A Message To "Rugby Supporters"
Z
Especially NZ supporters.
Please watch the crowds at the soccer world cup. Notice the singing, chanting
and general participation. Please emulate these superior crowds so NZ rugby
does not continue its reputation of the world's dullest crowds.
Z
Wild Colonial Boy
You've never been to a game in Lancaster Park have you?
WCB
Uncle Bully
Singing and chanting is a European thing, not a soccer thing.
This stems from a culture of singing for hundreds of years, especially in
the British Isles. Something that is not likely to change in NZ or Australia
overnight.
Since the SWC is in Korea and Japan I doubt whether many of the locals will
be singing either.
Greig Blanchett
You are a clueless twit. A large part of the terrace crowds in soccer
are not there for the game. In some ways, they're more like the
carpark crowd at Twickenham - there for the event. The general
participation you think is so good includes throwing things on the
field, screaming racial abuse at anybody you don't like, spitting at
players and officials, throwing coins at players, rioting, invading
the pitch, arranged fights with other gangs and more mindless
numbskullery than you'd find in a Waratahs board meeting. Of course,
this is because soccer is so ditch water dull that you've got to get
SOMETHING for your money - a scoreless draw is not exactly an exciting
day out, is it? If that's what you think rugby "needs" might I
politely suggest you fuck off. When I go to a game, I want to see the
game, not the crowd. Rugby is exciting enough without the sideshow
distractions.
Justin Mansfield
If the crowds are so dull, boring and quiet why did the Brumbies comment on
the crowd at Jade on Saturday night?
Believe it or not, some people actually go to the games to watch the rugby
rather than to show off their operatic skills.
But there are some events, like the HK Sevens and the Wellington Sevens
where the Kiwis get in to the singing and chanting because the rugby is not
as important.
Please watch the Sevens, plus games at the RWC99, places where rugby fans
from many different nationalities come together and in most cases sit
amongst each other. Notice how they all get along, even after a few beers,
notice how there aren't any fights? Notice how they're not ripping out the
seats and attacking each other? Now look at the crowds at Euro 2000, France
98, the Leeds game in Turkey, the Arsenal UEFA cup final, the scenes this
month after Feynoord won the UEFA Cup. Now which crowd would you rather sit
with?
Justin
Matt Neilson
"Justin Mansfield" <justin_m...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"violence" perpetrated on the rugby field dispels the violent urges of the
spectators where the relatively non-violent nature of a football match
results in a buildup of tension in the fans to the point of overflow - their
emotion and repressed (violent) tendencies must be expressed elsewhere!!
Cheers, Matt
Pete
Best post I have seen all week. I couldn't agree more.
Well said.
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Matua Moore
You should have been wiped on the curtain instead of being born
Your mother should have been shot for releasing you into the world
you fuking MORON.
FUCK YOU
Matua
Ian Daley
I suppose at a game where 80% of the results are draws, you need to do
something to keep yourself entertained.
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>
Sean Byrne
*yawn*
Exactly how many European football games have you been to Z?
Although I can see a person of your twisted intellect (or lack of it)
fitting in well at an Old Firm game...
Later
Sean
>
Kip
Understandable sentiment given NZRFU research that Auckland is
(relatively) the least supported union in the country.
Justin Mansfield
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> > Please watch the Sevens, plus games at the RWC99, places where rugby
fans
> > from many different nationalities come together and in most cases sit
> > amongst each other. Notice how they all get along, even after a few
beers,
> > notice how there aren't any fights? Notice how they're not ripping out
the
> > seats and attacking each other? Now look at the crowds at Euro 2000,
France
> > 98, the Leeds game in Turkey, the Arsenal UEFA cup final, the scenes
this
> > month after Feynoord won the UEFA Cup. Now which crowd would you rather
> > sit with?
> >
> This sums up my feelings pretty well too. I have always wondered whether
the
> "violence" perpetrated on the rugby field dispels the violent urges of the
> spectators where the relatively non-violent nature of a football match
> results in a buildup of tension in the fans to the point of overflow -
their
> emotion and repressed (violent) tendencies must be expressed elsewhere!!
I think it is more to do with i) the histories of the games; ii) upbringings
of the supporters.
i) Soccer in Europe and South America historically, and now Asia, Africa,
Middle East was a rallying point for communities, many of which suffered
through economics hardtimes and other hardships. Support for your local team
became supporting your area, your way of life, your family, your mates, your
life, and you. Ergo anyone who didn't support your team was anti all of the
above.
ii) Rugby was traditionally played/supported by the middle classes and
above. The same crowd you get at cricket games. You don't expect riots at
cricket games.
Of course there is the argument that soccer has just been hijacked by thugs
because it is the most popular sport and therefore gives them many more
targets of hate.
Justin
Mees Roelofs
>Now look at the crowds at Euro 2000, France
>98, the Leeds game in Turkey, the Arsenal UEFA cup final, the scenes this
>month after Feynoord won the UEFA Cup. Now which crowd would you rather sit
>with?
I have to say here that I visit the odd Feyenoord game, not because I
like the game, but because it has its charm to go there and sing the
hell out of your arse and to provide an atmosphere in the stadium that
intimidates the opponent, so that it both lifts the performance of the
home team and makes the opponent nervous.
That is what the huge majority of the crowd comes for, yet there is a
peculiar group, which is a group you won't hardly find in the stadium
itself, that comes to fight. Inexcusable of course, but one shouldn't
discredit those who provide this atmosphere out of sheer love for
their team, regardless of the location of the game.
On the other hand, with football being such a boring game, one has got
all the time in the World to start singing. Should they guys in De
Kuip be watching Rugby, they'd probably be silent due to the
breathtaking scenes on the pitch.
Finally, as for the scenes after the UEFA Cup victory, I understand
the police were largely to blame for the start of the riots. The Dutch
ME (riot police) are a bunch of volunteers, who volunteered mainly
because they like to beat people with sticks. From what I understand,
a minor incident involving a small group lead to police overreaction
and once the police actions were going, drunken idiots did the rest.
However, such analysis blaming the police (as was the case at the
previous Feyenoord celebration back in 1999) never make it to the
foreign press.
--
roelofs (at) f2s.com * http://pino.faithweb.com/rsru (features RSRU FAQ)
imanutta
it because we screwed the fuck out of you're cricket team?or is it because
we kicked the ass out of you're rugby team's,or is it because half of you're
rugby leauge club team's are filled with southern hemisphere player's?and do
i need to mention you're netball team.no wonder you pom's turn to soccer
because you're no fucking good at anything else{oh hold on}france are the
world champs,just like i thought the only thing the poms hold are there
dicks.no talent for sport's you lot.
J
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> Easy mate, surely your just a criminal from the uk, didnt we send all our
rejects to Australia. Its hardly surprising your countries reasonable at
sport, theres not much else to do in prison is there? Please correct me if
your wrong
A couple of points to suck on..
What is that on your countries flag? The union Jack?
Hang on, what language do you speak?
Ahh shove it up your arse while putting another Kanger on the Barbie
J (law abiding citzen of England who was never chucked out)
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J
Have you never been down to Dry Leas, home of the Henley Hawks, just
relegated to national 2. There you will find an almighty crowd that would
put a football world cup final to shame
Matt Neilson
mine added to the mix !
Cheers, MAtt
rick boyd
Perhaps we could try some rioting, some stadium-burning, some
shop-trashing, some police-car burning, some ball-bearing throwing and
some dart-throwing as well.
And as far as the singing goes, unless the crowd contains significant
numbers of Maori it is best not to encourage New Zealand rugby
followers to sing. Silence is by the better option.
-- rick boyd
Justin Mansfield
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> Have you never been down to Dry Leas, home of the Henley Hawks, just
> relegated to national 2. There you will find an almighty crowd that would
> put a football world cup final to shame
My mate Lee Hall plays for them, do you know him?
Justin
Jason Cormier
Bully" <wakeu...@optushome.com.au.remove> wrote:
> Singing and chanting is a European thing, not a soccer thing.
> This stems from a culture of singing for hundreds of years, especially in
> the British Isles. Something that is not likely to change in NZ or Australia
> overnight.
> Since the SWC is in Korea and Japan I doubt whether many of the locals will
> be singing either.
The japanese soccer fans have been doing it at national team and J-League
matches for a few years.
Jason Cormier
<C...@home.nz> wrote:
> Japan and Korea have each a team of 25,000 supporters who they have employed
> to
> barrack for the teams playing so any team without supporters will have them
> supplied by the hosts.
Have a link?
Richard Whitcombe
Also notice the mindless abuse being hurled at the opposition fans, the
racist chants and the indiscriminate violence. Something rugby could do
without.
Lord Ted
at some garbage being 'played' at the other end of the earth.
You might as well say that crowds at public floggings in the middle
east are more excited. In both cases, the event doesn't matter so,
therefore, neither does the crowd's behaviour or the opinions of sad,
lonely wankers like you.
Give the other hand a go.
Z wrote:
--
I'm convinced that the vast majority of wrong-thinking people are
right!
maso
"Richard Whitcombe" <Richard....@BTInternet.com> wrote in message
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Yes, that should be kept on the field.
Cheers,
maso
dougie
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> On Wed, 29 May 2002 07:01:58 +0000 (UTC), sp...@spoof.com (Z) wrote:
>
>>
>>Especially NZ supporters.
>>Please watch the crowds at the soccer world cup. Notice the singing,
>>chanting and general participation. Please emulate these superior
>>crowds so NZ rugby does not continue its reputation of the world's
>>dullest crowds.
>
> Perhaps we could try some rioting, some stadium-burning, some
> shop-trashing, some police-car burning, some ball-bearing throwing and
> some dart-throwing as well.
My fav is the golf ball with the nails hammered through it.
Z
Hrm, I know they sing at Cardiff (well, did) but is it a common occurrence at
European rugby games?
If so, I stand corrected
Z
Z
>the crowd at Jade on Saturday night?
It was more 'threatening' than 'entertaining'
>Believe it or not, some people actually go to the games to watch the rugby
>rather than to show off their operatic skills.
Sure but you can inspire your team by singing and chanting, as well as create a
proper 'event' atmosphere. Admit it, rugby crowds are dull and when I cheer I
often get shushed by the people sitting near me.
>But there are some events, like the HK Sevens and the Wellington Sevens
>where the Kiwis get in to the singing and chanting because the rugby is not
>as important.
Sevens is more important than S12
>Please watch the Sevens, plus games at the RWC99, places where rugby fans
>from many different nationalities come together and in most cases sit
>amongst each other. Notice how they all get along, even after a few beers,
>notice how there aren't any fights? Notice how they're not ripping out the
>seats and attacking each other? Now look at the crowds at Euro 2000, France
>98, the Leeds game in Turkey, the Arsenal UEFA cup final, the scenes this
>month after Feynoord won the UEFA Cup. Now which crowd would you rather sit
>with?
Well, I can't condone violence but soccer crowds are far more passionate and
fun.
Z
Z
>(relatively) the least supported union in the country.
I've never seen any other crowd doing the half-time shuffle as Auckland fans
used to do. We'd switch sides at halftime with the team because we knew that
Auckland would score at the other end now...
Z
Z
>racist chants and the indiscriminate violence. Something rugby could do
>without.
So we take the good, not the bad parts.
Z
Gary Thompson
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Geoff Muldoon
>>But there are some events, like the HK Sevens and the Wellington Sevens
>>where the Kiwis get in to the singing and chanting because the rugby is not
>>as important.
>
>Sevens is more important than S12
Auckland is winning in the 7's these days?
Bet you'd claim S12 was a great and important comp if the Blues had won
it.
GM
Wild Colonial Boy
>>Singing and chanting is a European thing, not a soccer thing.
>
>Hrm, I know they sing at Cardiff (well, did) but is it a common occurrence at
>European rugby games?
I was at Lansdowne Road in Dublin to see Ireland get beaten by the All
Blacks, whilst holding my "Todd Blackadder for Pope" sign. The Irish
fans sang "Fields of Athenry" and "You''ll never beat the Irish". Of
course the All Blacks did then beat the Irish but thats not the point.
>If so, I stand corrected
You are.
WCB
Wild Colonial Boy
>>If the crowds are so dull, boring and quiet why did the Brumbies comment on
>>the crowd at Jade on Saturday night?
>
>It was more 'threatening' than 'entertaining'
First you say build up a bit of hate to make it more fun and then you
imply that this -imagined by you cos you weren't there - behaviour on
the part of Canterbury fans is not good. For fucks sake Rape Camp Man
make your mind up.
>>Believe it or not, some people actually go to the games to watch the rugby
>>rather than to show off their operatic skills.
>
>Sure but you can inspire your team by singing and chanting, as well as create a
>proper 'event' atmosphere. Admit it, rugby crowds are dull and when I cheer I
>often get shushed by the people sitting near me.
Principally because you're a twat and even strangers at rugby games
pick this up.
>>But there are some events, like the HK Sevens and the Wellington Sevens
>>where the Kiwis get in to the singing and chanting because the rugby is not
>>as important.
>
>Sevens is more important than S12
Don't be ridiculous.
>>Please watch the Sevens, plus games at the RWC99, places where rugby fans
>>from many different nationalities come together and in most cases sit
>>amongst each other. Notice how they all get along, even after a few beers,
>>notice how there aren't any fights? Notice how they're not ripping out the
>>seats and attacking each other? Now look at the crowds at Euro 2000, France
>>98, the Leeds game in Turkey, the Arsenal UEFA cup final, the scenes this
>>month after Feynoord won the UEFA Cup. Now which crowd would you rather sit
>>with?
>
>Well, I can't condone violence but soccer crowds are far more passionate and
>fun.
But you condone Rape Camps in Bosnia? You're terminally confused
Zhivan.
WCB
Sean Byrne
And the battle of the half wits commences.
LAter
Sean
J
them.
Justin Mansfield
> > > Have you never been down to Dry Leas, home of the Henley Hawks, just
> > > relegated to national 2. There you will find an almighty crowd that
would
> > > put a football world cup final to shame
> >
> > My mate Lee Hall plays for them, do you know him?
> >
> > no, you sure hes not lying to you, many people would love to play for
> > them.
Righto. He's a hooker/prop from NZ, Nelson/Christchurch, played for
Rotherham and London Welsh before the Henley gig.
Justin
Myk Cameron
And because the other half of the ground was compltely empty...
Myk
Mike Gooding
Jeez, pimples itching real bad today, hey ?
nina
> Justin Mansfield schrijft:
>
> >Now look at the crowds at Euro 2000, France
> >98, the Leeds game in Turkey, the Arsenal UEFA cup final, the scenes this
> >month after Feynoord won the UEFA Cup. Now which crowd would you rather sit
> >with?
>
> I have to say here that I visit the odd Feyenoord game, not because I
> like the game, but because it has its charm to go there and sing the
> hell out of your arse and to provide an atmosphere in the stadium that
> intimidates the opponent, so that it both lifts the performance of the
> home team and makes the opponent nervous.
oh well, netherlands soccer..
i'll have to sing to this: "ohne holland fahrn wir zur wm...!"
but my favourite team in this world cup is definetly portugal. and italy
is going to get the cup..
nina(having roundballers in the family somehow corrupts your taste in
sports..)
nina
> > Especially NZ supporters.
> > Please watch the crowds at the soccer world cup. Notice the singing,
> > chanting
> > and general participation. Please emulate these superior crowds so NZ
> > rugby
> > does not continue its reputation of the world's dullest crowds.
>
> Singing and chanting is a European thing, not a soccer thing.
> This stems from a culture of singing for hundreds of years, especially in
> the British Isles. Something that is not likely to change in NZ or Australia
> overnight.
> Since the SWC is in Korea and Japan I doubt whether many of the locals will
> be singing either.
they've been goin crazy over the german team, esp jancker and kahn,
typical huns..
but i agree, doing laola and stuff is not very asian..
nina
Mees Roelofs
>oh well, netherlands soccer..
>
>i'll have to sing to this: "ohne holland fahrn wir zur wm...!"
You're definitely the first German telling me this German national
feel-good phrase. Really ;-)
Has Rudi Völler already sorted out that he has to field the entire
Leverkusen team? It will make them get second, which is a performance
the Germans would otherwise never ever make.
>but my favourite team in this world cup is definetly portugal. and italy
>is going to get the cup..
>
>nina(having roundballers in the family somehow corrupts your taste in
>sports..)
Entire football is "scheissegal" to me. I've only checked the fixture
list yesterday, so that I could pick the matches to watch in the pub
with a nice number of ex-pats and an early beer.
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nina
> nina schrijft:
>
> >oh well, netherlands soccer..
> >
> >i'll have to sing to this: "ohne holland fahrn wir zur wm...!"
>
> You're definitely the first German telling me this German national
> feel-good phrase. Really ;-)
;-)
> Has Rudi Völler already sorted out that he has to field the entire
> Leverkusen team? It will make them get second, which is a performance
> the Germans would otherwise never ever make.
rudi voellers hairstyle says it all: the german national team is stuck
in the past. but i don`t care..
> >but my favourite team in this world cup is definetly portugal. and italy
> >is going to get the cup..
> >
> >nina(having roundballers in the family somehow corrupts your taste in
> >sports..)
>
> Entire football is "scheissegal" to me. I've only checked the fixture
> list yesterday, so that I could pick the matches to watch in the pub
> with a nice number of ex-pats and an early beer.
dunno. even watched formel 1 and tennis in the past. there are worse
things than soccer on tv ;-)
i'll have pastel de nata at my favourite portoguese bar and some wine in
the evening, because after all: it's Summer!!
bye,
nina
"fatso"
played by girls with dicks. God knows haw they can say it is the greatest
show on earth. Just a bunch of poofters running around kissing each
other.....
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