Why are WWF and wrestling no longer so "cool"?
The Big Crapper
Almost ever teenager on the street, when I talk to them about wrestling will
say "I'm just waiting for Stone Cold to come back." Or some even in the past
tense "Stone Cold was the man, too bad he's gone."
Austin made wrestling cool to kids and young adults alike.
The Rock, while he is thought of as "cool" is not as cool to them as Austin, as
in a sense, he is "Cheezier" or whatever.
Austin got them watching. If/when he returns will he bring them back in
droves?
HHH obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them to move
the belt off of him ASAP.
So what do you do? More wrestling? Don't kid yourself, that's not the answer
to getting ratings. More T&A (not test and albert) I sure hope not, but it may
come to that.
Why is it losing its popularity (besides that its been popular for a while....)
and what can/will be done to try to get it back?
Personally, I"ll go with Austin. After all, if it wasn't for Austin, goldberg
wouldn't have been half as popular himself.
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ShawMic
>move
>the belt off of him ASAP.
He hasn't helped? He has been the WWF's #1 main eventer all year and he's
maintained and even raised the ratings the WWF was doing when Austin was
around.
Adam Short
>
>HHH obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them to
>move
>the belt off of him ASAP.
Correction:
The Rock obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them to
move him out of the main event ASAP.
I don't have good enough mic skills for a sig.
The Big Crapper
>maintained and even raised the ratings the WWF was doing when Austin was
>around.
>
No. After his initial push HHH himself has done nothing for ratings. Face it,
when HHH is put out there, he doesn't draw the fans. Only when he is the 2nd
man in a big feud (foley vs HHH or pre Backlash Rock vs HHH) does he draw in
the viewers. That wasn't on his head, it was on theirs. Now, he is champ by
himself, and even his feud with the rock has died down, so its on his head
Bill Elder
>No. After his initial push HHH himself has done nothing for ratings. Face
>it,
>when HHH is put out there, he doesn't draw the fans. Only when he is the 2nd
>man in a big feud (foley vs HHH or pre Backlash Rock vs HHH) does he draw in
>the viewers. That wasn't on his head, it was on theirs. Now, he is champ by
>himself, and even his feud with the rock has died down, so its on his head
That makes no sense. IMO it's the McMahons fault. Everyone says "They're the
most consistent heat drawers..etc." but talking to people I know say they don't
want to see a 50 year old guy talking for 30 minutes. It sucks. They suck. They
need to leave. They don't.
Face it, the time the WWF has been the most entertaining AND drawing the
highest (Austin's return withstanding) was in January and Feburary. Look who
wasn't there..
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>>machti...@aol.com (The Big Crapper)
>
>>
>>HHH obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them to
>>move
>>the belt off of him ASAP.
>
>Correction:
>
>The Rock obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them
>to
>move him out of the main event ASAP.
>
...................rrright...................
Maybe the fans are tired of seeing THE ROCK play the role of HHH's bitch for
the past 14 months...
Back to the original topic, the WWF is doing poorly in the ratings??? How so???
Aren't they still averaging 6.0s week in and week out??? I don't check the
ratings every week (cause I really don't care all that much) but I think the
WWF is still doing pretty well in the ratings...
Not better than RRRRRRRRRRRRRollerJAM!!! but they still are doing pretty
well...
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> >
> >No. After his initial push HHH himself has done nothing for ratings.
Face
> >it,
> >when HHH is put out there, he doesn't draw the fans. Only when he is the
2nd
> >man in a big feud (foley vs HHH or pre Backlash Rock vs HHH) does he draw
in
> >the viewers. That wasn't on his head, it was on theirs. Now, he is
champ by
> >himself, and even his feud with the rock has died down, so its on his
head
>
> That makes no sense. IMO it's the McMahons fault. Everyone says "They're
the
> most consistent heat drawers..etc." but talking to people I know say they
don't
> want to see a 50 year old guy talking for 30 minutes. It sucks. They suck.
They
> need to leave. They don't.
>
> Face it, the time the WWF has been the most entertaining AND drawing the
> highest (Austin's return withstanding) was in January and Feburary. Look
who
> wasn't there..
Is HHH really more over than Austin in your fucked up little world?
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It's not about who has the most stroke with the boss--HHH
I don't think I need a union to help me count my money--Mick Foley
I think it's (McMahon Helmsley era) a fabolous storyline--Chyna
So now when a guy really does retire it's like,oh yeah,sure. I mean there's
no dignity to it anymore--Mick Foley
Only the referee had to know--Shawn Michaels
It wouldn't be good business for me to be romantically involved with anyone
in this business--Stephanie McMahon
I took steroids only when they were legal--Vince McMahon
You can't trust a wrestler--Ric Flair
Mark Smart
news:20000624104418...@ng-df1.aol.com...
> arky...@aol.comonbabay (Adam Short) wrote:
>
>
> >>machti...@aol.com (The Big Crapper)
> >
> >>
> >>HHH obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them
to
> >>move
> >>the belt off of him ASAP.
> >
> >Correction:
> >
> >The Rock obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect
them
> >to
> >move him out of the main event ASAP.
> >
>
> ...................rrright...................
>
> Maybe the fans are tired of seeing THE ROCK play the role of HHH's bitch
for
> the past 14 months...
>
> Back to the original topic, the WWF is doing poorly in the ratings??? How
so???
> Aren't they still averaging 6.0s week in and week out??? I don't check the
> ratings every week (cause I really don't care all that much) but I think
the
> WWF is still doing pretty well in the ratings...
They did a 400,000 buy rate for JD (lowest in a year), they scored a 5.8 for
Raw with one quarter hour scoring a 4.7 and no quarter hour in the first
hour breaking the 5.5 mark, and they scored a 4.2 for Smackdown (lowest in
history)
And I don't buy the NBA shit either, since the WWF has gone up against
Monday Night Football games that have scored twice as high as the NBA Finals
did (17.5) and they never affected ratings by that margin.
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It's not about who has the most stroke with the boss--HHH
I don't think I need a union to help me count my money--Mick Foley
I think it's (McMahon Helmsley era) a fabolous storyline--Chyna
So now when a guy really does retire it's like,oh yeah,sure. I mean there's
no dignity to it anymore--Mick Foley
Only the referee had to know--Shawn Michaels
It wouldn't be good business for me to be romantically involved with anyone
in this business--Stephanie McMahon
I took steroids only when they were legal--Vince McMahon
You can't trust a wrestler--Ric Flair
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Bill Elder
>the
>> most consistent heat drawers..etc." but talking to people I know say they
>don't
>> want to see a 50 year old guy talking for 30 minutes. It sucks. They suck.
>They
>> need to leave. They don't.
>>
>> Face it, the time the WWF has been the most entertaining AND drawing the
>> highest (Austin's return withstanding) was in January and Feburary. Look
>who
>> wasn't there..
>
>Is HHH really more over than Austin in your fucked up little world?
>
Where did I ever say that? I said that people are so much tired of HHH or the
Rock as they are tired of the McMahons.
Rufus-R
with him. I think they are tring to recapture this with
the Underbiker gimmick. Thing is Underbiker doesn't
bring much to the ring.
--
RufusR Certified Wrestling Expert
"The Big Crapper" <machti...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> My answer: Stone Cold.
>
> Almost ever teenager on the street, when I talk to them about wrestling
will
> say "I'm just waiting for Stone Cold to come back." Or some even in the
past
> tense "Stone Cold was the man, too bad he's gone."
>
> Austin made wrestling cool to kids and young adults alike.
>
> The Rock, while he is thought of as "cool" is not as cool to them as
Austin, as
> in a sense, he is "Cheezier" or whatever.
>
> Austin got them watching. If/when he returns will he bring them back in
> droves?
>
> HHH obviously isn't helping ratings one bit at this point, expect them to
move
> the belt off of him ASAP.
>
> So what do you do? More wrestling? Don't kid yourself, that's not the
answer
> to getting ratings. More T&A (not test and albert) I sure hope not, but
it may
> come to that.
>
> Why is it losing its popularity (besides that its been popular for a
while....)
> and what can/will be done to try to get it back?
>
>
> Personally, I"ll go with Austin. After all, if it wasn't for Austin,
goldberg
> wouldn't have been half as popular himself.
>
The Silver Pump a Dump Rides Again.
>From: "Mark Smart" smar...@hotmail.com
>They did a 400,000 buy rate for JD (lowest in a year)
10/17/99 No mercy = .88
9/26/99 unforgiven = 1.02
7/25/99 fully loaded = .94
http://www.otherarena.com/
>And I don't buy the NBA shit either, since the WWF has gone up against
>Monday Night Football games that have scored twice as high as the NBA Finals
>did (17.5) and they never affected ratings by that margin.
there is a slight difference between the NBA FINALS getting the target audience
of wrestling than MNF which LOST the target audience to wrestling .
>and they scored a 4.2 for Smackdown (lowest in
>history)
http://www.otherarena.com/htm/cgi-bin/ratingshistory.cgi?smackdown,1999,ra
tings,direct,
ahh no it didn't , christ people the ratings are down since it is SUMMER and
ratings do go down.If smackdown was on during last year summer you may get a
good indication of what is going, since you don't and anyone who follows
television knows that during the summer ratings go down, why do you think the
major networks rarely put new stuff on? Its not worth the time nor the money
to do it.
the share of the audience watching smackdown was off by 1 point and 99% likely
they won in their respective target audience category(18-35, 25-54 and 12-17)
If when FALL comes around and the ratings are down you have a case, until then
you are just talking.
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who (n.N.) just came in and fucked shit up. I think that Rock comes off as the
cool guy. Forgive the terms, but Austin was more of a " hell raiser ". Think of
it in high school terms:
Rock = The cool guy
Austin = The Tough Guy, Bad ass
DudleyBoy
> Stone Cold does bring a large trailer park audience
> with him. I think they are tring to recapture this with
> the Underbiker gimmick. Thing is Underbiker doesn't
> bring much to the ring.
>
Thats true, Mark Calloway (I don't call him the Undertaker anymore,
because hes NOT "The Undertaker" anymore) was packaged with the redneck
biker gimmick to bring back the mainly southern audience that Stone Cold had
such a large hold on. And, they're appealing to a younger audience with the
use of The "American Badass" enterance music. But, that in itself, isn't
really doing that much to raise the weekly numbers. What would be an
interesting idea (and a markout moment for most of RSPW) would be the
"return" of The original Undertaker, or at least the Undertaker that was
seen up until the 98 Royal Rumble. He was over, maybe even more-so than
"american badass" version we see today. I'm sure more than a few fans would
be a lot happier with the Undertaker of old. I know i'd rather see it than
the tobacco-spittin, southern-drawlin' punch-machine version seen now.
Testify.
Mark Smart
>
> >From: "Mark Smart" smar...@hotmail.com
>
> >They did a 400,000 buy rate for JD (lowest in a year)
> 10/17/99 No mercy = .88
> 9/26/99 unforgiven = 1.02
> 7/25/99 fully loaded = .94
> http://www.otherarena.com/
Well,OK 8 months
> >And I don't buy the NBA shit either, since the WWF has gone up against
> >Monday Night Football games that have scored twice as high as the NBA
Finals
> >did (17.5) and they never affected ratings by that margin.
>
> there is a slight difference between the NBA FINALS getting the target
audience
> of wrestling than MNF which LOST the target audience to wrestling .
WWF put higher numbers against the NBA finals last year
> >and they scored a 4.2 for Smackdown (lowest in
> >history)
>
> http://www.otherarena.com/htm/cgi-bin/ratingshistory.cgi?smackdown,1999,ra
> tings,direct,
Yeah,ok
But still one of the lowest for Smackdown.
> ahh no it didn't , christ people the ratings are down since it is SUMMER
and
> ratings do go down.If smackdown was on during last year summer you may get
a
> good indication of what is going, since you don't and anyone who follows
> television knows that during the summer ratings go down, why do you think
the
> major networks rarely put new stuff on? Its not worth the time nor the
money
> to do it.
>
> the share of the audience watching smackdown was off by 1 point and 99%
likely
> they won in their respective target audience category(18-35, 25-54 and
12-17)
> If when FALL comes around and the ratings are down you have a case, until
then
> you are just talking.
That doesn't wash.
The WWF didn't lose ratings last summer, in fact the ratings for Raw
INCREASED during the summer last year.
Face it, if any other TV show had defied logic and insulted it's viewers
intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to cancellation.
--
____________________________________________________________________________
__________________________
It's not about who has the most stroke with the boss--HHH
I don't think I need a union to help me count my money--Mick Foley
I think it's (McMahon Helmsley era) a fabolous storyline--Chyna
So now when a guy really does retire it's like,oh yeah,sure. I mean there's
no dignity to it anymore--Mick Foley
Only the referee had to know--Shawn Michaels
It wouldn't be good business for me to be romantically involved with anyone
in this business--Stephanie McMahon
I took steroids only when they were legal--Vince McMahon
You can't trust a wrestler--Ric Flair
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Mark Smart
> >From: rufi...@aol.com-uhh (Bill Elder)
>
> >Ripclawe, do you even realize you're contradicting yourself? You said
ratings
> >go down during the summer,
>
> yes they do, but "mark smart" was going on about RAW ratings increased in
the
> summer which it didn't on a whole, the trend for RAW was between 7.13 and
4.24
> at the end of august. its didn't increase that much over what it did
before and
> after summer. in some cases went down.
1999 Raw Season
Show Hour 1 Hour 2 Composite
01/04/99 WWF Raw 5.71 5.82 5.74
01/11/99 WWF Raw 5.52 5.54 5.53
01/18/99 WWF Raw 5.34 5.83 5.60
01/25/99 WWF Raw 5.74 5.21 5.53
02/01/99 WWF Raw 5.64 5.94 5.81
02/13/99 WWF Raw 3.84 4.81 4.30
02/15/99 WWF Raw 6.12 5.73 5.94
02/22/99 WWF Raw 5.63 5.54 5.60
03/01/99 WWF Raw 6.44 6.32 6.40
03/08/99 WWF Raw 6.53 6.41 6.44
03/15/99 WWF Raw 5.84 5.83 5.84
03/22/99 WWF Raw 6.44 6.42 6.43
03/29/99 WWF Raw 6.64 6.43 6.54
04/05/99 WWF Raw 5.53 6.14 5.83
04/12/99 WWF Raw 6.44 6.21 6.33
04/19/99 WWF Raw 5.74 6.42 6.10
04/26/99 WWF Raw 5.84 6.13 6.00
05/03/99 WWF Raw 5.94 6.92 6.43
05/10/99 WWF Raw 7.82 8.44 8.13
05/17/99 WWF Raw 5.64 7.12 6.40
05/24/99 WWF Raw 7.24 7.13 7.20
05/31/99 WWF Raw 5.84 6.72 6.33
06/07/99 WWF Raw 6.43 6.94 6.60
06/14/99 WWF Raw 6.54 6.81 6.64
06/21/99 WWF Raw 5.94 6.12 6.03
06/28/99 WWF Raw 6.43 7.24 6.83
07/05/99 WWF Raw 5.74 6.21 6.03
07/12/99 WWF Raw 5.42 6.53 6.00
07/19/99 WWF Raw 6.04 6.53 6.31
07/26/99 WWF Raw 6.92 7.34 7.13
08/02/99 WWF Raw 5.84 5.93 5.90
08/09/99 WWF Raw 6.23 6.54 6.40
08/16/99 WWF Raw 6.44 6.83 6.62
08/23/99 WWF Raw 5.64 5.72 5.70
08/30/99 WWF Raw 4.23 4.24 4.24
09/06/99 WWF Raw 4.64 4.23 4.43
09/13/99 WWF Raw 5.74 6.23 6.02
09/20/99 WWF Raw 5.94 6.21 6.10
09/27/99 WWF Raw 6.54 7.01 6.81
10/04/99 WWF Raw 5.94 5.92 5.93
10/11/99 WWF Raw 6.04 6.13 6.14
10/18/99 WWF Raw 5.54 5.30 5.42
10/25/99 WWF Raw 5.53 5.64 5.60
11/01/99 WWF Raw 5.93 5.94 5.94
11/08/99 WWF Raw 5.14 5.63 5.41
11/15/99 WWF Raw 6.34 6.24 6.31
11/22/99 WWF Raw 5.52 5.60 5.54
11/29/99 WWF Raw 6.32 6.74 6.53
12/06/99 WWF Raw 5.63 6.34 6.02
12/13/99 WWF Raw 6.13 6.10 6.12
12/20/99 WWF Raw 5.53 6.14 5.82
12/27/99 WWF Raw 5.60 6.11 5.90
> if he wants to say that WWF numbers are in a downward sprial, there has to
be a
> trend downwards, it hasn't started yet on RAW or Smackdown. You can't
compare
> smackdown summer ratings to last year because there aren't any.
>
>
>
>
> >>>Face it, if any other TV show had defied logic and insulted it's
viewers
> >>>intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to
cancellation.
> >>>
> >>
> >>in your opinion.
> >>
> >
> >No, that's a fact.
>
> in your opinion since its not booked in the way you would think which
would
> probably bankrupt any fed.
Twin Peaks was more linear in it's second season than Raw currently is.
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It's not about who has the most stroke with the boss--HHH
I don't think I need a union to help me count my money--Mick Foley
I think it's (McMahon Helmsley era) a fabolous storyline--Chyna
So now when a guy really does retire it's like,oh yeah,sure. I mean there's
no dignity to it anymore--Mick Foley
Only the referee had to know--Shawn Michaels
It wouldn't be good business for me to be romantically involved with anyone
in this business--Stephanie McMahon
I took steroids only when they were legal--Vince McMahon
You can't trust a wrestler--Ric Flair
The Silver Pump a Dump Rides Again. <ripc...@aol.commesowe> wrote in
message news:20000625222033...@ng-ch1.aol.com...
> >From: rufi...@aol.com-uhh (Bill Elder)
>
> >Ripclawe, do you even realize you're contradicting yourself? You said
ratings
> >go down during the summer,
>
> yes they do, but "mark smart" was going on about RAW ratings increased in
the
> summer which it didn't on a whole, the trend for RAW was between 7.13 and
4.24
> at the end of august. its didn't increase that much over what it did
before and
> after summer. in some cases went down.
> if he wants to say that WWF numbers are in a downward sprial, there has to
be a
> trend downwards, it hasn't started yet on RAW or Smackdown. You can't
compare
> smackdown summer ratings to last year because there aren't any.
>
>
>
>
> >>>Face it, if any other TV show had defied logic and insulted it's
viewers
> >>>intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to
cancellation.
> >>>
> >>
> >>in your opinion.
> >>
> >
> >No, that's a fact.
>
> in your opinion since its not booked in the way you would think which
would
> probably bankrupt any fed.
The Silver Pump a Dump Rides Again.
>rom: "Mark Smart" smar...@hotmail.com
>That doesn't wash.
>The WWF didn't lose ratings last summer, in fact the ratings for Raw
>INCREASED during the summer last year.
summer just started wait till a tread starts before saying that.
>Face it, if any other TV show had defied logic and insulted it's viewers
>intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to cancellation.
>
in your opinion.
Bill Elder
>>The WWF didn't lose ratings last summer, in fact the ratings for Raw
>>INCREASED during the summer last year.
>
>summer just started wait till a tread starts before saying that.
Ripclawe, do you even realize you're contradicting yourself? You said ratings
go down during the summer, and seeing how it's just the beginning of the
summer, one would expect ratings to go even LOWER in the next few months
(according to you). But you tell him to "wait for a trend" like you said they
would go up during the summer.
>>Face it, if any other TV show had defied logic and insulted it's viewers
>>intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to cancellation.
>>
>
>in your opinion.
>
No, that's a fact.
The Silver Pump a Dump Rides Again.
>Ripclawe, do you even realize you're contradicting yourself? You said ratings
>go down during the summer,
yes they do, but "mark smart" was going on about RAW ratings increased in the
summer which it didn't on a whole, the trend for RAW was between 7.13 and 4.24
at the end of august. its didn't increase that much over what it did before and
after summer. in some cases went down.
if he wants to say that WWF numbers are in a downward sprial, there has to be a
trend downwards, it hasn't started yet on RAW or Smackdown. You can't compare
smackdown summer ratings to last year because there aren't any.
>>>Face it, if any other TV show had defied logic and insulted it's viewers
>>>intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to cancellation.
>>>
>>
>>in your opinion.
>>
>
>No, that's a fact.
in your opinion since its not booked in the way you would think which would
probably bankrupt any fed.
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The Big Crapper
>>>intelligence the way the WWF has lately, it would be close to cancellation.
>>>
>>
>>in your opinion.
>>
>
>No, that's a fact.
Its not a fact at all, I don't understand this comment one bit. Doesn't south
park insult people's intelligence? heck, the NBA insults people's
intelligence. These aren't as good of choices as wrestling.
But, in terms of logic, don't you think WCW defies logic a lot more? Having
Reid Flair in main events alone should cancell a show........
Bill Elder
>south
>park insult people's intelligence?
That's a comedy show. The point of it is to be stupid. Not a...whateverthegenre
wrestling's supposed to be.
>heck, the NBA insults people's
>intelligence
Any defiance of logic in the NBA is different to the fact that isn't fixed (or
so we are led to believe).
> These aren't as good of choices as wrestling.
Zuh?
>But, in terms of logic, don't you think WCW defies logic a lot more?
And how many times have we seen "WCW will be out of business in one month"
posted here?
Speed King
after paying $30 for that lump of shit tonight , i think your question answered
itself.
Bill Elder
Avg. Raw rating Jan-May: 5.99
Avg. Raw ratings Jun-Aug: 6.33