GPS receiver - Magellan 3000xl or Garmin 12xl?
Quang Le
For the longer time, I have my eyes on the Magellan 3000xl. Just when I
have enough money to purchase it, there is the Garmin 12xl that every one
is talking about (sci.geo.satellite-nav).
What do guys think? I don't think I can be wrong buying either one.
But just curious, if you are buying one today, which one would you rather
purchase?
QLe.
Larry KN4IM
Quang Le <qua...@junkoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
I gave up! I had two Garmin gps38 and BOTH LEAKED! The 12xl will
leak, too! So, I spent the extra money on the Magellan 3000XL and
mounted the mount on the glovebox cover BEHIND the steering as
protected as you can get and still read the display. The very first
time I screwed up and flipped the ski, for ONLY 5 SECONDS underwater,
the Magellan 3000XL filled up with water! The water was running
across the display.
NONE OF THEM ARE WATERPROOF! If you buy one, plan on keeping it
inside a waterproof bag like the ones they have for walkie talkies.
I took all 3 back and got my money back. Dammit, I paid for
waterproof...you must deliver waterproof. More crap pawned off on the
marine consumer....Nuts!
Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"...just don't get it wet....fat chance!
Harry Krause
Larry KN4IM wrote:
While it is possible you got three defective units that leaked, the more
likely possibility is that no one "explained" what waterproof means when
it comes to marine instruments like a handheld GPS.
I don't think any so-called waterproof GPS is waterproof like your Timex
watch, or whatever you wear on your wrist. What they are is
"water-resistant." My wife has a Garmin 75 GPS on the top of the center
console of her boat. It's been rained upon in thunderstorms, it's been
deluged with salt water and it's been through a carwash and it still
keeps on ticking. It has never, however, been "under the water," the way
you describe it.
My feeling is that the word "waterproof" is misused by the entire marine
electronics industry. These devices...most of them...are
water-resistant, in that they will resist a splash (even a heavy one),
but they will not tolerate being submerged.
--
Harry Krause hkr...@gate.net
P.O. Box 7575 Jacksonville, Florida 32238
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Every exit is an entrance into something else.
Al McDermott
Quang Le wrote:
>
> For the longer time, I have my eyes on the Magellan 3000xl. Just when I
> have enough money to purchase it, there is the Garmin 12xl that every one
> is talking about (sci.geo.satellite-nav).
>
> What do guys think? I don't think I can be wrong buying either one.
> But just curious, if you are buying one today, which one would you rather
> purchase?
>
> QLe.
The Garmin is a paralel scanner ( which means it will find the sat's
faster). The Garmin also has more readilly available software for it,
right now (magellan is being realesed real soon). I bought the
magellan, (first bought the eagle explorer but took it back) because
it's rubber casing seemed more suited to jetski apps. It's also nice
because it wont slide of your dash of the car in corners.
So far i've been impressed with the magellan. I don't think eaither
purchase would be a bad decision. Remember though, this industry
changes tecknology almost faster than computers. Every 6-8 months
someone's new model will be faster, and have more waypoints etc.
Have fun with your new purchase
Thanks Al
Larry KN4IM
Harry Krause <hkr...@gate.net> wrote:
>
>While it is possible you got three defective units that leaked, the more
>likely possibility is that no one "explained" what waterproof means when
>it comes to marine instruments like a handheld GPS.
>
>I don't think any so-called waterproof GPS is waterproof like your Timex
>watch, or whatever you wear on your wrist. What they are is
>"water-resistant." My wife has a Garmin 75 GPS on the top of the center
>console of her boat. It's been rained upon in thunderstorms, it's been
>deluged with salt water and it's been through a carwash and it still
>keeps on ticking. It has never, however, been "under the water," the way
>you describe it.
Why does waterproof mean that it won't survive if I drop it in the
drink for 5 seconds? HOW UTTERLY STUPID! Waterproof SHOULD mean
EXACTLY what Timex meant. If it was water "resistant", then, dammit,
SAY SO! I'm not asking John Cameron Swayze to strap it to an Evinrude
prop for a cruise up the lake....I'm asking it to be totally free of
water if someone drops it overboard in 2 ft of water. I think for
$300+ it ought to be as waterproof as a $14 Timex. That CAN'T be
asking too much.
The other problem is how do they keep this nitrogen from leaking out
that's touted in the advertising?? 5 minutes? I don't think nitrogen
will stay in a leaky case that long!
>
>My feeling is that the word "waterproof" is misused by the entire marine
>electronics industry. These devices...most of them...are
>water-resistant, in that they will resist a splash (even a heavy one),
>but they will not tolerate being submerged.
>--
>
>Harry Krause hkr...@gate.net
>P.O. Box 7575 Jacksonville, Florida 32238
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>Every exit is an entrance into something else.
>
Waterproof means if I drop it in 100 ft of seawater, leave it there
until I can find the damn thing, and retrieve it...it will be beeping
to tell me it lost its lock on the satellite while it was on the
bottom and the case will STILL BE WATERPROOF! The display will NOT
fog up everytime you go out on a cold waterway in the morning. For
$300, they can do a LOT better.
Cheap marine store crap....all of them are full of cheap crap!
Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"....slipshod is totally unacceptable at these
prices....(dc:)
Harry Krause
Larry KN4IM wrote:
> Harry Krause <hkr...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >While it is possible you got three defective units that leaked, the
> more
> >likely possibility is that no one "explained" what waterproof means
> when
> >it comes to marine instruments like a handheld GPS.
> >
> >I don't think any so-called waterproof GPS is waterproof like your
> Timex
> >watch, or whatever you wear on your wrist. What they are is
> >"water-resistant."
> >
> Waterproof means if I drop it in 100 ft of seawater, leave it there
> until I can find the damn thing, and retrieve it...it will be beeping
> to tell me it lost its lock on the satellite while it was on the
> bottom and the case will STILL BE WATERPROOF! The display will NOT
> fog up everytime you go out on a cold waterway in the morning. For
> $300, they can do a LOT better.
>
> Cheap marine store crap....all of them are full of cheap crap!
> Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"....slipshod is totally unacceptable at these
> prices....(dc:)
I commiserate, But that's *your* definition of waterproof, not the
marine electronics industry's. I bought my first GPS unit about three
years ago. Got it at West Marine. When I examined it (it was a Garmin 75
with a full numeric keypad), I said to the store manager, "how the hell
can this be waterproof, with all these keys and stuff?"
He said, "it's not really waterproof, like a diver's watch. It's
splashproof. NONE of them are really truly waterproof."
These manufacturers should not be allowed to use the term waterproof.
But they do.
As for the fog in the display, almost all marine instruments do that,
whether they are filled with nitrogen or something even more exotic. I
once had a boat with a mechanical speedo that got so damp inside, I
thought the indicator needle would float off its attachment point.
I disagree about your comment regarding "cheap marine store crap." There
is nothing cheap in a marine store.
--
Harry Krause hkr...@gate.net
P.O. Box 7575 Jacksonville, Florida 32238
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I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is having.
Dr. Bob
Larry:
I was reading the sale ad from Boat/US over the weekend. The Apelco
(Raytheon) units have a description of "waterproof per CFR46" or some
such language. I don't have the ad in front of me so I can't quote it
exactly. I know you are a member, so take a look and see if you can
figger out what they mean. Raytheon has been in the biz long enough
to know what 'waterproof' really means, but they manage to qualify
'waterproof' with some standard. Got time to do the research for us?
There must be a reasonable answer to this problem somewhere!
dr bob
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kn...@mindspring.com.au (Larry KN4IM) wrote:
>Harry Krause <hkr...@gate.net> wrote:
>>
>>While it is possible you got three defective units that leaked, the more
>>likely possibility is that no one "explained" what waterproof means when
>>it comes to marine instruments like a handheld GPS.
>>
>>I don't think any so-called waterproof GPS is waterproof like your Timex
>>watch, or whatever you wear on your wrist. What they are is
>>"water-resistant." My wife has a Garmin 75 GPS on the top of the center
>>console of her boat. It's been rained upon in thunderstorms, it's been
>>deluged with salt water and it's been through a carwash and it still
>>keeps on ticking. It has never, however, been "under the water," the way
>>you describe it.
>Why does waterproof mean that it won't survive if I drop it in the
>drink for 5 seconds? HOW UTTERLY STUPID! Waterproof SHOULD mean
>EXACTLY what Timex meant. If it was water "resistant", then, dammit,
>SAY SO! I'm not asking John Cameron Swayze to strap it to an Evinrude
>prop for a cruise up the lake....I'm asking it to be totally free of
>water if someone drops it overboard in 2 ft of water. I think for
>$300+ it ought to be as waterproof as a $14 Timex. That CAN'T be
>asking too much.
>The other problem is how do they keep this nitrogen from leaking out
>that's touted in the advertising?? 5 minutes? I don't think nitrogen
>will stay in a leaky case that long!
>>
>>My feeling is that the word "waterproof" is misused by the entire marine
>>electronics industry. These devices...most of them...are
>>water-resistant, in that they will resist a splash (even a heavy one),
>>but they will not tolerate being submerged.
>>--
>>
>>Harry Krause hkr...@gate.net
>>P.O. Box 7575 Jacksonville, Florida 32238
>>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>Every exit is an entrance into something else.
>>
Corey Sullivan
>I gave up! I had two Garmin gps38 and BOTH LEAKED! The 12xl will
>leak, too! So, I spent the extra money on the Magellan 3000XL and
>mounted the mount on the glovebox cover BEHIND the steering as
>protected as you can get and still read the display. The very first
>time I screwed up and flipped the ski, for ONLY 5 SECONDS underwater,
>the Magellan 3000XL filled up with water! The water was running
>across the display.
>
>NONE OF THEM ARE WATERPROOF! If you buy one, plan on keeping it
>inside a waterproof bag like the ones they have for walkie talkies.
>
>I took all 3 back and got my money back. Dammit, I paid for
>waterproof...you must deliver waterproof. More crap pawned off on the
>marine consumer....Nuts!
>
>Larry, aboard "YamaHawg"...just don't get it wet....fat chance!
>
We (Tracy Watercraft) carry the Eagle GPS system. Its the best out there
but it is not waterproof. I dont see why others would be waterproof. To be
able to keep the optional plug-in cartridges dry and such would seem very
hard except in a plastic ZipLoc bag.
--
Corey Sullivan
rac...@aceinfo.com
http://www.bulletcomputers.com/users/sdman/
(Only Used Sea-Doo Showroom on the Web)
Tracy Watercraft
http://www.tracywatercraft.com/
Greg Ottria
I've had lots of luck with the Garmin 12XL. It's been flipped a lot and
still no leaks. I use a blue floater case that is not waterproof but will
float the GPS if it does go overboard.
--
Greg Ottria, KE6PTP
Castro Valley, California
Got...@Earthlink.net
1996 Sea Doo GTX
Corey Sullivan <webm...@tracywatercraft.com> wrote in article
<5n1vd1$s...@news.dx.net>...
Phil Muller
I think you should buy the Northstar 951xd for your jet ski! Ha! Ha! I
just bought one for my race boat. I comes with a built in differential.
Its speed reporting accuracy is within .0001% up to Mach II. It uses
Navioncs high resolution map decoding. Of course, it would take up your
whole dash panel and them some. At least the price is reasonable, about
$3,850 installed.
Randy
In article <5n04q2$6...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>, Quang Le <qua...@junkoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>For the longer time, I have my eyes on the Magellan 3000xl. Just when I
>have enough money to purchase it, there is the Garmin 12xl that every one
>is talking about (sci.geo.satellite-nav).
>
>What do guys think? I don't think I can be wrong buying either one.
>But just curious, if you are buying one today, which one would you rather
>purchase?
>
>QLe.
>
>
>
>
been splashed, and I even found it at the beach, it had fallen off of my ski,
and was sitting, totally in the water... not a drop of water, or fog...
The only problem I had with the damn thing is that you had to duct tape it to
a satellite for it to find one!... (lost it's lock real EZ)..
I now have the 12XL, and I LOVE IT... it has also gone on many Seadoo rides,
with no incident, and it's 12 channel receiver works great.
As a side note, I also tried the Eagle Explorer, and althougth it locked on
satellites well, I found it hard to operate, and un-intuitive..
My .02
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Bray Haven
<<I now have the 12XL, and I LOVE IT... it has also gone on many Seadoo
rides,
with no incident, and it's 12 channel receiver works great.
As a side note, I also tried the Eagle Explorer, and althougth it locked
on
satellites well, I found it hard to operate, and un-intuitive..>>
Go for the Garmin 12xl. These later generation 12 channels are way ahead
of their ancient cousins. I tried the Eagle too and didn't like it as
well. Though it (and the Garmin) was very powerful and will get fixes
under trees and in the car like the old boxes never would. Most figure
the 12 cahnnel format is to be the norm.
Greg S.
Ken Hinerman - Erols
Does anyone know of any Win95 software that will interface with the
Garmin 12XL to do waypoint planning, differential correction, and
dynamically keep track of your course as your moving.
Thanks Ken H.
chuc...@flash.net
Try these URLs for more info on GPS and map software:
http://www.bridge.de/~tom/garmin.htm
http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html
Chuck
article <33A15494...@saec.com>, hine...@saec.com says...
Al McDermott
Dr. Bob wrote:
>
> Larry:
>
> I was reading the sale ad from Boat/US over the weekend. The Apelco
> (Raytheon) units have a description of "waterproof per CFR46" or some
> such language. I don't have the ad in front of me so I can't quote it
> exactly. I know you are a member, so take a look and see if you can
> figger out what they mean. Raytheon has been in the biz long enough
> to know what 'waterproof' really means, but they manage to qualify
> 'waterproof' with some standard. Got time to do the research for us?
>
> There must be a reasonable answer to this problem somewhere!
>
> dr bob
The problem with waterproofing GPS, is they have to have a valve to
equal air pressure for different altitudes. Otherwise you keys, would
suck in, or press out as you went up a moiuntain, or took it on a
flight. This valve that equalizes air pressure is not waterproof, and
eventually will leak.
Mabey they should bring out a model allready presurized to the height
above sea level for differen t regions, and then waterproof them.
Most of this information can be found in newsgroup sci.geo.satellite
Thanks AL
Al McDermott
Ken Hinerman - Erols wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any Win95 software that will interface with the
> Garmin 12XL to do waypoint planning, differential correction, and
> dynamically keep track of your course as your moving.
>
> Thanks Ken H.
>
CHECK sci.geo.satellite
thanks AL
Josh
Al McDermott wrote:
I have been researching this quite a bit lately and have decided to go
with the Garmin GPS II Plus. It's waterproof to 30 feet and has many
more features than the GPS II. It would be comparable to the 12XL
except that you can turn it sideways and view the display in landscape
mode. There are a few other differences too, almost all for the
better. The one thing I've heard people complain about it when compared
to the 12XL is that it does not have the beep when you near a waypoint.
This isn't an issue for me. There's a great deal of information at this
page:
Tom's GPS II Plus Page
and from there you can get to his 12XL page. Oh, and from what I've
seen, the GPS II attaches fine with velcro, no need for a mounting
bracket, but I'll probably attach some sort of float to mine just in
case. BTW: The REI here in Sacramento has them for the usual going
price of $250, but just sent out a coupon to members worth 20% off any
item in the store. What a deal! :)
Oh! and almost forgot.... the GPS II interfaces with the same Win95
software apps that the 12XL does... and any software that does GPS does
Garmin....
Josh