returning Lions
Simon S-B
form of their Lions players is at the moment. IMO the English lads look
knackered, apart from those who have had some time off (see Shaw).
David F
The Leinster players have looked fairly fresh over the last few weeks.
No hangovers there.
William Clark
"Simon S-B" <bait...@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you see Heaslip, Ferris, O'Driscoll, Keraney, and D'Arcy these past
two weekends, to name but a few? Not much missing with them. I suspect
that the English malaise has more to do with them be shoehorned into the
MJ straightjacket after the freedom of the Lions open style.
Klitty
This tiredness bullshit is starting to grate. They are professional
players. Bored maybe, overpaid possibly, lazy probably. Tired? No. It's
starting to become a feature of certain posters that they blame
tiredness on every fuck up. O'Driscoll didn't look very tired to me.
Large Paddy
afternoon on the foreign field of Perpignan. They had a fine feed of
Frogs!
Mike Whooley
I think the Irish Lions had a good break. If anything, they looked a
bit rusty when they were first back, but are on fine form now. If the
Lions tour has any impact, I think it's more likely at season end.
Simon S-B
"Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Mitty's favourite phrase 'certain posters' - but it's the rest of us that
are aloof! The point of the post is to compare the performance vs the rest
they have had. The Irish lads were quite well rested and seem fine. The
English lads with sensible managers (eg Wasps players) seem fine. Those who
have not had a rest look shite. So you think that Croft and Mears are
overpaid and lazy as opposed to knackered and carrying niggles do you? You
think the SA side looked at full pace on it's tour do you?
If you'd ever played, you'd understand tired. The season has more than twice
the games that it had 15 years ago, and you think this makes no difference?
(sorry Brent)
David F
> "Klitty" <mitti...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hglqan$23i$2...@klitty.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > William Clark <wcla...@colnospamumbus.rr.com> writes:
>
> >> In article <hgkv3f$qq...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> "Simon S-B" <baitt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I'd be curious to hear from the Welsh and Irish lads how good they think
> >>> the
> >>> form of their Lions players is at the moment. IMO the English lads look
> >>> knackered, apart from those who have had some time off (see Shaw).
>
> >> Did you see Heaslip, Ferris, O'Driscoll, Keraney, and D'Arcy these past
> >> two weekends, to name but a few? Not much missing with them. I suspect
> >> that the English malaise has more to do with them be shoehorned into the
> >> MJ straightjacket after the freedom of the Lions open style.
>
> > This tiredness bullshit is starting to grate. They are professional
> > players. Bored maybe, overpaid possibly, lazy probably. Tired? No. It's
> > starting to become a feature of certain posters that they blame
> > tiredness on every fuck up. O'Driscoll didn't look very tired to me.
>
> Mitty's favourite phrase 'certain posters' - but it's the rest of us that
> are aloof! The point of the post is to compare the performance vs the rest
> they have had. The Irish lads were quite well rested and seem fine. The
> English lads with sensible managers (eg Wasps players) seem fine. Those who
> have not had a rest look shite. So you think that Croft and Mears are
> overpaid and lazy as opposed to knackered and carrying niggles do you? You
> think the SA side looked at full pace on it's tour do you?
>
> If you'd ever played, you'd understand tired. The season has more than twice
> the games that it had 15 years ago, and you think this makes no difference?
>
> (sorry Brent)
But 15 years ago (just!) the players had to hold down other jobs, and
weren't strictly speaking professional players. Fitness levels over
the last 15 years, medical advances etc. etc. ought to let them play a
lot more than before.
But I agree with your point - there's only so much you can work a
player; otherwise they'll get injured (more games, more chance), and
be subject to attritional injuries over the season.
Mark (newsgroups)
> William Clark <wcla...@colnospamumbus.rr.com> writes:
> > In article <hgkv3f$qq...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> >> I'd be curious to hear from the Welsh and Irish lads how good they think the
> >> form of their Lions players is at the moment. IMO the English lads look
> >> knackered, apart from those who have had some time off (see Shaw).
>
> > Did you see Heaslip, Ferris, O'Driscoll, Keraney, and D'Arcy these past
> > two weekends, to name but a few? Not much missing with them. I suspect
> > that the English malaise has more to do with them be shoehorned into the
> > MJ straightjacket after the freedom of the Lions open style.
>
> This tiredness bullshit is starting to grate. They are professional
> players. Bored maybe, overpaid possibly, lazy probably. Tired? No. It's
> starting to become a feature of certain posters that they blame
> tiredness on every fuck up. O'Driscoll didn't look very tired to me.
Tim Noakes, living in SA, would disagree with you. Not sure why you
would think players would be immune to fatigue by inserting the word
professional in front of their names.
Prof. Mark, immune to trolls since 09:51am.
Klitty
Of course there is only "so much". But this "tiredness" nonsense is
going on too much. If they're playing 3 or 4 games a week I could
understand it.
Klitty
It means all they do it train, eat good food and relax.
They do not, as in old days, also hold down a five day a week job and
train in their spare time.
>
> Prof. Mark, immune to trolls since 09:51am.
Ah yes, Disagree with the great Simon's edicts and one is a troll.
Look, most of the English players Simon mentions are simply lazy or
crap.
And yeah, that last line was 50% troll.
If they can't get "un knackered" for a crucial European game then they
should be fired.
didgerman
If it doesn't, then all sport's training as practised in this country is
based on a fallacy. And that's official.
>
> (sorry Brent)
didgerman
If they were playing 3-4 games a week we'd be watching unbearable stodge.
didgerman
Wrong, on many levels.
>
>
BrritSki
>
> If they can't get "un knackered" for a crucial European game then they
> should be fired.
>
mean they're knackered after 14 hour days and 6 day weeks
with no holidays ? If they can't get "un knackered" when
threatened with the sack then they will be fired. '
Klitty
Klitty
Another wonderful deep insightful post from Buttski shilling his mate
Simon.
Look : its bollox. The others seem fine. They are not knackered. A
trifle bored perhaps. They are not the same things. And if they are bored
they are in the wrong game or need a new Captain and coach.
didgerman
You mean the performance of other GP players in the same situation, or
players in a completely different league?
David K
Since the IRFU pay the wages (and not some VRO) the playing time of Irish
players is carefully monitored.
Each province is instructed when to rest players by the Irish management.
This might have something to do with the current form of Leinster & Munster
who seem to be kicking into top gear at the moment.
I also think Declan Kidney has a different approach to the players compared
to EO'S. Under the EO'S regime if Ireland played poorly the players were
forced to work even harder effectively digging a deeper hole. DK seems to
empower the players and make them take responsibility within the Ireland set
up.
David K
didgerman
And quel surprise, please refer to David K's post below, he puts it
better than me.
You need to compare like with like.
I've done a few summer seasons of hard work myself, and believe me,
September is really fucking horrible. I had people beating me in Sept'
that I'd put 4-5 minutes into in the last big race of August. If my life
depended on it I couldn't have gone faster. You can't just big yourself up.
I've also done a fair few hours in the classroom, with international
performance directors, and I'm about to help coach a national youth
development squad. They asked me to.....
Exactly how wrong do you think I am?
Neilsons
"didgerman" <didg...@rfu.com> wrote in message
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Didn't you watch England in the AI's this year?
Cheers, aMtt
didgerman
Yeah, kind of asked for that one didn't I.
>
> Cheers, aMtt
>
>
Simon S-B
"Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> BrritSki <aw...@nowhere.com> writes:
>
>> Klitty wrote:
>>>
>>> If they can't get "un knackered" for a crucial European game then they
>>> should be fired.
>>>
>> You'd have made a great Victorian mine-owner: 'What do they
>> mean they're knackered after 14 hour days and 6 day weeks
>> with no holidays ? If they can't get "un knackered" when
>> threatened with the sack then they will be fired. '
>
> Another wonderful deep insightful post from Buttski shilling his mate
> Simon.
>
And another post where Mitty has to claim collusions because he finds
himself arguing alone.
Simon S-B
"Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I suggest you look back at last years posts when I was complaining about
Bath playing 3 games in 8 days.
Simon S-B
"David K" <david_s...@crystal-engravers.com> wrote in message
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And the rest of us can see the benefits the Irish are reaping.
BrritSki
BrritSki
>
>
> "Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hgnm4q$3rh$3...@klitty.eternal-september.org...
>> BrritSki <aw...@nowhere.com> writes:
>>
>>> Klitty wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If they can't get "un knackered" for a crucial European game then they
>>>> should be fired.
>>>>
>>> You'd have made a great Victorian mine-owner: 'What do they
>>> mean they're knackered after 14 hour days and 6 day weeks
>>> with no holidays ? If they can't get "un knackered" when
>>> threatened with the sack then they will be fired. '
>>
>> Another wonderful deep insightful post from Buttski shilling his mate
>> Simon.
>>
>
> And another post where Mitty has to claim collusions because he finds
> himself arguing alone.
>
the other day, but what would he know ?
didgerman
Exactly, he's not even Scottish.....
didgerman
Your 'staff' will always work harder to prove themselves right. The
trick is to get them to make them think that what they're doing isn't
exactly what you wanted them to do, but their own better version of it.
Coaching one-0-one.
Simon S-B
"BrritSki" <aw...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps Walt could explain why heavyweights fight about twice a year, why
marathon runners do about 2 races a year etc. Somehow I doubt it though.
Simon S-B
"didgerman" <didg...@rfu.com> wrote in message
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Same when dealing with middle management.