Huckabee has a chance to seize the moment...
Torrey M. Spears
to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the Republican base -
bring Conservatives and Republicans together, force John McCain to
issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear each other apart with Obama
and Clinton.
You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
- TMS
s0183616
Enh, I'm no Huckabee fan, but staying in makes sense for him. As long
and him and McCain keep up the lovefest, all that really happens is that
Huckabee gets more and more name recognition for his political future.
Yeah, he has no shot against McCain, but, politically, it makes sense
for him to stay in. Him and McCain just need to decide amongst
themselves to not waste a shitload of money fighting each other.
And I say this as someone who hates the idea of Huckabee in the WH more
than any other candidate excluding the fucking cunt bitch.
Torrey M. Spears
> Torrey M. Spears wrote:
> And I say this as someone who hates the idea of Huckabee in the WH more
> than any other candidate excluding the fucking cunt bitch.
The problem is, Huckabee has no chance (y. VKM) of getting in the
White House.
He's behind in delegates, he's done with the south where his
constituency resides -
McCain appeals to the moderate Republicans and independents in the
upcoming primaries and caucuses...
I mean, realistically, the White House is a pipe dream for the
Huckster.
Granted, Huckabee and McCain don't sound like they're going to go
after each other like Clinton Obama once did -
but it doesn't serve the Conservative base to have McCain and McCain
Lite (as many see Huckabee) on the ticket together.
- TMS
Paging Condoleeza Rice, you're wanted for a position as VP, paging
Condoleeza Rice...
s0183616
> On Feb 7, 3:03 pm, s0183616 <s0183...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Torrey M. Spears wrote:
>
>> And I say this as someone who hates the idea of Huckabee in the WH more
>> than any other candidate excluding the fucking cunt bitch.
>
> The problem is, Huckabee has no chance (y. VKM) of getting in the
> White House.
Not this year, but he may have a shot in future elections (that's what I
was getting at).
Butler To A Hottie
force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or will
happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk over a
fire to be the VP.
I thought McCain might pick Thompson, but he has been invisible lately
so maybe that isn't a consideration.
The VP choice will be big for McCain because of the age issue along
with the conservative base issue.
I suspect he goes younger and more conservative....but don't have a
clue who that would be. Thompson is younger, but not by a whole lot.
s0183616
I would HATE it if McCain chose Huckabee, but I wouldn't be stunned if
it happened.
OrangeDood
hand:
> Torrey M. Spears wrote:
>> ... and bow out gracefully along with Romney. Give John McCain
>> months to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the
>> Republican base - bring Conservatives and Republicans together,
>> force John McCain to issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear
>> each other apart with Obama and Clinton.
>>
>> You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
>
> Enh, I'm no Huckabee fan, but staying in makes sense for him.
> As long and him and McCain keep up the lovefest, all that really
> happens is that Huckabee gets more and more name recognition for
> his political future.
>
> Yeah, he has no shot against McCain, but, politically, it makes
> sense for him to stay in.
Thank you, Captain Obvious. The original poster's point -- "Do the
right thing." -- means, "Do what's best for the party and America,"
not what's best for Mike Huckabee. Do what's right INSTEAD OF what
you want. That's why it's called the "Right thing," not "What's in my
best personal political interests, regardless of how much it hurts my
party or my country."
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Thank you drive through.
Jon Enslin
> I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps try to
> force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or will
> happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
>
> Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
> staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk over a
> fire to be the VP.
>
> I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo male
vote?
Jon
trijcomm
The VP choice will be a bit bigger for McCain due to his age, but for
the most part it really doesn't make much difference. I personally
don't think having Huckabee on the ticket would hurt with
"conservatives." Huckabee's supporters describe themselves as "very
conservative." You hear a lot of bluster from the Limbaughs and
Hannities, but in the end the so-called "conservative" Romney didn't
win any major primaries outside his home areas. The only mistake
McCain can make is if he stupidly chooses Romney as his running mate.
Many social conservatives simply won't put up with him anywhere on the
ticket.
rich hammett
People like you make me want to get a chance to vote for Clinton.
Although I think your phrase describes Bush just as well.
rich
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trijcomm
Why do you want to see him drop out? It would be one of the most
cordial of campaigns ever. I don't see Huckabee hurting McCain at all.
Plus, Huckabee has promised he would stay in until the race is
officially over. If he did anything less, he would break that promise.
This is a chance for social conservatives to voice their support of
someone like Huckabee and let their voice be heard. I have no problem
with him remaining.
s0183616
> s0183616 <s018...@yahoo.com> woke up and had to finish this by
> hand:
>
>> Torrey M. Spears wrote:
>>> ... and bow out gracefully along with Romney. Give John McCain
>>> months to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the
>>> Republican base - bring Conservatives and Republicans together,
>>> force John McCain to issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear
>>> each other apart with Obama and Clinton.
>>>
>>> You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
>> Enh, I'm no Huckabee fan, but staying in makes sense for him.
>> As long and him and McCain keep up the lovefest, all that really
>> happens is that Huckabee gets more and more name recognition for
>> his political future.
>>
>> Yeah, he has no shot against McCain, but, politically, it makes
>> sense for him to stay in.
>
> Thank you, Captain Obvious. The original poster's point -- "Do the
> right thing." -- means, "Do what's best for the party and America,"
> not what's best for Mike Huckabee. Do what's right INSTEAD OF what
> you want. That's why it's called the "Right thing," not "What's in my
> best personal political interests, regardless of how much it hurts my
> party or my country."
But I don't think that it really is all that wrong for the party. As
long as the lovefest continues and they aren't upping spending like
crazy, what's the problem?
s0183616
Trust me, McCain will not pick Romney. Religious Repubs hate the
Mormons and McCain knows this.
s0183616
> In rec.sport.football.college s0183616 <s018...@yahoo.com> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>> Torrey M. Spears wrote:
>>> ... and bow out gracefully along with Romney. Give John McCain months
>>> to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the Republican base -
>>> bring Conservatives and Republicans together, force John McCain to
>>> issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear each other apart with Obama
>>> and Clinton.
>>>
>>> You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
>
>> Enh, I'm no Huckabee fan, but staying in makes sense for him. As long
>> and him and McCain keep up the lovefest, all that really happens is that
>> Huckabee gets more and more name recognition for his political future.
>
>> Yeah, he has no shot against McCain, but, politically, it makes sense
>> for him to stay in. Him and McCain just need to decide amongst
>> themselves to not waste a shitload of money fighting each other.
>
>> And I say this as someone who hates the idea of Huckabee in the WH more
>> than any other candidate excluding the fucking cunt bitch.
>
> People like you make me want to get a chance to vote for Clinton.
Go for it. If you don't hate her like I do, more power to you.
> Although I think your phrase describes Bush just as well.
Bush is 10000000x times worse the the fucking cunt bitch.
s0183616
I don't like Huckabee, but you are completely correct.
Butler To A Hottie
This point would be fair if McCain wasn't McCain. He is in a great
spot with independents and Moderate Democrats. He isn't Bob Dole. He
has two worries: Age and Conservative Base. I could see him picking
Thompson because it would help him a lot in the South, with
conservatives. Thompson would be good in that role during the
campaign. Yes the age factor is on the negative side, but I could see
McCain thinking the other benefits trump it.
If McCain picked the right guy in the South, it virtually locks the
November election for him vs Hillary, because all he would have to do
is win the Red States again, and he will smack Hillary up and down in
Ohio.
Obama might pose a different problem, but he is to the left of even
Hillary. Still he has the "movement" thing going. If he is the
nominee then McCain would have to go younger with the VP.
Jon Enslin
Huckabee would be a better choice all around for McCain. First, he
has proven he can actually win something. Second, he's younger.
Third, he would seem to actually want the job.
Jon
s0183616
He will really turn off people who have issues with someone who makes
every decision based on whatever religion they happen to have.
Of course, the flipside is that people who happen to agree with whatever
religion he happens to have (in this case, Christianity) will love him.
A very divisive figure.
Anthony Summers
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Butler To A Hottie
Exactly. McCain has to pick someone that satisfies conservatives
without ticking off the Moderate Dems. There aren't a ton of people
who fall into that category. Thompson is one of them. Charlie Crist
of Florida might do the trick as well. He is younger than he looks.
He's only 52
Matthew Hennig
6ac1aa...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
So there would be at least one conservative on the Republican ticket...
MH
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Jon Enslin
> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote in news:769ae86a-eb36-460e-8e2d-
> 6ac1aa5d9...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps try to
> >> force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or will
> >> happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
>
> >> Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
> >> staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk over a
> >> fire to be the VP.
>
> >> I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>
> > Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo male
> > vote?
>
> So there would be at least one conservative on the Republican ticket...
Huckabee is conservative.
Jon
s0183616
It doesn't matter if there's a "conservative" (how it's being crazily
defined in many different ways) on the ticket. 95% of people who are
hardcore Repubs are going to vote for the Repub candidate no matter who
it is.
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
> Hannities, but in the end the so-called "conservative" Romney didn't
> win any major primaries outside his home areas.
Indeed, we heard a lot of bluster from Limbaugh, Ann "I'll vote for
Hillary Against McCain," and other assorted right-wing nuts against
McCain (and for Thompson and Romney) and look where it got them. The
agents of intolerance in the Repub party are looking pretty impotent
today. Indeed, if you count the failures of Tancredo and Hunter, it
looks like the truly loony-right isn't getting much play even within
the Repub party.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
> On Feb 7, 3:07 pm, Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps try to
> > > force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or will
> > > happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
>
> > > Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
> > > staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk over a
> > > fire to be the VP.
>
> > > I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>
> > Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo male
> > vote?
>
> > Jon
>
> This point would be fair if McCain wasn't McCain. He is in a great
> spot with independents and Moderate Democrats. He isn't Bob Dole. He
> has two worries: Age and Conservative Base. I could see him picking
> Thompson because it would help him a lot in the South, with
> conservatives. Thompson would be good in that role during the
> campaign. Yes the age factor is on the negative side, but I could see
> McCain thinking the other benefits trump it.
>
> If McCain picked the right guy in the South, it virtually locks the
> November election for him vs Hillary, because all he would have to do
> is win the Red States again, and he will smack Hillary up and down in
> Ohio.
I live in Ohio, and while I think Obama has a better chance than
Hillary, I think Hillary has a good shot at winning this state. You
really have to understand how badly the Ohio Repubs have done things
lately. And Hillary doesn't need the "red states" -- she only needs
what Gore and Kerry got plus Ohio or Florida. -- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
> Obama might pose a different problem, but he is to the left of even
> Hillary. Still he has the "movement" thing going. If he is the
> nominee then McCain would have to go younger with the VP.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Butler To A Hottie
Romney's problem had nothing to do with with his positions, it had to
do with whether they were real positions or not. A lot like Bill
Clinton circa 1992 and 1996.
Thompson is hardly a "right wing nut".
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
Bill Clinton did pretty well in both those elections, but more to the
point, it's not just Romney: ALL the Repub candidates who the right-
wing talk jocks and religious right leaders were backing lost.
> Thompson is hardly a "right wing nut".
Thompson isn't a nut (I would guess he believes in evolution, for
example), but he's pretty far to the right on the substance. -- Joe
(n.j.) [mWo]
rich hammett
> Jon Enslin <jen...@charter.net> wrote in news:769ae86a-eb36-460e-8e2d-
> 6ac1aa...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>> On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps try to
>>> force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or will
>>> happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
>>>
>>> Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
>>> staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk over a
>>> fire to be the VP.
>>>
>>> I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>>
>> Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo male
>> vote?
> So there would be at least one conservative on the Republican ticket...
I don't think this is as effective as putting a "I AM STOOPID!"
sign on your forehead.
Matthew Hennig
No.
rich hammett
> news:d7a0590a-f82f-45fa...@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>> On Feb 7, 4:12 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
>>> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote in
>>> news:769ae86a-eb36-460e-8e2d-
>>> 6ac1aa5d9...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> > On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps try
>>> >> to force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or
>>> >> will happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
>>>
>>> >> Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
>>> >> staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk
>>> >> over a
>>
>>> >> fire to be the VP.
>>>
>>> >> I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>>>
>>> > Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo
>>> > male vote?
>>>
>>> So there would be at least one conservative on the Republican
>>> ticket...
>>
>>
>> Huckabee is conservative.
> No.
McCain is conservative, too.
But keep going, you clueless idiots are going to elect
Hillary Clinton as prez.
s0183616
Nope. The fucking cunt bitch has no chance.
rich hammett
Your mom sez to stop talking like that.
LongRodSilver
<nwoph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 7, 3:03 pm, s0183616 <s0183...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Torrey M. Spears wrote:
>
>> And I say this as someone who hates the idea of Huckabee in the WH more
>> than any other candidate excluding the fucking cunt bitch.
>
>The problem is, Huckabee has no chance (y. VKM) of getting in the
>White House.
>He's behind in delegates, he's done with the south where his
>constituency resides -
>McCain appeals to the moderate Republicans and independents in the
>upcoming primaries and caucuses...
>I mean, realistically, the White House is a pipe dream for the
>Huckster.
>
>Granted, Huckabee and McCain don't sound like they're going to go
>after each other like Clinton Obama once did -
>but it doesn't serve the Conservative base to have McCain and McCain
>Lite (as many see Huckabee) on the ticket together.
>
>- TMS
>Paging Condoleeza Rice, you're wanted for a position as VP, paging
>Condoleeza Rice...
Negros don't like Condi.. not "black enough"..
Meaning what? She didn't have 3 or 4 bastard kids?
She didn't grow up in the welfare system sucking on the teat of Uncle
Sam ?
She went to school!!?
I wish someone would snatch one of these jackasses up the next time
they say that shit on a talk show and make 'em "'splain" why shes not
"black enough".. and what they have against her..
LongRodSilver
<rburn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I thought McCain might pick Thompson, but he has been invisible lately
>so maybe that isn't a consideration.
His campaign manager told me that he's (Thompson) going to be the
running mate.. that Mc and Fred are best friends and the RNC sees it
as a "True conservative on the ticket to offset the GOPers that
consider Mc as centrist or even Liberal Republican"..
LongRodSilver
"jsl...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu" <jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>agents of intolerance
Would that be the blacks that ONLY vote for other blacks and the
whites that ONLY vote for other whites? You mean the way the votes
have split among racial lines in the Dim party?
Yeah.. I knew you were..
LongRodSilver
wrote:
> "What's in my
>best personal political interests, regardless of how much it hurts my
>party or my country."
Sounds like what's printed on the inside of the DNC office!!
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
"s0183616" <s018...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Georgia Christians split three ways over Huckabee, Romney, and McCain. Huck
didn't push his religion, he pushed the FairTax. "Kill the IRS" became a
rallying cry and he took the state because of it. I know it kills you, but
the ones obsessed with religion in this election aren't in the Huckabee
camp.
LG (Huckamaniac)
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s0183616
?
You gotta agree the Evangelicals love Huckabee, right? Isn't his
religion one of the reasons you like him? I'm pretty sure it's a big
reason why trij likes him.
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"rich hammett" <bubba...@warmmail.com> wrote in message
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Huckabee is a social Conservative, McCain is a national security/foreign
relations Conservative (save that amnesty thing), and Romney is a fiscal
Conservative. None of them are the whole package, and therein lies the rub.
> But keep going, you clueless idiots are going to elect
> Hillary Clinton as prez.
Not if we can beat McCain into shape by then.
LG (looking for Tom DeLay)
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~~~~
Your judgement points are pretty amusing.
"He believes in sleeping lizmunks! He MUST be sane!"
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Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
> You hear a lot of bluster from the Limbaughs and
>> Hannities, but in the end the so-called "conservative" Romney didn't
>> win any major primaries outside his home areas.
>
> Indeed, we heard a lot of bluster from Limbaugh, Ann "I'll vote for
> Hillary Against McCain," and other assorted right-wing nuts against
> McCain (and for Thompson and Romney) and look where it got them. The
> agents of intolerance in the Repub party are looking pretty impotent
> today.
Yes, we know. That's why EVERY news program has mentioned Rush at least five
times in the last week, because he's has no influence. That's why McCain is
anxiously telling Sean Hannity to "calm down", because nobody pays attention
to Hannity.
Hunter and Tancredo never got the press to have a serious chance. Thompson
didn't have the energy (and really, who could blame him?). Rudy dropped out
just as thoroughly as the others and except for Hannity he received hardly
any Conservative praise.
I'm not even going to throw the "Romney and Huckabee split the Conseravtive
vote" card. What took out Romney and put McCain over the top is the GOP's
winner-take-all crap. If it was delegate by delegate, and I give the dems
credit for that, then we'd be a lot closer to a three way dance than we are
as is.
You can go on doubting Rush and Sean if you want, but trust me, McCain would
be ill advised to.
LG (Great American Dittohead with a Healthy Radio Addiction to the Church of
the Painful Truth)
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
> rich hammett wrote:
>> In rec.sport.football.college s0183616 <s018...@yahoo.com> sanoi,
>> hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:
>>>> ... and bow out gracefully along with Romney. Give John McCain months
>>>> to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the Republican base -
>>>> bring Conservatives and Republicans together, force John McCain to
>>>> issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear each other apart with Obama
>>>> and Clinton.
>>>>
>>>> You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
>>
>>> Enh, I'm no Huckabee fan, but staying in makes sense for him. As long
>>> and him and McCain keep up the lovefest, all that really happens is that
>>> Huckabee gets more and more name recognition for his political future.
>>
>>> Yeah, he has no shot against McCain, but, politically, it makes sense
>>> for him to stay in. Him and McCain just need to decide amongst
>>> themselves to not waste a shitload of money fighting each other.
>>
>>> And I say this as someone who hates the idea of Huckabee in the WH more
>>> than any other candidate excluding the fucking cunt bitch.
>>
>
> Go for it. If you don't hate her like I do, more power to you.
>
>> Although I think your phrase describes Bush just as well.
>
> Bush is 10000000x times worse the the fucking cunt bitch.
How far up your ass is that bug?
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s0183616
>
Are you referring to my hatred of GWB?
Very, very far up my ass. I hate the guy. With a passion.
Jon Enslin
> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote innews:d7a0590a-f82f-45fa...@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 4:12 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
> >> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote in
> >> news:769ae86a-eb36-460e-8e2d-
> >> 6ac1aa5d9...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps try
> >> >> to force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it should or
> >> >> will happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is gaming for.
>
> >> >> Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain by
> >> >> staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would walk
> >> >> over a
>
> >> >> fire to be the VP.
>
> >> >> I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>
> >> > Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo
> >> > male vote?
>
> >> So there would be at least one conservative on the Republican
> >> ticket...
>
> > Huckabee is conservative.
>
> No.
Yes, the southern baptist preacher, creationist believing former
Arkansas governor isn't a conservative because he once raised taxes.
Clearly a liberal.
Jon
Matthew Hennig
> On Feb 7, 5:29 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
>> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote
>> innews:d7a0590a-f82f-45fa-b8fd-c207
> 98ed...@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 7, 4:12 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
>> >> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote in
>> >> news:769ae86a-eb36-460e-8e2d-
>> >> 6ac1aa5d9...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> >> > On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps
>> >> >> try to force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it
>> >> >> should or will happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is
>> >> >> gaming for.
>>
>> >> >> Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to gain
>> >> >> by staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though would
>> >> >> walk over a
>>
>> >> >> fire to be the VP.
>>
>> >> >> I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>>
>> >> > Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo
>> >> > male vote?
>>
>> >> So there would be at least one conservative on the Republican
>> >> ticket...
>>
>> > Huckabee is conservative.
>>
>> No.
>
>
> Yes, the southern baptist preacher, creationist believing former
> Arkansas governor isn't a conservative because he once raised taxes.
>
> Clearly a liberal.
And his policies on immigration? And law and order?
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> ... and bow out gracefully along with Romney. Give John McCain months
> to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the Republican base -
> bring Conservatives and Republicans together, force John McCain to
> issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear each other apart with Obama
> and Clinton.
>
> You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
As in the other thread I think Huck should pick Romney as his VP. You say
the hate each other but, man, what a powerhouse combo!
That said I think Huckabee would be better used as a thorn in McCain's side
to keep him honest and tuned up for debates. Plus as long as the race is
still on I can retain hope...
LG (Huckamaniac)
s0183616
>
I don't know what to say to this. LG's hopes are sooo doomed, but I
don't mind him rooting until the very end.
trijcomm
These guys are just entertainers and columnists. They don't move
votes. Someone might use their comments to buttress their own beliefs,
but these folks don't form the ideas of America. If that were the
case, then McCain would have never gotten to where he is now. Somebody
may claim that Thompson, Romney, Huckabee et. al. split the
conservative vote and allowed McCain to win with a smidgeon of the
conservative vote and all the moderate vote, but one must remember
that there wasn't a true Reagan conservative running this year. Also,
liberal Republicans who have run in the past have been ousted fairly
early in the game when they were running with a very conservative
field and even though they split the more conservative vote, the
liberal Republican didn't last long. The fact that Ingraham, Limbaugh,
Hannity, Coulter and Hewitt may not vote for McCain means just one
thing -- McCain loses five votes. Maybe. After all, you don't know
what these folks really do once the curtain closes. Maybe Obama will
finally understand that when his poll numbers seem like they are off
the charts but in actuality are "meh."
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
The publicized ones do. As I said tho in Georgia it didn't necessarily help
him.
>Isn't his religion one of the reasons you like him?
Only because it really, really pisses off the libs and moderate Repubs!
Seriously, I support him because of the FairTax. Everything else in his
platform is acceptable to me, but not necessarily my first choice.
>I'm pretty sure it's a big reason why trij likes him.
I take it you missed our Romney vs. McCain arguements? He wanted McCain as a
backup because of Romney's "flip-flop" on abortion. I wanted Romney for
pretty much everything else.
LG
trijcomm
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>
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Hillary will win Ohio, Pa. and Texas. Lots of establishment-type, blue
collar folks there. I saw Karl Rove crunch the delegate numbers
regarding what's left and he said Clinton would ultimately win out.
s0183616
> On Feb 7, 4:34 pm, "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu"
> <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>> You hear a lot of bluster from the Limbaughs and
>>
>>> Hannities, but in the end the so-called "conservative" Romney didn't
>>> win any major primaries outside his home areas.
>> Indeed, we heard a lot of bluster from Limbaugh, Ann "I'll vote for
>> Hillary Against McCain," and other assorted right-wing nuts against
>> McCain (and for Thompson and Romney) and look where it got them. The
>> agents of intolerance in the Repub party are looking pretty impotent
>> today. Indeed, if you count the failures of Tancredo and Hunter, it
>> looks like the truly loony-right isn't getting much play even within
>> the Repub party.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
>
> These guys are just entertainers and columnists. They don't move
> votes.
Oh, come on, of course they do. Maybe not tons of votes, but a
significant number.
> thing -- McCain loses five votes. Maybe. After all, you don't know
> what these folks really do once the curtain closes.
They will vote for McCain. They are liars if they say otherwise. Just
wait and see how they are talking in October.
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"LongRodSilver" <de...@backofyourmothersthroat.net> wrote in message
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You forgot the women who are voting for the woman because she is a woman...
LG
--
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should surrender, and you're officially a Democratic candidate for
president. - Ann Coulter
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
Fred is pro-FairTax and I think McCain said he'd consider it so this MIGHT
be okay...
s0183616
I do admit that I haven't been paying very close attention.
I will say, I am intrigued by the fair tax thing.
s0183616
Keep praying that this happens. If it does, you'll have a guaranteed
Repub pres unless there's a very convincing 3rd party who takes more
Repub voters than Dem votes along with Indies.
s0183616
>
> news:l8dnq352aidqajpem...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:46:12 -0800 (PST), Butler To A Hottie
>> <rburn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought McCain might pick Thompson, but he has been invisible lately
>>> so maybe that isn't a consideration.
>>
>>
>> His campaign manager told me that he's (Thompson) going to be the
>> running mate.. that Mc and Fred are best friends and the RNC sees it
>> as a "True conservative on the ticket to offset the GOPers that
>> consider Mc as centrist or even Liberal Republican"..
>
> Fred is pro-FairTax and I think McCain said he'd consider it so this
> MIGHT be okay...
I could be OK with this. Not gung ho, but definitely no major issues
beyond McCain's psuedo-warmongerness (but I can get over that, I think
he's just supporting even though rhetoric may say otherwise).
the Bede
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winner is not. in 2004 Kerry v. Edwards was the #1 story for a month, but
after Edwards withdrew Kerry was dropped a mile down the charts, because he
was less newsworthy. then the news was free to focus on other things, and
Kerry soon lost his hypotherical advantage v. W.
whichever race ends first this time, the winner is in trouble.
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
Just remember, it's not designed to raise taxes. It's not designed to lower
them either. It's designed to simplify the hell out of them.
Citizens have no more tax forms.
Corporations have no more tax forms.
Merchants have one equation - 23% of their retail sales. Done!
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
Also known as: "The only way a Clinton can win.".
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
NY Gaints, Man, NY Gaints...
s0183616
Which I support.
A flat tax is intriguing, definitely. One of the reason I like Ron Paul
is that he was looking at something along the same lines.
s0183616
>
Yep.
Bill Lang
(summers...@yah00.com) wrote
> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 13:07:45 -0800 (PST), Jon Enslin wrote...
>
>> On Feb 7, 2:46 pm, Butler To A Hottie <rburnbot...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I think Huckabee is angling to be a power broker and perhaps
>> > try to force McCain into picking him as VP. Not saying it
>> > should or will happen, but I think that is what Huckabee is
>> > gaming for.
>> >
>> > Romney knows he isn't going to be the VP and has little to
>> > gain by staying in. He looks a lot bigger. Huckabee though
>> > would walk over a fire to be the VP.
>> >
>> > I thought McCain might pick Thompson,
>>
>>
>> Why the hell would McCain pick Thompson? To wrap up the 60+ yo
>> male vote?
>
> The Law & Order Fan vote, obviously.
>
Well, I wouldn't vote for Thompson though I would have voted for
Arthur Branch.
--
wjlmuttatyeahwhodotcom
"I before E except after C, and E before N in chicken"
rich hammett
Heh. I've heard Boortz selling it that way. It's full of crap,
of course. Like somebody else said, if it passes, only idiots
will buy ANYTHING retail. There'll be plenty of need for
exceptions and enforcement mechanisms, just like now.
rich
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I'd've considered either of them. Also, his unwillingness to
do the stupid things was another huge selling point to me.
trijcomm
> "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!" <lord...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:13qnlhk...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Torrey M. Spears" <nwophoe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:f5bf6a43-acc0-4058...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > ... and bow out gracefully along with Romney. Give John McCain months
> > > to prepare by announcing his cabinet, rally the Republican base -
> > > bring Conservatives and Republicans together, force John McCain to
> > > issue a mea culpa -and watch the Left tear each other apart with Obama
> > > and Clinton.
>
> > > You're not going to win, Mike. Do the right thing.
>
> > As in the other thread I think Huck should pick Romney as his VP. You say
> > the hate each other but, man, what a powerhouse combo!
>
> > That said I think Huckabee would be better used as a thorn in McCain's
> side
> > to keep him honest and tuned up for debates. Plus as long as the race is
> > still on I can retain hope...
>
> > LG (Huckamaniac)
>
> something to remember on both the D and R sides -- a race is newsworthy; a
> winner is not. in 2004 Kerry v. Edwards was the #1 story for a month, but
> after Edwards withdrew Kerry was dropped a mile down the charts, because he
> was less newsworthy. then the news was free to focus on other things, and
> Kerry soon lost his hypotherical advantage v. W.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, Kerry didn't lose his lead until the Dem convention lost two
points for him and Bush got a small bounce that stuck out of his
convention.
Randolph M. Jones
I support the idea of something like the fair tax. But you have to be
careful about saying things like it won't raise taxes. *Any* tax
simplification is going to change the formula so that some people pay
less tax and some people pay more. And that's why I don't believe any
tax simplification is ever going to pass.
Jon Enslin
> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote innews:9d8d7f21-e005-43e0...@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 5:29 pm, Matthew Hennig <ma...@aggies.No_JuNk.com> wrote:
> >> Jon Enslin <jens...@charter.net> wrote
> >> innews:d7a0590a-f82f-45fa-b8fd-c207
From his website:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=26
In summary...build a fence...kick out the illegals in 120 days...no
amnesty...come down on the employers of illegal immigrants. Yeah,
another liberal agenda right there.
Jon
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
<lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu" <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote in
> messagenews:cae3f02e-3885-4f26...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You hear a lot of bluster from the Limbaughs and
> >> Hannities, but in the end the so-called "conservative" Romney didn't
> >> win any major primaries outside his home areas.
>
> > Indeed, we heard a lot of bluster from Limbaugh, Ann "I'll vote for
> > Hillary Against McCain," and other assorted right-wing nuts against
> > McCain (and for Thompson and Romney) and look where it got them. The
> > agents of intolerance in the Repub party are looking pretty impotent
> > today.
>
> times in the last week, because he's has no influence. That's why McCain is
> anxiously telling Sean Hannity to "calm down", because nobody pays attention
> to Hannity.
>
> Hunter and Tancredo never got the press to have a serious chance. Thompson
> didn't have the energy (and really, who could blame him?). Rudy dropped out
> just as thoroughly as the others and except for Hannity he received hardly
> any Conservative praise.
>
> I'm not even going to throw the "Romney and Huckabee split the Conseravtive
> vote" card. What took out Romney and put McCain over the top is the GOP's
> winner-take-all crap. If it was delegate by delegate, and I give the dems
> credit for that, then we'd be a lot closer to a three way dance than we are
> as is.
>
> You can go on doubting Rush and Sean if you want, but trust me, McCain would
> be ill advised to.
For the record, and in all seriousness, I don't doubt that Rush and
Sean and their ilk do have some real influence. But not as much as
they thought, or wanted, at least not this time -- and that's a GOOD
thing. -- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
> LG (Great American Dittohead with a Healthy Radio Addiction to the Church of
> the Painful Truth)
> --
> If you wonder how it came to be generally acknowledged "fact," accepted by
> all men of good will, that Joe McCarthy was a monster, that Alger Hiss was
> innocent, that mankind is causing global warming and that we're losing the
> war in Iraq, try watching the rewriting of history nightly on MSNBC. - Ann
> Coulter
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
> On Feb 7, 4:34 pm, "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu"
>
> <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
> > You hear a lot of bluster from the Limbaughs and
>
> > > Hannities, but in the end the so-called "conservative" Romney didn't
> > > win any major primaries outside his home areas.
>
> > Indeed, we heard a lot of bluster from Limbaugh, Ann "I'll vote for
> > Hillary Against McCain," and other assorted right-wing nuts against
> > McCain (and for Thompson and Romney) and look where it got them. The
> > agents of intolerance in the Repub party are looking pretty impotent
> > today. Indeed, if you count the failures of Tancredo and Hunter, it
> > looks like the truly loony-right isn't getting much play even within
> > the Repub party.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
>
> These guys are just entertainers and columnists. They don't move
> votes. Someone might use their comments to buttress their own beliefs,
> but these folks don't form the ideas of America. If that were the
> case, then McCain would have never gotten to where he is now.
Sure, but it's not "either/or, all or nothing" like that. They have
*some* influence on voters, but not as much as they thought or had
hoped, at least not this time around.
Somebody
> may claim that Thompson, Romney, Huckabee et. al. split the
> conservative vote and allowed McCain to win with a smidgeon of the
> conservative vote and all the moderate vote, but one must remember
> that there wasn't a true Reagan conservative running this year.
"Reagan conservative" is a term that has become increasingly
meaningless -- people pick certain parts of Reagan's policies and
claim they were central to the "legacy." Remember the 1986
Immigration Reform Act? Is supporting things like that being a
"Reagan conservative"? I could go on with other contrary examples,
but I'm sure we'll here more on this from the right in coming months
and years. Anyway, this year, the Repubs certainly didn't have anyone
with RR's rhetorical skills, but as to policy, many of the Repubs were
pretty close in many ways.
Also,
> liberal Republicans who have run in the past have been ousted fairly
> early in the game when they were running with a very conservative
> field and even though they split the more conservative vote, the
> liberal Republican didn't last long. The fact that Ingraham, Limbaugh,
> Hannity, Coulter and Hewitt may not vote for McCain means just one
> thing -- McCain loses five votes. Maybe. After all, you don't know
> what these folks really do once the curtain closes. Maybe Obama will
> finally understand that when his poll numbers seem like they are off
> the charts but in actuality are "meh."
I don' t think for one second that Coulter will actually vote for
Hillary. But I do think McCain has a bit of a problem with his base
-- not just five votes.
By the way, FWIW, your political posts have seemed much less
"trollish" lately. Not that I agree with your choice of candidates or
your positions on issues, but your arguments are much more related to
reality than they used to be. So, depending on your intentions when
posting, either "congrats" or "you're slipping." -- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
<lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "LongRodSilver" <d...@backofyourmothersthroat.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ufgnq39fh073gtu8n...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:34:42 -0800 (PST),
> > "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu" <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>
> >>agents of intolerance
>
> > Would that be the blacks that ONLY vote for other blacks and the
> > whites that ONLY vote for other whites? You mean the way the votes
> > have split among racial lines in the Dim party?
Actually, votes haven't split along racial lines in the Dem party. A
significant number of whites are voting for Obama. There's a bit more
of a gender split. But according to one poll I read, the biggest
factor in the Dem primaries so far is roughly economic class -- the
less educated are going more for Hillary, the more educated for Obama.
> > Yeah.. I knew you were..
>
> You forgot the women who are voting for the woman because she is a woman...
I'm sure there are some women voters for whom Hillary being a woman is
a plus. But this comment always makes me laugh, given the long
tradition of men voting for candidates because they were men. -- Joe
(n.j.) [mWo]
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
>
> - Show quoted text -
There seems to be some confusion above, or at least there's a
difference between what I was saying and what Trij was apparently
saying. I was saying Hillary or Obama could win Ohio in the *general*
election, and thus have a good shot to win it all. -- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
the Bede
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it was a long, slow decline -- first the lack of news coverage, then letting
the Swiftboaters set the agenda, then the lame convention that was about
Vietnam instead of Afghanistan. plus, oh yeah, Rove and company signing up
ten million new voters.
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So you honestly believe that Joe Sixpack or Susie Homemaker is going to go
thru the hassle of tracking down items they need in the great black market
of evil instead of just stopping off at Wal-Mart on the way home? You live
in a really fucked up world, Dude...
>There'll be plenty of need for
> exceptions
No.
>and enforcement mechanisms,
Yes, but, like the tax itself, they will be much less complicated.
>just like now.
No.
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I didn't say it wouldn't, I said it wasn't designed to. Not every item
currently has a set amount of taxes built in like it would with the FairTax.
Some prices will go up, some will go down. The point is that the govt as a
whole will still take in about the same amount of taxes, and 23% is the
starting point for that. Maybe it can be lowered when everything equals out.
Maybe it will have to be raised. Either way the evidence will be right there
on your receipt and the average citizen will be better able to keep tabs on
it.
>*Any* tax simplification is going to change the formula so that some people
>pay less tax and some people pay more.
Agreed.
>And that's why I don't believe any tax simplification is ever going to
>pass.
Nobody believed we would stop the Amnesty Bill either...
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"Jon Enslin" <jen...@charter.net> wrote in message
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From his website:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=26
~~~
In fairness, Numbers USA, a closed borders group, has rated him 'Poor' on
past performance and either 'Good' or 'Great' (I forget) on future promises.
Consider tho that immigration is a federal problem and as a governor he
played the hand he was dealt.
LG (doesn't agree, but understands)
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On Feb 7, 11:20 pm, "Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!"
<lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "LongRodSilver" <d...@backofyourmothersthroat.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ufgnq39fh073gtu8n...@4ax.com...
>
> > On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:34:42 -0800 (PST),
> > "jsla...@NOutnet.utoledoSPAM.edu" <jsla...@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>
> >>agents of intolerance
>
> > Would that be the blacks that ONLY vote for other blacks and the
> > whites that ONLY vote for other whites? You mean the way the votes
> > have split among racial lines in the Dim party?
Actually, votes haven't split along racial lines in the Dem party. A
significant number of whites are voting for Obama. There's a bit more
of a gender split. But according to one poll I read, the biggest
factor in the Dem primaries so far is roughly economic class -- the
less educated are going more for Hillary, the more educated for Obama.
> > Yeah.. I knew you were..
>
> You forgot the women who are voting for the woman because she is a
> woman...
I'm sure there are some women voters for whom Hillary being a woman is
a plus. But this comment always makes me laugh, given the long
tradition of men voting for candidates because they were men. -- Joe
(n.j.) [mWo]
~~~~
So you're saying two wrongs make a right?
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
No, although given that women have been and still are quite under-
represented in positions of political leadership, I have some sympathy
to women who are enthused by Hillary in part because she's a women.
But as my archives will reflect, I was for Edwards and now I'm for
Obama. And that's not 'cause they are guys.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
trijcomm
>
> - Show quoted text -
Be careful for what you wish for. Remember, you are probably in a
nice, high tax bracket. Obama/Clinton see you as evil since you kind
of folk have never paid your fair share.
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
> > No, although given that women have been and still are quite under-
> > represented in positions of political leadership, I have some sympathy
> > to women who are enthused by Hillary in part because she's a women.
> > But as my archives will reflect, I was for Edwards and now I'm for
> > Obama. And that's not 'cause they are guys.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Be careful for what you wish for. Remember, you are probably in a
> nice, high tax bracket. Obama/Clinton see you as evil since you kind
>
> - Show quoted text -
I appreciate your faith in my finances. But honestly, I would have to
be doing a whole lot better than I am to have gotten any significant
benefit from the tax cuts to the top 1% that many Dems want to roll
back in order to start fixing the huge budget deficit Bush and the
Repub Congress have created.
By the way, is that entirely trollish comment a response to me telling
you that you had been less trollish lately? -- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
> >
>> > No, although given that women have been and still are quite under-
>> > represented in positions of political leadership, I have some sympathy
>> > to women who are enthused by Hillary in part because she's a women.
>> > But as my archives will reflect, I was for Edwards and now I'm for
>> > Obama. And that's not 'cause they are guys.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]- Hide
>> > quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Be careful for what you wish for. Remember, you are probably in a
>> nice, high tax bracket. Obama/Clinton see you as evil since you kind
>> of folk have never paid your fair share.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I appreciate your faith in my finances. But honestly, I would have to
> be doing a whole lot better than I am to have gotten any significant
> benefit from the tax cuts to the top 1% that many Dems want to roll
> back in order to start fixing the huge budget deficit Bush and the
> Repub Congress have created.
I just love that "roll back" euphamism. "Roll back"... classic.
Hey, Dumbass! You do realize that the tax cuts have INCREASED revenue
collected by the govt, right? JFK did it. Reagan did it. And now Bush has
done it. If you want to talk overspending as a problem I'm with you all the
way, but to keep rehashing this "We need to raise ta, oh, pardon me, roll
back tax cuts!" as a fix to the deficit is nothing short of retarded.
"Hey! It's never worked before but let's try it again!"
jsl...@utnet.utoledo.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> > No, although given that women have been and still are quite under-
> >> > represented in positions of political leadership, I have some sympathy
> >> > to women who are enthused by Hillary in part because she's a women.
> >> > But as my archives will reflect, I was for Edwards and now I'm for
> >> > Obama. And that's not 'cause they are guys.-- Joe (n.j.) [mWo]- Hide
> >> > quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> Be careful for what you wish for. Remember, you are probably in a
> >> nice, high tax bracket. Obama/Clinton see you as evil since you kind
> >> of folk have never paid your fair share.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I appreciate your faith in my finances. But honestly, I would have to
> > be doing a whole lot better than I am to have gotten any significant
> > benefit from the tax cuts to the top 1% that many Dems want to roll
> > back in order to start fixing the huge budget deficit Bush and the
> > Repub Congress have created.
>
> I just love that "roll back" euphamism. "Roll back"... classic.
>
> Hey, Dumbass!
Not a good way to start a conversation. Right-wing talking points
snipped, but you might want to look at the deficit numbers. -- Joe
(n.j.) [mWo]
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
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Stop being a dumbass then. You can point to all the degrees on your wall
that you want but when you blame the deficit on the tax cuts that's just
clueless.
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Right-wing talking points
snipped, but you might want to look at the deficit numbers. -- Joe
(n.j.) [mWo]
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See? When ruvenue collected GOES UP and the deficit doesn't close then you
have to CUT SPENDING!!! Bush's tax cuts RAISED the money collected by the
govt. Do you understand this? The government got MORE MONEY at the lower tax
rates. This is not a "right-wing talking point", this is a rock solid
numerical fact. The Congress, yes, the GOP Congress sadly, spent even more
money than the revenue INCREASE could cover, and so we have deficits. The
Dem Congress, elected on the promise of fixing this, hasn't done a damn
thing to help either. If you "roll back" the tax cuts then productivity will
suffer, revenue collected will GO DOWN, and the deficit will INCREASE.
LG (doesn't consider "JFK proved it." a right-wing talking point either)
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"The United States is like a giant boiler. When the fire is finally lighted
under it, there is no limit to the power it can generate." - Winston
Churchill
mdcu...@insightbb.com
<lord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Randolph M. Jones" <rjo...@soartech.com> wrote in messagenews:6ZmdnczLacH70DHa...@gwi.net...
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> > Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
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> >>news:QNQqj.14112$EZ3....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> >>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
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> >>>>news:LwPqj.54904$Pv2....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
> >>>>> Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback! wrote:
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> >>>>>> the IRS" became a rallying cry and he took the state because of it. I
> >>>>>> know it kills you, but the ones obsessed with religion in this
> >>>>>> election aren't in the Huckabee camp.
>
> >>>>> ?
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> >>>>> You gotta agree the Evangelicals love Huckabee, right?
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> >>>> The publicized ones do. As I said tho in Georgia it didn't necessarily
> >>>> help him.
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> >>>>> Isn't his religion one of the reasons you like him?
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> >>>> Only because it really, really pisses off the libs and moderate Repubs!
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Fairtax is a farce. Ive been studying it for months now -- and I hope
it passes anyway. Its a total farce, but we need it.
We need to tax nursing home patients 30,000 dollars a year. I dont
care if they are on medicare, and only make 600 month anyway, lets tax
them 2,500 a month. Great idea. I want to see how that works/
We need to tax cancer patients 50,000 dollars for their surgery and
chemo. I don't care if they lose their homes paying this tax. Lets
tax them 50k -- even if they die from cancer. Then lets tax the
funeral 4,000. Great idea. I want to see how that works.
We need to tax renters (yes all rent is taxed) I dont care if
renters don't know they will be taxed, and their rent will go up
30-60%. Lets tax renters -- even those getting fed subsidized rent.
There are 38 million renters, and we want to piss every one of them
off. Great idea. I want to see how that works.
We need to tax insurance premiums - car insurance, life insurance, all
insurance. I dont care if almost no one realizes all insurance
premiums are taxed -- lets do it. I want to see how that works.
We need to tax the next Space Shuttle 3 billion, and the next aircraft
carrier 4 billion. We need to tax the Pentagon 300 billion. Great
idea. I dont care if its impossible for the govt to really pay
itself a tax. I want to pretend it can. Great idea, I want to see how
that works./
Lord Gow333, Conservative Fullback!
<mdcu...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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Again, you're an idiot if you think those taxes don't already exist.
In your case you're probably an idiot anyway.
LG
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Visit www.fairtax.org , sign the petition, and make America what it could
be.
Foobar
> funeral 4,000. Great idea. I want to see how that works.
>
> We need to tax renters (yes all rent is taxed) I dont care if
> renters don't know they will be taxed, and their rent will go up
> 30-60%. Lets tax renters -- even those getting fed subsidized rent.
> There are 38 million renters, and we want to piss every one of them
> off. Great idea. I want to see how that works.
>
> We need to tax insurance premiums - car insurance, life insurance, all
> insurance. I dont care if almost no one realizes all insurance
> premiums are taxed -- lets do it. I want to see how that works.
>
> We need to tax the next Space Shuttle 3 billion, and the next aircraft
> carrier 4 billion. We need to tax the Pentagon 300 billion. Great
> idea. I dont care if its impossible for the govt to really pay
> itself a tax. I want to pretend it can. Great idea, I want to see how
>
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>Fairtax is a farce. Ive been studying it for months now -- and I hope
>it passes anyway. Its a total farce, but we need it.
What? It's a farce but we need it? This is both an Oxymoron and a
Parodox.
The rest of the rant has been ignored.