sports drinks and tooth erosion
kate
down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At
present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to
avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up
during 2 hour sculling outings?
Least acidic of the sports drinks?
Alternatives?
Carl
Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't
work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just
fine without such stuff.
Carl
anto...@aol.com
Further more, many supposed sports drinks play awful tricks with
Insulin production and reduce performance instead of increase it. There
is evidence to suggest that these drinks can lead to sport induced
diabietes.
Water, and a balanced diet unless the weather is exceptional and then
go to the chemist and buy electrolytes for kids with dodgy stomachs.
Andrew
> > Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't
> > work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just
> > fine without such stuff.
> >
> > Carl
>
> Further more, many supposed sports drinks play awful tricks with
> Insulin production and reduce performance instead of increase it. There
> is evidence to suggest that these drinks can lead to sport induced
> diabietes.
>
> Water, and a balanced diet unless the weather is exceptional and then
> go to the chemist and buy electrolytes for kids with dodgy stomachs.
I was amused to discover that the ARA's favourite sports drink contains
as good as identical contents as bog standard squash. Makes won wonder
why people pay more.
Andrew
donal...@gmail.com
Try water and a banana!!
Alternatively a pal of mine did the marathon d sai(spelling?) in the
Sahara and the winning Algerians the year he did it had the following
diet.
Honey
A bag of rice filled with cold water. They drank the starchy water -
the stuff we are normally encouraged to throw away.
As I read it there is your fast fuel your slow fuel and your water all
in a cheap and envirionmentally friendly package.
Honey never goes off and I suspect you can keep on adding water to the
rice for quite sometime before you lose the starchy effect.
Alternatively put it in some fancy packaging and charge a fortune for
it?
Donal
Pete
> My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut
> down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At
> present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
> ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to
> avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up
> during 2 hour sculling outings?
You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as you do;
long hard outings only. Water's fine most of the time. When you do
drink something sugary, have a glass of water when you get in
afterwards. Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry
as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not
instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or
drinking loads of it causes holes.
Pete
Ewoud Dronkert
> kate wrote:
>> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
>> ergs or water sessions.
>
> as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not
> instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or
> drinking loads of it causes holes.
Ahem.
--
E. Dronkert
KC
> kate wrote:
> > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut
> > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At
> > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
I don't know what Squash or Lucozade is, but 2L of any sports drink per
day is REALLY excessive. In the states we have Gatorade and the like.
Way too sweet, although the electrolyte replacement is important. Try
diluting your sports drink with an equal amount of water. Actually I
usually use a mix of 2/3 water, 1/3 sports drink or 100% fruit juice.
snip
Carl wrote:
>
> Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't
> work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just
> fine without such stuff.
>
> Carl
While I agree that the advertisers have gone overboard, there is plenty
of scientific literature that supports the idea that the human
metabolism works much BETTER with electrolyte replacement drinks. The
human metabolism was not designed to train at the level that
elite/olympic rowing hopefuls train. For very long workouts, nutrition
is critical. Water alone won't cut it, and while water plus a snack
like a banana provide most of what you need, sports drinks provide
faster/better delivery generally.
The African marathoners with rice water & honey is an interesting
story. My exercise nutrition prof told a story that the sports drink
was invented/discovered by a M.D. working as a missionary in India. He
began using the water from boiled potatos for treating malnutritioned
and dehydrated patients, and was amazed at the results. Add some salts
and sugars, and you've got potato-flavored Gatorade! ;-)
Someone else mentioned drinks for children with gastro-intestinal
ilnesses. That's called Pedialyte here in the US, and it's basically a
toned-down version of Gatorade, too.
Dole or Chiquita had an ad campain here a while back that said the
banana was quite possibly Nature's most perfect food. Not far off from
the truth, really. I'd say a banana and some diluted sports drink
would be a good combo to bring with you for long aerobic outings.
-Kieran
donal...@gmail.com
a typical squash will have 125 calories per half pint. Id rather have
something a bit tastier for my calories!!
KC
KC wrote:
> > kate wrote:
> > > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut
> > > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At
> > > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
>
> I don't know what Squash or Lucozade is, but 2L of any sports drink per
> day is REALLY excessive. In the states we have Gatorade and the like.
If this is what you mean by "squash"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(drink)
then it sounds like nothing more than sugar water, and if you're
concerned about your teeth, I'd say eliminate that 100% from your diet.
2 L/day of any sugary drink is way too much.
>From their website, it appears that Lucozade Sport is like Gatorade,
and although I couldn't find nutrition facts, I assume it provides
electrolyte replacement. Lucozade Energy is just fruit flavored sugar
water with caffeine, and I wouldn't recommend it for aiding your
exercise nutrition and hydration.
Again, try a mix of at least 50% water with at most 50% Lucozade Sport,
with some fruit like bananas as a solid snack.
-Kieran
donal...@gmail.com
KC
I think it's a neat idea, but kind of labor intensive when in modern
western countries a sports drink is just a few coins in a vending
machine away... ;-)
I still can't believe the OP was/is drinking 2L/day of sugary soft
drinks. No wonder the dentist was concerned!
-Kieran
David Biddulph
news:1160664022.0...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Interestingly, Coca-Cola have just announced yesterday a new drink which
they reckon actually burns calories, rather than providing extra calories:
http://www2.coca-cola.com/presscenter/nr_20061011_americas_enviga.html
--
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Rowing web pages at
http://www.biddulph.org.uk/
anto...@aol.com
Interesting
Except that the THREE cans required to burn 50-100 calories will almost
certainly get you testing positive in a drug test.
It often forgotten that caffein in excessive quantities is considered a
performance enhancing drug and as such will be tested for in a urine
test and you would receive some sort of sanction.
KC
David Biddulph wrote:
>
> Interestingly, Coca-Cola have just announced yesterday a new drink which
> they reckon actually burns calories, rather than providing extra calories:
> http://www2.coca-cola.com/presscenter/nr_20061011_americas_enviga.html
> --
LOL... "Break-through science" right... take a zero (or near zero)
calorie drink like tea or coffee, which also have caffeine, and you've
got a "calorie burning" beverage. Big deal. Caffeine increases one's
metabolism temporarily. This is not news.
-KC
Rob Collings
anto...@aol.com wrote:
> Except that the THREE cans required to burn 50-100 calories will almost
> certainly get you testing positive in a drug test.
No it won't.
> It often forgotten that caffein in excessive quantities is considered a
> performance enhancing drug and as such will be tested for in a urine
> test and you would receive some sort of sanction.
It may be performance enhancing, however it is not on WADA's prohibited
list and therefore high levels cannot result in an adverse finding
against an athlete and therefore no sanction. It was moved from the
prohibited list to the monitoring program several years ago.
All the info is at:
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2
All athletes and coaches at any significant performance level should
really be reading the changes each year to make sure that they don't
get caught out. They are published several months in advance.
Rob.
anto...@aol.com
Assuming they are still coaching
It was there when I was there not so long ago. I stand corrected.
Pete
> > You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as
> > you do; long hard outings only.
your point?
Pete
Ewoud Dronkert
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>> On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote:
>>> kate wrote:
>>>> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
>>>> ergs or water sessions.
>>>
>>> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry
>>> as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not
>>> instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or
>>> drinking loads of it causes holes.
>>
>> Ahem.
>
Your use of "you" suggested to me that you meant her specifically. And
in her case, there is definitely something unusual going on.
--
E. Dronkert
KC
Especially note this dichotomy:
> >>> kate wrote:
> >>>> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day,
followed up by,
> >> On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote:
> >>> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry
(snip)
> >>> drinking loads of it causes holes.
So I guess Pete doesn't think 2L/day constitutes "loads".
;-)
-Kieran
Jacko
during exercise, but after.
Most people know it's got loads of calcium but what they don't tend to
know is:
- it's fantastic at rehydration - apparently as good as isotonic drinks
- it contains carbohydrate in the form of lactose (but there are
lactose-free versions if you are intolerant).
- it's got loads of nutrients and minerals other than calcium - niacin,
iodine, magnesium, phosphorous, thiamin and zinc, as well as good
levels of protein (around 3.5% I think)
- whole milk is less than 4% fat, semi skim less than 2%.
AND if you're worried about teeth, it's one of only two drinks dentists
recommend between meals (the other is water) - I believe because of the
phosphorous in it.
What's more, I can't speak for the men but the GB women's squad must
know about it because they drink Slim-Fast straight after weight
training, and that's milk-based!
So buy a pint on the way home after training cos it's cheap too....
Ewoud Dronkert
> So buy a pint on the way home after training
I like it.
--
E. Dronkert
Pete
I said, like everyone else has, that 2L a day is too much, which is why
I put that quote back, which you're removed again. Point being that
while 2L a day is too much, you shouldn't worry about having an
occasional energy drink (like, say, on a race day).
Pete
donal...@gmail.com
After all you've seen written do you feel that you have received any
useful advice. Im a little concerned that the tone of some the posts is
not necessarily helpful when you have just asked a sensible question
and it appears to me that you may have simply been guided into a course
of action (ie having a high volume of "high energy" drink) through
either
1/coaching
2/advertising
3/or simply that that is what all your peers are doing.
Would you like to write again?
Regards
Donal
S M
Back in my day juniors were told to "Squirt the stuff to the back of
your mouth and swallow it without it touching your teeth." Not so easy
in practise and no idea how effective this method is but at least the
CCJ was aware of the problem and it might help.
Justus J.
Justus
Sarah F
Pete wrote:
>
> You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as you do;
> long hard outings only. Water's fine most of the time. When you do
> drink something sugary, have a glass of water when you get in
> afterwards. Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry
> as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not
> instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or
> drinking loads of it causes holes.
>
> Pete
I think it really depends what sort of level of training the person is
doing to be completely honest. Last year I was training as a
lightweight with a fairly heavy training schedule. Yes, I was one of
the *lucky* lightweights in that I didn't have to diet... but by being
too light it meant that I needed to get the calories in every way I
could, to stop be losing even more weight. Added to this was the stress
levels (mainly club administration issues, rather than performance
stress) that I was under making my stomach tie itself in knots and not
want to take solids. I was drinking 1l of lucozade each and every
training session to make sure that I got my calories, and on 5 days a
week when we had 2 training sessions, that would account for 2l...
You should be ok with this amount of lucozade in terms of teeth so long
as you remember to brush as soon as you get back off the water etc...
its the other ingredients that I'm not too happy with - its FULL of
artificial sweeteners etc... which is the reason why I don't drink it
very often anymore! (added to lack of training that I'm currently
doing). Having said that, most of the other sports drinks have this
issue too.
Someone else made a comment about restricting it to competition days.
That's something I wouldn't advise... its best not to have food/drink
that you're not used to in these situations, incase it has a funny
effect.
Sarah
Carl
If you're already meeting your full metabolic needs, why do you need to
try to add weight by exceeding those needs?
What does that added weight do for you? If it is not muscle, it does
not make you go faster.
I'd suppose that an excessive intake (as compared to your bodily needs)
gives your digestive system more work to do for no net benefit. If not
laid down as fat reserves, or converted into other body structures, & it
doesn't increase your work output, it must simply pass through. That
does not appear to help in any way - in fact, might it not in the end
have a metabolic, or other, downside in the long term?
I hope those more expert than me in this area will expand on this, or
correct me.
Cheers -
Carl
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Sarah F
Carl wrote:
> >
>
> If you're already meeting your full metabolic needs, why do you need to
> try to add weight by exceeding those needs?
I'm assuming that you refer to my post with this comment. The point I
was making was that I was finding it difficult to meet my full
metabolic needs without the sports drink...
>
> What does that added weight do for you? If it is not muscle, it does
> not make you go faster.
Correct, and I am always the first to agree that there's no reason to
be heavier if its not lean weight. BUT at 55kg I think I could have
done with a little more bodyfat - I am 5'8" afterall. Conversely being
a bit heavier would have hopefully kept me a bit healthier, and
therefore improved my performance.
As I pointed out, we don't actually know the sort of training that Kate
is undertaking and how her calorie intake relates to her energy output!
Sarah
Carl
Sarah -
I was responding to what you said.
I don't know by what measure you gauge your full metabolic needs.
However, I am more than pleased that you see no virtue in lightness per se.
One of the great things about humans is our variety, included in which
is that we come in all shapes & sizes. We agree that extra weight is
not a contributor to greater performance, but every rower knows about
bouts of illness. Unfortunately, I can't usefully comment on whether
extra fat would make you healthier but if, as I suspect, your metabolism
is going to ignore your wishes & keep you as you are, then just be proud
& enjoy it. Oh, yes, & do show everyone else how fast you can move a
boat with those long, lean levers.
JY
latest sponsor for the UK Indoor rowing Championships. A sportsdrink
called Taut.
Now call me a cynical old fart, but flogging watered down fruit juice
with extra sugar in as something that is good for you is pushing the
Trades Description Act. And one with extra salt in as extra good for
you!!! I hate to repeat their marketing BS, but the bit that really got
me was: "Because it's 'clean', it's great for kids too". I'm not aware
of that many kids who train so hard as to need "sports" drinks, so
drinking sugar loaded drink that will rot your teeth and make you
obese, is GREAT FOR KIDS??
Perhaps this kind of marketing is not quite as bad as flogging alcohol
& fags to kids, but I rate it alongside Macdonalds. How long before
MacDonalds sell sports drinks alongside their Big Macs becuase its
makes their 'meal' appear more healthy? Or do they already? (I don't do
that often).
I am not really surprised that the likes of SMP & Concept2 lend their
names to this sort of thing, but I would like to see some sort of
research on what circumstances consumption of these products result in
real training benefit and contrast that with the number of instances
where their use just results in the take up of un-neccessary calories.