The Human Factor
Klitty
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1057500/
This reminds me so much of that Comic Strip Presents episode, The
Strike, with Al Pacino playing Arthur Scargill ...
Matt Damon as Francois Pienaar.
"lol".
Uncle Dave
Jeez, when I saw something (here I think) about that I thought it was
a joke. It will be interesting to see Hollywood's take on rugby,
though one's first reaction is fear, Clint Eastwood's films as
director are a lot better nowadays than his earlier work. Morgan
Freeman has the gravitas for Mandela and Damon can at least act.
Might even go to see this one at the cinema rather than wait - that
would be the third time in 30 years!
UD
didgerman
Let me guess, Titanic and Mama Mia?
Chris Parslow
Not sure. Something about Mr Covey has me thinking Ken Loach or Lars
von Trier..
CP
Spizz
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Hmm, good calls. But what about the sing-a-long Sound of Music?
Spizz
didgerman
Nah, I can't watch Plummer without crying like a baby.
And I can't watch Titanic or Mama Mia, erm, at all.
>
> Spizz
Uncle Dave
Loach was a bit depressing for me, although yeah, he would fit.
Jarmusch, Wenders, some Burton, those sort of guys. Don't know von
Trier but thanks for the tip. I was lucky enough to work with a guy a
few years ago who had studied film at uni (which obviously qualified
him as an IT project manager) and he turned me on to a lot of good
stuff. I like to follow trails, so an interview with Neil Young where
he mentioned Jim Jarmusch led me to a box set of Jarmusch films (I was
working away from home with both money and time to spare) and Johnny
Depp in Dead Man on to Johnny Depp in Ed Wood and thence to a box set
of Ed Wood films and then on to more B Movies. Most Hollywood films
just lead you to the next format-following blockbuster which is OK but
hardly inspiring.
Abba the Movie was the first - Mrs UD a big Abba fan at the time and
it's actually pretty good. Calendar Girls (we were both at an agency
which gave its temps a free cinema ticket at the time), oh I forgot!
I went to see Wallace and Grommitt in Brussels. Maybe I should get a
season ticket?
UD
didgerman
I hate Neil Young, I really really do.
where
> he mentioned Jim Jarmusch led me to a box set of Jarmusch films (I was
> working away from home with both money and time to spare) and Johnny
> Depp in Dead Man on to Johnny Depp in Ed Wood and thence to a box set
> of Ed Wood films and then on to more B Movies. Most Hollywood films
> just lead you to the next format-following blockbuster which is OK but
> hardly inspiring.
>
> Abba the Movie was the first - Mrs UD a big Abba fan at the time and
> it's actually pretty good. Calendar Girls (we were both at an agency
> which gave its temps a free cinema ticket at the time), oh I forgot!
> I went to see Wallace and Grommitt in Brussels
Ah, redeemed! Welcome back brother.
Uncle Dave
>
> I hate Neil Young, I really really do.
Why? Because he's never stood still and always comes up with
something new? Because he pioneered things like sampling? Because
he was named in Mojo's Top Ten Best Guitarists of All Time list?
Because he's been cited as a major influence by just about everybody
who's been anybody in rock in recent times - Oasis, Radiohead, Nirvana
etc.? Could it be because he was the only major artist to actually
protest about the Iraq War? Or do you dislike the fact that his music
simply can't be pigeon-holed? Is it because he has consistently
refused to kow-tow to the expectations of record companies, fans, and
media alike in order to make the music he wanted to make? Did you not
like the fact that Bob Dylan made a pilgrimage to where His Neilness
grew up in order to see where he wrote his early songs? OK, I'll
grant you that his films aren't exactly brillians but you have to
admit that they are interesting. Did you not like the fact that Tom
Hanks said he got his inspiration for his Oscar winning performance in
"Philadelphia" from Young's song for the film? Oh I know, he pissed
you off by agreeing to at last headline Glastonbury this year when you
were looking forward to seeing WILL Young...
Neil Young is something of a hero of mine so be careful! I can't
understand how anyone could "really really" not like him as there is a
Neil Young to suit just about every musical taste. Or are you making
your judgement on a couple of songs you oce heard that you don't
like? Eh? Eh? What is it eh?
UD
northshoreguynz
OMG, I agree with the UD. Do I need to take anything?
Cheers
Stephen
Uncle Dave
Agreeing with me merely indicates that you aren't a total cultural
wasteland. It is something to be welcomed, not feared...
UD
Klitty
didgerman
Neil Young fans always get like this if you say you don't like him, why
is that? His voice just grates, his guitar style is forced, he's a
jumper on of bandwagons {his grunge 90's period?????} and his lyric
content is lightweight.
I hate Oasis, and hated Nirvana, but love Radiohead, where do I stand?
Klitty
You nailed him there Didge. I don't know anyone who actually plays his
music. Oh, they know of all his "achievements" but none actually listen.
Uncle Dave
Oh do leave it out. He's not known as the "Grandfather of Grunge"
because he copied them but because they copied him. FFS. Jeez. I
mean. He doesn't jump on bandwagons, he sets them rolling. Ayway,
it's obvious you've never actually listened to his stuff. I would be
happy to educate you. Drop me a line at freenet.de, not the one in my
profile 'cos that won't work.
UD
Uncle Dave
Two Dogs
How can you NOT like a line like
"Down by the river, I shot my Baby"? mmmm?
Two on record as a Neil Fan Dogs
Kev or lou
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UD
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Neil Young the Grandfather of Grunge - LOL good one. There sno way in hell
you can really believe that!!!
didgerman
Yeah, and only three years after Hey Joe was a hit.
didgerman
Actually I have, I've been through all this before, and I still don't
like his stuff on a personal level, or appreciate his achievements in
the world of music.
I would be
> happy to educate you. Drop me a line at freenet.de, not the one in my
> profile 'cos that won't work.
This is what happens: A, you're wrong for disliking Neil, B, the Neil
likers have to educate you. If someone doesn't like Radiohead/whoever,
fine, I leave them to rot. But not the Neil likers....
Ok, but I'm warning you, running up here is pretty grey and horrible at
the moment, any shit on my playlist will not be tolerated for long.....
>
> UD
Uncle Dave
>
> Neil Young the Grandfather of Grunge - LOL good one. There sno way in hell
> you can really believe that!!!
OK, Godfather. The term has been applied to His Neilness for many a
long year as you will see with a simple search at your favourite
search engine. I'm not a fan of grunge particularly, but as those
bands cited him as an influence and they all sound terribly like him
I'm happy to accept it. Cobain quoting Young in his suicide note
might not have been an accident either. Pearl Jam recording and
touring as his backing band in 1995 might indicate some influence.
Have you ever actually listened to Neil Young?!
Here he is with Pearl Jam and one of my favourite NY songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTTsyk-pyd8&feature=related.
Thank you for sending me off in search of evidence because I found a
few gems on YouTube:
With The Boss - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUSj164pwEM&feature=related
There are some interesting covers on there too:
Pearl Jam with another Young Classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIaQrRM0Uww&feature=related
Oasis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dj0I-tozU
Smashing Pumpkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koBNG5BZkPQ
I've never really listened to Radiohead, but they seem to be obsessed
with the guy - loads of covers from them. I might give them a go now.
I could go on, but you probably get the picture. OK, they're not all
grunge artists but mostly of that generation and surely you must
believe Wikipedia?! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_honorific_titles_in_popular_music
UD
Uncle Dave
> On Dec 16, 9:10 am, "Kev or lou" <lp005a4...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Neil Young the Grandfather of Grunge - LOL good one. There sno way in hell
> > you can really believe that!!!
>
> OK, Godfather. The term has been applied to His Neilness for many a
> long year as you will see with a simple search at your favourite
> search engine. I'm not a fan of grunge particularly, but as those
> bands cited him as an influence and they all sound terribly like him
> I'm happy to accept it. Cobain quoting Young in his suicide note
> might not have been an accident either. Pearl Jam recording and
> touring as his backing band in 1995 might indicate some influence.
> Have you ever actually listened to Neil Young?!
>
>
> Thank you for sending me off in search of evidence because I found a
> few gems on YouTube:
>
> With The Boss -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUSj164pwEM&feature=related
Oops - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3goJ6YUjE70. Mind you "Levee"
is one of my favourite Zep tracks and that's pretty good too isn't it?
UD
Uncle Dave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-26tblpzL8
UD
Kev or lou
Oasis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dj0I-tozU
Smashing Pumpkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koBNG5BZkPQ
UD
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None of them, bar Pearl Jam, are grunge. And you can even argue against
that!! Pop is more like it hehe
Lots of people use young as an influence yeah fine just as they use
numerous artists as influences, (even oasis - does that make him the
godfather of Manc Wank? no.) but grandfather(or godfather) of grunge he is
not.
I think I'm right in thinking Freedom and Ragged Glory are cited as
catalysts (neither of which, imo, can be classed as grunge when you listen
to them but are often sited as influences)
Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNj7ZyZy7cw
written and recorded before both those , and way more grunge than anything
he ever wrote. And anyway there were numerous underground, non commercial
bands in the seattle area playing this sort of music even before that. The
Lead of Green River (early 80's) Mark Arm and then Mudhoney is credited as
the first person to use the term grunge in the early 80's.What makes me
laugh is people often say Rust Never Sleeps influenced the genre but shit
listening to it is a depressing mindfuck, no wonder Kobain topped himself
:P
Ultimately it's a pointless definition that's attributed to him, amongst
others, because that's what silly people do.
Kev or lou
going for the album OK Computer first - imo, one of the best albums EVER .
Seriously, it;s brilliant.
didgerman
Actually I think those guys are getting better: There There {the track}
and Weird Fishes being two recent stand-outs.
Klitty
> "Uncle Dave" <david...@t-online.de> wrote in message
> news:603f3907-c6f7-4897...@r1g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 9:10 am, "Kev or lou" <lp005a4...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Neil Young the Grandfather of Grunge - LOL good one. There sno way in hell
>> you can really believe that!!!
>
> OK, Godfather. The term has been applied to His Neilness for many a
> long year as you will see with a simple search at your favourite
> search engine. I'm not a fan of grunge particularly, but as those
> bands cited him as an influence and they all sound terribly like him
> I'm happy to accept it. Cobain quoting Young in his suicide note
> might not have been an accident either. Pearl Jam recording and
> touring as his backing band in 1995 might indicate some influence.
> Have you ever actually listened to Neil Young?!
>
Kev, or Lou, why don't you ask the other how to indent a reply like the
other 99.999999999999999% of usenet users manage and have managed for
the past 30 years? It's not hard. Ask mg if you get stuck.
You see, YOU did not say the above. Yet it reads like you did.
Kev or lou
"Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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No it doesn't, and anyway mozilla broke on me, and for some reason outlook
express doesnt do it anymore (it used to) . Please feel free to tell me
what setting and where and I'll do it, but I really can not be arsed to
waste time on trying to find that out myself when its bleedin bloody obvious
that adding: ------------------------- means a new reply.
So tough tits klitface
ps. I think your 99.999999999999999% statistic is a tad optimistic. I see
people using the ------------------ line alot because their browser
thingymajig doesn't do it.
Kev or lou
"Kev or lou" <lp005...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Wow it's doing it now. Whats that all about?
Klitty
> "Klitty" <mitt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hgddnv$9ud$1...@klitty.eternal-september.org...
>> "Kev or lou" <lp005...@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> "Uncle Dave" <david...@t-online.de> wrote in message
>>> news:603f3907-c6f7-4897...@r1g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Dec 16, 9:10 am, "Kev or lou" <lp005a4...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Neil Young the Grandfather of Grunge - LOL good one. There sno way in
>>>> hell
>>>> you can really believe that!!!
>>>
>>> OK, Godfather. The term has been applied to His Neilness for many a
>>> long year as you will see with a simple search at your favourite
>>> search engine. I'm not a fan of grunge particularly, but as those
>>> bands cited him as an influence and they all sound terribly like him
>>> I'm happy to accept it. Cobain quoting Young in his suicide note
>>> might not have been an accident either. Pearl Jam recording and
>>> touring as his backing band in 1995 might indicate some influence.
>>> Have you ever actually listened to Neil Young?!
>>>
>>
>> Kev, or Lou, why don't you ask the other how to indent a reply like the
>> other 99.999999999999999% of usenet users manage and have managed for
>> the past 30 years? It's not hard. Ask mg if you get stuck.
>>
>> You see, YOU did not say the above. Yet it reads like you did.
>>
>
> No it doesn't
Pantomine mode I see ...
Oh yes it does!
Since Dave's reply is not indented and aligns with your name.
It's really not rocket science. And why people indent and quote the text
they are replying to. Try it. You don't need to reinvent the wheel you
know :-,
> , and anyway mozilla broke on me, and for some reason
> outlook
Yeah but, no but and Sharon she's a slut see and showed Kevin her tits
behind the bicycle sheds and I so would not see.
(c) Little Britain.
Which also had a Lou.
Klitty
I blame UD.
Kev or lou
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What a strange little man you are
Klitty
Well done strange little men. Kev or Lou. I'm not sure. You now managed
to indent properly on reply!
The last para from me is a skit on a skit based on you blaming everyone
but yourself. Didge will get it. UD won't as he will pretend not to
watch such garbage :-;
didgerman
Computer says no.
Richard Bridgman
Self-indulgent, whiny shite IMO.
Try Pablo Honey instead. 1st album (as Radiohead)...before Thom Yorke
became even more pretentious.
Richard Bridgman
Klitty
All "popular" music is self indulgent whiny shite.
Want beauty? Listen to Aerial. Now there is heaven on disk.
Klitty
Lou : So Kev, you like your indentation like this do you? Are you sure?
Kev : Yeah.
Lou : You do know its not standard and Klitty will get on your tits? Yeah?
Kev : Yeah, I know.
Lou : ok then, I'll just save the new set up. There you go ... What a
kuffuffle!
Kev <after pause> : I don't like them settings. I wanna indent like the
others.
... etc.
signing off and still giggling at the "what a kuffuffle" bit ....
Uncle Dave
>
> Ultimately it's a pointless definition that's attributed to him, amongst
> others, because that's what silly people do.
Well, it's a pointless argument actually and one which I want no part
of. I was merely pointing out that there is more to Neil Young than
most people realise because htey have only listened to one particular
"phase".
UD
Kev or lou
UD
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Bah, and after all the effort I went to to, is that it? You dissapoint me
UD.
(And yes, apart from disagreeing about that 'phase', oh, and the liking him
part I think I was pretty clear that I agree that Young is and has been
quite an influential artist too many many people and bands, that much cannot
be denied)
Kev or lou
No idea. Though it seems quite clear that replying to some people, like you,
creates indents (must be your pedantic telepathic computer nerdiness
transmitting through the ether[net]), whilst others like UD doesnt.
Kev or lou
its kerfuffle you pedantic whining little man!!!!
Kev or lou
"Richard Bridgman" <rhb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Self-indulgent, whiny shite IMO.
Richard Bridgman
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Who cares if it's self-indulgent whiny shit, its still fucking brilliant.
I must admit though, it does take some listening, atleast for me it did, to
get used to his singing style. The music however, can't be denied.
Uncle Dave
> "Uncle Dave" <davidco...@t-online.de> wrote in message
Don't be denied.
UD
Uncle Dave
Kev or lou
Don't be denied.
UD
------------------------------------------------denied. fail?
Kev or lou
http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/neilyoung/
UD
-------------------------------- is this it? cmon
Kev or lou
But nZy
Spigglyyy doo daaa
its as relevant
Klitty
One of the great wonders of the world ....