My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up during 2 hour sculling outings?
kate wrote: > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to > avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up > during 2 hour sculling outings?
> Least acidic of the sports drinks? > Alternatives?
Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just fine without such stuff.
Carl wrote: > kate wrote: > > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > > ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to > > avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up > > during 2 hour sculling outings?
> > Least acidic of the sports drinks? > > Alternatives?
> Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't > work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just > fine without such stuff.
> Carl
Further more, many supposed sports drinks play awful tricks with Insulin production and reduce performance instead of increase it. There is evidence to suggest that these drinks can lead to sport induced diabietes.
Water, and a balanced diet unless the weather is exceptional and then go to the chemist and buy electrolytes for kids with dodgy stomachs.
> > Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't > > work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just > > fine without such stuff.
> > Carl
> Further more, many supposed sports drinks play awful tricks with > Insulin production and reduce performance instead of increase it. There > is evidence to suggest that these drinks can lead to sport induced > diabietes.
> Water, and a balanced diet unless the weather is exceptional and then > go to the chemist and buy electrolytes for kids with dodgy stomachs.
I was amused to discover that the ARA's favourite sports drink contains as good as identical contents as bog standard squash. Makes won wonder why people pay more.
kate wrote: > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to > avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up > during 2 hour sculling outings?
You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as you do; long hard outings only. Water's fine most of the time. When you do drink something sugary, have a glass of water when you get in afterwards. Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or drinking loads of it causes holes.
> kate wrote: >> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long >> ergs or water sessions.
> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > drinking loads of it causes holes.
> kate wrote: > > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
I don't know what Squash or Lucozade is, but 2L of any sports drink per day is REALLY excessive. In the states we have Gatorade and the like. Way too sweet, although the electrolyte replacement is important. Try diluting your sports drink with an equal amount of water. Actually I usually use a mix of 2/3 water, 1/3 sports drink or 100% fruit juice.
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Carl wrote:
> Water. And worry less. Advertisers have persuaded people they can't > work hard without their products, but the human metabolism works just > fine without such stuff.
> Carl
While I agree that the advertisers have gone overboard, there is plenty of scientific literature that supports the idea that the human metabolism works much BETTER with electrolyte replacement drinks. The human metabolism was not designed to train at the level that elite/olympic rowing hopefuls train. For very long workouts, nutrition is critical. Water alone won't cut it, and while water plus a snack like a banana provide most of what you need, sports drinks provide faster/better delivery generally.
The African marathoners with rice water & honey is an interesting story. My exercise nutrition prof told a story that the sports drink was invented/discovered by a M.D. working as a missionary in India. He began using the water from boiled potatos for treating malnutritioned and dehydrated patients, and was amazed at the results. Add some salts and sugars, and you've got potato-flavored Gatorade! ;-)
Someone else mentioned drinks for children with gastro-intestinal ilnesses. That's called Pedialyte here in the US, and it's basically a toned-down version of Gatorade, too.
Dole or Chiquita had an ad campain here a while back that said the banana was quite possibly Nature's most perfect food. Not far off from the truth, really. I'd say a banana and some diluted sports drink would be a good combo to bring with you for long aerobic outings.
squash is also a huge amount of calories for not much other benefit. a typical squash will have 125 calories per half pint. Id rather have something a bit tastier for my calories!!
Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote: > > kate wrote: > >> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > >> ergs or water sessions.
> > Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > > as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > > instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > > drinking loads of it causes holes.
KC wrote: > > kate wrote: > > > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > > > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > > > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
> I don't know what Squash or Lucozade is, but 2L of any sports drink per > day is REALLY excessive. In the states we have Gatorade and the like.
If this is what you mean by "squash"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(drink) then it sounds like nothing more than sugar water, and if you're concerned about your teeth, I'd say eliminate that 100% from your diet. 2 L/day of any sugary drink is way too much.
>From their website, it appears that Lucozade Sport is like Gatorade,
and although I couldn't find nutrition facts, I assume it provides electrolyte replacement. Lucozade Energy is just fruit flavored sugar water with caffeine, and I wouldn't recommend it for aiding your exercise nutrition and hydration.
Again, try a mix of at least 50% water with at most 50% Lucozade Sport, with some fruit like bananas as a solid snack.
KC wrote: > KC wrote: > > > kate wrote: > > > > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > > > > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > > > > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long
> > I don't know what Squash or Lucozade is, but 2L of any sports drink per > > day is REALLY excessive. In the states we have Gatorade and the like.
> If this is what you mean by "squash"... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(drink) > then it sounds like nothing more than sugar water, and if you're > concerned about your teeth, I'd say eliminate that 100% from your diet. > 2 L/day of any sugary drink is way too much.
> >From their website, it appears that Lucozade Sport is like Gatorade, > and although I couldn't find nutrition facts, I assume it provides > electrolyte replacement. Lucozade Energy is just fruit flavored sugar > water with caffeine, and I wouldn't recommend it for aiding your > exercise nutrition and hydration.
> Again, try a mix of at least 50% water with at most 50% Lucozade Sport, > with some fruit like bananas as a solid snack.
donal.ca...@gmail.com wrote: > honey and rice water didnt appeal then Kieran?
I think it's a neat idea, but kind of labor intensive when in modern western countries a sports drink is just a few coins in a vending machine away... ;-)
I still can't believe the OP was/is drinking 2L/day of sugary soft drinks. No wonder the dentist was concerned!
> kate wrote: >> My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut >> down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At >> present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long >> ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to >> avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up >> during 2 hour sculling outings? > You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as you do; > long hard outings only. Water's fine most of the time. When you do > drink something sugary, have a glass of water when you get in > afterwards. Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > drinking loads of it causes holes.
David Biddulph wrote: > "Pete" <petersr1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:1160664022.036160.189220@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > kate wrote: > >> My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > >> down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > >> present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > >> ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to > >> avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up > >> during 2 hour sculling outings?
> > You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as you do; > > long hard outings only. Water's fine most of the time. When you do > > drink something sugary, have a glass of water when you get in > > afterwards. Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > > as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > > instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > > drinking loads of it causes holes.
Except that the THREE cans required to burn 50-100 calories will almost certainly get you testing positive in a drug test.
It often forgotten that caffein in excessive quantities is considered a performance enhancing drug and as such will be tested for in a urine test and you would receive some sort of sanction.
LOL... "Break-through science" right... take a zero (or near zero) calorie drink like tea or coffee, which also have caffeine, and you've got a "calorie burning" beverage. Big deal. Caffeine increases one's metabolism temporarily. This is not news.
anton2...@aol.com wrote: > Except that the THREE cans required to burn 50-100 calories will almost > certainly get you testing positive in a drug test.
No it won't.
> It often forgotten that caffein in excessive quantities is considered a > performance enhancing drug and as such will be tested for in a urine > test and you would receive some sort of sanction.
It may be performance enhancing, however it is not on WADA's prohibited list and therefore high levels cannot result in an adverse finding against an athlete and therefore no sanction. It was moved from the prohibited list to the monitoring program several years ago.
All athletes and coaches at any significant performance level should really be reading the changes each year to make sure that they don't get caught out. They are published several months in advance.
> > Except that the THREE cans required to burn 50-100 calories will almost > > certainly get you testing positive in a drug test.
> No it won't.
> > It often forgotten that caffein in excessive quantities is considered a > > performance enhancing drug and as such will be tested for in a urine > > test and you would receive some sort of sanction.
> It may be performance enhancing, however it is not on WADA's prohibited > list and therefore high levels cannot result in an adverse finding > against an athlete and therefore no sanction. It was moved from the > prohibited list to the monitoring program several years ago.
> All athletes and coaches at any significant performance level should > really be reading the changes each year to make sure that they don't > get caught out. They are published several months in advance.
> Rob.
Assuming they are still coaching
It was there when I was there not so long ago. I stand corrected.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote: > > kate wrote: > >> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > >> ergs or water sessions.
> > Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > > as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > > instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > > drinking loads of it causes holes.
> Ahem.
> >> (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks. > > You don't need to drink anything like as much sugary stuff as > > you do; long hard outings only.
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote: >> On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote: >>> kate wrote: >>>> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long >>>> ergs or water sessions.
>>> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry >>> as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not >>> instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or >>> drinking loads of it causes holes.
>> Ahem.
> your point?
Your use of "you" suggested to me that you meant her specifically. And in her case, there is definitely something unusual going on.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 16 Oct 2006 06:29:12 -0700, Pete wrote: > > Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
and lucozade during long
> >>>> ergs or water sessions.
> >>> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > >>> as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > >>> instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > >>> drinking loads of it causes holes.
> >> Ahem.
> > your point?
> Your use of "you" suggested to me that you meant her specifically. And > in her case, there is definitely something unusual going on.
Especially note this dichotomy:
> >>> kate wrote: > >>>> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day,
followed up by,
> >> On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote: > >>> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry (snip) > >>> drinking loads of it causes holes.
So I guess Pete doesn't think 2L/day constitutes "loads".
One drink that is really, really underrated is milk - not before or during exercise, but after.
Most people know it's got loads of calcium but what they don't tend to know is: - it's fantastic at rehydration - apparently as good as isotonic drinks
- it contains carbohydrate in the form of lactose (but there are lactose-free versions if you are intolerant). - it's got loads of nutrients and minerals other than calcium - niacin, iodine, magnesium, phosphorous, thiamin and zinc, as well as good levels of protein (around 3.5% I think) - whole milk is less than 4% fat, semi skim less than 2%.
AND if you're worried about teeth, it's one of only two drinks dentists recommend between meals (the other is water) - I believe because of the phosphorous in it.
What's more, I can't speak for the men but the GB women's squad must know about it because they drink Slim-Fast straight after weight training, and that's milk-based!
So buy a pint on the way home after training cos it's cheap too....
Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 16 Oct 2006 06:29:12 -0700, Pete wrote: > > Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > >> On 12 Oct 2006 07:40:22 -0700, Pete wrote: > >>> kate wrote: > >>>> I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > >>>> ergs or water sessions.
> >>> Unless you have something unusual, you do not need to worry > >>> as much as your dentist makes out; acid / sugary drinks do not > >>> instantly cause magic holes in teeth, failing to brush regularly or > >>> drinking loads of it causes holes.
> >> Ahem.
> > your point?
> Your use of "you" suggested to me that you meant her specifically. And > in her case, there is definitely something unusual going on.
I said, like everyone else has, that 2L a day is too much, which is why I put that quote back, which you're removed again. Point being that while 2L a day is too much, you shouldn't worry about having an occasional energy drink (like, say, on a race day).
After all you've seen written do you feel that you have received any useful advice. Im a little concerned that the tone of some the posts is not necessarily helpful when you have just asked a sensible question and it appears to me that you may have simply been guided into a course of action (ie having a high volume of "high energy" drink) through either 1/coaching 2/advertising 3/or simply that that is what all your peers are doing.
kate wrote: > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to > avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up > during 2 hour sculling outings?
> Least acidic of the sports drinks? > Alternatives?
kate wrote: > My dentist has warned me that if I want to keep my teeth I need to cut > down (actually she said cut out) acidic drinks, ie sports drinks. At > present I drink up to 2litres of squash a day, and lucozade during long > ergs or water sessions. Just wondering if anyone has advice on how to > avoid losing my teeth while keeping myself hydrated and carbed up > during 2 hour sculling outings?
> Least acidic of the sports drinks? > Alternatives?
Back in my day juniors were told to "Squirt the stuff to the back of your mouth and swallow it without it touching your teeth." Not so easy in practise and no idea how effective this method is but at least the CCJ was aware of the problem and it might help.
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