On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-4, MNMikeW wrote:
> Moderate wrote:
> > -hh Wrote in message:
> > This guy was found mentally ill,...
I don't recall, but it doesn't matter because Trump has
deliberately reversed an Obama era SSA provision to exclude
known mentally ill people from buying any additional guns,
so the Republican party now "owns" responsibility for the
gun violence committed by the mentally ill, now & forever.
> > no evidence he was a conservative or liberal.
Bullshit: 'Right to Life' vs 'Freedom of Choice' have been
a longstanding conservative Republican -vs- liberal Democrat
hot button and have even become formal planks in Party platforms.
Need proof? Here ya go, from a "source" that you prefer to trust:
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/14/republican-party-platform-calls-right-life-defunding-planned-parenthood/>
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/06/democrat-party-platform-fully-embraces-planned-parenthood-abortion/>
> Facts don't matter to liberals. Check todays NYTs op-ed about the
> shooting. Unfucking real.
Just *which* NYT Op-Ed are you referring to? There's four of them
currently listed on the VA ballfield shooting.
And the first one I read said this, which cuts both ways:
"It is true that political rhetoric can set a tone that greases
the skids for a small number of people who are prone to violence
to act on those impulses. We have just gone through a political
cycle where that was on full display."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/opinion/virginia-baseball-shooting-anti-trump.html?ref=opinion>
BTW, the above paragraph was preceded with this:
"When Gabby Giffords wrote on Twitter, 'My heart is with my
former colleagues, their families & staff, and the US Capitol
Police – public servants and heroes today and every day,' she
was met with a sickening number of hateful responses, including
one that said, 'To bad it was not her.'"
In case you've forgotten, Giffords was a Democrat, so these
hate responses were from Republican-ideology-aligned assholes.
Next, this one:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/14/opinion/steve-scalise-congress-shot-alexandria-virginia.html?ref=opinion&_r=0>
...reminded us of how the PAC of Sarah Palin (yes, a Republican)
circulated a map that showed the targeted electoral districts
with stylized cross hairs ... which included Gabby Giffords, who
was subsequently shot at (and an innocent young girl killed).
It also went on to say:
"Conservatives and right-wing media were quick on Wednesday
to demand forceful condemnation of hate speech and crimes by
anti-Trump liberals. They’re right. Liberals should of course
be held to the same standard of decency that they ask of the right."
I'll remind you of the 2008 campaign, where the Right not only
tried the whole "birther" bit with Obama but also included
effigy lynchings amongst its racist and hateful vitrol.
Number 3:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/opinion/alexandria-virginia-baseball-shooting.html?ref=opinion>
"But truthfully, American politics has been mean and
verbally violent for a lot longer than Donald Trump’s been
in the White House. Pelosi — who’s often depicted as the
archvillain in Republican campaign ads — has been getting
death threats for years. Back in 2010 a San Francisco man
admitted to making more than 30 phone calls to Pelosi and
her family, threatening to kill her or blow up her house
if she voted for health care reform."
IIRC, you partisan boys have reminded us many times that
Pelosi's party affiliation is as a Democrat.
Continuing,
" To start, we need to come together on a consensus that
there’s something wrong with a country in which an average
of 93 people are killed with guns every day, in which gun
homicides are so common that news reports frequently don't
bother to mention how the murderer obtained his weapon,
and in which even multiple shootings often don’t make the
national news unless there’s some suggestion the crime
might be related to terrorism."
YMMV, but let's watch this news cycle and what, if anything,
gets proposed and/or changed. Anyone want to make a charity
bet that the only meaningful change (proposed and/or enacted)
will be that Congress will angle to have more police protection
for just themselves?
Lastly, #4:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/opinion/virginia-shooting-james-hodgkinson.html?ref=opinion>
"As for the right, they might want to avoid their own
politicized analysis of Wednesday’s violence, not least
because it will come back to haunt them the next time an
anti-abortion fanatic shoots his way into a Planned Parenthood
clinic or an anti-Muslim bigot stabs people on a train. There
are causes that explicitly advocate violence — Islamist
extremism, Marxist revolution, white supremacy — and inspire
their followers to kill. The Tea Party wasn’t one of them
during the Obama years. The Resistance isn’t one of them today.
An outlier here or there doesn’t disprove the point.
The reality of much of what passes for political violence
in America today is the product of what Philip Roth once
called 'the indigenous American berserk.' Hodgkinson seems
a representative type: a relatively normal man, with a
seemingly normal life, a bit of a loser, a few axes to grind.
Then: Boom. Another awful postal moment, stirred by
frustration or loneliness or impulse, loosely yoked to a
political cause.
But the fact that events are frightening, bloody and tragic
doesn't necessarily make them especially meaningful.
Americans are outraged; our politics are angry. It was
ever thus. In a nation of 320 million someone fired a gun,
shot people and got shot. It shouldn't be like that. It is.
As for gun control, we'll learn more about Hodgkinson in
the days ahead. But it would take something close to repeal
of the Second Amendment to keep someone with his general
profile from owning a rifle.
In 2011 the left wanted to blame millions of Americans
for the acts of one crazed man. The indictment served nobody.
In 2017 the right may seek to do the same. Bad idea."
TL;DR: there's hypocrite assholes ... don't be one of them.
-hh