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Henry Law
May 27, 2013, 7:11:14 AM5/27/13
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All the faults of the gym rower in one amusing video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WB79jSPwU
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Henry Law Manchester, England
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WB79jSPwU
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Henry Law Manchester, England
SingleMinded
May 27, 2013, 8:39:08 AM5/27/13
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(And yes, I have seen that in my parents' local gym).
Henry Law
May 27, 2013, 9:46:50 AM5/27/13
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On 27/05/13 13:39, SingleMinded wrote:
> On Monday, 27 May 2013 12:11:14 UTC+1, Henry Law wrote:
>> All the faults of the gym rower in one amusing video!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WB79jSPwU
>>
>
> On Monday, 27 May 2013 12:11:14 UTC+1, Henry Law wrote:
>> All the faults of the gym rower in one amusing video!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86WB79jSPwU
>>
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> Not all. None of them were gripping the handle underhand and doing curls with it.
OK, you win. And the machines weren't all set on 10 either.
John Greenly
May 27, 2013, 7:57:35 PM5/27/13
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On Monday, May 27, 2013 9:46:50 AM UTC-4, Henry Law wrote:
> OK, you win. And the machines weren't all set on 10 either.
Hilarious! and if they were set on 10, that second girl is incredibly strong!
> OK, you win. And the machines weren't all set on 10 either.
Cheers
John G
Henry Law
May 28, 2013, 6:55:16 AM5/28/13
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This morning in the gym I go to I saw a young woman doing a more than
adequate "plank" from feet to elbows, holding it for quite some time,
and simultaneously holding her phone in both hands and sending a text.
adequate "plank" from feet to elbows, holding it for quite some time,
and simultaneously holding her phone in both hands and sending a text.
johnf...@gmail.com
May 28, 2013, 7:29:30 AM5/28/13
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On Monday, May 27, 2013 9:46:50 AM UTC-4, Henry Law wrote:
>And the machines weren't all set on 10 either.
> Henry Law Manchester, England
If you look at the beginning of the clip you can see that none of them were set on 10. What a bunch of fakers!!! REAL gym rowers would have had them at 10!
Without fail every time I go to the gym every C2 there has been left at 10. People come in, bash away at the rower for about 10 minutes, and then wander off to do their lifting.
Peter Ford
May 30, 2013, 6:43:09 AM5/30/13
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Peter
johnf...@gmail.com
Jun 13, 2013, 12:54:11 PM6/13/13
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So today I went to the YMCA for a weight training session. While warming up on an elliptical machine, I saw one of the personal trainers working with a client on the ergs. She had the client rowing with back upright, no backswing whatsoever, legs and arms only, miniscule stroke length, with the inevitable curved path of the handle over the upraised knees on the recovery. Drag set at 10 of course, and at the end they switched hands to underneath the handle.
Now the fitness area manager told me years ago not to say anything to people doing bizarre things on the ergs, and I haven't. But seeing a newbie being TAUGHT bad form was just too much. So later I spoke with that trainer alone, and she said she had been instructed to tell people to keep their backs straight (correct), which somehow morphed into not moving the back at all. Given the easy availability of erging videos on the C2 site, this is crazy. I think of using the erg as somewhat analogous to lifting a barbell from the floor (except that erging is done in a horizontal rather than a vertical direction). No weight room trainer would teach people to lift a barbell by squatting down, holding their back horizontal, and driving with their legs and pulling in their arms without moving their back. A correct lift would involve a sequenced employment of legs to get it started, then adding in back and finally arms.
I also spoke with the head of that YMCA, who seemed to "get" it and suggested that he add a how-to-erg module to the next monthly meeting of the personal trainers.
I donated those ergs to the Y a few years ago because I couldn't stand seeing the miserable rusty old ergs they had. I've gotten used to seeing all sorts of peculiar antics on the ergs, but a trainer teaching that stuff was just too much.
Now the fitness area manager told me years ago not to say anything to people doing bizarre things on the ergs, and I haven't. But seeing a newbie being TAUGHT bad form was just too much. So later I spoke with that trainer alone, and she said she had been instructed to tell people to keep their backs straight (correct), which somehow morphed into not moving the back at all. Given the easy availability of erging videos on the C2 site, this is crazy. I think of using the erg as somewhat analogous to lifting a barbell from the floor (except that erging is done in a horizontal rather than a vertical direction). No weight room trainer would teach people to lift a barbell by squatting down, holding their back horizontal, and driving with their legs and pulling in their arms without moving their back. A correct lift would involve a sequenced employment of legs to get it started, then adding in back and finally arms.
I also spoke with the head of that YMCA, who seemed to "get" it and suggested that he add a how-to-erg module to the next monthly meeting of the personal trainers.
I donated those ergs to the Y a few years ago because I couldn't stand seeing the miserable rusty old ergs they had. I've gotten used to seeing all sorts of peculiar antics on the ergs, but a trainer teaching that stuff was just too much.
johnf...@gmail.com
Jun 14, 2013, 8:50:17 AM6/14/13
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Charles Carroll
Jun 14, 2013, 1:39:42 PM6/14/13
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John,
Why build an erg and not include a video instructing you on good technique?
Or if the cost of a DVD is prohibited, why not include a link to a Website
on the invoice? ¬Shipping an erg in this day and age without instructions on
how to use it properly makes no sense to me.
Charles
Why build an erg and not include a video instructing you on good technique?
Or if the cost of a DVD is prohibited, why not include a link to a Website
on the invoice? ¬Shipping an erg in this day and age without instructions on
how to use it properly makes no sense to me.
Charles
bloom...@gmail.com
Jun 14, 2013, 4:29:04 PM6/14/13
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Charles,
All new C2 rowers come with a DVD. Most gyms choose to ignore it.
The thing that flabbergasts me is how gym employees are quick to correct improper form on weights or the treadmill, but promote it on rowing machines. You don't walk backward on a treadmill FFS!
All new C2 rowers come with a DVD. Most gyms choose to ignore it.
The thing that flabbergasts me is how gym employees are quick to correct improper form on weights or the treadmill, but promote it on rowing machines. You don't walk backward on a treadmill FFS!
johnf...@gmail.com
Jun 14, 2013, 5:38:23 PM6/14/13
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The ergs shipped with DVD's included, plus I got extra copies for free which I gave to the Y as well.
Furthermore, useful video clips are now posted on the C2 website:
http://www.concept2cts.com/training/learn.asp
(Another section even shows muscle groups used:
http://www.concept2cts.com/training/muscles_used.asp )
There is also a how-to-row section built into the software of the PM3 Monitor that is on the machine, complete with an animated display of proper technique.
I'm not sure what more C2 could do???
John
Charles Carroll
Jun 14, 2013, 10:51:39 PM6/14/13
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John & Paul,
Remember Dorthy Parker’s famous play on words? “You can lead a horticulture
but you can’t make her think.”
Years ago, many years ago, I had a friend whose sweetheart left him. He was
a blubbery guy, one of those softies who cinched his belt tight so that his
soft stomach simultaneously showed over it and under it.
Anyway, he went to one of the serious gyms in San Rafael to get fit and
discovered to his and everyone else’s surprise that underneath all this
smooth tissue was a mesomorph trying to break free. In three months he was
huge and ripped. Every time he went to the gym he just got stronger, and
leaner, and more muscular.
So of course, this being California, enormous pressure was put on him to
enter a local bodybuilding contest, which eventually he did.
So he is working out, working really hard trying to sculpt his body. And we’re
talking after one of his workouts and he tells me that he has been using a
new machine. Yep, a C2, probably a model A or B, and what a terrific job the
machine was doing with his lats.
He said he loaded the machine “full up.” In retrospect I suspect he meant
that he had set the machine to 10. So by “full up” he must have meant the
highest Drag Factor possible. He said he would hit the machine for 45
minutes to an hour at the end of a work out.
At the time I had no idea what he was talking about, and almost no curiosity
to find out.
A few years later my nephew and a friend of his, both from LA, were in town
on a project. The friend turned out to be a Southern California bodybuilder
deeply imbued with the culture and with deep knowledge of it. I told him the
story of my first friend and he just laughed.
“You don’t get huge on a Concept2,” he said. “It’s an aerobic machine. It’s
for endurance. You burn calories on it. You lose weight. You improve cardio.
But you don’t build muscle mass on it. A real bodybuilder doesn’t get
anywhere near an erg, unless he is trying to lose smooth tissue. Even then
he is really careful not to use it too much. It’s guaranteed to make you
lose mass. Nobody who works in a gym knows how to use a C2. What’s more if
you don’t know how to use them correctly, you can really hurt yourself.”
By this time I had my own, a model C, and agreed with him. Ironically, and I
have to add this to the story, a few months later I would hurt myself on
mine. But that was 15 years ago, and we didn’t have all the resources that
are now available to us. It is a pity to insist on staying ignorant when
there is so much light shed all around us.
Cordially,
Charles
Remember Dorthy Parker’s famous play on words? “You can lead a horticulture
but you can’t make her think.”
Years ago, many years ago, I had a friend whose sweetheart left him. He was
a blubbery guy, one of those softies who cinched his belt tight so that his
soft stomach simultaneously showed over it and under it.
Anyway, he went to one of the serious gyms in San Rafael to get fit and
discovered to his and everyone else’s surprise that underneath all this
smooth tissue was a mesomorph trying to break free. In three months he was
huge and ripped. Every time he went to the gym he just got stronger, and
leaner, and more muscular.
So of course, this being California, enormous pressure was put on him to
enter a local bodybuilding contest, which eventually he did.
So he is working out, working really hard trying to sculpt his body. And we’re
talking after one of his workouts and he tells me that he has been using a
new machine. Yep, a C2, probably a model A or B, and what a terrific job the
machine was doing with his lats.
He said he loaded the machine “full up.” In retrospect I suspect he meant
that he had set the machine to 10. So by “full up” he must have meant the
highest Drag Factor possible. He said he would hit the machine for 45
minutes to an hour at the end of a work out.
At the time I had no idea what he was talking about, and almost no curiosity
to find out.
A few years later my nephew and a friend of his, both from LA, were in town
on a project. The friend turned out to be a Southern California bodybuilder
deeply imbued with the culture and with deep knowledge of it. I told him the
story of my first friend and he just laughed.
“You don’t get huge on a Concept2,” he said. “It’s an aerobic machine. It’s
for endurance. You burn calories on it. You lose weight. You improve cardio.
But you don’t build muscle mass on it. A real bodybuilder doesn’t get
anywhere near an erg, unless he is trying to lose smooth tissue. Even then
he is really careful not to use it too much. It’s guaranteed to make you
lose mass. Nobody who works in a gym knows how to use a C2. What’s more if
you don’t know how to use them correctly, you can really hurt yourself.”
By this time I had my own, a model C, and agreed with him. Ironically, and I
have to add this to the story, a few months later I would hurt myself on
mine. But that was 15 years ago, and we didn’t have all the resources that
are now available to us. It is a pity to insist on staying ignorant when
there is so much light shed all around us.
Cordially,
Charles
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