so the Japanese dude gets yet another clean pin over a top star

[robert stickler]

This is getting ridiculous

[Scott Oof]

robert stickler <rjs...@aol.com> Wrote in message:
> This is getting ridiculous
>

Shinsuke Nakamura is one of the best professional wrestlers in the
world. The fact that you are unable to appreciate his work is
further proof of your idiocy.

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[robert stickler]

He sucks

[Freezer]

If I don't reply to this robert stickler post, the terroists win.

> He sucks
>

You would've booed Tojo Yamamoto, back in the day.

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[hobb...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-4, Freezer wrote:
> If I don't reply to this robert stickler post, the terroists win.
>
> > He sucks
> >
>
> You would've booed Tojo Yamamoto, back in the day.

The difference is, Yamamoto was a heel for most of his career, save for a face run in Memphis, would be the only time I know of where he was a babyface.

As for Rob, I'd suggest renting some New Japan DVD's or any Ring of Honor DVD's w/Nakamura.

[me]

like it would make a difference

[robert stickler]

He has no charisma

[hobb...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 1:35:48 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> He has no charisma

Yes, he does. People sing along with his theme music, in case you haven't noticed. WWE Uncreative doesn't know how to address that, so they're trying to pigeon-hole him into "just another WWE superstar". More proof that Vince is nuts.

[robert stickler]

But I hate him

[hobb...@yahoo.com]

On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:32:03 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> But I hate him

Educate yourself on Nakamura, Rob. Rent some New Japan or Ring of Honor DVD's. If you can't rent, buy. Places like FYE and Best Buy will have them.

[Pope Acolyte Of Glorious La Parka~, Master Of Men And Lover Of Women]

Since when has Christian been Japanese?

[Freezer]

If I don't reply to this post, the terroists win.

More like Vince can't tolerate someone getting over *his way*.
See also: treating every ex-WCW guy like trash when they first
crossed over*.


* The one notable exception being Rey Mysterio.

[jmfabi...@gmail.com]

Not really. They added the 619 and other touches. Kind of like how Eddie was allowed to be on top of the card because Latino Heat was a WWE idea.

On the other hand, if one cannot succeed at other people's styles, what does that say about them as a performer?

[hobb...@yahoo.com]

Jim's right on that point. Rey couldn't use the Bronco Buster, which he'd lifted from X-Pac, so they came up with the 619, which Rey has incorporated into his moveset ever since. The hydraulics they used when Rey first came in was another "touch" WWE added.

[jmfabi...@gmail.com]

So could Perro Aguayo's family technically sue WWE for coming up with the 619?

[hobb...@yahoo.com]

They could if they had a strong case, even though the late Perro Aguayo never worked for WWE in his career. They would've done so by now if they wanted to.

[jmfabi...@gmail.com]

My post was more a jab at how people seem to find ways to join The Lawsuit. Some who too never worked extensively for Vince.

[Freezer]

If I don't reply to this post, the terroists win.

> Not really. They added the 619 and other touches. Kind of
> like how Eddie was allowed to be on top of the card because
> Latino Heat was a WWE idea.

But my point was they treated Rey as legit from the start. Not as
"one of those other guys."

[hobb...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-4, jmfabi...@gmail.com wrote:
> My post was more a jab at how people seem to find ways to join The Lawsuit. Some who too never worked extensively for Vince.

Ah, yes, Konstantine Kyros and his ambulance-chasing, hoping for a big payday at Vince's expense---and failing.

[Trijcomm]

> Shinsuke Nakamura is one of the best professional wrestlers in the
> world. The fact that you are unable to appreciate his work is
> further proof of your idiocy.
>

Nakamura may be good in Japan, but that does not necessarily transfer to the WWE. Wrestling in the US is completely different from what goes on in Japan. Charisma is VERY important in the US as well as angles -- not the case in Japan. I have seen him a couple of times and have not been overly impressed at all. The guy got an immediate push and I don't know if that kind of thing is warranted being that he came from such a different wrestling culture. The WWE can do what they want to but I for one have not been moved one iota by his presence to view Smackdown on a more regular basis because of him.

[Trijcomm]

People danced to Fandango's music. That doesn't necessarily mean someone has charisma. It means the music is good and that's IT. Creative can't ve blamed for every failure or else you have to credit them for every success.

[Trijcomm]

Do I have to rent tapes from every minor league team to assess baseball players when they come into the MLB or do I wait to see how they actually hit big league pitching? It doesn't matter what they do in New Japan or ROH or anything until they hit "the big leagues." Now, there are different grade levels in pro wrestling just as there are in baseball (Triple A, Double A, Japanese baseball, etc.) but it just doesn't matter what they have done until they reach the big leagues. Same in pro wrestling. These other wrestling promotions simply are NOT on par with WWE, no matter what kind of pedigree people claim they have. Lots of Japanese baseball players who are stars over there fail big time in the US for many reasons. Same goes in pro wrestling. Until you lace up the boots and wow them in MSG, you haven't even come close to the brass ring.

[Trijcomm]

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 9:27:21 AM UTC-5, Freezer wrote:
> If I don't reply to this post, the terroists win.
>
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 1:35:48 PM UTC-4, robert
> > stickler wrote:
> >> He has no charisma
> >
> > Yes, he does. People sing along with his theme music, in case
> > you haven't noticed. WWE Uncreative doesn't know how to
> > address that, so they're trying to pigeon-hole him into "just
> > another WWE superstar". More proof that Vince is nuts.
> >
>
> More like Vince can't tolerate someone getting over *his way*.
> See also: treating every ex-WCW guy like trash when they first
> crossed over*.
>

Good grief, man! How many years ago did Vince bury WCW wrestlers after he bought them out? That certainly doesn't happen nowadays! Look at Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Austin Aries, etc. If someone can make the promotion money, Vince doesn't care what there past is.

[Trijcomm]

How many different versions are there of the RKO/Stunner?Diamond Cutter? Or The Scorpion Death Lock? Or how about AJ Styles' finisher that was copied by McCool? Can you imagine a judge's reaction to somebody who wants to sue over a professional wrestling finisher? They have a lot more important things to do. Even a jaywalking case would rank above this. Now, who is gonna sue over that bat flipping thing in the MLB? Surely SOMEBODY started that!

[Trijcomm]

On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 10:34:58 AM UTC-5, Trijcomm wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 2:24:51 PM UTC-5, hobb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 1:35:48 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> > > He has no charisma
> >
> > Yes, he does. People sing along with his theme music, in case you haven't noticed. WWE Uncreative doesn't know how to address that, so they're trying to pigeon-hole him into "just another WWE superstar". More proof that Vince is nuts.
>

> People danced to Fandango's music. That doesn't necessarily mean someone has charisma. It means the music is good and that's IT. Creative can't be blamed for every failure or else you have to credit them for every success.

spelling error fixed

[Trijcomm]

> Good grief, man! How many years ago did Vince bury WCW wrestlers after he bought them out? That certainly doesn't happen nowadays! Look at Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Austin Aries, etc. If someone can make the promotion money, Vince doesn't care what their past is.

Spelling error fixed. Spell check didn't catch it, of course.

[me]

On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 11:42:40 AM UTC-4, Trijcomm wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:19:57 PM UTC-5, hobb...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 3:32:03 PM UTC-4, robert stickler wrote:
> > > But I hate him
> >
> > Educate yourself on Nakamura, Rob. Rent some New Japan or Ring of Honor DVD's. If you can't rent, buy. Places like FYE and Best Buy will have them.
>

> Now, there are different grade levels in pro wrestling just as there are in baseball (Triple A, Double A, Japanese baseball, etc.) but it just doesn't matter what they have done until they reach the big leagues. Same in pro wrestling. These other wrestling promotions simply are NOT on par with WWE, no matter what kind of pedigree people claim they have. Lots of Japanese baseball players who are stars over there fail big time in the US for many reasons. Same goes in pro wrestling. Until you lace up the boots and wow them in MSG, you haven't even come close to the brass ring.

You continue to prove you are as ignorant about wrestling as you are politics

[Trijcomm]

Obviously I am glad you believe that because it shows I am right on the mark since you admitted you don't even have a brain to think with. Thanks for the confirmation.

[Aldrichtom]

On 2-Jun-2017, wrote:

> > > Educate yourself on Nakamura, Rob. Rent some New Japan or Ring of
> > > Honor DVD's. If you can't rent, buy. Places like FYE and Best Buy will
> > > have them.
> >
> > Now, there are different grade levels in pro wrestling just as there
> > are in baseball (Triple A, Double A, Japanese baseball, etc.) but it
> > just doesn't matter what they have done until they reach the big
> > leagues. Same in pro wrestling. These other wrestling promotions simply
> > are NOT on par with WWE, no matter what kind of pedigree people claim
> > they have. Lots of Japanese baseball players who are stars over there
> > fail big time in the US for many reasons. Same goes in pro wrestling.
> > Until you lace up the boots and wow them in MSG, you haven't even come
> > close to the brass ring.
>
> You continue to prove you are as ignorant about wrestling as you are
> politics

I find the whole production a huge waste of time, if I want to watch a dance
off then I will watch some ham and egger production on Prime time channel. I
want to watch wrestling.

[hobb...@yahoo.com]

What Rev. Dimwit fails to comprehend is that New Japan is that country's equivalent to WWE in terms of "the big leagues". Japan has 2 baseball leagues, same as we do. Their stars come here, lured, like in every other line of work, by money and greater fame. Our athletes, after their primes, go the other way to extend their careers and help younger athletes learn the game.

[me]

please provide proof where I said I didn't have a brain. Oh wait! I never said that! So once again, you show your ignorance. You are wrong about wrestling, you are wrong about politics, you are wrong about everything.

[robert stickler]

Me never watches wrestling

[Trijcomm]

Then you'll have to go to your local high school or college and watch the wrestling team compete. None of these pro wrestling promotions really wrestle. It is ALL "dance." The only difference is some of it is more believable than others.

[Trijcomm]

Didn't I just say this? And you call ME a "dimwit?" If the best of New Japan comes to the WWE, then I guess that makes WWE the "major leagues of pro wrestling" and New Japan the Triple A of the wrestling world. If old WWE stars go to Japan, then these washed up folks trying to extend their careers are going to Triple A, just like a lot of MLB players do at the end of their careers. In Japan, New Japan is seen as the top rung because that's the best they have over there.

[me]

there's more wrestling in one hour of ROH than a month of WWE. Though it is good to see you double down on your ignorance

[Trijcomm]

ROH compared to WWE is HORRIBLE! I tried watching it a week ago and managed 30 seconds before I had to turn it off. I see Cody Runnels is on there. Poor guy. How the mighty have fallen! Talk about taking a pay cut! ROH is fine for Double A wrestling, but Double A is nothing compared to the majors.

[me]

1. You're an idiot
2. 30 seconds of giving it a shot PROVES you are an idiot
3. What the WWE does is not wrestling, it's sports entertainment, even Vince won't call it wrestling
4. Whether you like it or not, there is more wrestling in an hour of ROH than a month of WWE
5. You're an idiot

[Trijcomm]

> 1. You're an idiot
> 2. 30 seconds of giving it a shot PROVES you are an idiot
> 3. What the WWE does is not wrestling, it's sports entertainment, even Vince won't call it wrestling
> 4. Whether you like it or not, there is more wrestling in an hour of ROH than a month of WWE
> 5. You're an idiot

There is no "wrestling" in ANY pro wrestling promotion. It is all choreographed like anything you would watch in a movie theater or acrobatic act. All fake, all entertainment, NO wrestling. Hate to break the news to you. Hate to burst the bubble. I know you are still in middle school, but let me warn you. Mommy and Daddy are going to have some rather sobering news about the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny pretty soon as well. I will let them break the news to you. It is their job, you know.

[me]

well once again, you are wrong. There is still wresting in other promotions, notably ROH, but I am sure in your vast 30 seconds of watching it you figured that out. Just admit it, you are not a pro wrestling fan, you are a sports entertainment fan. What the WWE does is not pro wrestling and hasn't been for years.

As far as your middle school fantasies go, It is still quite disturbing that you have such fantasies about me. I think all your fake news bullshit has rotted your brain

[Trijcomm]

> well once again, you are wrong. There is still wresting in other promotions, notably ROH, but I am sure in your vast 30 seconds of watching it you figured that out. Just admit it, you are not a pro wrestling fan,

There is no wrestling in pro wrestling. It is ALL entertainment. And if you don't believe that, then just continue to put teeth under your pillow and cookies and milk out for Santa. Tsk, tsk. Middle schoolers should know things like this by now.

[me]

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 1:20:35 AM UTC-4, Trijcomm wrote:
> > well once again, you are wrong. There is still wresting in other promotions, notably ROH, but I am sure in your vast 30 seconds of watching it you figured that out. Just admit it, you are not a pro wrestling fan,
>
> There is no wrestling in pro wrestling. It is ALL entertainment. And if you don't believe that, then just continue to put teeth under your pillow and cookies and milk out for Santa. Tsk, tsk. Middle schoolers should know things like this by now.

and if you believe there is no longer pro wrestling out there, you just prove you are a doddering old fool with a tenuous grip on reality.

Keep up with your sick fantasies Skippy, you really seem to have a thing for prepubescent boys. I would imagine you are not allowed anywhere near a middle school

[Trijcomm]

You are TRULY a middle schooler if you believe pro wrestling is nothing but entertainment. All of pro wrestling is a form of choreographed spots, spots that have all been done long, long ago. This isn't wrestling by any stretch of the imagination and Vince knows that. That's why he calls it "entertainment" and I don't care what brand or name that is put on it, it is just that. Vince embraced this long ago and that is why he is so successful. This fantasy of "pro wrestling" is just that. Talk about "grip on reality!" You have not advanced beyond the basics.

[me]

wow he doubles down AGAIN on stupidity! If you think there isn't a difference between pro wrestling and sports entertainment, you are more clueless than I thought. What the indies do is a throwback to the days of pro wrestling, what Vince does is sports entertainment garbage. I am not surprised though I expect this from someone who cannot tell the difference between real news and propaganda garbage

[Aldrichtom]

On 2-Jun-2017, Trijcomm <trij...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Then you'll have to go to your local high school or college and watch the
> wrestling team compete. None of these pro wrestling promotions really
> wrestle. It is ALL "dance." The only difference is some of it is more
> believable than others.

Wrestling in Professional Wrestling is put on as we all know, but I watch to
be entertained by such, I don't watch for some dumb dance off

[Trijcomm]

Baloney. It's ALL entertainment. It's ALL choreographed. It's ALL planned. It's ALL done for the sake of the audience. All it is is a matter of who entertains the best and it sure isn't ROH because if it was they wouldn't be paying their folks a pittance and their employees wouldn't be willing to give their right arms to work in WWE. So stop kidding yourself.

[Trijcomm]

>
> > Then you'll have to go to your local high school or college and watch the
> > wrestling team compete. None of these pro wrestling promotions really
> > wrestle. It is ALL "dance." The only difference is some of it is more
> > believable than others.
>
> Wrestling in Professional Wrestling is put on as we all know, but I watch to
> be entertained by such, I don't watch for some dumb dance off

You watch to be entertained. That is the key word. I don't know what dance off you are talking about, though. Did they do that in ROH?

[me]

doubling down again. If you think what the WWE does is wrestling, or what ROH does is sports entertainment, you are a fool. Again though, I can see how you are clueless about such things, you buy into Trump's fake news bullshit, which shows that you are not very bright.

[Aldrichtom]

On 3-Jun-2017, wrote:

> You watch to be entertained. That is the key word. I don't know what dance
> off you are talking about, though. Did they do that in ROH?

The Japanese guy dressed in red dancing when he enters

[Trijcomm]

I said it is ALL entertainment. ROH isn't wrestling and neither is WWE or any of the rest of them. It is all one, big show. And it figures that the middle schooler still does NOT get it.

[me]

it figures that the guy that doesn't understand the difference between news and fake news doesn't get it. ROH is not sports entertainment. WWE is. They are not the same.

[me]

also, another tap out from you with your incessant school boy fantasies of me. You are seriously creepy Skippy