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D-Chance.

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May 14, 2003, 8:49:16 AM5/14/03
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The 25 BEST American comic book covers:

http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover2.htm

And the 12 WORST:

http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover3.htm

I've lost all respect for Lucas McCain... ;)

D-Chance.


Krusty

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"D-Chance." <dch...@cox-internet.com> wrote

> The 25 BEST American comic book covers:
>
> http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover2.htm

I have 7 of those.

I have NONE of those.


Nightcrawler

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May 14, 2003, 10:40:11 AM5/14/03
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> I have 7 of those.


I have a reprint of *one*. i should be ashamed...


Setzer

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May 14, 2003, 11:18:45 AM5/14/03
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Good god almighty...that Rifleman cover is just creepy...

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Lee MacBride

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May 14, 2003, 11:25:19 AM5/14/03
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>> I have 7 of those.
>
>
>I have a reprint of *one*. i should be ashamed...
>
>

I guess I have 2. The Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns covers but I have the
TPB's so I guess that doesn't count.
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"Lee MacBride" <vincemo...@aol.comtravolta> wrote

> I guess I have 2. The Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns covers but I have
the
> TPB's so I guess that doesn't count.

I'm a HUGE war comics fan. I've got complete runs of Sgt Fury, Two Fisted
Tales, Our Army At War, etc. It's the war comics that I have...


Freezer

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May 14, 2003, 1:25:40 PM5/14/03
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> The 25 BEST American comic book covers:
>
> http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover2.htm

Hmm... 25 greatest ever, and a whopping *3* of them post-1980.

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May 14, 2003, 2:04:14 PM5/14/03
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I'm gonna have nightmares now.

Stefan

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May 14, 2003, 2:55:34 PM5/14/03
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LOL

Why isn't that on the best covers list?


Stefan


Lee MacBride

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May 14, 2003, 3:02:36 PM5/14/03
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I would've liked to have seen a Preacher cover in there. Too bad they only put
one Detective Comics in but I can see why. Detective has always been one of my
favourite comics.
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Satyr

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May 14, 2003, 6:19:49 PM5/14/03
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Not enough Kirby.


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Nightcrawler

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May 14, 2003, 4:30:21 PM5/14/03
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> Not enough Kirby.


kirby was overrated.

(dodges housebrick)


GregoryD

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May 14, 2003, 6:04:17 PM5/14/03
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"D-Chance." <dch...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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> The 25 BEST American comic book covers:
>
> http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover2.htm

Action #1 should be #1.

Also, the cover of Batman holding a criminal while swinging over Gotham
should be there, as well as the first Hulk cover.

The combined Kingdom Come and the redone Crisis of Infinite Earths cover
(Ross)
should definitely be on here as well. Also to be included is the Crisis
cover featuring
Superman holding his dead cousin.

GregoryD


Satyr

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May 14, 2003, 9:58:22 PM5/14/03
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Hello, "Nightcrawler" <nightcr...@blueyonder.co.uk> Let's Talk,
Why Not :

>> Not enough Kirby.
>
>
>kirby was overrated.
>
>(dodges housebrick)

No, he wasn't.

(attempts to throw brick... misses... lands on foot)

Krusty

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May 14, 2003, 10:17:22 PM5/14/03
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"Satyr " <jac...@autobahn.mb.ca> wrote
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> Not enough Kirby.

Hear Hear. I'd nominate a whole slew of FF covers from one until about the
80s.


Satyr

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May 15, 2003, 12:44:23 AM5/15/03
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Hello, "Krusty" <kru...@sc.rr.com> Let's Talk, Why Not :

This is one of my favourites:
http://www.chivian.com/chivian/Avengers4.gif
I used to have this book years and years ago. Wished I'd saved
all those from my youth. Woulda made a mint. *sigh*

Big Deeksie Cooler

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May 14, 2003, 10:50:22 PM5/14/03
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best art is warrior comics

Krusty

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May 14, 2003, 11:25:04 PM5/14/03
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"Satyr " <jac...@autobahn.mb.ca> wrote

> This is one of my favourites:
> http://www.chivian.com/chivian/Avengers4.gif
> I used to have this book years and years ago. Wished I'd saved
> all those from my youth. Woulda made a mint. *sigh*

My personal fave:
http://www.samcci.comics.org/fantasticfour/049.htm


Satyr

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May 15, 2003, 1:44:04 AM5/15/03
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Hello, "Krusty" <kru...@sc.rr.com> Let's Talk, Why Not :

>"Satyr " <jac...@autobahn.mb.ca> wrote

Excellent. Galactus was a cool heel. Silver Surfer was sort of
a whiner, though.
Anything with Dr. Doom on the cover of FF was a must buy for me
back in the day.

Assassin

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May 15, 2003, 12:03:25 AM5/15/03
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Shit, I remember getting the Lois Lane one when it came out.


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May 15, 2003, 1:04:21 AM5/15/03
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"D-Chance." <dch...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
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> The 25 BEST American comic book covers:
>
> http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover2.htm
>
> And the 12 WORST:
>
> http://web2.chicagonet.net/%7Eatlas/cover3.htm

It needs more Kirby, and definitely a Perez or two--maybe Crisis #12--I've
always marked for that cover I'd also nominate the "Gwen Stacy" death cover,
where Spidey is yelling "WHICH ONE OF YOU IS GOING TO DIE?!" against a
backdrop of pictures of his friends and family, and the Romita cover which
shows Spidey turning his back on Parker.

Brian Bolland rules it, BTW.


Lee MacBride

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May 15, 2003, 5:16:24 AM5/15/03
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>Also, the cover of Batman holding a criminal while swinging over Gotham

Detective Comics #27? Yeah that one rules!

>the redone Crisis of Infinite Earths cover
>(Ross)
>should definitely be on here as well. Also to be included is the Crisis
>cover featuring
>Superman holding his dead cousin.

I agree with both. I have the TP. It's a great story and awesome George Perez
art.

Lee MacBride

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May 15, 2003, 5:17:49 AM5/15/03
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>Brian Bolland rules it, BTW.

Hell yeah! Batman: The Killing Joke should've been on here. The cover with
Joker holding the camera and he says "Smile".

Nightcrawler

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May 15, 2003, 6:30:44 AM5/15/03
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> No, he wasn't.

The only thing that appeals to me about Kirby's art doing the sixties (that
everyone seems to mark over) is that the guy was doing around ten books at
the same time... over 200 pages a month. Thats impressive, however, the art
in those pages wasnt all that... especially considering what Ditko and
Romita, and even Don Heck did in the same decade...


Satyr

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May 15, 2003, 11:39:36 AM5/15/03
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Hello, "Nightcrawler" <nightcr...@blueyonder.co.uk> Let's Talk,
Why Not :

>> No, he wasn't.

Liked Ditko. He had an unique style suited for Dr. Strange and
Spider-Man. Don't remember Romita. Never cared for Don Heck or Gil
Kane.
Kirby was probably the most influential and prolific comic
artist of all time. You can see a lot of Kirby in Steranko's work.
I wonder why no one mentions Neal Adams in the discussion of
great comic art?

Krusty

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May 15, 2003, 10:44:45 AM5/15/03
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"Satyr " <jac...@autobahn.mb.ca> wrote

> I wonder why no one mentions Neal Adams in the discussion of
> great comic art?

Oh sure, Neal Adams is a god of comic art, probably the best outside of
frazetta, but I don't recall any memorable Adams covers...


Stefan

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May 15, 2003, 11:32:35 AM5/15/03
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Didn't he do the GL/GA cover with Speedy and the needle?


Stefan


Nightcrawler

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May 15, 2003, 12:49:15 PM5/15/03
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> Liked Ditko. He had an unique style suited for Dr. Strange and
> Spider-Man.

Using Ditko was a masterstroke, because he didnt seem too specialise in
drawing huge burly characters like Kirby and Buscema were know for, so with
guys like Spidey and Dr Strange, who were supposed look a little scrawny, he
put them over really well.

>Don't remember Romita.

Romita took over Spidey when Ditko walked out, and also did Daredevil and
Fantastic Four after Kirby went. He also did the Spider-Man newspaper strip
very releuctantly for years... he probably (im not sure) appeared in one of
the "imagine Stan Lee creating" books from last year.

>Never cared for Don Heck or Gil Kane.

I liked Don Heck because his art on Avengers was more detailed than Kirby's,
but then Buscema went and blew him away. Must confess i havent seen any Gil
Kane

> I wonder why no one mentions Neal Adams in the discussion of
> great comic art?

John Byrne puts him over a lot in his interviews. However, it depends what
you think of John Byrne.

Assassin

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May 15, 2003, 8:54:08 PM5/15/03
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On Wed, 14 May 2003 12:34:24 -0400, "Krusty" <rspwk...@yahoo.com>

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>"Lee MacBride" <vincemo...@aol.comtravolta> wrote

Wasn't Two Fisted Tales done by EC comics?
You know, the same guys that had the horror comics that lead to the
comics code being created?

Assassin

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On Wed, 14 May 2003 21:30:21 +0100, "Nightcrawler"
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>> Not enough Kirby.


>
>
>kirby was overrated.
>
>(dodges housebrick)
>

You heretic.

Assassin

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May 15, 2003, 9:00:41 PM5/15/03
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On Thu, 15 May 2003 15:32:35 GMT, "Stefan" <stef...@sbcglobal.net>

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He did the series back then.
Don't remember if he did the cover too.

double t

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vincemo...@aol.comtravolta (Lee MacBride) wrote in
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I've always loved the "GOthem by gaslight" cover

Dubba T
Mike Mignola i think

double t

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mark...@newsguy.com wrote in news:ba071...@drn.newsguy.com:

> In article <3ec3b2e7...@news.autobahn.mb.ca>,
> jac...@autobahn.mb.ca says...


>>
>>Hello, "Nightcrawler" <nightcr...@blueyonder.co.uk> Let's Talk,
>>Why Not :
>>
>>>> No, he wasn't.
>>>
>>>The only thing that appeals to me about Kirby's art doing the sixties
>>>(that everyone seems to mark over) is that the guy was doing around
>>>ten books at the same time... over 200 pages a month. Thats
>>>impressive, however, the art in those pages wasnt all that...
>>>especially considering what Ditko and Romita, and even Don Heck did
>>>in the same decade...
>>
>> Liked Ditko. He had an unique style suited for Dr. Strange and
>>Spider-Man. Don't remember Romita.
>

> I really liked Steve Ditko's artwork, even the Captain Atom, Blue
> Beetle, The Question work that he did for Charlton. I even have a
> copy of his own-published Mr. A comic. Romita took over from Ditko
> on (that is, John Romita; I believe John Romita Jr. also did later
> work on Spidey).


>
>>Never cared for Don Heck or Gil Kane.
>

> I too didn't care for Don Heck even though he was the main artist
> for Iron Man in the early days. But I liked Gil Kane's work,
> especially his Green Lantern work and his Increadible Hulk (I
> believe Gil Kane was the artist when the Abomination was introduced).
> I have a copy of the paperback "BlackMark" somewhere which was
> something like an early graphic novel by Kane.


>
>> Kirby was probably the most influential and prolific comic
>>artist of all time. You can see a lot of Kirby in Steranko's work.
>

> Steranko acknowledges Kirby's influence in a couple places but as
> Steranko's work evolved, especially with Nick Fury/Shield and
> Captain American he developed more of his own style with overtones
> from other artists (e.g., Wally Wood, particularly is representing
> background machinery).


>
>> I wonder why no one mentions Neal Adams in the discussion of
>>great comic art?
>

> Hard to say. I guess a lot of the young'uns don't remember his work
> on Deadman or the X-Men or the Green Lantern/Green Arrow books. I
> have mixed feelings about his work. I think that some of it is really
> great but a lot of it seems just above average.

>
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>

I just finished rereading my reprints of the GL/GA neal adams stuff

Dubba T
plus adams lost alot of cred with continuity

double t

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"Krusty" <kru...@sc.rr.com> wrote in
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He did a great one for the first GL/GA issue of the old GL run

Dubba T

Krusty

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"Assassin" <assa...@tehawk.com> wrote

> Wasn't Two Fisted Tales done by EC comics?
> You know, the same guys that had the horror comics that lead to the
> comics code being created?

Absolutely. I've got a TON of EC comics. Vault of Horror, Two Fisted Tales,
Weird Science-Fantasy, etc. They're great comics. I've even got a
frazetta-cover WSF.

I go thru phases that last for months and months and months where I'll just
buy one certain type of book. A "war" phase, or a Superman phase, etc. I'm
currently in a "Brave & Bold" phase. I'm only buying Brave & Bolds now.

Ever read seduction of the innocent by Frederic Wertham? *That's* what
really prompted the CCA, but the book is basically *about* EC comics. 90% of
the examples they use came directly from William Gaines' books.


Krusty

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May 15, 2003, 10:41:55 PM5/15/03
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"double t" <dub...@bob4.com> wrote

> I've always loved the "GOthem by gaslight" cover
>
> Dubba T
> Mike Mignola i think

oooh, mignola...now *there's* a good Batman artist...


Assassin

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>"Assassin" <assa...@tehawk.com> wrote


>> Wasn't Two Fisted Tales done by EC comics?
>> You know, the same guys that had the horror comics that lead to the
>> comics code being created?
>
>Absolutely. I've got a TON of EC comics. Vault of Horror, Two Fisted Tales,
>Weird Science-Fantasy, etc. They're great comics. I've even got a
>frazetta-cover WSF.
>

The company that later launched MAD magazine.
A lot of those stories were used in the HBO series, ":Tales From The
Crypt", of which I was a mark for. The closing credits of each
episode used to say which mag it was from which is why I remember the
"Two Fisted Tales" title. I think they used stories from all of their
mags, even the westerns.
8 seasons of EC comics based stories, 7 seasons of "Tales" and the
last from "Perversions of Science" (Weird Science).

double t

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"Krusty" <kru...@sc.rr.com> wrote in
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Also Kelly Jones did some great Detective or Batman covers

Dubba T
Kelly jones=AHHHHHHHHHHHH

phil ponder

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May 16, 2003, 2:27:34 AM5/16/03
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up and coming and a damn good read to boot!!

Lee James MacBride

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May 16, 2003, 6:11:41 AM5/16/03
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>Also Kelly Jones did some great Detective or Batman covers
>
>Dubba T
>Kelly jones=AHHHHHHHHHHHH

He also did Batman/Dracula: Red Rain. an awesome awesome book, imo. Kelley
Jones rules it.
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