More Evidence of a Robust Economy: 1.4 Million Households Drop Off Food Stamps

[toms...@gmail.com]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/12/1-4-million-households-drop-off-food-stamps-under-trump/

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-02-15 2:37 p.m., toms...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/12/1-4-million-households-drop-off-food-stamps-under-trump/
>

<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/20/trump-administration-food-stamps-snap-regulations>

<https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/12/20/18150449/food-stamps-snap-usda>

[Alan Baker]

On 2019-02-15 2:37 p.m., toms...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/12/1-4-million-households-drop-off-food-stamps-under-trump/
>

From your own citation:

'The downward trend in enrollment among both households and individuals
throughout Trump’s time in office is on pace with the slow and steady
decrease in SNAP participation since 2013.'

[toms...@gmail.com]

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 2:44:29 PM UTC-8, Alan Baker wrote:
> > https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/12/1-4-million-households-drop-off-food-stamps-under-trump/
> >
>
> From your own citation:
>
> 'The downward trend in enrollment among both households and individuals
> throughout Trump’s time in office is on pace with the slow and steady
> decrease in SNAP participation since 2013.'

Hey Lazy,

And WHY do you think that is happening, because people are getting POORER?

[Alan Baker]

You're missing the point.

1. This isn't something new.

2. Trump has forced some people off food stamps.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

LOL! Pres Trump is requiring people ABLE to work, to ACTUALLY work before they can get SNAP. What a CONCEPT! I guess some people, like you, are SO LAZY that they would rather GO HUNGRY than work!!! At least that might reduce the obesity rate...

[Alan Baker]

Sorry, but that is an admission that the reduction you're crowing about
isn't evidence of a robust economy.

You lose.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

PROVE IT!

[Alan Baker]

No. YOU made the claim that this was "evidence of a robust economy".

So if it is, then it was just as much evidence when it was doing the
same thing under Obama.

And we know that some of the people who have lost food stamps didn't do
so because the economy got better.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

You are all talk and NO ACTION!

[Alan Baker]

I have no actions to complete, Snowflake.

YOU've made a claim.

YOU prove it.

:-)

[DumbedDownUSA]

toms...@gmail.com wrote:

>
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/12/1-4-million-households-drop-off-food-stamps-under-trump/

Every day you prove a littel ignorance wielded by a dishonest fool goes
an awful long way.

So far you are 2 for 2 on fake news.

--
“Don’t give up. If there’s a concrete wall in front of you, go through
it. Go over it. Go around it. But get to the other side of that wall.”
Donald Trump

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

"I have no actions to complete" - you ARE living up to your name!

[Alan Baker]

No, Snowflake.

YOU have made a claim.

YOU get to provide the support.

[DumbedDownUSA]

Hey Vacuous,

>
> "I have no actions to complete" - you ARE living up to your name!

IOW you cannot support your empty words. Your new nick is "vacuous".

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

It's pretty simple: SNAP is means tested: if there are fewer recipients it is either because they died or their incomes have increased. Oh, maybe they got bored with eating!

[Alan Baker]

Sorry, Snowflke, but if it was so simple, you could actually produce
something that supports your claims.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

See, you prove my point - NOTHING satisfy's you.

[Alan Baker]

No.

I'm very dissatisfied by nothing...

...sadly for you, nothing is all you have.

[DumbedDownUSA]

toms...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Lazy,
>
> See, you prove my point - NOTHING satisfy's you.

Wow, that has an edge to it, like you are used to saying it a lot... to
your wife perhaps?

https://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/guide/erectile-dysfunction-treatment-care

Don't say I never try to help you. I know you struggle with google.

Actually what you have proved is that you don't even come close to
satisfying even the lowest expectations for proof or verification.

[tom_s...@msn.com]

Hey Lazy,

Proved it - read it.

[Alan Baker]

Hey Snowflake!

>
> Proved it - read it.

Nope.

You are an ax murderer by your own rules.

My source:

google.com.

:-)

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

And you are a child molester - prove that you are not.

[Alan Baker]

> And you...

So it seems you don't like your rules, Snowflake.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Well, I guess YOU ARE a child molester!

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

Here are some ACTUAL FACTS for your data starved brain:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/factors-affecting-snap-caseloads

[Alan Baker]

> Hey Lazy,
>
> Here are some ACTUAL FACTS for your data starved brain:
>
> https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/factors-affecting-snap-caseloads
>

Indeed there are some actual facts there! Good for you, Snowflake.

Of course, one of those facts is that SNAP rolls have been decreasing
since December of 2012 (when enrollment peaked):

'Enrollment peaked in December 2012. Since then, the number of people
participating in SNAP has fallen by more than 8 million.'

So once again, you claim as success for Trump what was clearly already
happening.

[DumbedDownUSA]

Yikes! What do you think Michelle would think of you posting things
like that?

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

FINALLY, you admit that you AGREE with me! Congratulations!

[Alan Baker]

Since your claim was that Trump was making this happen, rather than it
was already happening, I clearly don't agree with you.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Hey Lazy,

The title was "More Evidence of a Robust Economy: 1.4 Million Households Drop Off Food Stamps." You're libtard brain is SO BRAINWASHED that you can't get simple facts straight!

[Alan Baker]

So then you're saying that it isn't anything Trump did?

[DumbedDownUSA]

Why wouldn't he? You are admitting to the truth for once.

[-hh]

On Wednesday, February 20, 2019 at 2:06:50 AM UTC-5, toms...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/12/1-4-million-households-drop-off-food-stamps-under-trump/
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> ...

> Hey Lazy,
>
> The title was "More Evidence of a Robust Economy: 1.4 Million
> Households Drop Off Food Stamps."

That was the title of the RSG thread ... but it wasn't the title
of the cited article from Breitbart.

Brietbart's title was:
"1.4 Million Households Drop Off Food Stamps Under Trump"

And in searching their article, they never mentioned "economy"
or "robust".

So then, just who inserted this causality claim?

And because correlation isn't causation, just what actual
evidence was cited to prove causality?

Particularly since there have been reports of government
initiatives to restrict access, such as via more stringent
work requirements:

<https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/presidents-budget-would-cut-food-assistance-for-millions-and-radically>

Including at the individual State level too, such as in
Georgia:

<https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-food-stamps-purge-donald-trump-work-snap-requirements-1270516>


-hh

[DumbedDownUSA]

So what you are saying is that a more pertinent title might be...

"tighter regulation under Trump denies thousands in poverty food stamps"

[-hh]

Not quite...it should be:

"tighter regulation under Trump denies MILLIONS OF WORKING US CITIZENS
in poverty food stamps FOR THIER CHILDREN"


-hh

[TomS]

Hey Welcher,

You MUST have missed this, so I will re-post it:

Here are some ACTUAL FACTS for your data starved brain:

https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-assistance/factors-affecting-snap-caseloads

It is pretty much common sense that people drop off the food stamp program when their financial situation improves

[Bigbird]

Well that's one of the reasons but another is a change in the
regulations and that is what makes your topic a falsehood.

Cause and effect little man.

[TomS]

Hey Tweety,

The regulations HAVEN'T changed - go check it out (I know that is new to you)!

[-hh]

Because they learned that they didn't have to fight that fight:

The state of the economy and working poor in need has been such that
72% of States have requested and received waivers. What has changed
under Trump is that the Feds have now chosen to curtail State waivers.
This is precisely what Perdue's letter, below, says:

"It is time to rethink the use of waivers and suppo1i movement to
self-sufficiency for these individuals....I strongly advise all States
with ABA WD waivers to review your policy choices concerning when
and where to request these waivers."

<https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/snap/PerdueGovLetter.pdf>

In essence, they've told the States that their waivers are going to be
more strictly scrutinized and rejected, so as to get them to stop
asking for a waiver. This was made clear here:

"I ask you also to evaluate if your State is effectively engaging the
ABAWD population in work and Federal, State, or local work training
programs, including the SNAP Employment and Training program."

That provides a clear criteria for how waiver requests are going to
be evaluated, and its why Georgia has been "kicking people off", so
as to check the box.


-hh

[TomS]

Also known as "enforcing the law." Obama sent a letter to all colleges and universities hinting that they might lose federal funding if they didn't crack down on sexual harassment, and that set forth a witch hunt firestorm:
https://www2.ed.gov/print/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-20110
4.html
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/25/how-oklahoma-wesleyan-university-spurned-the-obama/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/31/the-path-to-obamas-dear-colleague-letter/?utm_term=.91836c36633d

[Bigbird]

So you didn't understand a word of the above?

[snipped attempted evasion]