A shoot with head of XPW: Rob Black... Shootfight between XPW and ECW?
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hope they think I'm a bigger c**ks**ker than they already think I am. Not
just in wrestling do I want to be hated as a work. I want to be hated as a
shoot. I want people to legitimately to f**king hate me! Especially all the
a$$holes in this f**king business.'
Those of the words of XPW President Rob Black. XPW made wrestling headlines
on the evening of July 17th when employees of their group were involved in
an altercation with ECW employees at the federations HEATWAVE 2000 PPV in
Los Angeles, California.
Following this interview ECW was contacted for comments. We were then
refered to their New York lawyer as the company would not go on record
pending several lawsuits between ECW and XPW.
Before we get to the interview, to give an idea of Mr. Black's relationship
with other promotions, the following is an e-mail from fellow California
indy promoter, Doc Marrllee with the UIWA. Here he briefly talks about Mr.
Black, their relationship, and the events of 7/17/00:
'Let's give the facts about my involvement and ' vendetta' both with and
against xpw. Most of the current indy fans know very little about a feud
that has been going on for almost 2 years between xpw and my promotion UIWA
( United Independent Wrestling Alliance ) . It all began when the UIWA began
broadcasting the Boiler Room -the first local wrestling to be on BROADCAST
TV in L.A. in almost 20 years ( XPW still hasn't made that cut and paid
programming doesn' t count!). At that time we were using a large portion of
the xpw current roster - when Rob Black (owner of Extreme A$$ociates - the
pornography company that is xpw's parent company) decided that he wanted to
play in the wrestling biz - at that time believe it or not he was making
friends with ECW with the supposed intent of bringing them out west . When
he saw the Boiler Room on TV his mark meter flew and he decided that he
wanted in - at that time I went to him to offer the support of the UIWA to
help get xpw over in a local market .His response was basically ' f**k
you -I can buy all of you piece of s**t wrestlers and do it myself' and so
xpw was born. Initially he did just that : bought anyone with a price and
requried them to work xpw exclusive-( including trying to shut down my shows
by getting workers to back out last minute) needless to say he ain't making
friends that way. The pain caused by this ( those who don't know -realize
wrestlers are like family ,honest) action was felt all over the So. Cal
scene and is one major reason for the problem with xpw - they don't play
well with others. Out of this mess I ended up having to step away from the
UIWA for a short period of time. During that time I was all over the So
.Cal. scene - WPW , PWA, GSWA, UPW and xpw so yes I am a former employee
,but here is the fact behind that fiasco:
I came aboard for about a month in which I was given a task : Find a venue
in Ventura , book it ,promote it ,get a film crew to tape it ,co-ordinate a
signing and presales and do it in 10 days. Well I did it that's why they
call me Doc!) and although it was not a sell out it did fairly well for a
first time show in a new venue with very limited promotion ( no press , no
tv ) but I was given 'scapegoat ' status and told I would be contacted -
that was almost a year ago . since that time I've returned to the UIWA and
have established myself as the voice of UPW ( an honor that I take very
seriously) and I continue to support Wrestling indy or not ) as best I can
and I work very hard to be a positive force for wrestling in So .Cal. which
brings me to my final point about xpw - the hardest part of working with
that company is the feeling you get when you CANNOT recommend a show to a
family and with xpw that is constant. This is wrestling - and young kids are
our real core audience - think about it. Now about me using my knowledge of
xpw to get backstage - fact :I was contacted the day before the PPV by ECW
personnel to simply aid security in identifying xpw personnel - anyone who
has ever promoted a show knows that if something goes wrong they( the
promoter) are to blame and ECW was doing what it could to ensure the fans
safety as well as the workers - xpw has gone on record for weeks saying that
they intended to disrupt the PPV and if you ever seen their product ,then
you know they are so poor in imagination that they can only get 'cheap
heat' -the kind no self-respecting performer wants and so ECW had to take
precautions against this, not knowing is half the battle and so I came in to
consult- now something personal - I have gone on record many times saying
that the heat between UIWA and xpw is between the upper management - my door
is always open to workers - however after the display last night I may have
to take that back - I was watching the xpw contingent for most of the
evening and I am truly saddened by the lack of professional courtesy shown
by the workers - what I mean is this - we all do the same thing and for
someone to be in the biz and not once acknowledge the workers in the shows
is a huge insult -not only to the worker in front of you but to the biz as a
whole and not once did the xpw group at the very least acknowledge the
awesome job done by all the workers in ECW - it shows that the disrespect
that I thought was just Rob Black's I now see in all of the xpw group. That
is totally wrong from a worker standpoint -you have to respect the art or
you'll always be 1. A mark for yourself,2 a backyard wannabe and it looks
like xpw is really a little of both . Ask yourself - can xpw be for real? As
an Internet reporter I'm sure you've seen all of the threats and bullshit
from xpw regarding the ECW PPV - now today they were just ' promoting our
product like anybody else' what a load of crap!!! They drew the line in the
sand and ECW took them to task for it .end of story. Back to the PPV.. As
far as me using my knowledge of xpw to get backstage that is a crock -I used
what everybody else does - my backstage pa$$ (lol ) ..seriously though I was
a guest of ECW and acted accordingly as far as the rest ..I was backstage
when the incident began and ran out with the rest of the locker ( I'm the
dreadlocks) to aid ECW in any way I could and did not make it to the lot -
but from what I do understand the first punch was thrown by an xpw person
and then they were handed their a$$es by ECW - in a fit of hurt pride xpw
claims to be filing a frivolous lawsuit against ECW . I doubt that will fly
either , once again xpw is trying to get ' cheap heat' for their sub- par
product . ECW is one awesome promotion -Paul E. is a gentleman and runs one
hell of a party -the workers and crew are top notch and each one is a
superstar and I look forward to a return soon for ECW on the West Coast!
In closing I would like to say that ECW in no way acted with malicious
intent it was xpw's own work that got their a$$ beat none other. They can
claim to be a victim but the facts speak for themselves -they drew first
blood and suffered for it . Also I've made many references to the UIWA - If
you want to see why the UIWA has consistently put on much better shows check
out the vids from uiwa at www.uiwa.com and see for yourself why we are
So.Cal.s favorite show'
Here now is the interview with XPW President Rob Black. For the record, the
views and opinions presented by Mr. Black are not necessarily those of IGN
Scoopswrestling.com. The material presented is verbatim from a phone
conversation between Mr. Black and Al Isaacs on the afternoon of July 18th.
The only material edited from the following was comments regarding the
personal lives of certain individuals and fell under strict guidelines
regarding content the staff of Scoopswrestling does not print under any
circumstances:
RB: Let me ask you something…
AL: OK?
RB: I've had experiences with other wrestling websites and every time they
edit everything down for some reason. Is it going to be like that?
AL: You just let me know what you want on the record.
RB: I'll tell you, whenever I talk, and this is from the business I'm in,
whatever I say is 100% quotable. I never think 'Oh gee, I shouldn't have
said that'. I'm straight shooting at that's what I'm about. Very obnoxious
and forward. Right to the point. Sometimes that pisses people off and
sometimes it doesn't. My basic feeling is I don't give a f**k.
AL: Well, like I said. I tell everyone I interview that you can speak to me
as Al and you can speak to me as Scoops. What you say to me as Al stays off
the record between us. However you want it is cool with me.
RB: You got it.
AL: Let's start at the beginning with your relationship with Paul Heyman.
RB: A small background right up to this whole…I don't call it a fiasco
because everything, aside from Paul and his crew beating up ring crew guys
outside everything went according to plan.
AL: OK.
RB: It started way back. My brother whyo owns a couple of adult book stores
sponsered a radio station that sponsered ECW coming out to Rochester, New
York. My brother got to go hang out backstage or wherever the hell, and met
Bubba and Dick (Dudley). They talked to im and Bubba was like
'la-di-da-di-da' and my brother said 'hey my brother is Rob Black' and they
were like 'Oh my God' and they wanted to meet me.
Subsequently we were in New York two months later and I went up and I met
Dick and we got along instantly and we all started hanging out. Prior to
this I had dealings with Steve Carole in a roundabout way because Steve
Carole, people don't know, but Steve Carole is in the pornography business.
They like to keep it on the down-low, but Steve Carole has put out money for
porno, he was involved with Penthouse, one of his best friends sells cable
rights for the adult industry and wanted to buy my stuff.
They did a movie years ago with Jasmine St. Claire when she did her first
lesbian movie. This with Jasmine's manager. They wanted me to but the movie.
And I was like, this movie is a hunk of s**t! So that was the start of heat
with Steve Carole. He so desperately wanted to be in the porno business, but
evreything he did was just garbage. I was essentially everything Steve
Carole wanted to be. I was the big pornographer, I was the one who owned the
biggest company in the business, I was the one who was the player in the
porno business and he wanted to be the player. And I shunned his stupid
f**king movie. And I wouldn't sell my movies to his boy Bruder at his
company CDA, or CDI, whatever it is.
So I started hanging out with Bubba and them, and we started off talking
about things. You know? How can we cross-promote? What can we do? ECW was
f**king struggling and let's see what we can do. So they started talking to
Paul and said we want to get some of the girls on the Pay Per View. We got
Jasmine on. I flew Jasmine out and she did the spot with Francine. No money,
didn't ask for money, nothing. Bubba and Dick and Dreamer and Francine spent
New Years Eve with me at my f**king house. Spent the night. We went out to
the Rainbow Room, you know? We spent New Year's Eve together. I've got
'Whack Attack 5' with Bubba, Dick, and Tommy Dreamer in the video! You know,
Tommy's shooting scenes and the cameraq goes over and there's Bubba and Dick
behind the scenes. We actually had to cut one thing out because Tommy was on
the phone with Raven. We were like, 'who ya' talking to Tommy?' and he says,
'I'm talking to Raven, but make sure you cut that out because Paul will go
nuts'. It was when Scott was over in WCW. So we had this big relationship
going on! It was a cross-promotion.
I went to ECW and they had us come out with Big Sal, Tommy and Lizzie. Paul
was like, 'shoot the camera and shoot the footage and you can put it on your
tape' and xxxxx like that. I told him I'd run trailers for the ECW product,
we move 80,000 ca$$ettes a month, we'll put your trailers on them and we'll
do this thing. Then me and Paulie came up with advertising on his station.
AL: This was before TNN.
RB: Right. What we were going to do was we were going to come up with an
internet company. And it'd show Jasmine St. Claire in the commercial and
say, Do you want to see Jasmine St. Claire vacuuming the carpet?' and it
would show her vacuuming, 'Dial up www. Whatever it was going to be'. You'd
click into it and you'd see Jasmine vacuuming. But as you go a couple of
more clicks it says, 'To see explicit action and you're 18, click here'.
Paulie came up with this idea to put the pornography on the commercial to
get the money. I mean we're talking $20,000 a month to advertise and how we
could do it under the censors, under his local people so they would never
give a xxxxx. They wouldn't know.
One weekend he spent the whole night with me. He came out, had a meeting,
came to my office for 5 hours, went to dinner, and stayed at my house until
7 o'clock the next day. He stayed up and talked business and came up with
this thing we were going to do. I have a company in Brazil. I was going to
buy his masters and distribute his product in Brazil. We're talking about
essentially coming up with a quarter of a million dollars to ECW at a time
when they were piss broke! More than what they are now! More than bouncing
checks to everybody. Remember, I hung out with Bubba and all them and they
would sit there and tell me, 'yeah, Paulie didn't give me my money this
week', Bubba and them would warn me 'Dude, he's going to f**k you, straight
up he's going to f**k you.' And I just said, 'nah', you know?
Well, while I had this relationship with ECW, my vice-president Kevin had
this company called SECW, independent wrestling fed. I was going to do local
wrestling thing out here and sell the tapes because I knew I could promote
it and had the distribution. Henceforth, look at our first video. We've been
on the chart for recreation sports for like the last ten f**king weeks. In
order to do that you've got to move some numbers, regardless of what Meltzer
and them say. 'Oh, all you've got to do is move 300 pieces in a week to get
on there.' He's full of xxxxx! You know, if that's the case then why the
f**k ain't WCW in there? You gonna' tell me that a Hogan video doesn't move
300 pieces in a f**king week? You know, Meltzer is a schmuck. He's just a
f**king schill just like that guy Dave Scherer. He's a f**king schill for
ECW, Meltzer, Bob Ryder. They're all f**king schills. I never really
realized how political this business was until I really got going.
Me and Kevin were going to do this thing and I said, 'no, I'm doing this
thing with ECW'. Well all of a sudden two weeks later Paul is on the
internet dissolving any relationship he ever had with me whatsoever. And
what Bubba told me was he all of a sudden got in negotiations with TNN and
some other people, and Steve Carole put a bug in his ear because Steve
didn't like me. He wanted him to go with this guy John Bowan who had that
girl Kendra Jade that was on the Springer show. He told him that if he
wanted anything to do with porno then this was the guy to do it with. And
Paul E. just basically told me to go f**k myself. After I did all this
xxxxx! You know! I'm flying people out there, I'm doing things for RF Video,
we're doing all this xxxxx for free!
AL: And publicly it just looks like he wants to have his hands clean when
ECW goes to TNN.
RB: He wanted to have his hands clean, he didn't want anybody in the
negotiations to know. So one day Bubba calls me and he's like, 'Rob, you've
got to take us off that movie that you guys did.' I'm like, 'what do you
mean?' and he says, 'you've got to do a recall on that'. Then I find out
that basically Bubba was talking to the WWF and was nervous that Vince would
find out and get upset. Henceforth, unfortunately Bubba was a pawn in the
game. I told him I couldn't recall the tapes. And then he says, 'well, you
showed that footage at ECW Arena and Paulie never gave you permission'.
Whoa, whoa whoa. Paul E? How did I go out there with a f**king camera if I
didn't have f**king permission?!?! He goes, 'Paul might do something'. So I
go, 'You know what? What's he going to do, sue me? I'm not like you f**king
wrestlers that he can just f**k for money. From Shane Douglas to Sabu to Bam
Bam Bigelow. And you guys are f**ked because you don't have the ware with
all with a lawyer to spend $100,000 to fight ECW, HHG Corp.' I'll f**king
fight his a$$! I don't give a xxxxx!
So henceforth it died down. Nobody said anything about the tape. Nobody said
anything about the footage and it died down. We just parted our separate
ways with Paul E. basically telling me to go f**k myself. Making me look
like a f**king a$$hole. And painting this picture of me as a big bad
pornographer while his financial advisor Steve Carole is a pornographer! The
people on the inside know that that's what he does. For many years he was
with Penthouse. I don't care if you've got me doing hardcore pornography or
you've got Steve Carole in Penthouse, it's still pornography and the
Christian Right still looks down on it either way. People naked having sex
whether it's man and wife with a condom on or a pimp and a whore from one of
my videos and the guy's putting the girl's head in the toilet. It's still
sexually orientated material.
So when it happened I told Kevis we were going to go ahead with our
wrestling company and he said, 'OK, well we're going to be XPW, what are we
going to do?' I said, 'The X is going to stand for the X-factor. The X is
going to stand for X-Treme. That's what we are. We go against the grain'. Do
you know who had that name before me but nobody went after him?
AL: Afa
RB: That's right! He had World X-Treme Wrestling and nobody went after him!
You know why? Because Afa has been around longer than Paul Heyman. If Heyman
went after Afa of the Wild Samoans he would get heat from all the wrestling
people who'd say, 'F**k you Paulie! He paved the way to get you a$$ into
this f**king business! This motherf**ker was the tag team champion!' So he
never went after World X-Treme Wrestling. They use the same spelling we do!
X-Treme! And I was Extreme in the porno business long before Paul Heyman had
Extreme Championship Wrestling! I formed Extreme Video in 93-94, while he
was still Eastern Championship Wrestling for Christ's sake!
So bang, that's what started it. I was getting word from guys I still talked
to in ECW that we were getting heat for what we were doing. They felt that
these people made friends with us and brought us in and here we are 8 months
later calling ourselves 'X-Treme' and using ex-ECW workers. So then he sent
me out a lterr that said he was f**king going to sue me! And then, what
people don't know, he had Pioneer send me a letter to sue me because we were
infringing on 'Extreme' and they were getting set to release the Extreme
videos. We were already in the market getting in the top 10, so they were
pissed off that they'd have to share the marketplace with us. So he sends me
a lawsuit. The funny thing here is that here's this big business going on
TNN and all these things, and they send me out a lawsuit and can't serve me
properly. We go to a hearing in NY and the judge says sorry, you have to
serve this again because it wasn't served properly. They just threw it on
our driveway. He made another attempt and the judge said the same thing.
Here's a company with millions of dollars and they can't spend the $2,000 to
serve me with the papers the right way. They wouldn't spend the extra
f**king money! So here we go, we start our company and he tries to sue me
for using the name 'X-Treme', you know, all this stuff. F**k you! Why is he
doing this? Because we're a f**king threat. But nobody looks at that.
So jump ahead eight months later. They announce they're coming out here to
do a pay per view. The only reason they came out here was because of us. It
wasn't to 'give the California people ECW'. Why would you, as a company that
lost your TNN gig, that doesn't have a national TV outlet, you can't even
pay your wrestlers who are going 3 and 4 weeks without a f**king paycheck,
why then would you across the United States and go into the hole for even
more money because you're flying Atlas Security out here! You're spending
$6,000 on tickets for Atlas Security. You're essentially doing a PPV where
you lose money. Why? Because the competition is out here and it's to come
and show the competition and the people what ECW really is. That's the only
reason! That excuse that they wanted to give ECW fans their show is bullshit
because they would have done it a year ago. So they come out here to do
their show and we then decide…and when everybody is saying that XPW put on
their website they were going to do something, the only thing that was on
our website was this date was going to change the face of wrestling and XPW
forever…I didn't even do it. Kevin actually did it as really a ploy to make
the people think that something might happen. Not necessarily bad, but that
maybe some cooperation was going on. Just like we put on the website that
link for WCW. Because we're trying to work the f**king fans. Our angle with
WCW is that we're working with them. You ask WCW and they'll say, 'are you
nuts?!?!?'. But the fans believe it because we've got people like Candido
and Douglas bouncing back and forth. So the people believe it. And the
people believe that I'm selling the company to WCW as a farm league. It's
all a f**king work and it works for our fans because 1,200 or 1,300 people
come to the show and that's a lot of f**king people for an indy show.
AL: So when you put it up on the site nothing was planned at that point.
Everyone knew ECW was coming to town and you wanted to get a buzz going.
RB: Yeah, but then we had to think of something. And what we thought of was
we were going to have four of our guys go, buy front row tickets which was
very easy, and they were going to go and wear XPW shirts. And a bunch of the
street team were going to go because they were going to flyer all the cars
in the lot, which we do at the WWF show, WCW show, and at both shows we send
all our ring guys there to wear the XPW shirt and get on camera. So people
sit there and see XPW shirts. We do publicity, we do print ads, we do local
cable spots, we do all that stuff. When an opponent, not necessarily WWF or
WCW because we're nowhere near them, the only people we compare ourselves to
is ECW because they're still doing shows where only 350 f**king people show
up. We always go with our shirts, we always go with ring guys, we always go
and pa$$ out flyers.
Then as people showed up they wouldn't let them come in with XPW shirts!
There were hundreds of people there with WCW shirts, WWF shirts, the local
UPW shirts from Rick Ba$$man's WWF farm league, they had tons of these
people there with shirts! They let them in but they wouldn't let anybody
wearing an XPW shirt in. I mean, why is that? Because we're the f**king
competition? We're a legitimate threat where the WWF's not?
AL: Well you know that once word got out about the message on your web page,
they were expecting something.
RB: Well, what happened was the ring announcer told somebody that XPW was
going to try something. That they were ready for it. Subsequently, I'm not
going to say who it is because somebody from the ECW organization that I'm
still friends with, called me up and said 'Hey I'm coming down on Thursday
and I want to hang out on a shoot. Steve Carole came up to me and said
something's going to happen, what's going on?' So I told him, 'Dude, all
we're going to do is come and wear XPW shirts. That's it!' I told him all of
our street crew and four of our guys were going just like they do at the
WWF. What do you think, we're going to charge the ring?
So then they go to the show. This person comes out and tells them they can't
wear the t-shirts. Then he asks, 'Where's Rob, Lizzie and Tommy?' Kevin and
them told them we weren't coming and the guy's like, 'We've got these two
security guards a$$igned to Rob and them.' So everyone had to turn the
shirts inside out. And all .the fans couldn't wear their XPW shirts into the
building.
AL: Well you know, that's not unprecedented. The WWF and WCW have done that
with each other's shirts and signs on RAW and NITRO.
RB: No, no no…fine, you know? It ain't no big deal. We're in there building,
so whatever. Four guys sat in the front with Kristi Myst and the ring guys
sat up in the balcony and stuff. Let's put it this way, if we were there
purposely to disrupt things to do what they said…well, let me tell you
exactly what we planned.
First let me tell you something. Kevin Kleinrock, my vice-president, put out
that f**king press release the other day and I went f**king nuts when this
c**ks**ker did that. He's f**king lucky that he's still working here. I
said, 'don't put that out man! You make us sound…' Listen, I ain't sorry for
a f**king thing we did! I don't give a f**k what anybody thinks! Tommy
Dreamer tells one of my guys as he's being escorted out, 'You just ruined
your career man. You're never going to work in this business.' What is he
talking about? XPW is not a stepping stone! Our guys that bust their a$$ and
do what they do…it's not like UPW or Memphis. Nobody's striving to go to WCW
or the WWF. These guys are doing what Tommy Dreamer and those guys did. They
stuck it out with a long haired f**k from New York, who lives with his Mommy
and Daddy, and f**king intended to build something and if it took them seven
f**king years they were going to work behind the scenes and do it. That's
what these guys do. They have no plans to go to the WWF. They don't want to
go to tryouts. They don't do it. And the couple of them that had the chance
to go to Rick Ba$$man and have that shot they don't want to do it. Tracy
Smothers is working with us and Tracy's like Kid Chaos, the one kid who was
visible on the tape, Tracy's like 'you're real good I wasn't you to come to
Memphis' and the Kid's like, 'I don't want to!' They want to make it in XPW
and that's it. So when Kevin sent that release out I said there are only two
accurate things in there. A lawsuit, they attacked ring guys. From day one
that was f**king planned.
A couple of guys in the front with the t-shirts and they're going to do like
ECW did and just sit there with their arms folded. And we're going to put
Kristi in the front because everybody is going to f**king look at Krist
Myst. She's ten times better looking than Francine and Dawn Marie and all
those other slugs they've got in ECW. And the best thing is they can watch
Krist suck a d**k. And subsequently what happened…Francine was supposed to
get her top ripped off and Kristi took the heat away! So they go, they sit
in the front, and what it was supposed to be was at a spot in the show
Kristi was to stand up, not take her t*ts out, we don't want to get in
trouble and we don't even do that at our show, even though ECW incites girl
fans to take their t*ts out! Drunk Sandman in there telling girls to take
their f**king clothes off. So Kristi goes to take her jacket off and the
fans would all go f**king nuts, you know, 'show your t*ts. Show your t*ts',
and then the boys in the front would put their XPW shirts on and they'd get
escorted out. That was it. The person who told them if we see you put those
shirts on we'll escort you out.
We had guys sitting above their entrance way. If we wanted to be f**king
p**cks we have a couple of guys who work with us and one of them was a
backyard wrestler and that crazy f**k wanted to jump on one of the guys as
they walked out. I'm like, 'Don't be an a$$hole'. That's stupid. They
literally could have done stuff. Paul E. has got his workers there that
bleed and would die for him and we've got kids that would bleed and die for
us just to become a wrestler and wrestle on the same show as a Sabu or a
Tracy Smothers. These kids were ready to pelt them with pop and beer and cut
down their banner. But I told them no. I told them she's going to stand up,
divert attention, the guys will put on their shirts, they'll get escorted
out. All night long fans were going up to them during the pay per view and
getting their autographs. It's stated on all the websites! Cool! No
different then is Van Dam came to one of our shows and people would be doing
that. Big f**king deal. They went there in the frame of mind to say, 'Hey
Paul Heyman, you come into our f**king backyard to f**king show us up, we're
gtoing to go there to make sure our f**king presence is known. How dare you
come into our f**king territory.' It'd be no different if we came to New
York City to do a f**king show, you know? Why would I do that right now?
It's different with the WWF and WCW. There's no reason to do it, but if I do
I expect that ECW workers are going to be at our f**king show. I would only
hope that they'd f**king go there to do that in their backyard. I would only
hope if they had the b*lls.
But from what happened apparently they have no f**king b*lls. They f**king
punched three ring crew guys, which are at the police department filing
reports and taking Polaroids of their faces. Outside the building they did
this! Not in the building. Outside! What kind of b*lls does that take? Jack
Victory? You know, but I forgot. This is the man who got his a$$ beat by
Sandman in the f**king locker room. So what kind of b*lls does it take to
beat up a f**king 17-year old ring crew guy?
So that was the plan. Kristi takes her jacket off. Francine looks and goes
nuts! Never laid a hand on Kristi. Nobody laid a hand on Kristi. No
wrestlers touched her. And Kristi never touched Francine! Nobody touched
Francine whatsoever. And if ECW has people who say they touched each other,
I've got people out here that aren't even with us. I've got a UPS guy who
filed a report yesterday with the police department that says nobody touched
anybody except when ECW locker room spilled out and Paul Heyman threw the
first punch. He his our guy Messiah in the back of the head! Messiah turned
around and was like, 'What the f**k!?!?' He put his hands up and was like,
'what the hell is wrong with you?' Heyman's going, 'Come on you son of a
b*tch! You c**ks**ker!' And Messiah told him, 'Dude, we ain't here to fight
we're here to wear our f**king shirts.' They went nuts and had 15 people
from the locker room come out.
She just took her jacket down, no t*ts or nothing. Francine starts screaming
and then Atlas Security starts coming over. As that's happening our guys
start taking off their shirts to put on their XPW shirts. And the security
are grabbing the shirts from them! One of the kids, our ring announcer is
naked! They pulled his shirt from him if you watch the tape! He's sitting
there with his baby fat dripping out. So our guys are tugging with them for
the shirts. So as they're tugging that's when Victory and New Jack and
Roadkill and all of them guys hit the f**king guardrails and start swinging
at everybody. As they're swinging to push these four guys out they're going
through the aisleway and Paul Heyman hits Messiah in the back of the head.
The f**king owner! So they get pushed in the parking lot and nobody went
after Supreme. Nobody went after Messiah. Nobody went after Joey because
it's over! And then they hit the f**king ring guys! I got two ring guys come
out to see what's going on and they start beating the xxxxx out of them! Big
Sal hits one of the ring guys in the f**king head. One of our ring crew is a
girl! She's a fan that comes down to help before shows. He was there and
they f**king punched her! She filed a f**king police report because Big Sal
punched her in the f**king head! They went f**king nuts! And Kevin, my VP,
is standing out there with a call phone and Paul E. is screaming, 'You
c**ks**kers! You come here and we'll kick your a$$! F**k Rob Black!' And I'm
on the phone with Kevin and Kevin's like, 'Paul, calm down man! You're like
a mental patient! What is wrong with you?' And then everybody left. They
went back in the building and our fans were going to their cars and the ECW
guys were going nuts because they had their XPW shirts on! They were pushing
them. It was f**king nuts.
Nobody touched Francine. Nobody jumped the guardrail. Nobody did anything
out of line except stand up and put their shirts on and Kristi Myst took off
her leather jacket. And then they hit.
AL: Well, here's my question to you. They knew something was going to
happen, right? No one knew what. Just that 'history was going to be made'.
So the guys came with the shirts. You've got a bunch of guys sitting
backstage with the mindframe that something was going to happen but they
didn't know what. So they're watching these guys the whole show, like you
said, with their arms crossed and their t-shirts inside-out. And they're
probably getting just that much more pissed off when people go to get their
autographs. All of a sudden main event…she starts taking off her jacket and
at the same time they start fixing their shirts. Something is happening, but
they don't know to what extent. If you're in their shoes, and take into
account the level of stress this company is under with everything else
that's been happening, what would you have done in those circumstances?
RB: What they did in the building? Completely right. Spilled to outside?
That's what was wrong. In the building? God bless 'em. You're 100% f**king
right even though we get plenty of fans at our show with f**king ECW shirts
on. Tons. But in the building you have the right to boot anybody you want
out. Paul Heyman striking one of the wrestlers and then carrying it outside
and attacking the ring guys, that's where the line is drawn. If we really
wanted to fight we would have prepared for a fight! Tomorrow we're doing our
TV show and Heyman never wants to shoot back when I have something to say,
because he's a punk. I called him on his cell phone after the incident.
Twice. Two messages on his cell phone and one at his f**king hotel room. I
said 'Paulie man, I hear there was a big incident at the building. I heard
you hit Messiah…oh wait a minute, Messiah says you hit like a b*tch. But, I
hear you screaming. I don't scream. I don't yell. You don't see me at the
pay per view fighting anybody. That's not what I do. I'm a business man.
Unlike you, that's why your company is in the f**king sh***er. But if you've
got any f**king b*lls you call me. You want a f**king war?' We'll f**king
sanction it. We'll do a f**king UFC style shoot fight. Five of his guys,
five of my guys. And the main event will be me kicking his f**king a$$ all
over f**king Los Angeles. And you know what? I'll put up the money because
he don't got a pot to f**king piss in. I'm going on record right now. They
want to f**king shoot? We'll sanction it and do it. Bring in Jack Victory.
Bring in New Jack. You bring in five guys Heyman and I'll bring in five.
We'll be ready and I'll beat his a$$.
What they did outside was uncalled for. So what we did, we filed police
reports. And now we filed a lawsuit. Why'd we do that? No different than
them filing against us. See remember, this all stems back to the first
dealing with Paul Heyman. It wasn't like we sat there and said this is what
we're going to do. The first minute I dealt with Paul Heyman he lied to me
and did basically what he does to everybody. The same thing he does to every
wrestler and businessman he deals with. That's what started the f**king war
that escalated to the ECW show. He knew there were only a couple of our guys
there! It would be like seeing Dreamer, Van Dam, and Spike sitting in our
front row and having the XPW locker room clear out. We've got 26 guys on our
staff! Plus our f**king security, so we've got like 35 guys! That's easy to
do. Not a big f**king deal. That's the nuts and bolts. And they tried to put
a spin that we attacked Francine. Nobody touched Francine and that's the
bottom line. So we filed a lawsuit, which is what they'll get served with
this week just like Paul E. served a lawsuit on me.
Look at it this way. 'Extreme' is a generic word. NJ Governor Whitman is
trying to pa$$ a bill banning extreme wrestling…but it doesn't include ECW!
Not affected! Why not!?!?! It's their name!!! Aren't they extreme? Why not
go after World Extreme Wrestling like us? What about CECW in Canada? Why not
go after them? Why just us? Because the bottom line is that me and Paulie
got a hard-on for each other.
AL: It goes far beyond business. It's personal.
RB: Very. Me and Stve Carole too. And the funny thing is? He never wants to
call me. He never wants to call and work this out. Pick up the phone and
say, 'Rob, what can we do with this f**king thing?' They want to play games
with lawyers and file these court cases about our name. And now we'll file
the a$$ault and battery lawsuit in California. So they'll have to fly to
California and they'll have to fly to New York. We'll just go back and
forth. It's all part of a plan from the beginning. Everything I've done is a
f**king plan. I might not know how to structure a match or set up a good
four minute deal with hot tags and stuff. That's why I call Shane and have
him work with us. That's why. But you know what? When it comes to promoting
and marketing and hype and getting the hysteria, that's what I know how to
do. I'm the #1 porno company in the land. Henceforth it doesn't matter that
our ring crew got beaten up. It doesn't matter what anybody says. The only
thing that matters is an hour after the PPV everybody had XPW on their
website. Everybody had XPW on their lips. Even Meltzer, that piece of xxxxx,
we can't even kill somebody to get in his sheet and we got front page. It
has a whole story about us and didn't even talk about the matches. Bob
Ryder? He don't f**king talk about us. He had a whole thing. Scherer? All
these a$$holes. We did what we intended to do.
You know? From this day forward they'll know our name. They don't know CZW.
They only know APW from BEYOND THE MAT and a quote in the newspaper from
Vince McMahon saying, 'I got to be in the movie with this fat guy?' That's
what people know…XPW! The guys at the ECW. ECW made the disturbance and gave
us the publicity. The cameras missed us all night. Our guys had their backs
to the hard camera and the other cameras never showed our guys. The ECW
wrestlers purposely kept the fight away from that corner. All they had to do
was cut everybody out with the zoom. They just thought our guys were going
to f**king jump the rail.
Why would they think that? If there's only four people and you jump the rail
you're going to get stomped! If we really wanted to I could have gone out
and bought more front row tickets, like I said it was very easy to because
the company wasn't selling that many tickets. I could have bought the whole
front row. If we wanted to be a$$holes and f**k with their ppv, because Paul
has to submit sheets about everything they're going to do, I would have
gotten 25 ringside seats, had the entire locker room there, and then they
all jump the railing and got into the ring. And then what would have
happened would have been a shoot f**king battle royal. Because 25 XPW
workers, and we've got some big motherf**kers, and there wouldn't have been
a thing they could have done. Direct TV would have gone off on Paul E. with
a riot breaking out. But that wasn't our plan! Our plan was just to get the
attention at an ECW event in our backyard. That's all. It's a rivalry that
got out of hand.
Am I sorry it happened? F**k no. Would I do it again? F**king A I would! I
would do it again and this time I'd have the 25 guys at ringside charging
that f**king ring. That's what I'd have done if I could do it again. And
that is a bona fide, without a shadow of a doubt fact.
And I'll say this. If they ever come back it's going to be a whole other
world of f**king xxxxx. They'd better think twice about coming back to our
f**king town to do a show, because if they do come back expect not 5 guys
expect 25 workers and 25 ring crew guys around ringside. They'd better be
sure that Chris Chetti and all their little prelim guys who went out and
beat up our ring guys can handle 50 guys storming that f**king place. That's
not a promise, that's not a threat, that's a guarantee. I hope they come out
again next month. And I'll be there like General Patton leading the charge.
Because if Paul Heyman can throw f**king punches and have a tantrum, f**k
it.
/..::Submunky::..\
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Submunky
Old School John wrote in message
<2f30a510...@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>...
>mark
You're a moron, I didn't even type anything in that post.
Old School John
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>Old School John wrote in message
><2f30a510...@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com>...
>>mark
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>You're a moron, I didn't even type anything in that post.
>
I was referring to Mr. Black... However, if the foo shits...
Submunky
Old School John wrote in message
Dyslexic too?
Old School John
an opportunity to do so?
Jinsei Bukkake
Old Troll John <jpel...@my-deja.com> lisped:
>You're a funny fellow! Why don't you quit while you still
have
>an opportunity to do so?
>
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>OSJ
Yes, you'd better listen to Old Troll John, my good fellow!
He's tapped out to just about eveyone(even little Mikey
Palij *rolls eyes* hahahahaha!!!!) in here who has EVER
taken the time to acknowledge his fat, old, cheesy horror
book scribllin', old ass, so he's probably due to win one
here one of these days. Don't let it be you. Think of the
embarassment you and your friends and family will suffer.
Tony -DrK- Nelson
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>Dyslexic too?
mizark.
--Dr. K
WorkCon supporter
"God dammit, the next time someone hands you an exploding ham, I'm gonna pass
the mustard!" - Jack Deth
http://www.drknet.net - A greatly overflowing tape list, among other things.
Old School John
sandwich maker, the salad tosser, or just some other two bit
punk lurking behind a fairly flimsy veil of anonymity?
Son, come back and play when you have the cajones to post under
your real name. And do check your facts next time, I don't
recall "tapping out" to anyone. Palij and I have had some lively
discussions, but I don't recall that either one of us changed
our original points of view. In fact when the Bogus Prophet and
I go at it the usual result is a time-limit draw...
By the way, since you're obviously keeping up with my work,
you'll no doubt be pleased to know that I have a new collection
coming out next year and will be starting the next novel this
winter...