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unknown
Nov 10, 2012, 9:23:34 PM11/10/12
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Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84
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la...@pivotforpower.com
Nov 11, 2012, 6:08:39 PM11/11/12
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I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
Larry
Howard Brazee
Nov 11, 2012, 7:47:02 PM11/11/12
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On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:08:39 -0800 (PST), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply
>should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible
>citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and
>other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
Of course looking at history tells us that Republicans are no more
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply
>should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible
>citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and
>other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
fiscally responsible than Democrats. And that just about everybody
promises to get rid of tax loopholes.
It isn't just the Democrats that believe what they want to believe.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Silvio
Nov 12, 2012, 7:34:53 AM11/12/12
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itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional
country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as
long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is
bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world
to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the
future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but
they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before
every-bodies mid/long term interests.
I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had
a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his
successors.
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 7:42:58 AM11/12/12
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In article <50a0eced$0$6864$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
sil...@internet.com says...
Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
downfall is increasing in our current times.
sil...@internet.com says...
cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
downfall is increasing in our current times.
Silvio
Nov 12, 2012, 9:41:02 AM11/12/12
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cause-effect relation. It is just as likely that social structures have
collapsed as an effect of the downfall of their civilizations. This
becomes even more likely when you look at the civilizations that have
started rising as a result of being able to shake their old ways, China
being an obvious example.
History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
factor in civilization downfall.
Howard Brazee
Nov 12, 2012, 10:28:12 AM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
>cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
>history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
>downfall is increasing in our current times.
I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
>Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
>cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
>history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
>downfall is increasing in our current times.
much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
Union.
It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
that costs.
unknown
Nov 12, 2012, 12:35:03 PM11/12/12
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Well stated.
.
.
Don Kirkman
Nov 12, 2012, 1:07:57 PM11/12/12
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>In article <50a0eced$0$6864$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
>sil...@internet.com says...
>>
>> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
>> >> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84
>sil...@internet.com says...
>>
>> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
>> >> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84
>> > Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
That's why it's important to learn about other points of view than
your own. You don't have to believe if you don't want to, but not
even acknowledging that other facts/opinions/viewpoints exist is fatal
to intelligent choices.
>> > I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the
>lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
>> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced
>> itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional
>> country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as
>> long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
>>
>> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is
>> bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world
>> to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
>>
>> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the
>> future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
>>
>> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but
>> they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before
>> every-bodies mid/long term interests.
>>
>> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had
>> a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his
>> successors.
>
>Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
>cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
>history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
>downfall is increasing in our current times.
Huns, the Inquisition, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and everything will be
peachy? Stay unconverted, Bert, and enjoy your future.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Don A Roof
Nov 12, 2012, 1:29:22 PM11/12/12
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LLLLLLarrrrry Whines:
"Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting
that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading
the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed
Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising
them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he
got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't
know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American
history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible
citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of
course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing
they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't
watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game."
__________________________________
that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading
the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed
Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising
them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he
got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't
know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American
history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible
citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of
course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing
they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't
watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game."
After admitting that he was taken in by Fox News LLLLarry tells us that
we're ignorant if we don't watch Fox News or read the WSJ or listen to
Limbaugh or Hannity or some other wingnut.
BTW there were no "others" who were correct, LLLLLarry. NOBODY called a
landslide for Romney but the wingnuts like Morris (whose ass you
constantly kissed here).
When LLLLarrry mentions the word "stuff" be assured that it is plain and
simple Fox horseshit. STUFF is the line that the wingnuts at Fox have
been pedaling ever since Romney got his ass kicked. The line is that
"we" went for "free stuff rather than freedom."
Nothing at all to do with having an asshole for a candidate who got his
ass kicked because he WAS an asshole.
Of course, the idiot LLLLarry finishes up by advising "us" (like he does
with his inane golf horseshit) to watch interviews with "smart folks"
like he does - so that he could predict a Romney landslide. <chuckle!!>
Carbon
Nov 12, 2012, 6:13:23 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
> Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in
> the history books.
Then you should have no trouble coming up with a cite.
> Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in
> the history books.
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 7:27:08 PM11/12/12
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In article <50a10a7e$0$6965$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
The Arabs and Asians have been living under autocratic or authoritarian
rule for thousands of years. China has recently realized that private
ownership property can lead to more efficient and profitable business.
China's relative recent forays into "controlled" capitalism may not
continue if Europe and the USA economically fail.
> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
> and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
> civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
> indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
> factor in civilization downfall.
Again, the authoritarian societies are less likely to be the cause of a
rule for thousands of years. China has recently realized that private
ownership property can lead to more efficient and profitable business.
China's relative recent forays into "controlled" capitalism may not
continue if Europe and the USA economically fail.
> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
> and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
> civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
> indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
> factor in civilization downfall.
"rise of competing civilizations and inventions of disruptive
techniques."
Advances come from innovation and innovation comes from freedom.
techniques."
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 7:30:08 PM11/12/12
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In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
by the hour.
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> >downfall is increasing in our current times.
>
> I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> Union.
>
> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> that costs.
Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> >downfall is increasing in our current times.
>
> I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> Union.
>
> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> that costs.
government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
by the hour.
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 7:31:29 PM11/12/12
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In article <cae2a81daauidktom...@4ax.com>, donsno2
@charter.net says...
Our future is one that is moving away from individual liberty and
liberty itself.
@charter.net says...
liberty itself.
Alan Baker
Nov 12, 2012, 7:33:48 PM11/12/12
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In article <MPG.2b0b5e96...@news.giganews.com>,
It seems to me that it was the last Republican administration that made
the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
:-)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
:-)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 7:35:00 PM11/12/12
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In article <pan.2012.11...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Try reading a history book once in a while.
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 12, 2012, 7:35:29 PM11/12/12
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our liberties. Let's see that list.
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 12, 2012, 7:36:52 PM11/12/12
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>
unknown
Nov 12, 2012, 7:49:49 PM11/12/12
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>>> Try reading a history book once in a while.
Give me some examples.
I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
.
On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 7:58:06 PM11/12/12
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In article <nc53a85dpmbabnqga...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and
you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and
you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 8:00:57 PM11/12/12
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In article <4b335014-bbbc-441e...@googlegroups.com>,
defangeda...@gmail.com says...
Learn how to respond to an post correctly.
defangeda...@gmail.com says...
BAR
Nov 12, 2012, 8:03:57 PM11/12/12
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In article <alangbaker-FAF86...@news.shawcable.net>,
alang...@telus.net says...
TSA.
The government was already listening to all overseas calls, they just
wanted a way to speed up the process of civilian prosecution. What they
got was a far reaching act that reduced everyone's liberties.
The TSA has turned into a harborer of criminals and miscreants.
alang...@telus.net says...
>
> In article <MPG.2b0b5e96...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2...@4ax.com>,
> > how...@brazee.net says...
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> > > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> > > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> > > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> > >
> > > I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> > > much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> > > Union.
> > >
> > > It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> > > Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> > > that costs.
> >
> > Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
> > government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
> > by the hour.
>
> It seems to me that it was the last Republican administration that made
> the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
>
> ...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
>
> :-)
I never supported the Patriot act or the creation of the Gestapo, I mean
> In article <MPG.2b0b5e96...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2...@4ax.com>,
> > how...@brazee.net says...
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> > > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> > > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> > > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> > >
> > > I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> > > much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> > > Union.
> > >
> > > It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> > > Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> > > that costs.
> >
> > Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
> > government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
> > by the hour.
>
> It seems to me that it was the last Republican administration that made
> the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
>
> ...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
>
> :-)
TSA.
The government was already listening to all overseas calls, they just
wanted a way to speed up the process of civilian prosecution. What they
got was a far reaching act that reduced everyone's liberties.
The TSA has turned into a harborer of criminals and miscreants.
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 12, 2012, 8:20:30 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:58:06 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
>> >> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
>> >> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
>> >> that costs.
>> >
>> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
>> >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
>> >by the hour.
>>
>> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
>> our liberties. Let's see that list.
>
>Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
>
>Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and
>you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
>
No list huh? More of your stupidity.
>
>> >> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
>> >> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
>> >> that costs.
>> >
>> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
>> >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
>> >by the hour.
>>
>> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
>> our liberties. Let's see that list.
>
>Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
>
>Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and
>you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
>
Alan Baker
Nov 12, 2012, 8:14:25 PM11/12/12
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In article <MPG.2b0b6685...@news.giganews.com>,
You never made much noise about it that I recall.
>
> The government was already listening to all overseas calls, they just
> wanted a way to speed up the process of civilian prosecution. What they
> got was a far reaching act that reduced everyone's liberties.
>
> The TSA has turned into a harborer of criminals and miscreants.
>
> The government was already listening to all overseas calls, they just
> wanted a way to speed up the process of civilian prosecution. What they
> got was a far reaching act that reduced everyone's liberties.
>
> The TSA has turned into a harborer of criminals and miscreants.
Howard Brazee
Nov 12, 2012, 9:56:08 PM11/12/12
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:20:30 -0600, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>>> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
>>> >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
>>> >by the hour.
>>>
>>> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
>>> our liberties. Let's see that list.
>>
>>Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
>>
>>Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and
>>you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
>>
>No list huh? More of your stupidity.
The regulations that cost me are bad. The ones that keep me safe
>>> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal
>>> >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced
>>> >by the hour.
>>>
>>> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
>>> our liberties. Let's see that list.
>>
>>Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
>>
>>Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and
>>you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
>>
>No list huh? More of your stupidity.
from what others do are good.
Of course, by changing the value of "me", that covers all except for
the special interest regulations written to keep them from having to
compete too hard.
William Clark
Nov 12, 2012, 9:54:39 PM11/12/12
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Don Kirkman
Nov 13, 2012, 2:09:33 AM11/13/12
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working together to make things better. The Tea Party is only one of
the latest examples. Remember the disorganized militias and the tree
huggers, the pot growers and the AK-47 collectors.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 7:28:40 AM11/13/12
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In article <g7s3a8plqoo4ned8o...@4ax.com>, donsno2
"Working together to make things better?" What does that mean?
The Democrat party is nothing but splinter groups that are kept in line
with threats and coercion.
The Democrat party is nothing but splinter groups that are kept in line
with threats and coercion.
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 7:29:11 AM11/13/12
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In article <clark-A59CD4....@nntp.aioe.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Have you paid off your wagers yet, deadbeat?
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Silvio
Nov 13, 2012, 7:46:47 AM11/13/12
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their socialist dogmas than the American ones truly believe unlimited
freedom, small government and faith in God for everything else is truly
best for long term development. They simply choose to serve their own
interests. In China they still succeed in slowing down the unstoppable
change into a society with more personal freedom and equality but they
are merely hanging on to the past. Sounds familiar?
>> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
>> and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
>> civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
>> indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
>> factor in civilization downfall.
>
> Again, the authoritarian societies are less likely to be the cause of a
> "rise of competing civilizations and inventions of disruptive
> techniques."
>
> Advances come from innovation and innovation comes from freedom.
>
>
not only the "free enterprise small government" version.
Additionally, innovation alone is not enough to guarantee advance in all
important areas. Look at the appalling state of Americas infrastructure
like roads, bridges, levees and electrical distribution network. This
stems from the inability of America to act as an undivided nation.
Conservative Americans insist on trusting in neighbourhoods, churches
and private innovators for everything but these bring no progress in
such essential areas and are poor structures to guard against collective
mishap (like economical crises) and large scale disasters (like floods).
The exception being the US military where America acts as an undivided
nation. Hardly surprising that it is still the undisputed world leader
in that area.
Americas inability to respond to (or even acknowledge) its alarming
economical state is the only real threat to that position.
William Clark
Nov 13, 2012, 8:06:12 AM11/13/12
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In article <MPG.2b0c0724...@news.giganews.com>,
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <clark-A59CD4....@nntp.aioe.org>,
> cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.2b0b65d5...@news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <4b335014-bbbc-441e...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > defangeda...@gmail.com says...
> > > >
> > > > >>> Try reading a history book once in a while.
> > > >
> > > > Give me some examples.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and
> > > > be
> > > > thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> > > > > Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on
> > > > > Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come
> > > > > out
> > > > > and say.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > >
> > > Learn how to respond to an post correctly.
> >
> > "To an post . . "? Learn to use English correctly.
>
> Have you paid off your wagers yet, deadbeat?
Have you learned to speak and write English yet?
> In article <clark-A59CD4....@nntp.aioe.org>,
> cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> >
> > In article <MPG.2b0b65d5...@news.giganews.com>,
> > BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <4b335014-bbbc-441e...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > defangeda...@gmail.com says...
> > > >
> > > > >>> Try reading a history book once in a while.
> > > >
> > > > Give me some examples.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and
> > > > be
> > > > thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> > > > > Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on
> > > > > Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come
> > > > > out
> > > > > and say.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > >
> > > Learn how to respond to an post correctly.
> >
> > "To an post . . "? Learn to use English correctly.
>
> Have you paid off your wagers yet, deadbeat?
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 8:24:43 AM11/13/12
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In article <50a24137$0$6852$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
sil...@internet.com says...
The economic slowdown, worldwide, has finally reached China. If China
has no market for their goods then they have a massive internal economic
issue.
You do know that China funds it military through manufacturing.
> >> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
> >> and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
> >> civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
> >> indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
> >> factor in civilization downfall.
> >
> > Again, the authoritarian societies are less likely to be the cause of a
> > "rise of competing civilizations and inventions of disruptive
> > techniques."
> >
> > Advances come from innovation and innovation comes from freedom.
> >
> >
>
> Innovation may come from freedom but there are many forms of freedom,
> not only the "free enterprise small government" version.
>
> Additionally, innovation alone is not enough to guarantee advance in all
> important areas. Look at the appalling state of Americas infrastructure
> like roads, bridges, levees and electrical distribution network. This
> stems from the inability of America to act as an undivided nation.
> Conservative Americans insist on trusting in neighbourhoods, churches
> and private innovators for everything but these bring no progress in
> such essential areas and are poor structures to guard against collective
> mishap (like economical crises) and large scale disasters (like floods).
>
> The exception being the US military where America acts as an undivided
> nation. Hardly surprising that it is still the undisputed world leader
> in that area.
> Americas inability to respond to (or even acknowledge) its alarming
> economical state is the only real threat to that position.
The most innovative item to come out of the Soviet Union was the AK-47.
Everything else was copied from the West.
sil...@internet.com says...
has no market for their goods then they have a massive internal economic
issue.
You do know that China funds it military through manufacturing.
> >> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
> >> and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
> >> civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
> >> indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
> >> factor in civilization downfall.
> >
> > Again, the authoritarian societies are less likely to be the cause of a
> > "rise of competing civilizations and inventions of disruptive
> > techniques."
> >
> > Advances come from innovation and innovation comes from freedom.
> >
> >
>
> Innovation may come from freedom but there are many forms of freedom,
> not only the "free enterprise small government" version.
>
> Additionally, innovation alone is not enough to guarantee advance in all
> important areas. Look at the appalling state of Americas infrastructure
> like roads, bridges, levees and electrical distribution network. This
> stems from the inability of America to act as an undivided nation.
> Conservative Americans insist on trusting in neighbourhoods, churches
> and private innovators for everything but these bring no progress in
> such essential areas and are poor structures to guard against collective
> mishap (like economical crises) and large scale disasters (like floods).
>
> The exception being the US military where America acts as an undivided
> nation. Hardly surprising that it is still the undisputed world leader
> in that area.
> Americas inability to respond to (or even acknowledge) its alarming
> economical state is the only real threat to that position.
Everything else was copied from the West.
MNMikeW
Nov 13, 2012, 11:15:15 AM11/13/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 13, 2012, 11:28:02 AM11/13/12
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compound emissions from architectural coatings.
That was obviously the most important of all of them since it was
mentioned. Now go to the government's web site and look for something
that is reducing your freedoms. There won't be many, and they
probably won't be problematic. If so you can bet that they'll be
news....and fought.
MNMikeW
Nov 13, 2012, 11:47:37 AM11/13/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 13, 2012, 11:56:02 AM11/13/12
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From what the polls show if you are against Obamacare you're in the
minority.
MNMikeW
Nov 13, 2012, 12:08:50 PM11/13/12
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of them are exempt from it. Just like Congress.
gpsman
Nov 13, 2012, 12:19:39 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 11:47 am, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
willfully because you hate niggers.
We are already paying for the healthcare of those without insurance
through higher premiums, so grossly inefficiently it threatens to
eventually collapse our economy.
Obamacare adds those people to the premium pool to provide the dual
benefits of reducing premiums for everyone and not making the
uninsured seek sky-high hospital care for common illnesses and
injuries they can't pay for, or waiting until treatment become more
involved and expensive and passing those avoidable costs onto those
who can afford insurance, or dying.
If you or Fox News has a better solution, stop keeping it a secret.
-----
- gpsman
> bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> > Now go to the government's web site and look for something
> > that is reducing your freedoms. There won't be many, and they
> > probably won't be problematic. If so you can bet that they'll be
> > news....and fought.
>
> Obamacare.
You don't know 2 facts about Obamacare, and obviously remain ignorant
> > Now go to the government's web site and look for something
> > that is reducing your freedoms. There won't be many, and they
> > probably won't be problematic. If so you can bet that they'll be
> > news....and fought.
>
> Obamacare.
willfully because you hate niggers.
We are already paying for the healthcare of those without insurance
through higher premiums, so grossly inefficiently it threatens to
eventually collapse our economy.
Obamacare adds those people to the premium pool to provide the dual
benefits of reducing premiums for everyone and not making the
uninsured seek sky-high hospital care for common illnesses and
injuries they can't pay for, or waiting until treatment become more
involved and expensive and passing those avoidable costs onto those
who can afford insurance, or dying.
If you or Fox News has a better solution, stop keeping it a secret.
-----
- gpsman
MNMikeW
Nov 13, 2012, 12:42:14 PM11/13/12
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man.
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 13, 2012, 12:54:27 PM11/13/12
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Hospitals love it...they're getting paid more times now.
Dene
Nov 13, 2012, 1:06:08 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 5:05 am, William Clark <cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-
Welsher = William Clark
-Greg
state.edu> wrote:
>
> > Have you paid off your wagers yet, deadbeat?
>
> Have you learned to speak and write English yet?
I know a little math...
>
> > Have you paid off your wagers yet, deadbeat?
>
> Have you learned to speak and write English yet?
Welsher = William Clark
-Greg
Don Kirkman
Nov 13, 2012, 1:54:44 PM11/13/12
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means.
>The Democrat party is nothing but splinter groups that are kept in line
>with threats and coercion.
party, and by definition no threats, no coercion.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
Frank Ketchum
Nov 13, 2012, 2:10:07 PM11/13/12
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"BAR" <sc...@you.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2b0c0705...@news.giganews.com...
obamacare.
>
> The Democrat party is nothing but splinter groups that are kept in line
> with threats and coercion.
Frank Ketchum
Nov 13, 2012, 2:54:00 PM11/13/12
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news:MPG.2b0c0724...@news.giganews.com...
What is this about?
Frank Ketchum
Nov 13, 2012, 2:59:44 PM11/13/12
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"Silvio" <sil...@internet.com> wrote in message
news:50a24137$0$6852$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl...
>
> Americas inability to respond to (or even acknowledge) its alarming
> economical state is the only real threat to that position.
>
So very true. Rather than acknowledge our ever worsening condition, a week
> Americas inability to respond to (or even acknowledge) its alarming
> economical state is the only real threat to that position.
>
ago we voted to push forward full throttle.
MNMikeW
Nov 13, 2012, 3:12:22 PM11/13/12
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gpsman
Nov 13, 2012, 4:43:33 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 2:10 pm, "Frank Ketchum" <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:
> "BAR" <sc...@you.com> wrote in message
>
> "BAR" <sc...@you.com> wrote in message
>
> > The Democrat party is nothing but splinter groups that are kept in line
> > with threats and coercion.
>
> No, they are kept in the fold with handouts, payola and subsidies.
No. I voted for BO mostly because Romney wants to deregulate
> > with threats and coercion.
>
> No, they are kept in the fold with handouts, payola and subsidies.
markets. That, and he condemned his own damn Romneycare that makes
perfect sense and is the law of the land of MA and working great.
His major problem seems to me to have been directly related to having
to satisfy his financial base of rich right-wing bigoted faux
Christian k00ks, and a shortage of similar but more ignorant
hillbillies failing to vote early or make it to the polls.
All them aborted babies of all them welfare mothers so desperately
needing to be pried from their teats, Obamacare and its death squads,
a federal conspiracy to eliminate the Christian God from the earth
once and for all, the entire future of the country, nay the planet
hanging in the balance, and they apparently had something more
important to do than let a black dope-smoking Christian-hating Muslim
Marxist Socialist native of Kenya get elected to the fucking
presidency.
Some of those nitwits spent a lot of time here telling us why Romney
was a lock instead of GOTV to save the world they were predicting
would otherwise end.
I'm no theologian but it sure seems like some people have to be due a
first-class ticket to hell.
-----
- gpsman
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 13, 2012, 4:53:07 PM11/13/12
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William Clark
Nov 13, 2012, 4:59:14 PM11/13/12
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In article
<80e5764d-fff5-45af...@px4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
Toddle off now - Mommy has your tea ready :-)
<80e5764d-fff5-45af...@px4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 6:09:26 PM11/13/12
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In article <agfa0j...@mid.individual.net>, mnmi...@aol.com says...
The information is out there and if people would just keep themselves
informed of what is going on by using multiple sources of information
they would know issues, occurrence and activities.
However, when your sole source of information is an information outlet
that just regurgitates the DNC's talking points you miss quite a bit.
informed of what is going on by using multiple sources of information
they would know issues, occurrence and activities.
However, when your sole source of information is an information outlet
that just regurgitates the DNC's talking points you miss quite a bit.
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 6:12:46 PM11/13/12
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In article <dc82d7d0-b63f-4536-a3a7-
25ec4b...@m4g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
> We are already paying for the healthcare of those without insurance
> through higher premiums, so grossly inefficiently it threatens to
> eventually collapse our economy.
What is wrong with people paying for the services they receive. Why
should others have to chip in for your sustenance?
> Obamacare adds those people to the premium pool to provide the dual
> benefits of reducing premiums for everyone and not making the
> uninsured seek sky-high hospital care for common illnesses and
> injuries they can't pay for, or waiting until treatment become more
> involved and expensive and passing those avoidable costs onto those
> who can afford insurance, or dying.
We could have paid for their insurance without turning the whole health
insurance system on its ear.
> If you or Fox News has a better solution, stop keeping it a secret.
Pay for the services you receive.
25ec4b...@m4g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
>
> On Nov 13, 11:47 am, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> > bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> > > Now go to the government's web site and look for something
> > > that is reducing your freedoms. There won't be many, and they
> > > probably won't be problematic. If so you can bet that they'll be
> > > news....and fought.
> >
> > Obamacare.
>
> You don't know 2 facts about Obamacare, and obviously remain ignorant
> willfully because you hate niggers.
Any creditablility you thought you had just went out the window.
> On Nov 13, 11:47 am, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> > bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> > > Now go to the government's web site and look for something
> > > that is reducing your freedoms. There won't be many, and they
> > > probably won't be problematic. If so you can bet that they'll be
> > > news....and fought.
> >
> > Obamacare.
>
> You don't know 2 facts about Obamacare, and obviously remain ignorant
> willfully because you hate niggers.
> We are already paying for the healthcare of those without insurance
> through higher premiums, so grossly inefficiently it threatens to
> eventually collapse our economy.
should others have to chip in for your sustenance?
> Obamacare adds those people to the premium pool to provide the dual
> benefits of reducing premiums for everyone and not making the
> uninsured seek sky-high hospital care for common illnesses and
> injuries they can't pay for, or waiting until treatment become more
> involved and expensive and passing those avoidable costs onto those
> who can afford insurance, or dying.
insurance system on its ear.
> If you or Fox News has a better solution, stop keeping it a secret.
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 6:16:47 PM11/13/12
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BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 6:18:47 PM11/13/12
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In article <0d3337f4-c3c5-4717-b660-
8125d4...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
Aren't you a racist? Your recent posting history gives everyone that
impression.
8125d4...@m4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
impression.
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 6:20:58 PM11/13/12
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In article <ozxos.2383$Jn4...@newsfe27.iad>, nos...@thanksanyway.com
says...
Billie Clark's claim to have entered, participated, and completed two
marathons.
After the bet was accepted by Moderate, Billie tried to coerce Moderate
into accepting as conclusive proof anything Billie proffered as
evidence.
says...
marathons.
After the bet was accepted by Moderate, Billie tried to coerce Moderate
into accepting as conclusive proof anything Billie proffered as
evidence.
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 6:22:18 PM11/13/12
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In article <MExos.811$dK7...@newsfe09.iad>, nos...@thanksanyway.com
says...
Bobbie's barely a majority, less than 51 percent, are driving the car
now.
says...
now.
Carbon
Nov 13, 2012, 7:31:52 PM11/13/12
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your democracy.
BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 7:40:31 PM11/13/12
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In article <pan.2012.11...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
All claims of a mandate are false.
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Carbon
Nov 13, 2012, 8:33:02 PM11/13/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 13, 2012, 8:37:07 PM11/13/12
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BAR
Nov 13, 2012, 10:35:16 PM11/13/12
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In article <0dt5a81jffrblrg0j...@4ax.com>,
disappeared in 2006.
bkn...@conramp.net says...
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:40:31 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <pan.2012.11...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> >nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:16:47 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >> > In article <2pu4a891i92s3bsmf...@4ax.com>,
> >> > bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:47:37 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Obamacare.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was news and fought.
> >> >>
> >> >> From what the polls show if you are against Obamacare you're in the
> >> >> minority.
> >> >
> >> > Barely in the minority.
> >>
> >> The election was basically a referendum on Obamacare. You lost. Enjoy
> >> your democracy.
> >
> >All claims of a mandate are false.
> >
> All claims of a GOP win are false. Tell Rove.
I don't care about Rove. As I have stated before, Rove should have
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:40:31 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <pan.2012.11...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> >nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:16:47 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >> > In article <2pu4a891i92s3bsmf...@4ax.com>,
> >> > bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:47:37 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Obamacare.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was news and fought.
> >> >>
> >> >> From what the polls show if you are against Obamacare you're in the
> >> >> minority.
> >> >
> >> > Barely in the minority.
> >>
> >> The election was basically a referendum on Obamacare. You lost. Enjoy
> >> your democracy.
> >
> >All claims of a mandate are false.
> >
> All claims of a GOP win are false. Tell Rove.
disappeared in 2006.
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 13, 2012, 10:48:14 PM11/13/12
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gpsman
Nov 13, 2012, 11:27:33 PM11/13/12
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On Nov 13, 6:13 pm, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> gps...@driversmail.com says...
> > We are already paying for the healthcare of those without insurance
> > through higher premiums, so grossly inefficiently it threatens to
> > eventually collapse our economy.
>
> What is wrong with people paying for the services they receive.
Few can afford them, which is kinda the basis of the need for
"insurance" in the first place, Sparky.
> Why
> should others have to chip in for your sustenance?
My sustenance...?! Why not just say you have no serious interest in
the subject?
> > Obamacare adds those people to the premium pool to provide the dual
> > benefits of reducing premiums for everyone and not making the
> > uninsured seek sky-high hospital care for common illnesses and
> > injuries they can't pay for, or waiting until treatment become more
> > involved and expensive and passing those avoidable costs onto those
> > who can afford insurance, or dying.
>
> We could have paid for their insurance without turning the whole health
> insurance system on its ear.
Fascinating. What happened to pay your way...?
> > If you or Fox News has a better solution, stop keeping it a secret.
>
> Pay for the services you receive.
There is is, little rascal.
Thanks for confirming you don't know 2 facts about Obamacare.
-----
- gpsman
> gps...@driversmail.com says...
>
> > You don't know 2 facts about Obamacare, and obviously remain ignorant
> > willfully because you hate niggers.
>
> Any creditablility you thought you had just went out the window.
So... no rebuttal...
> > You don't know 2 facts about Obamacare, and obviously remain ignorant
> > willfully because you hate niggers.
>
> Any creditablility you thought you had just went out the window.
> > We are already paying for the healthcare of those without insurance
> > through higher premiums, so grossly inefficiently it threatens to
> > eventually collapse our economy.
>
> What is wrong with people paying for the services they receive.
"insurance" in the first place, Sparky.
> Why
> should others have to chip in for your sustenance?
the subject?
> > Obamacare adds those people to the premium pool to provide the dual
> > benefits of reducing premiums for everyone and not making the
> > uninsured seek sky-high hospital care for common illnesses and
> > injuries they can't pay for, or waiting until treatment become more
> > involved and expensive and passing those avoidable costs onto those
> > who can afford insurance, or dying.
>
> We could have paid for their insurance without turning the whole health
> insurance system on its ear.
> > If you or Fox News has a better solution, stop keeping it a secret.
>
> Pay for the services you receive.
Thanks for confirming you don't know 2 facts about Obamacare.
-----
- gpsman
BAR
Nov 14, 2012, 7:51:52 AM11/14/12
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In article <b67ce12d-205e-433a-9be2-
f07b6e...@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
Obamacare is one more step towards a dictatorship.
f07b6e...@v9g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
gpsman
Nov 14, 2012, 8:34:15 AM11/14/12
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> > Thanks for confirming you don't know 2 facts about Obamacare.
>
>
> Obamacare is one more step towards a dictatorship.
Great effort, but no substantiation of your willful ignorance is
necessary, thanks. Your capacity for idiotically broad, vague and
unsupported assertions cover it nicely.
-----
- gpsman
MNMikeW
Nov 14, 2012, 10:31:11 AM11/14/12
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will see who is in the minority.
gpsman
Nov 14, 2012, 10:58:14 AM11/14/12
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On Nov 14, 10:31 am, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Obamacare was not about Democracy. Wait till this POS rolls out and we
> will see who is in the minority.
http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/
>
> Obamacare was not about Democracy. Wait till this POS rolls out and we
> will see who is in the minority.
-----
- gpsman
BAR
Nov 14, 2012, 6:56:38 PM11/14/12
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In article <f2b12717-9e1a-44cf-a1cf-
9a591f...@a14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
Don't get made at me when you lose your last freedoms.
9a591f...@a14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, gps...@driversmail.com
says...
Carbon
Nov 14, 2012, 7:08:00 PM11/14/12
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ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
BAR
Nov 14, 2012, 7:51:26 PM11/14/12
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works.
Carbon
Nov 14, 2012, 7:55:27 PM11/14/12
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We'll wait.
BAR
Nov 14, 2012, 8:03:08 PM11/14/12
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folks home, drooling and shitting yourself is not a life many of us want
to lead. But, you could be the first person to desire that.
Carbon
Nov 14, 2012, 9:09:20 PM11/14/12
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Howard Brazee
Nov 14, 2012, 9:27:29 PM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
>> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
>
>We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
>works.
Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
>> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
>> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
>
>We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
>works.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
BAR
Nov 14, 2012, 10:17:18 PM11/14/12
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yourself for several years is not a great situation to be in.
BAR
Nov 14, 2012, 10:20:38 PM11/14/12
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In article <knk8a8pe61c3c77lu...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
Ask the SCOTUS.
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
> >
> >We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
> >works.
>
> Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
Mandated insurance or taxed is all the same.
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
> >
> >We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
> >works.
>
> Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
Ask the SCOTUS.
Carbon
Nov 14, 2012, 10:31:11 PM11/14/12
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Carbon
Nov 14, 2012, 10:34:39 PM11/14/12
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johnty
Nov 15, 2012, 4:59:10 AM11/15/12
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<APPLAUSE>
BAR
Nov 15, 2012, 7:49:56 AM11/15/12
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In article <pan.2012.11...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Yeah, wow is right.
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Howard Brazee
Nov 15, 2012, 10:13:04 AM11/15/12
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like being given one choice - the government.
That said - how many people are unhappy that they have Medicare paying
for most of their insurance?
MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 10:45:47 AM11/15/12
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propaganda. Here's to recovery summer V!
MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 10:57:10 AM11/15/12
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been uncritically ingesting propaganda.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/health/policy/too-few-doctors-in-many-us-communities.html?_r=5&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120729&
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 11:51:29 AM11/15/12
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MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 12:24:47 PM11/15/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 1:22:16 PM11/15/12
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MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 1:38:33 PM11/15/12
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escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772
million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.
A 2011 audit found that 269,000 wireless Lifeline subscribers were
receiving free phones and monthly service from two or more carriers.
Several websites have been created to promote �free� government cell
phones, including the�The Obama Cell Phone� website at Obamaphone.net.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203
Dene
Nov 15, 2012, 1:45:33 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 7:12 am, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:20:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >In article <knk8a8pe61c3c77lu9emnuolh8mhfg0...@4ax.com>,
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:20:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >how...@brazee.net says...
>
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >> >> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
>
> >> >We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
> >> >works.
>
> >> Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
>
> >Mandated insurance or taxed is all the same.
>
> >Ask the SCOTUS.
>
> But letting us choose our private insurance company is nothing at all
> like being given one choice - the government.
>
> That said - how many people are unhappy that they have Medicare paying
> for most of their insurance?
None that I know of...
>
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >> >> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
>
> >> >We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
> >> >works.
>
> >> Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
>
> >Mandated insurance or taxed is all the same.
>
> >Ask the SCOTUS.
>
> But letting us choose our private insurance company is nothing at all
> like being given one choice - the government.
>
> That said - how many people are unhappy that they have Medicare paying
> for most of their insurance?
But Medicare pays a fortune for it.
Typical of the government.
-Greg
Dene
Nov 15, 2012, 1:47:07 PM11/15/12
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On Nov 15, 10:22 am, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:24:47 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> >bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >>>>>>> bkni...@conramp.net says...
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:47:37 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com>
ones for the O'phones. Smart of him to do that.
-Greg
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 11:24:47 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> >bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:45:47 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Carbon wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:31:11 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
> >>>>> Carbon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:16:47 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <2pu4a891i92s3bsmfceoqri1349skc2...@4ax.com>,
>
> >>> Carbon wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:31:11 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
> >>>>> Carbon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:16:47 -0500, BAR wrote:
> >>>>>>> bkni...@conramp.net says...
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:47:37 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Obamacare.
>
> >>>>>>>> It was news and fought.
>
> >>>>>>>> From what the polls show if you are against Obamacare you're in
> >>>>>>>> the minority.
>
> >>>>>>> Barely in the minority.
>
> >>>>>> The election was basically a referendum on Obamacare. You lost. Enjoy
> >>>>>> your democracy.
>
> >>>>> Obamacare was not about Democracy. Wait till this POS rolls out and we
> >>>>> will see who is in the minority.
>
> >>>> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >>>> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
>
> >>> Obama was re-elected by rubes like you who uncritically ingested
> >>> propaganda.
>
> >> You have to be smarter than this Mike. You HAVE to be.
>
> >>> Here's to recovery summer V!
>
> >Or it was the Obama phones.
>
> Or the Clinton phones, or the Bush phones????
Do you have the link for the Bush or Clinton phones? Mike gave us the
>
> >>>>>>>>> Obamacare.
>
> >>>>>>>> It was news and fought.
>
> >>>>>>>> From what the polls show if you are against Obamacare you're in
> >>>>>>>> the minority.
>
> >>>>>>> Barely in the minority.
>
> >>>>>> The election was basically a referendum on Obamacare. You lost. Enjoy
> >>>>>> your democracy.
>
> >>>>> Obamacare was not about Democracy. Wait till this POS rolls out and we
> >>>>> will see who is in the minority.
>
> >>>> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >>>> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
>
> >>> Obama was re-elected by rubes like you who uncritically ingested
> >>> propaganda.
>
> >> You have to be smarter than this Mike. You HAVE to be.
>
> >>> Here's to recovery summer V!
>
> >Or it was the Obama phones.
>
> Or the Clinton phones, or the Bush phones????
ones for the O'phones. Smart of him to do that.
-Greg
Don Kirkman
Nov 15, 2012, 1:56:30 PM11/15/12
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that article. Are you assuming, without evidence, that greater
difficulty in getting medical care is strongly correlated with life
expectancy and life span? The article looks to be discussing current
conditions affecting medical care, which could be ameliorated with
suitable financial and programmatic chances.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 2:01:23 PM11/15/12
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>phones, including the�The Obama Cell Phone� website at Obamaphone.net.
>
>http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203
Again only part of the story that you want to propose....why didn't
you click on the part that read:
"The Obama campaign is not pleased with an Obama supporter�s claim
that the president gave her a free �Obama phone.�
The campaign�s �Truth Team� denounced the idea of an �Obama phone�
yesterday, posting a message on Twitter in an effort to set the record
straight.
�FACT: Discounted phone services are provided through telecom
companies, �the President has nothing to do with it,�� the message
read".
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 2:07:40 PM11/15/12
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 10:47:07 -0800 (PST), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:
Here you go...actually I should've included Reagan since the program
began in '84.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp
wrote:
began in '84.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp
MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 2:55:38 PM11/15/12
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>> Several websites have been created to promote �free� government cell
>> phones, including the�The Obama Cell Phone� website at Obamaphone.net.
>>
>> http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203
>
> Again only part of the story that you want to propose....why didn't
> you click on the part that read:
>
> "The Obama campaign is not pleased with an Obama supporter�s claim
>> http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203
>
> Again only part of the story that you want to propose....why didn't
> you click on the part that read:
>
> that the president gave her a free �Obama phone.�
>
> The campaign�s �Truth Team� denounced the idea of an �Obama phone�
> yesterday, posting a message on Twitter in an effort to set the record
> straight.
>
> �FACT: Discounted phone services are provided through telecom
> straight.
>
> companies, �the President has nothing to do with it,�� the message
> read".
>
Everybody knows this. Well, probably not some Obama supporters obviously.
MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 2:59:38 PM11/15/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 3:15:53 PM11/15/12
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>> Obama was re-elected by rubes like you who uncritically ingested
>> propaganda.
>
> You have to be smarter than this Mike. You HAVE to be.
>>Or it was the Obama phones.
You seem to label them incorrectly too.
MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 3:54:32 PM11/15/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 4:00:57 PM11/15/12
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is not an Obama thing". :-)
MNMikeW
Nov 15, 2012, 4:19:04 PM11/15/12
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BAR
Nov 15, 2012, 5:42:01 PM11/15/12
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In article <rg1aa81ovgeiruvto...@4ax.com>,
The people are being screwed by Obamacare.
> That said - how many people are unhappy that they have Medicare paying
> for most of their insurance?
Do they have a choice?
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:20:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <knk8a8pe61c3c77lu...@4ax.com>,
> >how...@brazee.net says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >> >> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
> >> >
> >> >We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
> >> >works.
> >>
> >> Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
> >
> >Mandated insurance or taxed is all the same.
> >
> >Ask the SCOTUS.
>
> But letting us choose our private insurance company is nothing at all
> like being given one choice - the government.
You need to open your eyes and see what is happening within the country.
>
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 22:20:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <knk8a8pe61c3c77lu...@4ax.com>,
> >how...@brazee.net says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:51:26 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> How do you know it's going to be so terrible? Note that uncritically
> >> >> ingesting propaganda is not the same thing as acquiring knowledge.
> >> >
> >> >We have several first world countries to look at to see how poorly it
> >> >works.
> >>
> >> Which first world countries have mandated private insurance?
> >
> >Mandated insurance or taxed is all the same.
> >
> >Ask the SCOTUS.
>
> But letting us choose our private insurance company is nothing at all
> like being given one choice - the government.
The people are being screwed by Obamacare.
> That said - how many people are unhappy that they have Medicare paying
> for most of their insurance?
BAR
Nov 15, 2012, 5:49:52 PM11/15/12
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In article <gteaa8lt2fac4p1mq...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >Several websites have been created to promote ?free? government cell
> >phones, including the?The Obama Cell Phone? website at Obamaphone.net.
> that the president gave her a free ?Obama phone.?
They might not like it being called an Obama phone but, they sure do
like the votes the get from persons who have been given Obama phones.
> The campaign?s ?Truth Team? denounced the idea of an ?Obama phone?
Sometimes you don't get to name the program, it names itself.
> ?FACT: Discounted phone services are provided through telecom
> companies, ?the President has nothing to do with it,?? the message
> read".
That doesn't change the perception that they are now and forever will be
known as "Obama phones."
bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >phones, including the?The Obama Cell Phone? website at Obamaphone.net.
> >
> >http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203
>
> Again only part of the story that you want to propose....why didn't
> you click on the part that read:
>
> "The Obama campaign is not pleased with an Obama supporter?s claim
> >http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203
>
> Again only part of the story that you want to propose....why didn't
> you click on the part that read:
>
> that the president gave her a free ?Obama phone.?
They might not like it being called an Obama phone but, they sure do
like the votes the get from persons who have been given Obama phones.
> The campaign?s ?Truth Team? denounced the idea of an ?Obama phone?
> yesterday, posting a message on Twitter in an effort to set the record
> straight.
I like that "The Campaign's 'Truth Team.'"
> straight.
Sometimes you don't get to name the program, it names itself.
> ?FACT: Discounted phone services are provided through telecom
> companies, ?the President has nothing to do with it,?? the message
> read".
That doesn't change the perception that they are now and forever will be
known as "Obama phones."
bkn...@conramp.net
Nov 15, 2012, 5:55:10 PM11/15/12
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