Bill Maher

[Dene]

Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.

[Carbon]

On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:

> Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.

I don't watch CNN or Maher, but I do find myself wondering if your hate is blinding your objectivity.

[Dene]

On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:

> Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.


I don't watch CNN or Maher, but I do find myself wondering if your hate is blinding your objectivity.

No hate....just disgust.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

That's my feeling for Trump, but you call it hate. You don't allow
others the same as you demand. What is that called?

[Dene]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

- show quoted text -

That's my feeling for Trump, but you call it hate. You don't allow
others the same as you demand. What is that called?

A clear distinction in rhetoric.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 12:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>

wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>- show quoted text -
>That's my feeling for Trump, but you call it hate. You don't allow
>others the same as you demand. What is that called?
>
>A clear distinction in rhetoric.

Yes, there is a clear distinction. Hypocrisy.

[Dene]

The worst I've called Obama was an empty soon. How does that compare to the rhetoric you and Carbs and other people have used about Trump. I'll make it easy for you. There is no comparison. Hatred versus disgust.

[Carbon]

On 08/13/2017 02:50 PM, Dene wrote:
> On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:
>

>>> Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me.. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones.. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.

>>
>> I don't watch CNN or Maher, but I do find myself wondering if your hate is blinding your objectivity.
>
> No hate....just disgust.

AKA: hate.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 14:12:56 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>

As stated before, your opinion of the distinction is self-serving. I
have said many times that I don't hate anyone and you don't have the
ability or right to tell me (or Carbs) what we think or what our words
mean. The content isn't about Obama vs. Trump but show me where I was
wrong about him in any way. Not hatred but repugnance.

Regarding the Charlottesville riot; your words are a clear indication
that you think both sides are wrong and that isn't an opinion but your
actual words. How can you possibly think that any Nazi loving
organization wouldn't be the wrong side in that situation?

[Dene]

There is no comparison between the insults you have levied toward President Trump and what I have sad about President Obama. You have gone so far as to insult his daughter. Recall the crude discussion you had about her breasts.

That is hate speech and typical of the elitist left.

[Carbon]

And you're suggesting that hatred and disgust are different in some meaningful way? I have popcorn, please elaborate.

You've leveled the empty suit charge at Obama many times and I still don't know what you mean. Would he have been more effective if he had gotten in Twitter wars with celebrities, world leaders and crackpots, as Trump is doing? Please share one reality-based, non-bullshit metric where Trump has been a better president than Obama.

[Dene]

- show quoted text -

As stated before, your opinion of the distinction is self-serving. I
have said many times that I don't hate anyone and you don't have the
ability or right to tell me (or Carbs) what we think or what our words
mean. The content isn't about Obama vs. Trump but show me where I was
wrong about him in any way. Not hatred but repugnance.

Your parsing words but I'll use repugnance instead of hate. Bottom line. He's our president and you should get over it.

Regarding the Charlottesville riot; your words are a clear indication
that you think both sides are wrong and that isn't an opinion but your
actual words. How can you possibly think that any Nazi loving
organization wouldn't be the wrong side in that situation?

Those idiots are clearly wrong. Responding to them in the form of a counter protest is the wrong tactic. They should just be ignored. Why do you disagree with that?

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 14:38:09 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>

>On 08/13/2017 02:50 PM, Dene wrote:
>> On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:
>>
>>>> Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me.. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones.. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.
>>>
>>> I don't watch CNN or Maher, but I do find myself wondering if your hate is blinding your objectivity.
>>
>> No hate....just disgust.
>
>AKA: hate.
>
>There is no comparison between the insults you have levied toward President Trump and what I have sad about President Obama.

Charlottesville has nothing to do with Obama. Nothing.

>You have gone so far as to insult his daughter. Recall the crude discussion you had about her breasts.
>That is hate speech and typical of the elitist left.

Do you remember the crude discussion that your president had about
women's pussies?

[B...@onramp.net]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 14:50:14 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>- show quoted text -
>As stated before, your opinion of the distinction is self-serving. I
>have said many times that I don't hate anyone and you don't have the
>ability or right to tell me (or Carbs) what we think or what our words
>mean. The content isn't about Obama vs. Trump but show me where I was
>wrong about him in any way. Not hatred but repugnance.
>
>Your parsing words but I'll use repugnance instead of hate. Bottom line. He's our president and you should get over it.

Bottom line. He's a low life and being President doesn't change that.

>
>Regarding the Charlottesville riot; your words are a clear indication
>that you think both sides are wrong and that isn't an opinion but your
>actual words. How can you possibly think that any Nazi loving
>organization wouldn't be the wrong side in that situation?
>
>Those idiots are clearly wrong. Responding to them in the form of a counter protest is the wrong tactic. They should just be ignored. Why do you disagree with that?

I wouldn't but it's their Constitutional right to counter protest.
Get over it.

[Dene]

>There is no comparison between the insults you have levied toward President Trump and what I have sad about President Obama.
Charlottesville has nothing to do with Obama. Nothing.

Never said it did. Re-read and understand the context.

>You have gone so far as to insult his daughter. Recall the crude discussion you had about her breasts.
>That is hate speech and typical of the elitist left.

Do you remember the crude discussion that your president had about
women's pussies?

Yes. Your point.

[Dene]

And you're suggesting that hatred and disgust are different in some meaningful way? I have popcorn, please elaborate.

Already have.

You've leveled the empty suit charge at Obama many times and I still don't know what you mean. Would he have been more effective if he had gotten in Twitter wars with celebrities, world leaders and crackpots, as Trump is doing? Please share one reality-based, non-bullshit metric where Trump has been a better president than Obama.

Action vs appearance. Obama was all about appearance, hence the term empty suit. Trump has been all about action and unfortunately, inappropriate reaction.

[Carbon]

On 08/13/2017 05:38 PM, Dene wrote:
> On 08/13/2017 02:50 PM, Dene wrote:
>> On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me.. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones.. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.
>>>>
>>>> I don't watch CNN or Maher, but I do find myself wondering if your hate is blinding your objectivity.
>>>
>>> No hate....just disgust.
>>
>> AKA: hate.
>
> There is no comparison between the insults you have levied toward President Trump and what I have sad about President Obama.

I agree! I think, based upon ample evidence, that Trump is corrupt and inept. Whereas you lack the same kind of evidence and insist, without any real evidence, that Obama is so flawed that somehow he is even worse than Trump. Unsurprisingly you have been light on specifics. Please, enlighten us.

> You have gone so far as to insult his daughter. Recall the crude discussion you had about her breasts.

I said they were magnificent, but honestly I was just trying to get you lazies to look at the cite I posted. Truly, these are challenging times for us fact-based folk.

> That is hate speech and typical of the elitist left.

See above.

[Carbon]

On 08/13/2017 06:42 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>> And you're suggesting that hatred and disgust are different in some meaningful way? I have popcorn, please elaborate.
>
> Already have.

When?

>> You've leveled the empty suit charge at Obama many times and I still don't know what you mean. Would he have been more effective if he had gotten in Twitter wars with celebrities, world leaders and crackpots, as Trump is doing? Please share one reality-based, non-bullshit metric where Trump has been a better president than Obama.
>
> Action vs appearance. Obama was all about appearance, hence the term empty suit. Trump has been all about action and unfortunately, inappropriate reaction.

Right, so we agree that Trump is in way over his head. In what way is that better than Obama?

Consider the following:

There was the race-based accusation that Obama must have been born in Kenya despite all evidence to the contrary. Obama did not dignify any of it with a response. The tension built and built. Finally he produced the long-form birth certificate, the same documentation every Hawaiian born during that time is given. Mic drop. He won, and he revealed opponents to be a bunch of incompetent, racist loons.

And now we have Trump, so desperate to distract the suckers from the inevitable fallout from the Russia Russia Russia investigation that he is apparently trying to start a war with another corpulent, idiot megalomaniac, Kim Jong-Un of North Korea.

Please compare and contrast these two episodes, showing how Trump is better in any measurable way than Obama.

[Dene]

On 08/13/2017 06:42 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>> And you're suggesting that hatred and disgust are different in some meaningful way? I have popcorn, please elaborate.
>
> Already have.

When?

>> You've leveled the empty suit charge at Obama many times and I still don't know what you mean. Would he have been more effective if he had gotten in Twitter wars with celebrities, world leaders and crackpots, as Trump is doing? Please share one reality-based, non-bullshit metric where Trump has been a better president than Obama.
>
> Action vs appearance. Obama was all about appearance, hence the term empty suit. Trump has been all about action and unfortunately, inappropriate reaction.

Right, so we agree that Trump is in way over his head. In what way is that better than Obama?

Don't agree.

Consider the following:

There was the race-based accusation that Obama must have been born in Kenya despite all evidence to the contrary. Obama did not dignify any of it with a response. The tension built and built. Finally he produced the long-form birth certificate, the same documentation every Hawaiian born during that time is given. Mic drop. He won, and he revealed opponents to be a bunch of incompetent, racist loons.

And now we have Trump, so desperate to distract the suckers from the inevitable fallout from the Russia Russia Russia investigation that he is apparently trying to start a war with another corpulent, idiot megalomaniac, Kim Jong-Un of North Korea.

He's dealing with NK, on contrast to your hero, who did nothing but kick the can down the road.

Please compare and contrast these two episodes, showing how Trump is better in any measurable way than Obama.

Read above.

[John B.]

Wow! A bigger load of horseshit I have never heard.

[Dene]

Wow! A bigger load of horseshit I have never heard.

Care to be specific. Try quoting properly.

[Carbon]

So we agree that Obama avoided a pointless, no-win confrontation with some pinhead third world dictator.

Obama also didn't have dozens of petty Twitter feuds with other world leaders, minor celebrities and even his own staff. This was yet another failure on Obama's part. Right?

[Dene]

So we agree that Obama avoided a pointless, no-win confrontation with some pinhead third world dictator.

No....your hero just kicked the can down the road. That's the sum total of his foreign-policy achievements.

Obama also didn't have dozens of petty Twitter feuds with other world leaders, minor celebrities and even his own staff. This was yet another failure on Obama's part. Right?

You're right. That would've messed up his appearance.

[Carbon]

On 08/13/2017 10:11 PM, Dene wrote:

>> So we agree that Obama avoided a pointless, no-win confrontation with some pinhead third world dictator.
>
> No....your hero just kicked the can down the road. That's the sum total of his foreign-policy achievements.

Avoiding a bunch of stupid wars is no small accomplishment. I'm sorry you're too filled with hate to see that.

[Dene]

Kim threatens Guam. What is Trump supposed to do in your world? Ignore him? Kick the can further? How about withdrawing our troops? Awaiting your enlightened view.

[Carbon]

Kim and his father before him have been pulling these stunts for years. The worst possible response is to give them the attention they so desperately crave. What Obama did was ignore them, officially, and then impose sanctions to slow their ability to accumulate weapons.

This country is going to implode at some point. Kicking the can is no bad strategy.

OTOH, your hero was desperate to get the news to cover something other than the Russia Russia Russia investigation, so he blasted out a bunch of Twitter rants threatening a nuclear apocalypse. That is exactly the kind of measured response one would expect from the leader of the free world. Right Greg?

[Dene]

On 08/13/2017 10:53 PM, Dene wrote:
> On 08/13/2017 10:11 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>>>> So we agree that Obama avoided a pointless, no-win confrontation with some pinhead third world dictator.
>>>
>>> No....your hero just kicked the can down the road. That's the sum total of his foreign-policy achievements.
>>
>> Avoiding a bunch of stupid wars is no small accomplishment. I'm sorry you're too filled with hate to see that.
>
> Kim threatens Guam. What is Trump supposed to do in your world? Ignore him? Kick the can further? How about withdrawing our troops? Awaiting your enlightened view.


Kim and his father before him have been pulling these stunts for years. The worst possible response is to give them the attention they so desperately crave. What Obama did was ignore them, officially, and then impose sanctions to slow their ability to accumulate weapons.

This country is going to implode at some point. Kicking the can is no bad strategy.

Ignoring Kim is a terrible strategy. He will push and push until he determines there is no gain. Remember Hitler?

OTOH, your hero was desperate to get the news to cover something other than the Russia Russia Russia investigation, so he blasted out a bunch of Twitter rants threatening a nuclear apocalypse. That is exactly the kind of measured response one would expect from the leader of the free world. Right Greg?

Strength is what I expect from POTUS. Thank God Obama is no longer in charge.

[Alan Baker]

Trump is obviously worse than Obama.

If you called Obama an "empty soon [sic; you meant suit]", then what the
hell do you call Trump? He's an utter failure who has taken a large (for
the day) fortune and made it into a smaller one.

And then there is the fact that he is simply a disgusting, immoral,
dishonest asshole.

[Alan Baker]

I don't recall any such discussion...

[Alan Baker]

On 2017-08-13 2:50 PM, Dene wrote:
> - show quoted text -
> As stated before, your opinion of the distinction is self-serving. I
> have said many times that I don't hate anyone and you don't have the
> ability or right to tell me (or Carbs) what we think or what our words
> mean. The content isn't about Obama vs. Trump but show me where I was
> wrong about him in any way. Not hatred but repugnance.
>
> Your parsing words but I'll use repugnance instead of hate. Bottom line. He's our president and you should get over it.

Funny you never said the same about Obama....

>
> Regarding the Charlottesville riot; your words are a clear indication
> that you think both sides are wrong and that isn't an opinion but your
> actual words. How can you possibly think that any Nazi loving
> organization wouldn't be the wrong side in that situation?
>
> Those idiots are clearly wrong. Responding to them in the form of a counter protest is the wrong tactic. They should just be ignored. Why do you disagree with that?

Why will you not come out and clearly say they should be opposed.

[Alan Baker]

That is utter bullshit.

Obama got at least as much done as Trump has in the same time frame.

Only when Obama signed executive orders to get things done you railed
against it.

[Alan Baker]

On 2017-08-13 6:15 PM, Dene wrote:
> On 08/13/2017 06:42 PM, Dene wrote:
>>
>>> And you're suggesting that hatred and disgust are different in some meaningful way? I have popcorn, please elaborate.
>>
>> Already have.
>
> When?
>
>>> You've leveled the empty suit charge at Obama many times and I still don't know what you mean. Would he have been more effective if he had gotten in Twitter wars with celebrities, world leaders and crackpots, as Trump is doing? Please share one reality-based, non-bullshit metric where Trump has been a better president than Obama.
>>
>> Action vs appearance. Obama was all about appearance, hence the term empty suit. Trump has been all about action and unfortunately, inappropriate reaction.
>
> Right, so we agree that Trump is in way over his head. In what way is that better than Obama?
>
> Don't agree.

Failure to answer the question (and quote properly, but we're all as
used to that as your refusing to actually make any real point).

>
> Consider the following:
>
> There was the race-based accusation that Obama must have been born in Kenya despite all evidence to the contrary. Obama did not dignify any of it with a response. The tension built and built. Finally he produced the long-form birth certificate, the same documentation every Hawaiian born during that time is given. Mic drop. He won, and he revealed opponents to be a bunch of incompetent, racist loons.
>
> And now we have Trump, so desperate to distract the suckers from the inevitable fallout from the Russia Russia Russia investigation that he is apparently trying to start a war with another corpulent, idiot megalomaniac, Kim Jong-Un of North Korea.
>
> He's dealing with NK, on contrast to your hero, who did nothing but kick the can down the road.

He's "dealing" with them by whining that China should do something and
making threats he can't follow up on.

[Alan Baker]

On 2017-08-13 6:41 PM, Dene wrote:
> Wow! A bigger load of horseshit I have never heard.
>
> Care to be specific. Try quoting properly.
>

You first, sunshine.

[Alan Baker]

Trump threatened NK BEFORE NK threatened Guam, doofus.

[Alan Baker]

On 2017-08-13 8:11 PM, Carbon wrote:
> On 08/13/2017 10:53 PM, Dene wrote:
>> On 08/13/2017 10:11 PM, Dene wrote:
>>
>>>>> So we agree that Obama avoided a pointless, no-win confrontation with some pinhead third world dictator.
>>>>
>>>> No....your hero just kicked the can down the road. That's the sum total of his foreign-policy achievements.
>>>
>>> Avoiding a bunch of stupid wars is no small accomplishment. I'm sorry you're too filled with hate to see that.
>>
>> Kim threatens Guam. What is Trump supposed to do in your world? Ignore him? Kick the can further? How about withdrawing our troops? Awaiting your enlightened view.
>
>
> Kim and his father before him have been pulling these stunts for years. The worst possible response is to give them the attention they so desperately crave. What Obama did was ignore them, officially, and then impose sanctions to slow their ability to accumulate weapons.

Funny that what Greg just said about white supremacists doesn't apply in
the case of NK, isn't it?

[Alan Baker]

BWWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Trump isn't strong, you idiot.

[-hh]

On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 11:34:23 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
[broken attributions]

> On 08/13/2017 10:53 PM, Dene wrote:
> > On 08/13/2017 10:11 PM, Dene wrote:
> >
> >>>> So we agree that Obama avoided a pointless, no-win confrontation with some pinhead third world dictator.
> >>>
> >>> No....your hero just kicked the can down the road. That's the sum total of his foreign-policy achievements.
> >>
> >> Avoiding a bunch of stupid wars is no small accomplishment. I'm sorry you're too filled with hate to see that.
> >
> > Kim threatens Guam.

Fake News, because Kim's action was **in response** to Trump's threats against NK.

> > What is Trump supposed to do in your world? Ignore him? Kick the can further?
> > How about withdrawing our troops? Awaiting your enlightened view.

I already said I had some concrete ideas - - but also said to Greg, "YOU GO FIRST".

> Kim and his father before him have been pulling these stunts for years. The worst possible response is to give them the attention they so desperately crave. What Obama did was ignore them, officially, and then impose sanctions to slow their ability to accumulate weapons.

By Trump threatening NK, he's given them a Propaganda Win.
That's a huge amateur mistake by Trump. Huuuuge.

> This country is going to implode at some point. Kicking the can is no bad strategy.
>
> Ignoring Kim is a terrible strategy. He will push and push until he determines there is no gain. Remember Hitler?

Hitler? Oh he was busy this past weekend down in #Charlottesville.

And wishy-washy Trump has already had - - as of this morning - - three of his own
people (& counting) try to "clarify" that his 'on both sides' statement wasn't wishy-washy.

> OTOH, your hero was desperate to get the news to cover something other than the Russia Russia Russia investigation, so he blasted out a bunch of Twitter rants threatening a nuclear apocalypse. That is exactly the kind of measured response one would expect from the leader of the free world. Right Greg?
>
> Strength is what I expect from POTUS. Thank God Obama is no longer in charge.

Except that it isn't strength. Nowhere even close. Donald's a little cowardly boy with
a big mouth who's always gotten away with running it because of his daddy's money.


"Speak softly but carry a big stick".
- Teddy Roosevelt


-hh

[Carbon]

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/29rJFbmE0ko/zFF0i3D_AAAJ

It was a response to a Borowitz piece in the New Yorker about Jared Kushner saying Kim Jong-Un had only attained his position through nepotism. It was quite funny, as Borowitz's articles normally are.

At least something has triggered a sense of moral outrage in Greg. Although honestly, I don't see how some drive-by comment on someone's fake tits can be worse than claiming you can get away with grabbing women by the pussy if you're a celebrity. I'll let Greg fill us in on that one.

[MNMikeW]

And it's their constitutional right for the skinhead crowd to have a
rally as well. Greg is right, best ignore them. Clashing with them only
gives them what they want.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:54:22 -0400, Carbon
<nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>>>> On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>>> There is no comparison between the insults you have levied toward President Trump and what I have sad about President Obama. You have gone so far as to insult his daughter. Recall the crude discussion you had about her breasts.
>>
>> I don't recall any such discussion...
>
>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/29rJFbmE0ko/zFF0i3D_AAAJ

"She has great knockers" is a crude discussion? Crude is grabbing
pussy.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:11:33 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>B...@Onramp.net Wrote in message:

>> On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:50:58 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>

>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:
>>>

>>>> Listen to him on a CNN interview today. Yeah there was the typical Trump hate, with him saying that he wished the stock market would crash. But… he did manage to say something true and profound. He railed against the PC portion of the Democratic Party and claimed that is a key reason why Trump won and manages full support from the Republican Party. The alternative is repugnant to most normal Americans. It's certainly resonates with me. As much as I wish Trump was presidential, I am nauseated by the antics of those who want to turn this country into socialism and ultra PC safe zones. Each week there is one example of another of ridiculous "offenses" and consequences. The firing of Jeffrey Lord. The Google memo. The intolerance within college campuses. Is it any wonder why the working class no longer support the Democratic Party.

>>>
>>>
>>>I don't watch CNN or Maher, but I do find myself wondering if your hate is blinding your objectivity.
>>>
>>>No hate....just disgust.
>>

>> That's my feeling for Trump, but you call it hate. You don't allow
>> others the same as you demand. What is that called?
>>
>

>How do your butt buddies feel about Trump?

LOL. Do you still beat your wife? If you have any friends they are
hillbilly Nazis.

[Dene]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:54:22 -0400, Carbon
<nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>>>> On 08/13/2017 02:06 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>>> There is no comparison between the insults you have levied toward President Trump and what I have sad about President Obama. You have gone so far as to insult his daughter. Recall the crude discussion you had about her breasts.
>>
>> I don't recall any such discussion...
>
>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/29rJFbmE0ko/zFF0i3D_AAAJ

"She has great knockers" is a crude discussion? Crude is grabbing
pussy.

Both "discussions" are crude.

[B...@onramp.net]

I'm not one to get involved with protests and I disagree with
destroying monuments, even to Confederate heroes. But IMO these
counter protests aren't about slavery but racial discrimination. They
are showing their rightful opposition to that. Sometimes you have to
speak up. I don't think that the KKK or its followers got what they
wanted.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 08:30:12 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

Not even close.

[Alan Baker]

False equivalence.

[Dene]

Not to mention three people would be alive today if they would've been fully ignored.

[Alan Baker]

Or if a racist bigot domestic terrorist hadn't murdered them...

[B...@onramp.net]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 11:17:12 -0500 (CDT), Moderate

<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>B...@Onramp.net Wrote in message:
>> On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 07:11:33 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>> <nos...@noemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>B...@Onramp.net Wrote in message:

>>>> On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 11:50:58 -0700 .

>>>>
>>>> That's my feeling for Trump, but you call it hate. You don't allow
>>>> others the same as you demand. What is that called?
>>>>
>>>
>>>How do your butt buddies feel about Trump?
>>
>> LOL. Do you still beat your wife? If you have any friends they are
>> hillbilly Nazis.
>>
>

>I have never struck a woman and I don't have any butt buddies or
> Nazis as friends. You can't say the same.
Wrong on both accounts.

LOL. You dumb fuck. The question related to your post. It's a complex
fallacy question because it can't be answered with a yes or no.
Google it and you'll learn something. Maybe.

But you didn't deny my statement about your friends.

Nor have I ever beaten my wife. Wrong on both counts Bozo.

[John B.]

But not inappropriate for a presidential candidate, right?

[John B.]

So, you're blaming the victims?

[Alan Baker]

He's certainly doing his best to do that, yeah...

[Dene]

No. Re-read. I'm saying in hindsight there's a better way of dealing with these ultra right whack jobs.

[Dene]

False assumption.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 12:44:14 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>

He didn't assume anything Greg. It's a fact that Trump said that.

[Alan Baker]

So it WAS inappropriate for a presidential candidate to brag about
having actually sexually assaulted people.

[-hh]

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
>
> No. Re-read. I'm saying in hindsight there's a better way of
> dealing with these ultra right whack jobs.

Which is just what, precisely?


-hh

[Dene]

4, 2017 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
>
> No. Re-read. I'm saying in hindsight there's a better way of
> dealing with these ultra right whack jobs.


Which is just what, precisely?

Try to keep up.
The answer which I've been repeating over and over is to ignore them. Let them circle the park and spout their stupidity. Confronting them only induces violence and gives them publicity....which is precisely what they want.

[Alan Baker]

Hmmmm...

I wonder if you've ever once advanced that argument about anti-abortion
protestors?

[Carbon]

But I didn't say "great knockers." I said "magnificent knockers." Despite our many differences I'm sure we can all agree that this has a more elevated tone than "grab them by the pussy." Thank you.

https://goo.gl/Ze5cjL

[Dene]

But I didn't say "great knockers." I said "magnificent knockers." Despite our many differences I'm sure we can all agree that this has a more elevated tone than "grab them by the pussy." Thank you.

Ivanka is somebody's daughter, wife, and mother. Trump was boasting in general terms. But if it makes you feel better, your locker room talk is superior to Trump's.

[Alan Baker]

Trump was boasting about sexually assaulting women.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>But I didn't say "great knockers." I said "magnificent knockers." Despite our many differences I'm sure we can all agree that this has a more elevated tone than "grab them by the pussy." Thank you.
>
>Ivanka is somebody's daughter, wife, and mother. Trump was boasting in general terms.

About someone's wives, daughter and mothers. You have yet admit that
Trump's behaviors are beneath contempt. Why?

>But if it makes you feel better, your locker room talk is superior to Trump's.

Sigh.....

[-hh]

4, 2017 at 3:42:52 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:

> -hh wrote:

Well if that's your recommended approach, then why does North Korea merit a different strategy?


-hh

[Carbon]

Good question. Greg?

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 06:12:49 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:

>Not surprised you non-military types don't understand the
> difference between domestic and foreign issues.
>
>Trump got Kim to back down by the way.

Ten O'clock and you've made my day. I can smile at this continually.
FOS Moderate strikes again.

[-hh]

Yes, Moderate tries (but fails) to take an Ad Hominem swing.

Which reminds me - I do apologize for forgetting to post my pics
from my business trip to Ft. Benning earlier this month. Presently,
I won't be able to get to it until next week at the earliest.


-hh

[Dene]

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150 idiots vs. a nuclear threat. Duh!

[Alan Baker]

On 2017-08-15 12:05 PM, Moderate wrote:
> -hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> Wrote in message

>>
>> Yes, Moderate tries (but fails) to take an Ad Hominem swing.
>>
>> Which reminds me - I do apologize for forgetting to post my pics
>> from my business trip to Ft. Benning earlier this month. Presently,
>> I won't be able to get to it until next week at the earliest.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>>
>

> Did you stop by the recruiting station and pick up another coin?
> I hear the recruiters pass these out to kids.
>
> Too bad you could not qualify for enlistment. Wannabe.
>

Oh how little you understand...

[-hh]

Historically, Fascists have proven to be much more dangerous:

Nukes: 129,000 killed (upper limit: 226,000)
Nazis: 5.9+ million killed (upper limit: 17 million)


<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Victims_enumerated>

And the ratio of (5.9M vs 129K) is a mere 45,736 : 1


-hh

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 14:05:35 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>-hh <recscub...@huntzinger.com> Wrote in message
>>

>> Yes, Moderate tries (but fails) to take an Ad Hominem swing.
>>
>> Which reminds me - I do apologize for forgetting to post my pics
>> from my business trip to Ft. Benning earlier this month. Presently,
>> I won't be able to get to it until next week at the earliest.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>>
>

>Did you stop by the recruiting station and pick up another coin?
> I hear the recruiters pass these out to kids.
>
>Too bad you could not qualify for enlistment. Wannabe.

'A perfect example of posting a non sequitur just to try and demean
someone. Lowlife.

[Carbon]

Right! So when the stakes are really high, you want to make sure to fuck up as much as you can so you can get that scary nuclear apocalypse behind you. That's some visionary thinking right there.

[Dene]

So you advocate ignoring NK, much like previous admins did?
BTW...Kim backed down today.

[Alan Baker]

What difference has it made?

> BTW...Kim backed down today.
>

Can you actually imagine he was ever going to do anything else?

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:12:37 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>B...@Onramp.net Wrote in message:

>Sensitive about your butt buddies.

Pointing out just what kind of person you are.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:35:29 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

He didn't back down at all. He issued a dare to Trump. Since he had
already crossed Trump's "red line" he just said what are you going to
do about it?

[John B.]

If you think previous administrations ignored Kim, then you're even more ignorant than I thought.

[Dene]

Oh yeah...your hero told them to knock it off...and sanctioned them, even though we had very little trade with them.

Quite the action man your hero was.

[Dene]

He didn't back down at all. He issued a dare to Trump. Since he had
already crossed Trump's "red line" he just said what are you going to
do about it?

He said he was not going to attack Guam. Perhaps you could call it a blink...I would call it as a back off. One thing I'm certain. It would not of happened had he not believe Trump's words. Same with the Chinese going with a 15 to nothing vote for a severe sanctions. That would not of happened with the weak leadership shown in the last eight years.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:28:05 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>Oh yeah...your hero told them to knock it off...and sanctioned them, even though we had very little trade with them.
>
>Quite the action man your hero was.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

And you know this for sure, right? Wrong. Just another hateful
opinion.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:34:06 -0500 (CDT), Moderate

>What is that supposed to mean?

You deleted exactly what it means. I guess because it was over your
head, like most things.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:35:22 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>Dene <gds...@aol.com> Wrote in message:

>BK is a true idiot.

Thanks. That makes me look better coming from you.

[Carbon]

Since Obama is not an idiot, he can see that there is no gain in getting involved in some ridiculous pissing match with some half-wit dictator on the other side of the world. But of course Trump is an idiot, and he's desperate to get the 24-hour news cycle to talk about anything other than the tightening Russian noose.

We will be lucky if this orange fool doesn't start another war before he gets kicked to the curb.

[Carbon]

I think that number will grow over time as well.

[Dene]

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Hmmm...no Trump hate in that diatribe...and no answer to my earlier question.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 20:53:35 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<nos...@noemail.com> wrote:

>B...@Onramp.net Wrote in message:

>Everyone other than you knows it. Widely reported. I tried to
> tell you. I provided a cite.

You ignorant sonofabitch. I was replying to Greg. You have no say so
here because it's beyond you. Just kf me or don't reply to me any
more. You're now boring.

Kim is daring Trump and that doesn't make contact in the pea brain of
yours. I pay very little attention to any cite you point out for good
reason.
>
>Kruger-Dumbass.

You're both and too dumb to know it.

[Alan Baker]

On 2017-08-15 6:28 PM, Dene wrote:
> Oh yeah...your hero told them to knock it off...and sanctioned them, even though we had very little trade with them.
>
> Quite the action man your hero was.
>

And what has actually changed?

[Alan Baker]

Since he never was going to attack Guam...

[Alan Baker]

Trump IS an idiot.

I'm quite serious. Trump is obviously not very bright.

Saying so is not hate.

[DumbedDownUSA]

Dene wrote:

> He didn't back down at all. He issued a dare to Trump. Since he had
> already crossed Trump's "red line" he just said what are you going to
> do about it?
>
> He said he was not going to attack Guam. Perhaps you could call it a
> blink...I would call it as a back off. One thing I'm certain. It
> would not of happened had he not believe Trump's words.

So you really think Trump prevented KJ from attacking Guam; you really
believe that KJ was going to attack Guam?

The only difference between Trumps childlike outburst and doing nothing
is that some idiots think it made a difference. He plays you... but
then you want to be played.

--
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***

[MNMikeW]

Your self awareness is nil.

[B...@onramp.net]

Really? I guess your opinions are as perfectly true as his in this
regard. Not. Who do you think you are Mr. know it all?

[MNMikeW]

If you actually believe Gregs opinion there was hateful, then ALL of
your opinions are.

[Alan Baker]

So what did KJU actually DO while Obama was president that he isn't
doing now?

[B...@onramp.net]

The difference is that he doesn't pose them as opinions but fact.
The "hateful? use is just reflecting his continuing saying that about
Carbon and me.

[Carbon]

Exactly. I feel sorry for him more than anything else, and even more for the rest of his family. He's going to take them all down with him because he couldn't stay out of the spotlight.

[Dene]

Still no answer to this question...

[Carbon]

Again. Obama did not ignore North Korea. He denied them the attention they craved and imposed economic sanctions. But your hero prefers twitter rampages, so I guess you have to feel that's better in some way.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 15:58:00 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 1:56:12 PM UTC-8, Carbon wrote:


>Still no answer to this question...
>
>"So you advocate ignoring NK, much like previous admins did?"

My answer would be yes because Kim isn't a fool and won't start a war
he'd lose. Threats and taunting him just gives credit for being a
world leader, albeit a head case.

[Dene]

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Again. Obama did not ignore North Korea. He denied them the attention they craved and imposed economic sanctions. But your hero prefers twitter rampages, so I guess you have to feel that's better in some way.

Meanwhile, sensing O's chronic weakness, Kim continue his nuke program with minimal consequences. Now 1/3 of exports are eliminated, due to the leadership the US has now.