Reaction To Racial Slur On Survivor Series
M Mottola!(I'll Miss You Eddie Guerrero. VIVA LA RAZA!)
I would have expected more from you on this topic than just a glance, and
I'm a bit disappointed Mr.Meltzer, b/c I hold you in such high esteem.
I'm sure that sum may have just gaped in shock others may have brushed it
off as simply Vince being Vince.
But as a African American my only reaction to Vince's comment to John Cena
was exactly what Booker T did and that's kinda scary. I was so dumbfounded
by the out and out idiocy of such a comment that all I could think
was....Tell me he didn't just say that.
Is Vince McMahon racist I doubt it, is Vince ignorant or an uneducated
swine, no. Is Vince one of those who believe in the Nigger and Nigg-A
concept....maybe.
You could make an argument that Vince thought it was okay to say niggA, b/c
that sterotypical slang is okay, but then again stereotypes are the bread
and butter of black wrestlers by looking at the number of active black
wrestlers to those who are given a push in a major company with out being
stereotyped.
On my list I got Lashley, and Shelton Benjamin. I mean Rock was in the
nation, same could be said for Farooqu but he did get the big strap in WCW.
Booker T plays Chicken George even with out the Harlem Heat deal, Teddy Long
does not talk like that in real life at least not when I've met him, and
Monty Brown is nothing more than a Jimmy Rooster act. And I'm not even
touching Mark Henry, or D'lo or the trash they did with Scorpio and
GodFather.
But then again this isn't really about stereotyping wrestlers b/c that's
just what a small minded booker is going to do, just like anyone else who
doesn't know diddle about something they will grasp to the most
stereotypical molds. (see Mexican, Japanese, or foreign wrestlers)
I don't think what Vince said last night is anything to go on a march about,
or to start protesting, quite frankly Katie Vick still puts this type of
thing to shame.
But I don't think it should be overlooked at what happened. Vince set this
whole thing up himself, first having the plain to see white John Cena who is
of course doing a street image with a hip hop edge to it. So Vince is
playing on the whole wigger concept of whites who act....black, even though
that concept is even more offensive b/c it suggests that talking ignorant,
wearing garish and sometimes ugly clothing and being loud and obnoxious, and
oh yes flashing bling all over the place is the hallmark of your average
black man.
But I digress, so Cena is playing wigger so Vince plays into it by using a
bit of "slang" type talk and getting real "jive" in his mannerisms, then he
throws out the line and walks away with either his typical strut or his
attempt at a "ghetto stride" then to safely put it into context he makes
sure to get himself a black man in there sort of to sanction the comment.
Meaning that Vince all along knew this was going to be offensive, and he
knew it was going to be controversial and he knew it was going to make
people go what the hell. B/c I promise you despite popular belief or what
Carlos Mencia, or Dave Chapelle say or might like to think, people using the
N word is still justifiable reason to kick someone's ass on the spot no
questions asked.
Its bad enough that a vibrant and meaningful art form inherent to black
culture is considered accurately represented by low life, ignorant,
uneducated, dancing puppets we call rappers, who perpetuate completely
degrading and utterly offensive images of who black people are today in
America, and so they can get on a CD and shout out Nigger 50 times before
they ever get to the second song, and people assume all black folks find
this word socially acceptable.
But that's a HUGE misnomer, Nigger, Nigga, Nucca, Nagro, My Niga they are
all offensive and any self respecting African American would not tolerate
the use of a name directly designed to degrade and disrespect us as human
beings.
Only complete idiots and wastes of space who spend their time rolling blunts
instead of going to school or getting a job think that term is okay and I
have gotten into more than one fight with another black b/c he thought it
was okay to call me niggA.
And this is I'm sure why Vince did it, not b/c he was bumping Young Jeezy or
50 cent or whoever the next cookie cutter monkey with a base line is, but
b/c he saw the use of niggA as acceptable and made him hip and daring.
Well it was most certainly daring I'll give him that, the real problem was
not Vince saying it. But in why he would think to say it.
If you watch most "black" entertainment in this modern day it is created by
white people. BET is owned and run by white people, most "hood" movies are
written and produced by white people, the whole concept of what is black in
America is still created by white people.
The movie Hollywood Shuffle by Robert Townsend is a comedy that skewers the
black actor's stereotypes in Hollywood at the time. However it still holds
true today sum 15 years later and its scary. Sure blacks no longer play the
Pimps and Chicken George's, now their relegated to gangster, thug, druggie,
rapist, killer, convict, or athlete...(well we kinda did that to ourselves
but still).
And for every Rock who did break clean of that stereotype image, there is a
Monty Brown, for every Shelton Benjamin there is a Booker T, and its not
like now a days is better than the past, is there any difference b/c u can
look at Koko, or JYD or Slick (remember him) with only Virgil being the
exception that comes to mind right now and that's only after he PLAYED A
SERVANT!!
And while Monty and Booker and the rest in the end are over and stay over
b/c of their talent, it was some cock of the walk rooster act, or ghetto
talking bug eyed deal, or uncle tom act that got them there.
Its hard as an African American who has grown up watching wrestling to
stomach that this is the only real images that are given of black athletes
in the industry I love. The argument for Ahmed Johnson's and guys like
Lashly is that they are big bodies so creative doesn't fall back on racial
stereotypes b/c being big monsters sells better.
But it is sometimes hurtful to see not only that this is all bookers can
think of but that the general audience of predominately white accept it.
On your site most of the feedback with Survivor Series had ZERO to do with
what Vince said. Even you Dave brushed it off as Vince JUST TRYING TO BE
HIP!!! but my god he used a word that is completely designed to degrade us
to the level of animals.
What would u have said if he said kyke, is that a socially acceptable word,
what if it was, what if the only way a Jew in wrestling could get a break is
if he was the Kosher Krusher, or the Helacious Heb, or the Da Shnoz, or
Mr.Mench(spell check on those). The only way bookers used him as a heel was
b/c he was so cheap, or he only looked out for his own. What if that was the
sum of Jews in pro-wrestling a bunch of silly and nasty stereotypes, how
would u feel if Vince dropped the K bomb and all you had was Barry Horrowitz
saying "Oi! did he just say that!"
Here's the point, I'm not going to go as far as to say I'm defending Vince
but I will say that you cannot blame Vince for thinking this a cool or hip
or comedic thing to do. At least you cant get mad at Vince before you get
mad at Hollywood, and even more so before you get mad at the music industry
which has done and will continue to do more harm and be more offensive to
the image of African Americans in this culture than any one liner Vince is
ever going to throw out.
Was it stupid for Vince to say what he said at Survivor Series, yeah it was.
Was it offensive...well if it had been Booker-T saying it, the whole thing
would still have been controversial, but with Vince saying it, your damn
right this was completely offensive.
Should Vince apologize....no he should not, he went out of his way to do
something he thought was funny and shocking, he went 1 out of 2 on it and it
could have been worse. It is, however, deplorable that an educated, wealthy
white man could make such a statement especially being in an atmosphere
where he deals with blacks on a daily basis but again, can anyone really say
Vince was trying to offend black people with the comment.
What is truly the worse thing about this is that fans think its stupid or
lame but they don't see anything morally wrong with the very use of the word
by anyone on TV or in a PPV (this extends to guys like Dave Chapelle as
well) And that by far, is what makes what Vince said so wrong, and I hope
white wrestling fans take note of this not just as wrestling fans but as
humans.
Carl Evans
Kig...@cs.com
Chicago, IL
--
"I'm feeling froggy!"-Eddie Guerrero
D-Chance.
;)
Torrey M. Spears
... ...
Crazy Man Robert
say nigga and don't want anyone else saying it STOP!!!!!!!!!! if you are
WHITE and don't like being called white trash STOP ACTING LIKE IT!! It kinda
goes for both sides.
damn
WOOHA!
CMR
"M Mottola!(I'll Miss You Eddie Guerrero. VIVA LA RAZA!)"
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Poot Rootbeer
Too black, too long
-Poot
Didn't read
~昢昏觟坍
That article was TLDR, did I miss something ?
uyu
wrote:
Just a high tech lynching of an uppity white man...
frosty
"...the next cookie cutter monkey with a base [sic] line..."
but that's about it.
--
frosty
Sufjan Stevens
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> There are just so many grammatically incorrect areas of that letter...
> ... ...
LOL!!! Speak when spoken to, **gga!!!
Sufjan Stevens
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LOL!!! Again, I'm overcome by the olfactory sensation of garlic & herbs.
Wait, do I detect a wisp of red pepper? Regardless, tell Mama Mia to tone it
down a bit. Your Woppiness is polluting Usenet for Christ's sake!!! And trim
that moustache you fucking Dago!!!
uyu
wrote:
WOP are you talking about? SPIC up? I cant hear you.
D-Chance.
"D-Chance." <dch...@cox-internet.com> wrote
> ... waiting for Inc's response to this... don't disappoint me now!
Ah! Wrong bro'! Lvubun's response, not Inc's.
But between the fleshlights and $6 DVD players he may not have time, tho'.
Brandon Hex
It's pretty lame that a guy can go on and on about how somebody who is not
black should not say Nigga, but the second he gets done with writing all
that crap, he probably calls his pal a nigga and then gets mad at non black
people again.
Brandon Hex
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>
> On 29-Nov-2005, "Brandon Hex" <Brand...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > It's pretty lame that a guy can go on and on about how somebody who is
not
> > black should not say Nigga, but the second he gets done with writing all
> > that crap, he probably calls his pal a nigga and then gets mad at non
> > black
> > people again.
>
And I have been saying yer not black enough for black people.
> It's a downing of the person and
> my race in general.
Not anymore bitch. It's 2005.
> I wish I had a fucking mind control gun like on MIB and
> wipe that word from everyones existance.
Yer people are the only ones saying it.
Black americans biggest problem is black americans.
Blowhole911
the Bede
"Blowhole911" <blowh...@walla.com> wrote in message
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> Black America's biggest problem is not Black Americans....it's NIGGERS.
>