Re: SIX REASONS ‘STAR TREK: VOYAGER’ NEVER REALL Y WORKED

[Rob Cypher]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:06:39 -0800 (PST), Karl Johanson
<karl.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 17, 8:02 am, Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>>  Voyager turned out to be a complete waste of time,
>
>Was not... Was a quite effective cure for my Trek addiction.

"Enterprise" was my "cure". Sci-fi prequels never seem to work out. :/

[corky]

On May 2, 5:55 am, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 21:06:39 -0800 (PST), Karl Johanson
>

> <karl.johan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 17, 8:02 am, Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
> >>  Voyager turned out to be a complete waste of time,
>
> >Was not... Was a quite effective cure for my Trek addiction.
>
> "Enterprise" was my "cure". Sci-fi prequels never seem to work out. :/

Personally, I would have preferred this woman to play the lead role.
Kate Mugrew did a good job, but was the second choice.

Geneviève Bujold

In 1994 Bujold agreed to play Captain Janeway (at that point named
Nicole), lead character in the American television series Star Trek:
Voyager. However, she dropped out after filming just a few scenes of
the first episode, citing the lengthy work schedule for a TV series
and her unwillingness to do news interviews. The producers
subsequently hired TV veteran Kate Mulgrew for the role, and renamed
the character Kathryn Janeway.

[Rob Cypher]

There was no way Bujold would've worked in that role. Did you not see
the pre-pilot shots of her as Captain "Nicole" Janeway? She acted
stiff and distant from the crew. It looked like she hated every second
of it.

Here's two comparison videos of Kate Mulgrew and Geneviève Bujold
doing the same scenes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pgAFV2YxLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NANUpPaiGG8

[Rob Cypher]

On Fri, 04 May 2012 00:54:21 -0400, Rob Cypher <bal...@aol.com>
wrote:

IIRC, the "Voyager" producers were thinking of casting the person who
played "Dr. Leah Brahms" (the engineer Geordi LaForge had a crush on)
as the captain at first, but they decided that she was too young. (I
don't think she would've resumed her Brahms character had she gotten
the role.)

[Tater Gumfries]

That French gal don't got a captain's bearin, and her voice is too
soft and she don't seem like she's involved. The sharp voice gal's
better, always lookin around. She got authority.

If Tater was 6 months younger, he'd be datin both of em.

Tater

[Rob Cypher]

Bujold (who is French-Canadian) can be a good actress, but I think she
flaked out when she realized a TV shooting schedule was much longer
than one for a movie.

Odd thing about Mulgrew: she's always drinking some sort of liquor in
every interview she's been in, and often talks about her love for fine
alcohol. Sometimes I wonder if she got her distinctive voice from
lots of cigarettes and scotch. I wouldn't necessarily say she's an
alkie, though - or at least she's never gotten in trouble because of
it.

[Ed Stasiak]

> corky

>
> The producers subsequently hired TV veteran Kate Mulgrew
> for the role, and renamed the character

Captain Mom Janeway…

They should have cast Jeri Ryan as the Capt.

[Ed Stasiak]

> corky

>
> The producers subsequently hired TV veteran Kate Mulgrew
> for the role, and renamed the character

[David E. Powell]

I always felt that Natalya Nouglich (sp?) would have been tons
better. Admiral Nechayev. Then the ship's Captain dies and the
Admiral takes over a la Kirk getting given command by Spock in Star
Trek II.

Or another possibility might have been to bring back Ronny Cox as
Captain Jellico.

[Rob Cypher]

On Fri, 4 May 2012 18:54:48 -0700 (PDT), "David E. Powell"
<David_Po...@msn.com> wrote:

>On May 4, 9:23 pm, Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net> wrote:
>> > corky
>>
>> > The producers subsequently hired TV veteran Kate Mulgrew
>> > for the role, and renamed the character
>>
>> Captain Mom Janeway…
>>
>> They should have cast Jeri Ryan as the Capt.
>
>I always felt that Natalya Nouglich (sp?) would have been tons
>better. Admiral Nechayev. Then the ship's Captain dies and the
>Admiral takes over a la Kirk getting given command by Spock in Star
>Trek II.

Kirk aside, most admirals (real life or otherwise) don't like stepping
down in rank just because there's a ship involved. It's not like
Voyager had the same name value as Enterprise. Seems to me like
she liked flexing her influence over whole areas of space as opposed
to just one starship.

>Or another possibility might have been to bring back Ronny Cox as
>Captain Jellico.

Nope - Voyager's producers were aiming for a woman. Besides,
something happened to the character by the time of Voyager's
launch - he was no longer captain of the USS Cairo (his normal
ship) when it was destroyed by the Dominion. Either he
became an admiral, died, or retired (or the writers forgot who
was captain, which is also possible).

I don't know why I know this stuff.

[David E. Powell]

On May 6, 5:16 am, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 May 2012 18:54:48 -0700 (PDT), "David E. Powell"
>

> <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
> >On May 4, 9:23 pm, Ed Stasiak <estas...@att.net> wrote:
> >> > corky
>
> >> > The producers subsequently hired TV veteran Kate Mulgrew
> >> > for the role, and renamed the character
>
> >> Captain Mom Janeway…
>
> >> They should have cast Jeri Ryan as the Capt.
>
> >I always felt that Natalya Nouglich (sp?) would have been tons
> >better.  Admiral Nechayev. Then the ship's Captain dies and the
> >Admiral takes over a la Kirk getting given command by Spock in Star
> >Trek II.
>
> Kirk aside, most admirals (real life or otherwise) don't like stepping
> down in rank just because there's a ship involved. It's not like
> Voyager had the same name value as Enterprise. Seems to me like
> she liked flexing her influence over whole areas of space as opposed
> to just one starship.

I hear you. I'd be thinking, this was a big mission to get these
Maquis types and find them, big enough to spring a guy out of jail to
help, so she goes along to supervise or give some advice. Then the
captain and a lot of the officers get killed and she has to take over,
along with Chakotay as her second. Maybe even a backstory with
Chakotay as someone she had mentored before he "defected" which could
also be why she was involved.

> >Or another possibility might have been to bring back Ronny Cox as
> >Captain Jellico.
>
> Nope - Voyager's producers were aiming for a woman. Besides,
> something happened to the character by the time of Voyager's
> launch - he was no longer captain of the USS Cairo (his normal
> ship) when it was destroyed by the Dominion. Either he
> became an admiral, died, or retired (or the writers forgot who
> was captain, which is also possible).

I agree. It could open up him being available to give a new ship for
the mission, though. It also might be neat to have him sort of
questioning himself a bit, as he's been very confident in the past. He
takes a "milk run" mission to get a few Maquis fugitives, then ends up
on the other side of the Galaxy with a shaken crew of young people who
have lost most of their experienced officers, plus the former Maquis
people who don't trust starfleet, in a similar dynamic to the one he
had when Riker was insubordinate to him on the Enterprise.

In the end I think the well ran a bit dry on the writing side.

> I don't know why I know this stuff.

Memory is strange sometimes, it twigged something and it stays there.
Star Trek's a fun thing to have on the mind though :)

[Rob Cypher]

On Fri, 4 May 2012 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC), JJ Baybee <jjba...@west.net>
wrote:

>Rob Cypher <bal...@aol.com> wrote in
>news:8om8q7d6hpj3ilhkn...@4ax.com:

>More likely she flaked out when shre realized she had hit rock bottom and
>was considering a role on a Star Trek spinoff.
>
>Hit the road, slag. Stop posting your space case crap in alt.slack. Keep
>it in your nerd group, where it belongs.

Sez the guy who proudly bought every single thing "Rev. Stang" put out
since 1988 or so. "Nerd" indeed.




























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[Steven L.]

"Tater Gumfries" <gumf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1bf1b43a-bf3d-47fe...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:

Besides, we already had a French captain in TNG.




-- Steven L.

[cain...@windstream.net]

On May 7, 2:38 pm, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 4 May 2012 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC), JJ Baybee <jjbay...@west.net>
> wrote:
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> >Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote in

ROB CYPHER HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE 1998. WHO ARE YOU, YOU IMPOSTER???????

[David E. Powell]

On May 7, 10:45 pm, shiny <a@b.ç> wrote:
> "In a very dark China Blue, China Blue condition."
> <chine.b...@yahoo.com> sez 07 May 2012:

>
> >> >Hit the road, slag. Stop posting your space case crap in alt.slack.
> >> >Keep it in your nerd group, where it belongs.
>
> >> Sez the guy who proudly bought every single thing "Rev. Stang" put
> >> out since 1988 or so. "Nerd" indeed.
>

> > When I saw that Yoda was willing to let Anakin's mother be tortured to
> > death merely as some lesson in emotional detachment, I realised the
> > Jedi were no better than the Sith. They had fancier Japanese clothes
> > than the black cloak gang, but no real moral difference.
>
> i didn't watch that crap, but have to agree with this statement anyhoo.

I also noticed in "Phantom Menace" that the Jedi had zero problem with
slavery, as long as it didn't inconvenience anyone who had the force
who they wanted for themselves. Anakin's mom didn't have to see him
again, but they didn't have to leave her there either. Especially
after they won the big battle and had a grateful Princess who could
have paid whatever needed to get the mom out and stash her somewhere
that was decent.

> --
> @}`-,--   *with bells & motley and a tinfoil tiara*

[Rob Cypher]

On Mon, 7 May 2012 19:53:27 -0700 (PDT), cain...@windstream.net
wrote:

>ROB CYPHER HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE 1998. WHO ARE YOU, YOU IMPOSTER???????

The undead version, which would be appropriate considering the state
of Usenet these days.






































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[tenworld]

On May 6, 2:16 am, Rob Cypher <bals...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kirk aside, most admirals (real life or otherwise) don't like stepping
> down in rank just because there's a ship involved.

Patrick Obrien used that technique in several variations to keep Jack
Aubrey in command of the Surprise as a captain even after being
promoted several times either to admiral (commodore) or to a larger
ship. People have compared his relationship with Dr Maturin to Kirk-
Spock. Since he started writing Master & commander in 1970 not sure if
he was influenced by TOS, but there are numerous parallels in the
characters personalities.

[Ed Stasiak]

> David E. Powell
> > Ed Stasiak

> >
> > They should have cast Jeri Ryan as the Capt.
>
> I always felt that Natalya Nouglich (sp?) would have been

Captain 7th Grade Math Teacher Nechayev…

I'm not knocking the acting abilities of her or Kate Mulgrew
(I liked Voyager for the most part) but if you're going to cast
a woman as a starship captain, "curb appeal" must be your
first priority.

[~consul]

'tis on this 5/8/2012 8:54 AM, wrote tenworld thus to say:
> On May 6, 2:16 am, Rob Cypher<bals...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Kirk aside, most admirals (real life or otherwise) don't like stepping
>> down in rank just because there's a ship involved.
> Patrick Obrien used that technique in several variations to keep Jack
> Aubrey in command of the Surprise as a captain even after being
> promoted several times either to admiral (commodore) or to a larger
> ship. People have compared his relationship with Dr Maturin to Kirk-

> Spock. Since he started writing Master& commander in 1970 not sure if

> he was influenced by TOS, but there are numerous parallels in the
> characters personalities.

I've only read ... I think the first 4 or 5 of his novels, but wouldn't an Admiral/Commodore be allowed to Captain a ship if that was their pervue? He never was one to be at the desk.
Plus he also pissed off management folks (those really at desks) at times so he got bumped down every now and then.
--
"... respect, all good works are not done by only good folk. For here, at the end of all things, we shall do what needs to be done."
--till next time, consul -x- <<poetry.dolphins-cove.com>>

[Dave The Rave]

Ronny Cox has too much baggage as an actor to do that.

Dave The Rave

[David E. Powell]

If they were going for that at the time they could have gone for Tracy
Scoggins who was a couple years pre-Babylon 5 at that point. Or,
another person who was on a B5 hiatus then, and already had worked in
Trek projects, Patricia Tallman. If primo stunning looks are a
priority and you want someone who can act too, those two gals would be
options in my book. Or another gal who had done Trek a few times and
has a unique look, Suzie Plakson.

Natalya "Nechayev" Nouglich had ties to the TNG universe, though, and
that character was already established as a hard core officer who
brought the hammer down on Picard more than a few times. So she had an
established character and the gal who played the character could act.
That's my thinking there on getting her or Ronny "Jellico" Cox. Plus
there is already a pre-built dynamic with Nechayev and a character
like Paris to work with going in.

Also, call me crazy, but I always thought Nechayev wasn't too bad in
looks, and that there was almost a tension between her and Picard.

In fairness to Kate Mulgrew however, she didn't write the character,
she acted with what scripts she was given. Most fan issues with
Voyager come down to the writing. Other areas of the show, design,
effects, and cast talent, were pretty well set.

[Ziggy W]

> Ronny Cox has too much repertoire as an actor to do that.
> ^^^^^^^^^^
> Dave The Rave

IFYPFY

[Ziggy W]

On 5/11/2012 9:14 AM, David E. Powell wrote:

> In fairness to Kate Mulgrew however, she didn't write the character,
> she acted with what scripts she was given. Most fan issues with
> Voyager come down to the writing. Other areas of the show, design,
> effects, and cast talent, were pretty well set.

Do not you think it is kind of weird how they had her push buttons with
her middle finger? Is that really the future?

//

I push buttons with my ring finger.

[%]

are you on some sort of dope

[Ziggy W]

Nuh-uh.