info
Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
OT: Read this and tell me the fix wasn't in...
37 views
Skip to first unread message
Alan Baker
Dec 17, 2014, 6:42:13 PM12/17/14
to
'Sandy McElroy was never near Canfield Drive on August 9. She
completely fabricated her entire story weeks after Darren Wilson killed
Mike Brown. During their interrogation of her, Sandy McElroy was
completely shredded by the FBI as a racist, a liar, unstable, and more.
They proved in their own interview, with evidence, that McElroy lied
about ever being there, about how she left the scene, about key details
of the case that she claimed she witnessed, and more.
Furthermore, Sandy McElroy, beyond being a convicted felon, had a
record in St. Louis of interfering with investigations and making
preposterous claims about connections she had to cold cases. All of
this was known to St. Louis officials. Her extreme racism was not
private, but public, and was discussed at great length with the FBI
before she was ever allowed to testify before the grand jury.
You must understand, then, that Sandy McElroy, whose testimony matches
that of Darren Wilson's better than any witness who testified, was only
called to the grand jury, not once, but twice, and allowed to present
concocted physical evidence at that, because she was a neutron bomb for
this case. Not ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE proving that she was there could
be found and scores of evidence that she made the entire thing up was
presented weeks before she was ever allowed to testify before the grand
jury, but it was all deliberately ignored.'
<http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/16/1352210/-How-Sandy-McElroy-and-Prosecutor-Bob-McCulloch-colluded-to-destroy-the-case-against-Darren-Wilson#>
Why was her testimony even allowed?
completely fabricated her entire story weeks after Darren Wilson killed
Mike Brown. During their interrogation of her, Sandy McElroy was
completely shredded by the FBI as a racist, a liar, unstable, and more.
They proved in their own interview, with evidence, that McElroy lied
about ever being there, about how she left the scene, about key details
of the case that she claimed she witnessed, and more.
Furthermore, Sandy McElroy, beyond being a convicted felon, had a
record in St. Louis of interfering with investigations and making
preposterous claims about connections she had to cold cases. All of
this was known to St. Louis officials. Her extreme racism was not
private, but public, and was discussed at great length with the FBI
before she was ever allowed to testify before the grand jury.
You must understand, then, that Sandy McElroy, whose testimony matches
that of Darren Wilson's better than any witness who testified, was only
called to the grand jury, not once, but twice, and allowed to present
concocted physical evidence at that, because she was a neutron bomb for
this case. Not ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE proving that she was there could
be found and scores of evidence that she made the entire thing up was
presented weeks before she was ever allowed to testify before the grand
jury, but it was all deliberately ignored.'
<http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/16/1352210/-How-Sandy-McElroy-and-Prosecutor-Bob-McCulloch-colluded-to-destroy-the-case-against-Darren-Wilson#>
Why was her testimony even allowed?
gibsonsgolfer
Dec 17, 2014, 7:06:45 PM12/17/14
to
Alan ... why do you start threads like this?
I can, sort of, understand why you reply to the bozos who make the comments related to you personally in some of the discussions. I say, sort of, because I would just ignore them, but you seem to feel a need to respond.
However, while this post may be a good discussion starter, it is not a conversation for a golf forum but somewhere else. And, yes, I know many folks other than you start discussions like this in this forum and it all but has broken the whole idea behind rec.sport.golf.
Cheers, and I hope to play golf with you in the spring, Bob
I can, sort of, understand why you reply to the bozos who make the comments related to you personally in some of the discussions. I say, sort of, because I would just ignore them, but you seem to feel a need to respond.
However, while this post may be a good discussion starter, it is not a conversation for a golf forum but somewhere else. And, yes, I know many folks other than you start discussions like this in this forum and it all but has broken the whole idea behind rec.sport.golf.
Cheers, and I hope to play golf with you in the spring, Bob
Alan Baker
Dec 17, 2014, 7:15:30 PM12/17/14
to
On 2014-12-18 00:06:44 +0000, gibsonsgolfer said:
> Alan ... why do you start threads like this?
>
> I can, sort of, understand why you reply to the bozos who make the
> comments related to you personally in some of the discussions. I say,
> sort of, because I would just ignore them, but you seem to feel a need
> to respond.
>
> However, while this post may be a good discussion starter, it is not a
> conversation for a golf forum but somewhere else. And, yes, I know many
> folks other than you start discussions like this in this forum and it
> all but has broken the whole idea behind rec.sport.golf.
Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
> Alan ... why do you start threads like this?
>
> I can, sort of, understand why you reply to the bozos who make the
> comments related to you personally in some of the discussions. I say,
> sort of, because I would just ignore them, but you seem to feel a need
> to respond.
>
> However, while this post may be a good discussion starter, it is not a
> conversation for a golf forum but somewhere else. And, yes, I know many
> folks other than you start discussions like this in this forum and it
> all but has broken the whole idea behind rec.sport.golf.
politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people. And given
the way the world is going, I don't think RSG will ever go back to
really being about golf again.
However, I do carefully label the off-topic posts I make as such, and
so they can easily be filtered out by anyone who doesn't want to read
them.
>
> Cheers, and I hope to play golf with you in the spring, Bob
Have a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year...
...and my Santa leave you something nice.
:-)
Carbon
Dec 17, 2014, 9:28:28 PM12/17/14
to
Iraq. He was known to be completely unreliable but he was willing to say
whatever his listeners wanted to hear.
Alan Baker
Dec 17, 2014, 10:59:34 PM12/17/14
to
...you know...
...actually did their jobs.
:-)
Carbon
Dec 18, 2014, 3:51:51 AM12/18/14
to
racism is an issue here is either totally deluded or lying.
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 6:29:12 AM12/18/14
to
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
Nobody is denying racism. We saw plenty in the aftermath of the
grand jury decision. It is the flaming liberals like you two
Kannucks who can't be objective about the facts or evidence in
this case that fuel racism.
Your agenda driven bias is appalling.
grand jury decision. It is the flaming liberals like you two
Kannucks who can't be objective about the facts or evidence in
this case that fuel racism.
Your agenda driven bias is appalling.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 6:32:47 AM12/18/14
to
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 9:55:30 AM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:29:09 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:
Your social and political extremism is appalling.
Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as an
excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of your
bias.
wrote:
Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as an
excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of your
bias.
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 10:49:59 AM12/18/14
to
BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
Thanks for proving my point once again. Your insististence that
these criminals are victims is a big part of the
problem.
The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
Brown's death was a result of racism.
Evidence is real. Your pathetic emotional reaction has no factual
basis. You are the problem.
these criminals are victims is a big part of the
problem.
The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
Brown's death was a result of racism.
Evidence is real. Your pathetic emotional reaction has no factual
basis. You are the problem.
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 11:07:30 AM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:49:51 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
my sentence that I think that the rioters were victims. Can you not
read? The fact that you try to make the comparison shows your
bigotry.
>
>The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> Brown's death was a result of racism.
No, there was no racism in his death, just a bad decision by a cop.
Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
country and you try to reverse it to being by blacks because of a
relatively minor criminal element. You aren't only a bug-eyed right
wing extremist, you're a blithering idiot. You must have loved George
Wallace.
Thanks. You make it obvious that there really is bigotry and small
mindedness on the far right.
wrote:
>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:29:09 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Nobody is denying racism. We saw plenty in the aftermath of the
>>> grand jury decision. It is the flaming liberals like you two
>>> Kannucks who can't be objective about the facts or evidence in
>>> this case that fuel racism.
>>>
>>>Your agenda driven bias is appalling.
>>
>> Your social and political extremism is appalling.
>>
>> Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as an
>> excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of your
>> bias.
>
>Thanks for proving my point once again. Your insististence that
> these criminals are victims is a big part of the
> problem.
You have to be kidding. Only a stupid, myopic, idiot would take from
>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:29:09 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Nobody is denying racism. We saw plenty in the aftermath of the
>>> grand jury decision. It is the flaming liberals like you two
>>> Kannucks who can't be objective about the facts or evidence in
>>> this case that fuel racism.
>>>
>>>Your agenda driven bias is appalling.
>>
>> Your social and political extremism is appalling.
>>
>> Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as an
>> excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of your
>> bias.
>
>Thanks for proving my point once again. Your insististence that
> these criminals are victims is a big part of the
> problem.
my sentence that I think that the rioters were victims. Can you not
read? The fact that you try to make the comparison shows your
bigotry.
>
>The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> Brown's death was a result of racism.
Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
>
>Evidence is real. Your pathetic emotional reaction has no factual
> basis. You are the problem.
Emotional reaction? The facts are there. There IS racism in our
>Evidence is real. Your pathetic emotional reaction has no factual
> basis. You are the problem.
country and you try to reverse it to being by blacks because of a
relatively minor criminal element. You aren't only a bug-eyed right
wing extremist, you're a blithering idiot. You must have loved George
Wallace.
Thanks. You make it obvious that there really is bigotry and small
mindedness on the far right.
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 11:57:48 AM12/18/14
to
evidence of racism in the shooting of Brown. You you played the
race card in defending the actions of the criminal rioters. You
are the problem.
Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
didn't never started a riot.
Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
his own death.
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 12:44:05 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:57:44 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
You are a fucking idiot. Cute to delete my words, but here they are
again:
defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
> didn't never started a riot.
LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
doubt it.
Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
to change any minds about you here.
again:
"Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as
an excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of
your bias".
Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
an excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of
your bias".
defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
> didn't never started a riot.
doubt it.
>
>Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
> his own death.
I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
> his own death.
Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
to change any minds about you here.
MNMikeW
Dec 18, 2014, 1:13:47 PM12/18/14
to
BobbyK wrote:
>
> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>
> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>
>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>> didn't never started a riot.
>
> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
> doubt it.
So your premise here is that minorities are incapable of racism then?
>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>> didn't never started a riot.
>
> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
> doubt it.
>>
>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>> his own death.
>
> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>
> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
> to change any minds about you here.
You are seeing things again.
>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>> his own death.
>
> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>
> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
> to change any minds about you here.
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 1:29:26 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>BobbyK wrote:
>
>>
>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>
>Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>
Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
>BobbyK wrote:
>
>>
>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>
>Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>
not defend them.
>>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>>> didn't never started a riot.
>>
>> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
>> doubt it.
>
>So your premise here is that minorities are incapable of racism then?
>>>
>>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>>> his own death.
>>
>> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>>
>> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
>> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
>> to change any minds about you here.
>
>You are seeing things again.
Yep, and recognizing them for what they are.
>>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>>> his own death.
>>
>> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>>
>> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
>> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
>> to change any minds about you here.
>
>You are seeing things again.
Dene
Dec 18, 2014, 2:18:42 PM12/18/14
to
On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:07:30 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
> >
> >The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> > impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> > Brown's death was a result of racism.
>
> No, there was no racism in his death, just a bad decision by a cop.
> Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
Stupid decisions....hmmm. What exactly should have Wilson done differently. Jumped back in his SUV...lock the door....and wait for help??
> >
> >The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> > impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> > Brown's death was a result of racism.
>
> No, there was no racism in his death, just a bad decision by a cop.
> Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
Remember...his job is to apprehend criminals.
-Greg
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 2:22:19 PM12/18/14
to
Or had you forgotten that?
MNMikeW
Dec 18, 2014, 2:23:35 PM12/18/14
to
BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>>
>> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>>
> Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
> not defend them.
Perhaps. But your statement that its stupidity to show where there is a
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>>
>> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>>
> Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
> not defend them.
trace of defense of them is wrong. Here is an example.
http://time.com/3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/#3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/
>
>>>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>>>> didn't never started a riot.
>>>
>>> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
>>> doubt it.
>>
>> So your premise here is that minorities are incapable of racism then?
>
> No, I just doubt that he's been a victim of anything but stupidity.
So, your "unless you're a minority" statement was wrong also.
>>>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>>>> didn't never started a riot.
>>>
>>> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
>>> doubt it.
>>
>> So your premise here is that minorities are incapable of racism then?
>
> No, I just doubt that he's been a victim of anything but stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>>>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>>>> his own death.
>>>
>>> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>>>
>>> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
>>> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
>>> to change any minds about you here.
>>
>> You are seeing things again.
>
> Yep, and recognizing them for what they are.
Many on the left see racism at every turn.
>>>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>>>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>>>> his own death.
>>>
>>> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>>>
>>> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
>>> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
>>> to change any minds about you here.
>>
>> You are seeing things again.
>
> Yep, and recognizing them for what they are.
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 2:24:29 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:18:40 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:
We have different views as to what happened Greg. Rehashing them
isn't going to make a difference. IMO Wilson acted rashly. You don't
think so. We aren't going to agree on this.
wrote:
isn't going to make a difference. IMO Wilson acted rashly. You don't
think so. We aren't going to agree on this.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 2:40:32 PM12/18/14
to
Greg is perfectly willing to believe some portions of what was testified...
...even in the face of clear evidence that it was fabricated...
...while ignoring other testimony.
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 2:51:21 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:23:33 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>BobbyK wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BobbyK wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>>>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>>>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>>>
>>> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>>> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>>>
>> Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
>> not defend them.
>
>Perhaps. But your statement that its stupidity to show where there is a
>trace of defense of them is wrong. Here is an example.
I was referring to my statement, nothing else.
>BobbyK wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BobbyK wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>>>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>>>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>>>
>>> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>>> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>>>
>> Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
>> not defend them.
>
>Perhaps. But your statement that its stupidity to show where there is a
>trace of defense of them is wrong. Here is an example.
>
>http://time.com/3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/#3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/
IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
violence. Period.
>>
>>>>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>>>>> didn't never started a riot.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
>>>> doubt it.
>>>
>>> So your premise here is that minorities are incapable of racism then?
>>
>> No, I just doubt that he's been a victim of anything but stupidity.
>
>So, your "unless you're a minority" statement was wrong also.
>>>>>
I've been called a "honkie" but I don't consider myself to be a
>>>>> Who hasn't been the victim of racism? I certainly have, but I
>>>>> didn't never started a riot.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. You've been a victim of racism? Unless you're a minority I
>>>> doubt it.
>>>
>>> So your premise here is that minorities are incapable of racism then?
>>
>> No, I just doubt that he's been a victim of anything but stupidity.
>
>So, your "unless you're a minority" statement was wrong also.
>>>>>
victim. If he's not a minority it certainly will be transitory and
not a way of life.
>>>>> Brown made the bad decisions. Officer Wilson did as he was
>>>>> trained. Stop making the criminals the good guys. Brown caused
>>>>> his own death.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so. And your opinion is racially biased.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you just man up and admit that you have biases against
>>>> blacks. It's patently obvious from your statements. It isn't going
>>>> to change any minds about you here.
>>>
>>> You are seeing things again.
>>
>> Yep, and recognizing them for what they are.
>
>Many on the left see racism at every turn.
It's there, always has been and if you don't see it where you live
then good. I doubt that though.
Since LBJ, things have either gotten better or hidden better, but if
you think that racism doesn't exist you're fooling yourself. Sure
"racism" is a catchword and sometimes used as an dodge, but that
doesn't mean it isn't prevalent.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 2:58:18 PM12/18/14
to
On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:23:33 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BobbyK wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>>>>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>>>>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>>>> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>>>>
>>> Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
>>> not defend them.
>>
>> Perhaps. But your statement that its stupidity to show where there is a
>> trace of defense of them is wrong. Here is an example.
>
> I was referring to my statement, nothing else.
>>
>> http://time.com/3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/#3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/
>>
>
> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
> violence. Period.
Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:23:33 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> BobbyK wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:45 -0600, MNMikeW<mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BobbyK wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
>>>>> defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
>>>>> fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
>>>> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
>>>>>
>>> Call them whatever you like. I loathe what they did and certainly did
>>> not defend them.
>>
>> Perhaps. But your statement that its stupidity to show where there is a
>> trace of defense of them is wrong. Here is an example.
>
> I was referring to my statement, nothing else.
>>
>> http://time.com/3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/#3605606/ferguson-in-defense-of-rioting/
>>
>
> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
> violence. Period.
...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
But Ferguson started out as protests...
...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 3:02:19 PM12/18/14
to
Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>
> It's far worse than just an agreement.
>
> Greg is perfectly willing to believe some portions of what was testified...
>
> ...even in the face of clear evidence that it was fabricated...
>
> ...while ignoring other testimony.
That has been your position all along.
> It's far worse than just an agreement.
>
> Greg is perfectly willing to believe some portions of what was testified...
>
> ...even in the face of clear evidence that it was fabricated...
>
> ...while ignoring other testimony.
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 3:06:49 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
wrote:
And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
Utter Bullshit.
wrote:
goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
Utter Bullshit.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 3:17:54 PM12/18/14
to
>
> Utter Bullshit.
So was the Boston Tea Party "Utter Bullshit"?
How about Tiananmen Square?
The storming of the Bastille?
Do you think that all protests can be carried out without some people
getting out of hand?
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 3:19:34 PM12/18/14
to
My position is that one should examine ALL the testimony in light of
the evidence...
...not just one side.
For instance, one should examine Wilson's claim he was being struck so
hard in the face he feared another blow would knock him unconscious in
the light of the fact...
...yes: FACT...
...that he suffered no facial bruising at all.
:-)
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 3:24:17 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:17:52 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
There is was no excuse for the violence in Ferguson. None.
Your need to wallow in another argument is denied.
Your need to wallow in another argument is denied.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 3:44:58 PM12/18/14
to
On 2014-12-18 20:24:14 +0000, BobbyK said:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:17:52 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-18 20:06:47 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
>>>>> violence. Period.
>>>>
>>>> Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
>>>>
>>>> But Ferguson started out as protests...
>>>>
>>>> ...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>>>
>>> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
>>> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>>
>> No. I just said that.
Did you read this?
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:17:52 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-18 20:06:47 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
>>>>> violence. Period.
>>>>
>>>> Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
>>>>
>>>> But Ferguson started out as protests...
>>>>
>>>> ...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>>>
>>> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
>>> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>>
>> No. I just said that.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Utter Bullshit.
>>
>> So was the Boston Tea Party "Utter Bullshit"?
>
>>
>> How about Tiananmen Square?
>>
>> The storming of the Bastille?
>>
>> Do you think that all protests can be carried out without some people
>> getting out of hand?
>
>
> There is was no excuse for the violence in Ferguson. None.
> Your need to wallow in another argument is denied.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
John B.
Dec 18, 2014, 3:49:03 PM12/18/14
to
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:15:30 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2014-12-18 00:06:44 +0000, gibsonsgolfer said:
>
> > Alan ... why do you start threads like this?
> >
> > I can, sort of, understand why you reply to the bozos who make the
> > comments related to you personally in some of the discussions. I say,
> > sort of, because I would just ignore them, but you seem to feel a need
> > to respond.
> >
> > However, while this post may be a good discussion starter, it is not a
> > conversation for a golf forum but somewhere else. And, yes, I know many
> > folks other than you start discussions like this in this forum and it
> > all but has broken the whole idea behind rec.sport.golf.
>
> Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
> politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people. And given
> the way the world is going, I don't think RSG will ever go back to
> really being about golf again.
>
> However, I do carefully label the off-topic posts I make as such, and
> so they can easily be filtered out by anyone who doesn't want to read
> them.
>
> >
> > Cheers, and I hope to play golf with you in the spring, Bob
>
>
> Same here.
>
> Have a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year...
>
> ...and my Santa leave you something nice.
>
> :-)
You didn't answer his question.
> On 2014-12-18 00:06:44 +0000, gibsonsgolfer said:
>
> > Alan ... why do you start threads like this?
> >
> > I can, sort of, understand why you reply to the bozos who make the
> > comments related to you personally in some of the discussions. I say,
> > sort of, because I would just ignore them, but you seem to feel a need
> > to respond.
> >
> > However, while this post may be a good discussion starter, it is not a
> > conversation for a golf forum but somewhere else. And, yes, I know many
> > folks other than you start discussions like this in this forum and it
> > all but has broken the whole idea behind rec.sport.golf.
>
> Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
> politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people. And given
> the way the world is going, I don't think RSG will ever go back to
> really being about golf again.
>
> However, I do carefully label the off-topic posts I make as such, and
> so they can easily be filtered out by anyone who doesn't want to read
> them.
>
> >
> > Cheers, and I hope to play golf with you in the spring, Bob
>
>
> Same here.
>
> Have a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year...
>
> ...and my Santa leave you something nice.
>
> :-)
You didn't answer his question.
John B.
Dec 18, 2014, 3:50:15 PM12/18/14
to
You wouldn't argue with her, would you?
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 3:55:33 PM12/18/14
to
:-)
John B.
Dec 18, 2014, 3:56:14 PM12/18/14
to
On Thursday, December 18, 2014 1:13:47 PM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
> BobbyK wrote:
>
> >
> > Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
> > defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
> > fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>
> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
Some, maybe most, of the protesters didn't participate in the rioting.
> BobbyK wrote:
>
> >
> > Now, show even more stupidity and try to show where there's a trace of
> > defense for those rioters. There isn't, but since you've been made a
> > fool of again you just turn a biased, blind, eye to the truth.
>
> Actually the lamestream media portrays them as "protestors" not rioters.
> They rarely mention the riots. And some even say the rioting was justified.
John B.
Dec 18, 2014, 3:58:29 PM12/18/14
to
NG with post after post on the same subject. You said it
wasn't your fault that RSG has become more a political group
than a golf group.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 4:02:08 PM12/18/14
to
actually created by provocateurs acting on behalf of the police.
There were reports that the undercover cops discovered at the Oakland
protests had been inciting the protestors to violence.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 4:04:57 PM12/18/14
to
Sorry you don't seem to get it.
BTW, how is your participation in political threads really that
different from starting them?
Or starting threads like:
"Columbia S.C. cop shoots black man for no reason".
Well?
John B.
Dec 18, 2014, 5:54:47 PM12/18/14
to
started in five years.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 5:56:55 PM12/18/14
to
...if you do it a little?
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 6:00:00 PM12/18/14
to
> Yup. And there is also the chance that some of the violence was
> actually created by provocateurs acting on behalf of the police.
>
> There were reports that the undercover cops discovered at the Oakland
> protests had been inciting the protestors to violence.
This statement is the sum of your problem.
> actually created by provocateurs acting on behalf of the police.
>
> There were reports that the undercover cops discovered at the Oakland
> protests had been inciting the protestors to violence.
While you are busy educating Horvy and BK on statistics and
probability. Don't ignore their significance in evaluating
evidence.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 6:01:59 PM12/18/14
to
On 2014-12-18 22:59:57 +0000, Moderate said:
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Yup. And there is also the chance that some of the violence was
>> actually created by provocateurs acting on behalf of the police.
>>
>> There were reports that the undercover cops discovered at the Oakland
>> protests had been inciting the protestors to violence.
>
> This statement is the sum of your problem.
Really? How so?
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Yup. And there is also the chance that some of the violence was
>> actually created by provocateurs acting on behalf of the police.
>>
>> There were reports that the undercover cops discovered at the Oakland
>> protests had been inciting the protestors to violence.
>
> This statement is the sum of your problem.
>
> While you are busy educating Horvy and BK on statistics and
> probability. Don't ignore their significance in evaluating
> evidence.
Care to try again; perhaps without being so deliberately vague?
MNMikeW
Dec 18, 2014, 6:12:50 PM12/18/14
to
moron.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 6:48:05 PM12/18/14
to
'Beyond collecting information, some of the undercover officers or
their associates are seen on the tape having influence on events. At a
demonstration last year during the Republican National Convention, the
sham arrest of a man secretly working with the police led to a bruising
confrontation between officers in riot gear and bystanders.'
<http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9905E5D91430F931A15751C1A9639C8B63>
'When a Jefferson County deputy unleashed pepper spray at unruly
protesters on the first night of the Democratic National Convention, he
did not know that his targets were undercover Denver police officers.
Now the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado is questioning
whether that staged confrontation by police pretending to be violent
inflamed other protesters or officers during the most intense night of
the four-day event.'
<http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10920817>
<http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/12/22/nyregion/20051222_POLICE_GRAPHIC.html>
This is just what I was able to find in about 30 seconds...
Carbon
Dec 18, 2014, 7:06:40 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:49:51 -0600, Moderate wrote:
> BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:29:09 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody is denying racism. We saw plenty in the aftermath of the grand
>>> jury decision. It is the flaming liberals like you two Kannucks who
>>> can't be objective about the facts or evidence in this case that fuel
>>> racism.
>>>
>>> Your agenda driven bias is appalling.
>>
>> Your social and political extremism is appalling.
>>
>> Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as an
>> excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of your
>> bias.
>
> Thanks for proving my point once again. Your insististence that these
> criminals are victims is a big part of the problem.
> You are the problem.
Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
you.
> BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:29:09 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody is denying racism. We saw plenty in the aftermath of the grand
>>> jury decision. It is the flaming liberals like you two Kannucks who
>>> can't be objective about the facts or evidence in this case that fuel
>>> racism.
>>>
>>> Your agenda driven bias is appalling.
>>
>> Your social and political extremism is appalling.
>>
>> Comparing the actions of criminals who used the Ferguson debacle as an
>> excuse for rioting to years of racism is a not-so-subtle show of your
>> bias.
>
> Thanks for proving my point once again. Your insististence that these
> criminals are victims is a big part of the problem.
>
> The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that Brown's
> death was a result of racism.
>
> Evidence is real. Your pathetic emotional reaction has no factual basis.
> The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that Brown's
> death was a result of racism.
>
> You are the problem.
Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
you.
Carbon
Dec 18, 2014, 7:13:13 PM12/18/14
to
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 7:20:44 PM12/18/14
to
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>
> Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
> you.
I used to think you were borderline retarded. Now I don't care.
> Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
> you.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 7:23:31 PM12/18/14
to
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 7:28:19 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:20:41 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
>> you.
>
>I used to think.
Too bad you stopped.
wrote:
>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>> Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
>> you.
>
Too bad you stopped.
Alan Baker
Dec 18, 2014, 7:30:08 PM12/18/14
to
Moderate
Dec 18, 2014, 7:57:35 PM12/18/14
to
BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
BobbyK
Dec 18, 2014, 8:13:44 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:57:31 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote:
>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:20:41 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
>>>> you.
>>>
>>>I used to think.
>>
>> Too bad you stopped.
>
>Another Boobyism.
QED
>BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:20:41 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> Or, you're just too fucking stupid to understand what is right in front of
>>>> you.
>>>
>>>I used to think.
>>
>> Too bad you stopped.
>
>Another Boobyism.
Message has been deleted
Horva...@net.net
Dec 18, 2014, 9:53:08 PM12/18/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:20:41 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
wrote this crap:
I agree. Everybody knows you have a computer in front of you or you
wouldn't be reading this.
Merry Christmas everyone. God bless us all.
God bless America.
wrote this crap:
wouldn't be reading this.
Merry Christmas everyone. God bless us all.
God bless America.
Dene
Dec 19, 2014, 4:29:21 PM12/19/14
to
-Greg
Alan Baker
Dec 19, 2014, 4:31:01 PM12/19/14
to
:-)
Dene
Dec 19, 2014, 4:31:53 PM12/19/14
to
On Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:06:49 PM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>
> >>
> >> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
> >> violence. Period.
> >
> >Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
> >
> >
> >...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
> >
> >
> >Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
> >
> >But Ferguson started out as protests...
> >
> >...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>
> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>
> Utter Bullshit.
Truly.
Heard a Ferguson joke at the club yesterday.
What was the one item that left behind during the Ferguson looting?
Answer...
Work boots.
-Greg
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>
> >>
> >> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
> >> violence. Period.
> >
> >Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
> >
> >
> >...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
> >
> >
> >Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
> >
> >But Ferguson started out as protests...
> >
> >...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>
> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>
> Utter Bullshit.
Truly.
Heard a Ferguson joke at the club yesterday.
What was the one item that left behind during the Ferguson looting?
Answer...
Work boots.
-Greg
Alan Baker
Dec 19, 2014, 4:32:48 PM12/19/14
to
Dene
Dec 19, 2014, 4:36:48 PM12/19/14
to
On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:29 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:18:40 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >> Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
> >
> >Stupid decisions....hmmm. What exactly should have Wilson done differently. Jumped back in his SUV...lock the door....and wait for help??
> >
> >Remember...his job is to apprehend criminals.
>
> We have different views as to what happened Greg. Rehashing them
> isn't going to make a difference. IMO Wilson acted rashly. You don't
> think so. We aren't going to agree on this.
That's fine Bobby. I can accept that we disagree. What I don't recall was specifics from you as to what Wilson should have done. I don't think locking himself in his SUV is a viable option. Nor engaging him in a wrestling match. Again...a local police chief in my community did that and was killed with his own gun. So...what option does that leave Officer Wilson. If you don't want to answer that, BK...that's fine. I'll entertain other opinions, unless they come from UA.
-Greg
-Greg
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:18:40 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:07:30 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> >> > impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> >> > Brown's death was a result of racism.
> >>
> >> No, there was no racism in his death, just a bad decision by a cop.
> >On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:07:30 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> >> > impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> >> > Brown's death was a result of racism.
> >>
> >> Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
> >
> >Stupid decisions....hmmm. What exactly should have Wilson done differently. Jumped back in his SUV...lock the door....and wait for help??
> >
> >Remember...his job is to apprehend criminals.
>
> We have different views as to what happened Greg. Rehashing them
> isn't going to make a difference. IMO Wilson acted rashly. You don't
> think so. We aren't going to agree on this.
That's fine Bobby. I can accept that we disagree. What I don't recall was specifics from you as to what Wilson should have done. I don't think locking himself in his SUV is a viable option. Nor engaging him in a wrestling match. Again...a local police chief in my community did that and was killed with his own gun. So...what option does that leave Officer Wilson. If you don't want to answer that, BK...that's fine. I'll entertain other opinions, unless they come from UA.
-Greg
-Greg
BobbyK
Dec 19, 2014, 4:49:56 PM12/19/14
to
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:36:47 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
opposing witness statements for me to make such a statement. IMO
there had to be something short of killing Brown.
> I don't think locking himself in his SUV is a viable option. Nor engaging him in a wrestling match.
>Again...a local police chief in my community did that and was killed with his own gun.
That's one situation. We don't know what would've happened in any
other event. That's just guessing.
wrote:
>On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:29 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:18:40 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:07:30 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
>> >> > impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
>> >> > Brown's death was a result of racism.
>> >>
>> >> No, there was no racism in his death, just a bad decision by a cop.
>> >> Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
>> >
>> >Stupid decisions....hmmm. What exactly should have Wilson done differently. Jumped back in his SUV...lock the door....and wait for help??
>> >
>> >Remember...his job is to apprehend criminals.
>>
>> We have different views as to what happened Greg. Rehashing them
>> isn't going to make a difference. IMO Wilson acted rashly. You don't
>> think so. We aren't going to agree on this.
>
>That's fine Bobby. I can accept that we disagree. What I don't recall was specifics from you as to what Wilson should have done.
We would have to first agree on what happened, and there are too many
>On Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:24:29 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:18:40 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:07:30 AM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> >The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
>> >> > impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
>> >> > Brown's death was a result of racism.
>> >>
>> >> No, there was no racism in his death, just a bad decision by a cop.
>> >> Wilson was a victim of his own stupidity.
>> >
>> >Stupid decisions....hmmm. What exactly should have Wilson done differently. Jumped back in his SUV...lock the door....and wait for help??
>> >
>> >Remember...his job is to apprehend criminals.
>>
>> We have different views as to what happened Greg. Rehashing them
>> isn't going to make a difference. IMO Wilson acted rashly. You don't
>> think so. We aren't going to agree on this.
>
>That's fine Bobby. I can accept that we disagree. What I don't recall was specifics from you as to what Wilson should have done.
opposing witness statements for me to make such a statement. IMO
there had to be something short of killing Brown.
> I don't think locking himself in his SUV is a viable option. Nor engaging him in a wrestling match.
>Again...a local police chief in my community did that and was killed with his own gun.
other event. That's just guessing.
>So...what option does that leave Officer Wilson. If you don't want to answer that, BK...that's fine.
>I'll entertain other opinions, unless they come from UA.
Oh, you'll get that. Just don't respond.
>I'll entertain other opinions, unless they come from UA.
Nashton
Dec 19, 2014, 6:58:50 PM12/19/14
to
it's OK.....
.......if you do a little.
>
David Laville
Dec 19, 2014, 6:59:40 PM12/19/14
to
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:15:24 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
wrote:
>Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
>politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people.
And you're just as guilty because you made your fair share of off
topic and political post.
> And given
>the way the world is going, I don't think RSG will ever go back to
>really being about golf again.
Not as long as you keep starting and contributing to the off topic
post.
Thanks for proving why you've earned the reputation of the Usenet
idiot.
wrote:
>Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
>politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people.
topic and political post.
> And given
>the way the world is going, I don't think RSG will ever go back to
>really being about golf again.
post.
Thanks for proving why you've earned the reputation of the Usenet
idiot.
David Laville
Dec 19, 2014, 6:59:55 PM12/19/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:51:50 GMT, Carbon
<nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>I've lived in the South for more than a decade. Anyone who denies that
>racism is an issue here is either totally deluded or lying.
Than why do you live there? All you do is bitch about the racism of
<nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>I've lived in the South for more than a decade. Anyone who denies that
>racism is an issue here is either totally deluded or lying.
where you live but you continue to live there in bliss.
David Laville
Dec 19, 2014, 7:00:03 PM12/19/14
to
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:07:26 -0600, BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net>
wrote:
>Emotional reaction? The facts are there. There IS racism in our
>country and you try to reverse it to being by blacks because of a
>relatively minor criminal element. You aren't only a bug-eyed right
>wing extremist, you're a blithering idiot. You must have loved George
>Wallace.
Wasn't George Wallace a democrat?
wrote:
>Emotional reaction? The facts are there. There IS racism in our
>country and you try to reverse it to being by blacks because of a
>relatively minor criminal element. You aren't only a bug-eyed right
>wing extremist, you're a blithering idiot. You must have loved George
>Wallace.
Wasn't George Wallace a democrat?
Horva...@net.net
Dec 19, 2014, 7:33:49 PM12/19/14
to
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:00:03 -0600, David Laville
<dlav...@bellsouth.net> wrote this crap:
From his head, all the way down to the bottom of his wheelchair.
<dlav...@bellsouth.net> wrote this crap:
Carbon
Dec 19, 2014, 7:57:03 PM12/19/14
to
Carbon
Dec 19, 2014, 7:57:47 PM12/19/14
to
John B.
Dec 19, 2014, 8:15:25 PM12/19/14
to
He pretended to be one, because you couldn't get elected gov.
of Alabama if you weren't. He lost his first gubernatorial race
because he wasn't segregationist.
Dene
Dec 20, 2014, 2:37:52 AM12/20/14
to
On Friday, December 19, 2014 1:49:56 PM UTC-8, BobbyK wrote:
> We would have to first agree on what happened, and there are too many
> opposing witness statements for me to make such a statement. IMO
> there had to be something short of killing Brown.
Ok...but let's go on the basis that Wilson is telling the truth. If so, I don't believe he had any options but to use deadly force.
> We would have to first agree on what happened, and there are too many
> opposing witness statements for me to make such a statement. IMO
> there had to be something short of killing Brown.
-Greg
Alan Baker
Dec 20, 2014, 3:17:50 AM12/20/14
to
...since his testimony is at odds with the physical evidence?
Nashton
Dec 20, 2014, 5:49:59 PM12/20/14
to
On 2014-12-18 11:49 AM, Moderate wrote:
> BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 05:29:09 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nom...@nospam.com>
> BobbyK <bkn...@Conramp.net> Wrote in message:
> Thanks for proving my point once again. Your insististence that
> these criminals are victims is a big part of the
> problem.
>
> The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> Brown's death was a result of racism.
>
> Evidence is real. Your pathetic emotional reaction has no factual
> The victim in all this was Officer Wilson and the people who were
> impacted by the racist mob. There has been zero evidence that
> Brown's death was a result of racism.
>
> basis. You are the problem.
>
Wow, well said!
Nashton
Dec 20, 2014, 6:05:14 PM12/20/14
to
On 2014-12-18 4:17 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2014-12-18 20:06:47 +0000, BobbyK said:
>
>>
>> Utter Bullshit.
>
> So was the Boston Tea Party "Utter Bullshit"?
>
> How about Tiananmen Square?
>
> The storming of the Bastille?
Are you comparing the "plight" of minorities to the oppression of the
Chinese regime, the exploitation of the British and the oligarchy of the
French royalty at the time?
Why do you insist on advertising your IGNORANCE, you wannabe intellectual?
>
> Do you think that all protests can be carried out without some people
> getting out of hand?
And do you think that when things get out of hand, that there is a
dearth of resistance from the authorities?
>
> On 2014-12-18 20:06:47 +0000, BobbyK said:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
>>>> violence. Period.
>>>
>>> Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
>>>
>>>
>>> ...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
>>>
>>> But Ferguson started out as protests...
>>>
>>> ...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>>
>> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
>> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>
> No. I just said that.
>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
>>>> violence. Period.
>>>
>>> Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
>>>
>>>
>>> ...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
>>>
>>> But Ferguson started out as protests...
>>>
>>> ...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>>
>> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
>> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>
>
>>
>> Utter Bullshit.
>
> So was the Boston Tea Party "Utter Bullshit"?
>
> How about Tiananmen Square?
>
> The storming of the Bastille?
Are you comparing the "plight" of minorities to the oppression of the
Chinese regime, the exploitation of the British and the oligarchy of the
French royalty at the time?
Why do you insist on advertising your IGNORANCE, you wannabe intellectual?
>
> Do you think that all protests can be carried out without some people
> getting out of hand?
And do you think that when things get out of hand, that there is a
dearth of resistance from the authorities?
>
Nashton
Dec 20, 2014, 6:10:16 PM12/20/14
to
On 2014-12-18 7:48 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2014-12-18 23:12:47 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>
>
> <http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10920817>
>
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/12/22/nyregion/20051222_POLICE_GRAPHIC.html>
>
>
> This is just what I was able to find in about 30 seconds...
And it's worthless, proving that having access to search engine is not a
substitute to an education and critical thinking.
>
Agent Provocateurs present at a demonstration? Who would have thunk it?
News at 11.
> On 2014-12-18 23:12:47 +0000, MNMikeW said:
>
>
> <http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10920817>
>
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/12/22/nyregion/20051222_POLICE_GRAPHIC.html>
>
>
> This is just what I was able to find in about 30 seconds...
And it's worthless, proving that having access to search engine is not a
substitute to an education and critical thinking.
>
Agent Provocateurs present at a demonstration? Who would have thunk it?
News at 11.
Alan Baker
Dec 20, 2014, 6:41:21 PM12/20/14
to
for upset:
That the governments of free societies are embedding people into
demonstrations to PROVOKE.
Alan Baker
Dec 20, 2014, 8:07:26 PM12/20/14
to
On 2014-12-20 23:05:13 +0000, Nashton said:
> On 2014-12-18 4:17 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2014-12-18 20:06:47 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
>>>>> violence. Period.
>>>>
>>>> Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
>>>>
>>>> But Ferguson started out as protests...
>>>>
>>>> ...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>>>
>>> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
>>> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>>
>> No. I just said that.
>>
>>>
>>> Utter Bullshit.
>>
>> So was the Boston Tea Party "Utter Bullshit"?
>>
>> How about Tiananmen Square?
>>
>> The storming of the Bastille?
>
> Are you comparing the "plight" of minorities to the oppression of the
> Chinese regime, the exploitation of the British and the oligarchy of
> the French royalty at the time?
I'm suggesting that there are limits on the "here is no defense for
> On 2014-12-18 4:17 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2014-12-18 20:06:47 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>
>>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:58:17 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-12-18 19:51:18 +0000, BobbyK said:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO that's a crock of crap. There is no defense for theft or
>>>>> violence. Period.
>>>>
>>>> Said the British at the Boston Tea Party...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and said every oppressor who ever faced protests.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I saying that all violence is justified? No. Of course not.
>>>>
>>>> But Ferguson started out as protests...
>>>>
>>>> ...and then a militarized police force was sent out.
>>>
>>> And that was good reason for people's property to be burned, their
>>> goods stolen and their lifetime investment destroyed?
>>
>> No. I just said that.
>>
>>>
>>> Utter Bullshit.
>>
>> So was the Boston Tea Party "Utter Bullshit"?
>>
>> How about Tiananmen Square?
>>
>> The storming of the Bastille?
>
> Are you comparing the "plight" of minorities to the oppression of the
> Chinese regime, the exploitation of the British and the oligarchy of
> the French royalty at the time?
theft or violence. Period." stance.
Or didn't you bother reading?
>
> Why do you insist on advertising your IGNORANCE, you wannabe intellectual?
>>
>> Do you think that all protests can be carried out without some people
>> getting out of hand?
>
> And do you think that when things get out of hand, that there is a
> dearth of resistance from the authorities?
Alan Baker
Dec 20, 2014, 8:08:28 PM12/20/14
to
...they just weren't examined by the people who were supposed to be
prosecuting the case.
Alan Baker
Dec 20, 2014, 8:15:26 PM12/20/14
to
On 2014-12-19 23:59:40 +0000, David Laville said:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:15:24 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
>> politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people.
>
> And you're just as guilty because you made your fair share of off
> topic and political post.
I'm fine with "just as guilty", David.
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:15:24 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob, I wasn't the one who turned RSG into a place to discuss US
>> politics; that was a choice made by a bunch of other people.
>
> And you're just as guilty because you made your fair share of off
> topic and political post.
You want to move on to another group? Be my guest.
:-)
David Laville
Dec 22, 2014, 8:26:09 PM12/22/14
to
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 00:57:46 GMT, Carbon
<nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> Than why do you live there? All you do is bitch about the racism of
>> where you live but you continue to live there in bliss.
>
>Incorrect. I bitch quite a bit more about deluded dimbulbs like yourself.
Well maybe you should bitch more about the racism. Probably explains
<nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> Than why do you live there? All you do is bitch about the racism of
>> where you live but you continue to live there in bliss.
>
>Incorrect. I bitch quite a bit more about deluded dimbulbs like yourself.
why you're a member of the party that gave us the KKK, Jim Crow laws,
public lynching, segregation and opposition to civil rights.
In other words, you're right at home.
David Laville
Dec 22, 2014, 8:28:40 PM12/22/14
to
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:15:24 -0800 (PST), "John B."
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wasn't George Wallace a democrat?
>
>He ran for president as an independent.
He ran for president 4 times, 3 as a democrat, once on the American
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wasn't George Wallace a democrat?
>
>He ran for president as an independent.
Independent Party ticket.
>Wallace wasn't a racist. He pretended to be one,
>because you couldn't get elected gov.
>of Alabama if you weren't.
"Seymore, you know why I lost that governor's race? ... I was
outniggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will
never be outniggered again."
Spoken like a true abolitionist.
Alan Baker
Dec 22, 2014, 8:51:02 PM12/22/14
to
What weak sauce...
Carbon
Dec 22, 2014, 8:52:07 PM12/22/14
to
strategy of gaining political support for certain candidates in the
Southern United States by appealing to racism against African Americans.
Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold
due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery before the American Civil
War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern
Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of
the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixiecrats), the
African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights
Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.
The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard
Nixon and Republican Senator Barry Goldwater in the late 1960s. The
strategy was successful in winning the five formerly Confederate states of
the Deep South (Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South
Carolina.) for Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential election, but he
won in only one other state, Arizona, his home state. The Southern
Strategy also yielded five formerly Confederate states (Florida, South
Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Tennessee) in Richard Nixon's
successful 1968 campaign for the presidency. It contributed to the
electoral realignment of some Southern states to the Republican Party, but
at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the
Democratic Party. As the twentieth century came to a close, the Republican
Party began attempting to appeal to black voters again, though with little
success.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
0 new messages