Fake News Meltdown at CNN

[MNMikeW]

Journalism is dead.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/fake-news-meltdown-at-cnn-retractions-resignations-and-outbursts/

http://www.veritaslive.com/06-26-2017/americanpravdacnn.html

http://www.thewrap.com/three-cnn-employees-resign-retracted-story-russia-ties/

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/media/cnn-announcement-retracted-article/index.html

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/

[Alan Baker]

One story has been retracted, Mikey.

So you want to pretend that puts them all in doubt.

[Dene]

What a week for the Dems. The tide is turning....

1. Another congressional rep. loss and consequential challenges to the Dem leadership.

2. FNN debacle and the realization that people are not buying the Russia, Russia, Russia story.

3. FBI investigation of Bernie's wife.

4. Criticism of Obama for his limp wrist action regarding Russian meddling. "Stop it Putin...stop it."

5. Spotlight on Loretta Lynch for obstruction.

6. Supreme Court affirmation of the travel ban.

Coming up...a GOP victory with healthcare, then tax and immigration reform. You know...the stuff that normal people care about.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:16:17 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

I'm amazed that you are looking forward to the tax bill as it's been
discussed, unless you're a multimillionaire.

[Dene]

I'm an American who wants to see America become great again. Tax reform is part of that equation.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:50:30 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>

That's more Trump bullshit that you've swallowed. America IS GREAT.

[Dene]

America has way too many people on the public tit....too many illegals...ridiculous tax code...and a death spiral with ACA. Our country is mediocre, largely due to gridlock and 16 years of bad presidents.

[-hh]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 2:50:33 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:

> Bobby wrote:
> > I'm amazed that you are looking forward to the tax bill as it's been
> > discussed, unless you're a multimillionaire.
>
> I'm an American who wants to see America become great again.
> Tax reform is part of that equation.

So then Greg, just how will _regressive_ tax policies do that?


-hh

[Carbon]

I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?

Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:12:50 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Yours is pathetic.

[Dene]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Yours is pathetic.

Brilliant....absolutely brilliant. <eyes rolling>
The best you can do is criticize another opinion without countering with a reasonable argument of your own.
In short you shreek. No wonder you are a lefty.

[Dene]

I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?

A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.

Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.

Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:21:27 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>
>Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Yours ios pathetic.

>
>Brilliant....absolutely brilliant. <eyes rolling>
>The best you can do is criticize another opinion without countering with a reasonable argument of your own.
>In short you shreek. No wonder you are a lefty.

Here's what I've been saying all along. Maybe you'll believe
McConnell.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27/republican-health-care-bill-mitch-mcconnell-trump-239998
Voters expect Republicans to deliver on their long-held promise to
repeal the law, McConnell said, according to those people. And failing
to repeal the law would mean the GOP would lose its opportunity to do
a partisan rewrite of the law that could scale back Medicaid spending,
cut Obamacare’s taxes and repeal a host of industry mandates.

Instead, Republicans would be forced to enter into bipartisan
negotiations with Democrats to save failing insurance markets.

[Carbon]

On 06/27/2017 09:25 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>> I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?
>
> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.

What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?

>
>> Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.
>
> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.

You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?

[Dene]

Here's what I've been saying all along. Maybe you'll believe
McConnell.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/27/republican-health-care-bill-mitch-mcconnell-trump-239998
Voters expect Republicans to deliver on their long-held promise to
repeal the law, McConnell said, according to those people. And failing
to repeal the law would mean the GOP would lose its opportunity to do
a partisan rewrite of the law that could scale back Medicaid spending,
cut Obamacare’s taxes and repeal a host of industry mandates.

Instead, Republicans would be forced to enter into bipartisan
negotiations with Democrats to save failing insurance markets.

Congrats on saying something. I actually agree. Either scenario works for me.

[Dene]

On 06/27/2017 09:25 PM, Dene wrote:
>
>> I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?
>
> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.

What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?

It means that if you get an education and work harder than the guy next to you, you have a very reasonable chance of becoming wealthy. At the minimum…self sufficient.

>
>> Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.
>
> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.

You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?

I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.

[Carbon]

On 06/27/2017 11:11 PM, Dene wrote:
> On 06/27/2017 09:25 PM, Dene wrote:
>>
>>>> I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?
>>>
>>> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.
>>
>> What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?
>
> It means that if you get an education and work harder than the guy next to you, you have a very reasonable chance of becoming wealthy. At the minimum…self sufficient.

Well this is a shiny idea on the far right, but

1) It says nothing about inherited wealth. r > g.

2) Wealth will continue to concentrate as fewer and fewer workers are needed to maintain the gears of commerce. There will be massive unemployment and unprecedented wealth at the very top. Your job and mine will go away, and there will be riots in the streets. And of course there will be millions of propaganda victims who will continue to screech that hard work is all you need to succeed. This will be what destroys America.

>>> Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.
>>
>> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.
>
> You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?
>
> I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.

I'm not trying offend you. However, if Jesus is anything like historical accounts he would not have been down with the brand of "I got mine, fuck you" capitalism that's currently so popular on the far right.

[Dene]

On 06/27/2017 11:11 PM, Dene wrote:
> On 06/27/2017 09:25 PM, Dene wrote:
>>
>>>> I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?
>>>
>>> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.
>>
>> What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?
>
> It means that if you get an education and work harder than the guy next to you, you have a very reasonable chance of becoming wealthy. At the minimum…self sufficient.

Well this is a shiny idea on the far right, but

1) It says nothing about inherited wealth. r > g.

2) Wealth will continue to concentrate as fewer and fewer workers are needed to maintain the gears of commerce. There will be massive unemployment and unprecedented wealth at the very top. Your job and mine will go away, and there will be riots in the streets. And of course there will be millions of propaganda victims who will continue to screech that hard work is all you need to succeed. This will be what destroys America.

So saith Marx. How did all that turn out?

>>> Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.
>>
>> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.
>
> You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?
>
> I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.

I'm not trying offend you. However, if Jesus is anything like historical accounts he would not have been down with the brand of "I got mine, fuck you" capitalism that's currently so popular on the far right.

I'm not offended nor am I a believer in that far right maxim. I think there should be a safety net for the legitimately poor and disabled. For example, I think the ACA taxes and individual mandate should stay in place.

[toms...@gmail.com]

Tell that to Bill Clinton.

[Carbon]

On 06/28/2017 12:46 AM, Dene wrote:
> On 06/27/2017 11:11 PM, Dene wrote:
>> On 06/27/2017 09:25 PM, Dene wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I think we all agree that America has serious problems. That said, how do you imagine this supply-side giveaway is going to fix them? How do you know it won't be a driver for more poverty, crime, hunger, misery, etc?
>>>>>
>>>>> A robust economy and equal opportunity for education is the key.
>>>>
>>>> What does equal opportunity mean in a country like the US where there is extreme concentration of wealth?
>>>
>>> It means that if you get an education and work harder than the guy next to you, you have a very reasonable chance of becoming wealthy. At the minimum…self sufficient.
>>
>> Well this is a shiny idea on the far right, but
>>
>> 1) It says nothing about inherited wealth. r > g.
>>
>> 2) Wealth will continue to concentrate as fewer and fewer workers are needed to maintain the gears of commerce. There will be massive unemployment and unprecedented wealth at the very top. Your job and mine will go away, and there will be riots in the streets. And of course there will be millions of propaganda victims who will continue to screech that hard work is all you need to succeed. This will be what destroys America.
>>
> So saith Marx. How did all that turn out?

So sayeth Thomas Picketty. Here it is in four paragraphs: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/05/economist-explains

Automation is going to take over. It won't just be autonomous vehicles. People call in sick. They want vacations and reasonable wages. They bitch if they get mistreated. It's far easier and more efficient to replace them with machines whenever possible. As technology progresses machines will take over nearly every domain that is currently handled by man. At that point there will be a very small owner class, and everyone else. There will be propaganda for the fools and cheap booze for everyone else. It's hard to imagine anything but cataclysmic unrest. This is the logical conclusion of the "I got mine, fuck you" capitalist philosophy.

About that temptation to sweep all this away: You haven't thought about it enough.

>>>>> Another question. How do you reconcile the meanness of this bill with your religious faith? Would Jesus sacrifice 22 million people so the very rich could get richer? I'm genuinely curious. There seems to be a disconnect.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus was a realist. "There will always be poor among you." The distinction is that in America, being poor is often a choice, in contrast to 3rd world countries or the poor in Christ's time.
>>>
>>> You're suggesting that someone willing to be crucified for an idea was a realist?
>>>
>>> I'm suggesting he was the son of God and that he died for your sins. I'm also suggesting that you find another historical figure. Christ was not a socialist.
>>
>> I'm not trying offend you. However, if Jesus is anything like historical accounts he would not have been down with the brand of "I got mine, fuck you" capitalism that's currently so popular on the far right.
>
> I'm not offended nor am I a believer in that far right maxim. I think there should be a safety net for the legitimately poor and disabled. For example, I think the ACA taxes and individual mandate should stay in place.

Good. I was starting to wonder. OTOH your party is taking its marching orders from the healthcare industrial complex. This is who the Republicans represent, not the voters.

[-hh]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:11:40 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
> Christ was not a socialist.

The "miracle of the five loaves and two fish" (aka Feeding of the 5,000)

Which was repeated shortly later with the Feeding of the 4,000.


-hh

[MNMikeW]

It's all they do.....and they do it well.

[B...@onramp.net]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:06:06 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:

>

I didn't say anything. All the above was from Politico,

[John B.]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:16:19 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:00:33 AM UTC-8, MNMikeW wrote:
> > Journalism is dead.
> >
> > http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/fake-news-meltdown-at-cnn-retractions-resignations-and-outbursts/
> >
> > http://www.veritaslive.com/06-26-2017/americanpravdacnn.html
> >
> > http://www.thewrap.com/three-cnn-employees-resign-retracted-story-russia-ties/
> >
> > http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/media/cnn-announcement-retracted-article/index.html
> >
> > https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/
>
> What a week for the Dems. The tide is turning....
>
> 1. Another congressional rep. loss and consequential challenges to the Dem leadership.
>
> 2. FNN debacle and the realization that people are not buying the Russia, Russia, Russia story.
>
> 3. FBI investigation of Bernie's wife.
>
> 4. Criticism of Obama for his limp wrist action regarding Russian meddling. "Stop it Putin...stop it."
>
> 5. Spotlight on Loretta Lynch for obstruction.
>
> 6. Supreme Court affirmation of the travel ban.

Most of your points you made up. SCOTUS did not affirm the travel ban.
If people don't believe there was Russian meddling, then why are they
mad at Obama for not doing enough about it?

Meanwhile, the GOP controls the government, lock, stock, and barrel,
and they can't accomplish a goddamn thing.

[John B.]

Great again? When was it great before and when did it lose its greatness?

[Alan Baker]

It's quite amazing isn't it?

The wingnuts--like Trump himself--can argue both that there was no
interference...

...and that Obama should have done something about it.

:-)

[John B.]

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 11:11:40 PM UTC-4, Dene wrote:

Jesus chose to be poor. He took a vow of poverty and required his
disciples to do the same. He was about kindness and mercy and helping
the least fortunate among us, i.e., the people you and your ilk say are deadbeats and losers.

[Alan Baker]

The right is only will to help deadbeats and losers if they're incorporated.

:-)

[Carbon]

That is an excellent question. I'm not a kook so I have no answer for this one.

> Meanwhile, the GOP controls the government, lock, stock, and barrel,
> and they can't accomplish a goddamn thing.

Truth.