Yamaha XL 1200 !!!
Nathan R. Ciufo
Just took our 98 XL 1200 out for the 1st time this morning ! What a
rush. Probably the smoothest ride for the speed you can imagine.
Anyone else have any news on them, let me know. We love this one,
that's for sure ! Nathan
Jerry Bransford
Rode one for the first time last weekend, a nice ride but got thrown
off. I could BARELY get back on, nothing on the rear to grab, nothing
at all! Have you had to get back on from deep water yet? This is the
first Yamaha I've had this trouble with, having owned and ridden them
since '93.
Jerry
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Jerry Bransford (jer...@nospam.cts.com) wrote:
: Nathan R. Ciufo wrote:
: >
: > Just took our 98 XL 1200 out for the 1st time this morning ! What a
: > rush. Probably the smoothest ride for the speed you can imagine.
: > Anyone else have any news on them, let me know. We love this one,
: > that's for sure ! Nathan
: Rode one for the first time last weekend, a nice ride but got thrown
: off. I could BARELY get back on, nothing on the rear to grab, nothing
: at all! Have you had to get back on from deep water yet? This is the
: first Yamaha I've had this trouble with, having owned and ridden them
: since '93.
I couldn't get back on mine, either. I didn't realize how much the
strap on the Ventures helped until it wasn't there. I bought 3' of
1" webbing and sewed it together to make a loop and then wrapped it
around the seat. Problem solved.
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Fagan Pace
John I've ridden the xl 1200 and xpl . If you can get back on the xpl
with no problem ,the xl1200 is a piece of cake.
Regards, Fagan Pace
John Hill
Damn ...Watercraft of the Year... does 55-56 mph! Has the biggest engine
and the smallest gas tank so that you really cant cruise( isn't that what
three seaters are for... new buyers are asking if they can put smaller
carbs on them) and now you can't get back on... Oh well speed, gas tank,
gas consumption and the ability to reboard are just minor things afterall.
John Hill
Scott O'Connell <sco...@ipars.sds.com> wrote in article
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Larry KN4IM
I think there's an echo in here! Echos from the past??
Scott O'Connell
I didn't make it Watercraft of the Year!
: does 55-56 mph!
Pleanty fast for me!
: Has the biggest engine
: and the smallest gas tank so that you really cant cruise( isn't that what
: three seaters are for... new buyers are asking if they can put smaller
: carbs on them)
Excellent point! This is my gripe!
: and now you can't get back on...
I couldn't get back on because I'm too friggin' big (fat). My buddy that
rides with me just hopped on and took off (leaving me in the water with
his venture :-)
: Oh well speed, gas tank,
: gas consumption and the ability to reboard are just minor things afterall.
If you want to bash it, bash the fuel tank/fuel consumption issue. As far
as I'm concerned that is *the* issue about the XL-1200.
There are many other craft that are difficult to board, too. The ommission
of the strap on the seat is not an issue to me.
Mark Fontecchio
Any advise would help! I'm shopping for my first pwc. I want a three seater.
I'm torn between the Yamaha xl 1200 and the seadoo gtx limited or the gtx
rfi. I'm leaning toward the yamaha, however I experienced a friend a couple
years ago at london bridge cruising through the canal at idle speed on a
yamaha. It was smoking so bad it was embarrasing. Do all yamaha's smoke like
that. Anyone with experience, I would appreciate your input.
Scott O'Connell wrote in message <89111910...@wagasa.cts.com>...
>Jerry Bransford (jer...@nospam.cts.com) wrote:
>: Nathan R. Ciufo wrote:
>: >
>: > Just took our 98 XL 1200 out for the 1st time this morning ! What a
>: > rush. Probably the smoothest ride for the speed you can imagine.
>: > Anyone else have any news on them, let me know. We love this one,
>: > that's for sure ! Nathan
>
>: Rode one for the first time last weekend, a nice ride but got thrown
>: off. I could BARELY get back on, nothing on the rear to grab, nothing
>: at all! Have you had to get back on from deep water yet? This is the
>: first Yamaha I've had this trouble with, having owned and ridden them
>: since '93.
>
>I couldn't get back on mine, either. I didn't realize how much the
>strap on the Ventures helped until it wasn't there. I bought 3' of
>1" webbing and sewed it together to make a loop and then wrapped it
>around the seat. Problem solved.
>
Christopher Paull
In article <6fm24l$8...@argentina.earthlink.net>, "Mark Fontecchio" <mjf...@earthlink.net> writes:
|> Any advise would help! I'm shopping for my first pwc. I want a three seater.
|> I'm torn between the Yamaha xl 1200 and the seadoo gtx limited or the gtx
|> rfi. I'm leaning toward the yamaha, however I experienced a friend a couple
|> years ago at london bridge cruising through the canal at idle speed on a
|> yamaha. It was smoking so bad it was embarrasing. Do all yamaha's smoke like
|> that. Anyone with experience, I would appreciate your input.
The GTXRFI will be by far the quietest and most fuel efficient.
The XL1200 and GTXLTD will be faster. The GTXLTD has a larger
fuel tank so it will be better for long distances cruises.
OTherwise, both are nice boats.
The smoking was only on Yamaha's that did not have variable rate
oil injection. I believe that the 1200 motors do have this feature,
so it shouldn't be a problem on the XL1200...
Can anyone confirm this.
|> Scott O'Connell wrote in message <89111910...@wagasa.cts.com>...
|> >Jerry Bransford (jer...@nospam.cts.com) wrote:
|> >: Nathan R. Ciufo wrote:
|> >: >
|> >: > Just took our 98 XL 1200 out for the 1st time this morning ! What a
|> >: > rush. Probably the smoothest ride for the speed you can imagine.
|> >: > Anyone else have any news on them, let me know. We love this one,
|> >: > that's for sure ! Nathan
|> >
|> >: Rode one for the first time last weekend, a nice ride but got thrown
|> >: off. I could BARELY get back on, nothing on the rear to grab, nothing
|> >: at all! Have you had to get back on from deep water yet? This is the
|> >: first Yamaha I've had this trouble with, having owned and ridden them
|> >: since '93.
|> >
|> >I couldn't get back on mine, either. I didn't realize how much the
|> >strap on the Ventures helped until it wasn't there. I bought 3' of
|> >1" webbing and sewed it together to make a loop and then wrapped it
|> >around the seat. Problem solved.
|> >
|> >--
|> >
|> >Scott O'Connell
|> >Spectrum Data Services
|> >sco...@sds.com
|>
|>
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The carbs were probably running a little too rich at idle...a properly
adjusted ski will not smoke very much at all...you can also use synthetic
oil to cut down the smoking even more.
In article <6fm24l$8...@argentina.earthlink.net>,
"Mark Fontecchio" <mjf...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Any advise would help! I'm shopping for my first pwc. I want a three seater.
> I'm torn between the Yamaha xl 1200 and the seadoo gtx limited or the gtx
> rfi. I'm leaning toward the yamaha, however I experienced a friend a couple
> years ago at london bridge cruising through the canal at idle speed on a
> yamaha. It was smoking so bad it was embarrasing. Do all yamaha's smoke like
> that. Anyone with experience, I would appreciate your input.
> Scott O'Connell wrote in message <89111910...@wagasa.cts.com>...
> >Jerry Bransford (jer...@nospam.cts.com) wrote:
> >: Nathan R. Ciufo wrote:
> >: >
> >: > Just took our 98 XL 1200 out for the 1st time this morning ! What a
> >: > rush. Probably the smoothest ride for the speed you can imagine.
> >: > Anyone else have any news on them, let me know. We love this one,
> >: > that's for sure ! Nathan
> >
> >: Rode one for the first time last weekend, a nice ride but got thrown
> >: off. I could BARELY get back on, nothing on the rear to grab, nothing
> >: at all! Have you had to get back on from deep water yet? This is the
> >: first Yamaha I've had this trouble with, having owned and ridden them
> >: since '93.
> >
> >I couldn't get back on mine, either. I didn't realize how much the
> >strap on the Ventures helped until it wasn't there. I bought 3' of
> >1" webbing and sewed it together to make a loop and then wrapped it
> >around the seat. Problem solved.
> >
> >--
> >
> >Scott O'Connell
> >Spectrum Data Services
> >sco...@sds.com
>
>
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Larry KN4IM
As you are looking at 3-seaters, the bigger boats, help us by telling
us what kind of riding you are going to do. None of these may be the
boat for you if you are looking to cruise any distance as they are
really PIGS ON GAS! The XL1200 will run about 50 minutes on its
putrid little gas tank, not very far at all! Having all this power
comes at an awful price.....You spend most of Saturday hauling gas
cans or searching for fuel docks.
As this is your first PWC, how much riding experience did you have on
someone else's or a rental unit?? If you have none, or very little,
I'd recommend something in the 700-800cc class, maximum. Of course,
you need to tell us what kind of riding you do before we can make a
good recommendation...
Larry...1200cc Yamahas guzzle 14 gallons PER HOUR at full throttle.
They'll run a couple of hours at 40mph...but that's not why people buy
135hp PWC!
bryan....@bigfoot.com
>
> The smoking was only on Yamaha's that did not have variable rate
> oil injection. I believe that the 1200 motors do have this feature,
> so it shouldn't be a problem on the XL1200...
>
> Can anyone confirm this.
>
Yes, they do.
Tom Howlin
Fagan,
Not to fan the flames of discontentment, but I rode an XL1200 this
weekend, along with several XPLs and I sure could get back on the XP
easier than the 1200 and that's hauling my 230lb, 50 year old butt up.
How anyone could create a crusing boat without the proper handholds and
boarding handles is beyond me. Although the boat is well put together,
the consensus among the seven or eight of us that traded off skis all
weekend was that it will be a better boat next year when they change
some things. Gas consumption was horrible, we were refilling this boat
twice for every time we put gas in the other craft, including an SLTX
which I thought was the gas hog of all time. I like the ride of the XL
but aggressive it ain't. Makes for a very nice family boat but three
seaters have advanced beyond this level recently and I think the XL has
some refinements to make before it appeals to the true enthusiast but of
course, maybe that is not the target market for the product. Just my
opinion.
Tom
Lake Anna Watercraft Center
Jerry Bransford
Mark Fontecchio wrote:
>
> Any advise would help! I'm shopping for my first pwc. I want a three seater.
> I'm torn between the Yamaha xl 1200 and the seadoo gtx limited or the gtx
> rfi. I'm leaning toward the yamaha, however I experienced a friend a couple
> years ago at london bridge cruising through the canal at idle speed on a
> yamaha. It was smoking so bad it was embarrasing. Do all yamaha's smoke like
> that. Anyone with experience, I would appreciate your input.
I've owned a Yamaha since '93, rode them since 89 or so, and ridden a
half-dozen others and none of them smoked more than any other PWC I've
seen or riddent. My Yamaha has also been totally reliable with lots of
hard riding and zero problems, never a trip to the dealer for any
repairs at all.
That said, I rode the new 1200 XL last weekend after having been
drooling over it since it came out. It's a VERY well packaged boat
with a few glaring deficiencies. First, it's VERY VERY tough to get
back on the boat from deep water, I know. However, a bolt-on swing-down
boarding step (they work very well!) or nylon boarding strap with an
extra handhold would fix that. It's also a PIG on gas LOL! While it's
a good cruiser, be sure you're close to lots of gas.
Here's what surprised me, after having been a real Yamaha supporter and
believer. The Sea Doo GTX Limited won me over in the fun category. It
was definitely a much more fun boat to ride, not to mention it being
faster and more economical, gas-wise. It's a well put together boat,
well thought out. I think the Yamaha's overall design may be a little
better but the GTX Limited is so good that the difference is negligible.
It's also a LOT easier to reboard from deep water. Bottom line on
boarding is that the Yamaha's short-comings can be fixed through one or
two add-on accessories (YAMAHA, are you reading this!!???).
If I were buying it strictly for salt-water use however, I'd go for the
Yamaha. Yamahas just hold up better in salt-water, period. For all
fresh-water use, I'd probably choose the Sea Doo GTX Limited.
Since I ride both salt and fresh, I'm still deciding between the two
boats LOL! Before I actually rode the new Sea Doo though, I wouldn't
have even considered it.
Jerry
> Scott O'Connell wrote in message <89111910...@wagasa.cts.com>...
> >Jerry Bransford (jer...@nospam.cts.com) wrote:
> >: Nathan R. Ciufo wrote:
> >: >
> >: > Just took our 98 XL 1200 out for the 1st time this morning ! What a
> >: > rush. Probably the smoothest ride for the speed you can imagine.
> >: > Anyone else have any news on them, let me know. We love this one,
> >: > that's for sure ! Nathan
> >
> >: Rode one for the first time last weekend, a nice ride but got thrown
> >: off. I could BARELY get back on, nothing on the rear to grab, nothing
> >: at all! Have you had to get back on from deep water yet? This is the
> >: first Yamaha I've had this trouble with, having owned and ridden them
> >: since '93.
> >
> >I couldn't get back on mine, either. I didn't realize how much the
> >strap on the Ventures helped until it wasn't there. I bought 3' of
> >1" webbing and sewed it together to make a loop and then wrapped it
> >around the seat. Problem solved.
> >
> >--
> >
> >Scott O'Connell
> >Spectrum Data Services
> >sco...@sds.com
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Fagan Pace
Tom, you make some valid points about the xl not being as agressive as
some of the two seaters . However,nearly all of the posts I've seen of
the city to city three seater testing, showed that the majority of
people involved in these tests roundly praised the xl1200 handling .
This doesn't mean it's going to be everyone's favorite ,but this seems
to be a common opinion. As far as reboarding the boat, again a
difference of opinion. I find the xl1200 is absolutely no problem for me
to board. As they say , your results may differ. The Yamaha triples
undeniably burn lots of fuel, but when the much vaunted XPL saw nothing
but the back of my gp today, I really didn't care.
Regards, Fagan Pace
James Hornyak
I,m sure the person on the XP-L was breaking it in and doing no more
than 6,000 RPM.. Sarge 707
Fagan Pace
well sarge if you call 15 or so 3/4 to 1 mile races breaking it in then
I guess that's what he was doing. I doubt it was only turning 6000 rpm
w/ the throttle clamped.
Regards, Fagan Pace
W.S. O'Neal
I believe that that myth about Yamaha being a better salt water boat will
soon change in the minds of a few convertees.
Bill O'Neal
WCM
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Jerry Bransford wrote in message <351EEF...@cts.com>...
Jerry Bransford
W.S. O'Neal wrote:
>
> I believe that that myth about Yamaha being a better salt water boat will
> soon change in the minds of a few convertees.
That very well could be...(since I'm the Yamaha lover that rediscovered
Sea Doo after a recent ride of the new GTX Limited). BUT, two PWC
rental outfits up by where I live (near the ocean) and one further South
finally sold off the last of their rental Sea Doos and finished the
conversion back to Yamaha PWCs. Their feelings agreed on the same
thing... Sea Doos are great performers and more fun but don't do *as
well* in salt-water rental use as their Yamahas have done. One rental
store swore that because of maintenance issues he'd never buy Sea Doos
again for rental use, though his personal ride is a Sea Doo.
Jerry (who's probably buying a Sea Doo as his next boat)
John Hill
Good post and very balanced. However I like many were always told that
Yamaha had the only marine engine... the best for use in saltwater... the
other engines will not hold up by Yamaha dealers and in Yamaha ads.... I
bought into that big time also and bought 2 Yamahas. Folks that is just so
much brain washing. What is a marine engine anyway???
Sea Doo now calls it's engine a marine engine from Rotax Marine. Feel any
better. I tend to believe that Yamahas may be more reliable. Hey big CCs
producing much less HP per CC and drinking gas by the buckets. I'll buy
that. And Sea Doos tend to out perform the Yamaha engines and have better
performing hulls... their is always less reliabilty associated with higher
performance and I will accept that also. Me.. I want the performance and
reasonable reliability.
I only boat in saltwater and I have not had salt water related problems
with my 2 Yamahas or 3 Sea Doos. You flush them and lub them and they seem
to hold up fine. You neglect them and they all fall apart. They both use
the same Mikuni carbs and if you dont maintain them they will both
corrode. A Mikuni.in a Yamaha is the same as in a Doo and that goes for
many of the electronics,stainless fittings and etc....
My Yamahas all beltched blue smoke. My GP1200 with variable oil injection
was much, much better, but it still did load up more than the Sea Doos
while idling and bogged more off the line( not near as bad as my Raider
1100)..
Choose the one you like. They are both good boats. The XL1200s only serious
problem is its very high feul consumption coupled with the smallest gas
tank. If you want, give a slight edge to the Yamaha on reliabilty and a
big age on performance, rough water handling and gas consumption to the Sea
Doo. And then enjoy.
John
Jerry Bransford <jer...@nospam.cts.com> wrote in article
John Hill
I would not buy Doos for rental boats either... Just their increased
performance would be enough of a reason NOT to. And I think they will
require higher maintenance accordingly.
Again do you treat your PWC the way a rental boat is treated??? and are
they renting the High Performance Yamahas which are a different breed and
then maybe the only High performance Yamaha is one that has been to GroupK
so far... since an unmodified GP1200 was not very high performance last
year.
However, if you look inside a 97 XP you saw improvement and more quality
and that appears to be true in 98 also. They certainly used more
stainless hose clamps instead of those dumb plastic tie wraps that my
GP1200 was loaded up with everywhere last year..
John
Jerry Bransford <jer...@nospam.cts.com> wrote in article
<351F26...@cts.com>...
> W.S. O'Neal wrote:
> >
> > I believe that that myth about Yamaha being a better salt water boat
will
> > soon change in the minds of a few convertees.
>
> That very well could be...(since I'm the Yamaha lover that rediscovered
> Sea Doo after a recent ride of the new GTX Limited). BUT, two PWC
> rental outfits up by where I live (near the ocean) and one further South
> finally sold off the last of their rental Sea Doos and finished the
> conversion back to Yamaha PWCs. Their feelings agreed on the same
> thing... Sea Doos are great performers and more fun but don't do *as
> well* in salt-water rental use as their Yamahas have done. One rental
> store swore that because of maintenance issues he'd never buy Sea Doos
> again for rental use, though his personal ride is a Sea Doo.
>
> Jerry (who's probably buying a Sea Doo as his next boat)
> >
> > Bill O'Neal
> > WCM
> >
> > --
> > Bill @ E-MAIL: Water...@worldnet.att.net
> > Jerry Bransford wrote in message <351EEF...@cts.com>...
derri...@hotmail.com
In article <351ed378...@news.mindspring.com>,
kn...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> As you are looking at 3-seaters, the bigger boats, help us by telling
> us what kind of riding you are going to do. None of these may be the
> boat for you if you are looking to cruise any distance as they are
> really PIGS ON GAS! The XL1200 will run about 50 minutes on its
> putrid little gas tank, not very far at all! Having all this power
> comes at an awful price.....You spend most of Saturday hauling gas
> cans or searching for fuel docks.
>
> As this is your first PWC, how much riding experience did you have on
> someone else's or a rental unit?? If you have none, or very little,
> I'd recommend something in the 700-800cc class, maximum. Of course,
> you need to tell us what kind of riding you do before we can make a
> good recommendation...
>
> Larry...1200cc Yamahas guzzle 14 gallons PER HOUR at full throttle.
> They'll run a couple of hours at 40mph...but that's not why people buy
> 135hp PWC!
>
>
> >Any advise would help! I'm shopping for my first pwc. I want a three
seater.
> >I'm torn between the Yamaha xl 1200 and the seadoo gtx limited or the gtx
> >rfi. I'm leaning toward the yamaha, however I experienced a friend a couple
> >years ago at london bridge cruising through the canal at idle speed on a
> >yamaha. It was smoking so bad it was embarrasing. Do all yamaha's smoke
like
> >that. Anyone with experience, I would appreciate your input.
>
of the smoke down. A friend of mine traded his GTX in on one.
Christopher Paull
SeaDoo's have always had variable oil injection. With the exception
of the Yamaha 1200's (which also have variable oil injection, while
most other Yamaha's don't), SeaDoo's have always smoked much less than
Yamaha's.
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John, you admitted your GP1200 boggs and loads up. well than odvously it isn't
tuned properly!! take it to your local dealership and have them tune it so it
doesn't bogg or load. a well tuned GP1200 will load up if idled for a while(
all machines do to a extent) but should NEVER bogg. maybe that's the reason
YOUR GP1200 isn't going as fast as anyone elses?? just a suggestion.