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Irish Mike
Aug 7, 2012, 3:07:16 AM8/7/12
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Ernst and Young: Obama痴 Tax Increase Would Kill 710,000 Jobs
Curtis Dubay
July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
"A new study conducted by Ernst and Young proves conclusively that the
President痴 tax increase would be devastating to the economy and jobs.
The study finds that, if Congress misguidedly adopted President Obama痴
plan to raise taxes on job creators by allowing the Bush-era tax policies
to expire for incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for married filers), the
economy and jobs would suffer terribly:
桧utput in the long run would fall by 1.3 percent, or $200 billion, in
today痴 economy;
髭mployment in the long run would fall by 0.5 percent or, roughly 710,000
fewer jobs, in today痴 economy;
匹apital stock and investment in the long run would fall by 1.4 percent
and 2.4 percent, respectively; and
紐eal after-tax wages would fall by 1.8 percent.
There are almost 13 million Americans out of work today. President Obama痴
tax increase would needlessly add almost three-quarters of a million
people to that already much too large number. Even those with jobs
wouldn稚 escape the pain of President Obama痴 tax increase, as they would
see their wages suffer.
The report validates Heritage痴 argument that President Obama痴 tax
increase plan would badly hurt job creation because it would fall heaviest
on the most successful businesses that employ workers and pay their taxes
through the individual income tax (known as flow-through businesses). The
study reports:
The concern over higher individual tax rates has also been a focus because
of the prominent role played by flow-through businesses祐 corporations,
partnerships, limited liability companies, and sole proprietorships擁n the
US economy and that a large fraction of flow-through income is subject to
the top two individual income tax rates. These businesses employ 54% of
the private sector work force and pay 44% of federal business income
taxes. The number of workers employed by large flow-through businesses is
also significant: more than 20 million workers are employed by
flow-through businesses with more than 100 employees. (Emphasis added.)
President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn稚 impact 97
percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
aren稚 job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
The businesses that would pay this tax increase are the businesses that
hire millions of workers. Higher taxes on these vital job creators could
force them to cut back on their existing workforce and would certainly
cause them to slow hiring of new workers.
President Obama couches his argument for tax hikes on the rich in terms of
fairness. But it would be anything but fair that millions of unemployed
Americans desperate to go back to work would find it harder to land a job
to provide for their families because of President Obama痴 misguided class
warfare.
There can be no doubt any more that President Obama痴 Taxmageddon tax
increase would devastate jobs."
Irish Mike
Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
prove you're not an idiot.
Curtis Dubay
July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
"A new study conducted by Ernst and Young proves conclusively that the
President痴 tax increase would be devastating to the economy and jobs.
The study finds that, if Congress misguidedly adopted President Obama痴
plan to raise taxes on job creators by allowing the Bush-era tax policies
to expire for incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for married filers), the
economy and jobs would suffer terribly:
桧utput in the long run would fall by 1.3 percent, or $200 billion, in
today痴 economy;
髭mployment in the long run would fall by 0.5 percent or, roughly 710,000
fewer jobs, in today痴 economy;
匹apital stock and investment in the long run would fall by 1.4 percent
and 2.4 percent, respectively; and
紐eal after-tax wages would fall by 1.8 percent.
There are almost 13 million Americans out of work today. President Obama痴
tax increase would needlessly add almost three-quarters of a million
people to that already much too large number. Even those with jobs
wouldn稚 escape the pain of President Obama痴 tax increase, as they would
see their wages suffer.
The report validates Heritage痴 argument that President Obama痴 tax
increase plan would badly hurt job creation because it would fall heaviest
on the most successful businesses that employ workers and pay their taxes
through the individual income tax (known as flow-through businesses). The
study reports:
The concern over higher individual tax rates has also been a focus because
of the prominent role played by flow-through businesses祐 corporations,
partnerships, limited liability companies, and sole proprietorships擁n the
US economy and that a large fraction of flow-through income is subject to
the top two individual income tax rates. These businesses employ 54% of
the private sector work force and pay 44% of federal business income
taxes. The number of workers employed by large flow-through businesses is
also significant: more than 20 million workers are employed by
flow-through businesses with more than 100 employees. (Emphasis added.)
President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn稚 impact 97
percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
aren稚 job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
The businesses that would pay this tax increase are the businesses that
hire millions of workers. Higher taxes on these vital job creators could
force them to cut back on their existing workforce and would certainly
cause them to slow hiring of new workers.
President Obama couches his argument for tax hikes on the rich in terms of
fairness. But it would be anything but fair that millions of unemployed
Americans desperate to go back to work would find it harder to land a job
to provide for their families because of President Obama痴 misguided class
warfare.
There can be no doubt any more that President Obama痴 Taxmageddon tax
increase would devastate jobs."
Irish Mike
Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
prove you're not an idiot.
gpsman
Aug 7, 2012, 9:17:43 AM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 3:07 am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn’t impact 97
g.
http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html
> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama’s Taxmageddon tax
> increase would devastate jobs."
Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
certainty.
How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
create more jobs...?
-----
- gpsman
>
> President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn’t impact 97
> percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
> aren’t job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
> items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
Wow. Some people will apparently believe a n y f u c k i n g t h i n
g.
http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html
> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama’s Taxmageddon tax
> increase would devastate jobs."
Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
certainty.
How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
create more jobs...?
-----
- gpsman
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 9:28:18 AM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 7, 3:07�am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn�t impact 97
>> percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
>> aren�t job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
>> items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
>
>Wow. Some people will apparently believe a n y f u c k i n g t h i n
>g.
>http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html
>
>> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama�s Taxmageddon tax
>> increase would devastate jobs."
>
>Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>certainty.
>
Look at who wrote it.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 7, 3:07�am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn�t impact 97
>> percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
>> aren�t job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
>> items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
>
>Wow. Some people will apparently believe a n y f u c k i n g t h i n
>g.
>http://www.census.gov/econ/smallbus.html
>
>> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama�s Taxmageddon tax
>> increase would devastate jobs."
>
>Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>certainty.
>
Horva...@net.net
Aug 7, 2012, 9:56:20 AM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama�s Taxmageddon tax
>> increase would devastate jobs."
>
>Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>certainty.
national news.
Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>create more jobs...?
that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 10:15:45 AM8/7/12
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John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 10:17:40 AM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 3:07 am, "Irish Mike" <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Ernst and Young: Obama’s Tax Increase Would Kill 710,000 Jobs
>
> Curtis Dubay
>
> July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
>
> "A new study conducted by Ernst and Young proves conclusively that the
> President’s tax increase would be devastating to the economy and jobs.
> Curtis Dubay
>
> July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
>
> "A new study conducted by Ernst and Young proves conclusively that the
>
> The study finds that, if Congress misguidedly adopted President Obama’s
> plan to raise taxes on job creators by allowing the Bush-era tax policies
> to expire for incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for married filers), the
> economy and jobs would suffer terribly:
>
> •Output in the long run would fall by 1.3 percent, or $200 billion, in
> to expire for incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for married filers), the
> economy and jobs would suffer terribly:
>
> today’s economy;
>
> •Employment in the long run would fall by 0.5 percent or, roughly 710,000
> fewer jobs, in today’s economy;
>
> •Capital stock and investment in the long run would fall by 1.4 percent
> and 2.4 percent, respectively; and
>
> •Real after-tax wages would fall by 1.8 percent.
>
>
> There are almost 13 million Americans out of work today. President Obama’s
> tax increase would needlessly add almost three-quarters of a million
> people to that already much too large number. Even those with jobs
> wouldn’t escape the pain of President Obama’s tax increase, as they would
> people to that already much too large number. Even those with jobs
> see their wages suffer.
>
> The report validates Heritage’s argument that President Obama’s tax
> increase plan would badly hurt job creation because it would fall heaviest
> on the most successful businesses that employ workers and pay their taxes
> through the individual income tax (known as flow-through businesses). The
> study reports:
>
> The concern over higher individual tax rates has also been a focus because
> of the prominent role played by flow-through businesses—S corporations,
> on the most successful businesses that employ workers and pay their taxes
> through the individual income tax (known as flow-through businesses). The
> study reports:
>
> The concern over higher individual tax rates has also been a focus because
> partnerships, limited liability companies, and sole proprietorships—in the
> US economy and that a large fraction of flow-through income is subject to
> the top two individual income tax rates. These businesses employ 54% of
> the private sector work force and pay 44% of federal business income
> taxes. The number of workers employed by large flow-through businesses is
> also significant: more than 20 million workers are employed by
> flow-through businesses with more than 100 employees. (Emphasis added.)
>
> President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn’t impact 97
> the top two individual income tax rates. These businesses employ 54% of
> the private sector work force and pay 44% of federal business income
> taxes. The number of workers employed by large flow-through businesses is
> also significant: more than 20 million workers are employed by
> flow-through businesses with more than 100 employees. (Emphasis added.)
>
> percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
> aren’t job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
> items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
>
> The businesses that would pay this tax increase are the businesses that
> hire millions of workers. Higher taxes on these vital job creators could
> force them to cut back on their existing workforce and would certainly
> cause them to slow hiring of new workers.
>
> President Obama couches his argument for tax hikes on the rich in terms of
> fairness. But it would be anything but fair that millions of unemployed
> Americans desperate to go back to work would find it harder to land a job
> to provide for their families because of President Obama’s misguided class
>
> The businesses that would pay this tax increase are the businesses that
> hire millions of workers. Higher taxes on these vital job creators could
> force them to cut back on their existing workforce and would certainly
> cause them to slow hiring of new workers.
>
> President Obama couches his argument for tax hikes on the rich in terms of
> fairness. But it would be anything but fair that millions of unemployed
> Americans desperate to go back to work would find it harder to land a job
> warfare.
>
> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama’s Taxmageddon tax
> increase would devastate jobs."
>
> Irish Mike
>
> Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
> Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
> prove you're not an idiot.
If I had a dime for every so-called study that has predicted that this
>
> Irish Mike
>
> Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
> Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
> prove you're not an idiot.
or that government policy would cost X thousand jobs....
Somebody puts one out every goddamn day. And they're never right.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 10:24:45 AM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
been carrying firearms during worship services.
Horva...@net.net
Aug 7, 2012, 10:37:37 AM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:15:45 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<john...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>On Aug 7, 9:56�am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
>> >> increase would devastate jobs."
>>
>> >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>> >certainty.
>>
>> It was a study done by a government agency. �I saw the same report on
>> national news.
>>
>> Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. �The number one news network.
>>
>> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>> >create more jobs...?
>>
>> You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>> that I once made up. �"If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>>
>
<john...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>On Aug 7, 9:56�am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
>> >> increase would devastate jobs."
>>
>> >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>> >certainty.
>>
>> It was a study done by a government agency. �I saw the same report on
>> national news.
>>
>> Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. �The number one news network.
>>
>> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>> >create more jobs...?
>>
>> You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>> that I once made up. �"If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>>
>
>Ernst & Young is a government agency? Who knew?
They were hired by the government.
Horva...@net.net
Aug 7, 2012, 10:40:18 AM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:17:40 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<john...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>If I had a dime for every so-called study that has predicted that this
>or that government policy would cost X thousand jobs....
>Somebody puts one out every goddamn day. And they're never right.
Think about that when you hear the next report on climate change.
<john...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>If I had a dime for every so-called study that has predicted that this
>or that government policy would cost X thousand jobs....
>Somebody puts one out every goddamn day. And they're never right.
MNMikeW
Aug 7, 2012, 10:40:27 AM8/7/12
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Horva...@net.net wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>>> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama�s Taxmageddon tax
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>>> increase would devastate jobs."
>>
>> Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>> certainty.
>
> It was a study done by a government agency. I saw the same report on
> national news.
>
> Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>
>> How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>> create more jobs...?
>
> You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
> that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>
> Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
>
Ernst and Young is not a government agency.
>>
>> Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>> certainty.
>
> It was a study done by a government agency. I saw the same report on
> national news.
>
> Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>
>> How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>> create more jobs...?
>
> You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
> that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>
> Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
>
MNMikeW
Aug 7, 2012, 10:41:58 AM8/7/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 10:47:32 AM8/7/12
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From bizjournals.com re Ernst & Young tax study:
"The study was commissioned by four business groups that are opposed
to this tax increase, which will go into effect Jan. 1 under current
law. Those groups include the National Federation of Independent
Business, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Independent Community Bankers
of America and the S Corporation Association."
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 10:52:43 AM8/7/12
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victims of anti-Semitism. Brilliant folks over there.
MNMikeW
Aug 7, 2012, 11:25:55 AM8/7/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 11:40:15 AM8/7/12
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From Politico.com
"Fox News host Gregg Jarrett asked a nephew of one of the victims,
"Have there been any prior acts of violence against members of the
temple? Any anti-Semitic acts?"
Hollis2
Aug 7, 2012, 12:01:17 PM8/7/12
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dedicated to Sikhs are for non-violence. In reality, the Sikhs have a
reputation as great warriors.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 11:11:00 AM8/7/12
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> <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
No they weren't. The government doesn't hire private firms to do
economic research.
economic research.
Horva...@net.net
Aug 7, 2012, 12:24:03 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:47:32 -0500, bkn...@conramp.net wrote this
crap:
>
>"The study was commissioned by four business groups that are opposed
>to this tax increase, which will go into effect Jan. 1 under current
>law. Those groups include the National Federation of Independent
>Business, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Independent Community Bankers
>of America and the S Corporation Association."
And you think the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the *National*
Federation of Independent Business are NOT government agencies. All
those people are from the government.
crap:
>
>"The study was commissioned by four business groups that are opposed
>to this tax increase, which will go into effect Jan. 1 under current
>law. Those groups include the National Federation of Independent
>Business, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Independent Community Bankers
>of America and the S Corporation Association."
Federation of Independent Business are NOT government agencies. All
those people are from the government.
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 12:32:56 PM8/7/12
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Horva...@net.net
Aug 7, 2012, 12:34:28 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:40:15 -0500, bkn...@conramp.net wrote this
crap:
>>>
acts?
crap:
>>>
>>>>> A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
>>>>> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
>>>>> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
>>>>> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
>>>>> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
>>>>> been carrying firearms during worship services.
>>>>>
>>>> Who was that? I thought everyone in Wisc. was armed. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
>>> victims of anti-Semitism. Brilliant folks over there.
>>>
>>Again, who?
>
>It wasn't me who first posted this so I googled it.
>
>From Politico.com
>
>"Fox News host Gregg Jarrett asked a nephew of one of the victims,
>"Have there been any prior acts of violence against members of the
>temple? Any anti-Semitic acts?"
How can that possibly mean that Sikhs were victims of anti-Semitic
>>>>> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
>>>>> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
>>>>> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
>>>>> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
>>>>> been carrying firearms during worship services.
>>>>>
>>>> Who was that? I thought everyone in Wisc. was armed. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
>>> victims of anti-Semitism. Brilliant folks over there.
>>>
>>Again, who?
>
>It wasn't me who first posted this so I googled it.
>
>From Politico.com
>
>"Fox News host Gregg Jarrett asked a nephew of one of the victims,
>"Have there been any prior acts of violence against members of the
>temple? Any anti-Semitic acts?"
acts?
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 12:37:23 PM8/7/12
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understand it.
Irish Mike
Aug 7, 2012, 12:38:39 PM8/7/12
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failed economic policies and lack of leadership. Which is why they are
working so hard to encourage class warfare in this country.
Irish Mike
"I will make no excuses". Presidential candidate Barak Obama. LOL. I'm
sorry, but it's hard to type that broken campaign promise and not laugh
out loud. I mean, seriously, is there any one, or any thing, that Obama
has not blamed for his miserable record, failed economic policies and lack
of leadership?
MNMikeW
Aug 7, 2012, 12:43:43 PM8/7/12
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Irish Mike
Aug 7, 2012, 12:45:48 PM8/7/12
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clueless idiot on the economy. Let me try to change the subject by
attacking Fox News. Nice try bucko, but no one is buying it. Now stick
your head back in the Obama kool aid bucket.
Irish Mike
Irish Mike
Aug 7, 2012, 12:50:47 PM8/7/12
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economy. Let me attack the study and just say that studies are "never
right". Sorry bucko, but that dog won't hunt. Now stick your head back
in that Obama kool aid bucket.
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 12:56:43 PM8/7/12
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Irish Mike
Aug 7, 2012, 12:53:21 PM8/7/12
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people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
cookies.
Irish Mike
"It's not God bless America, it's God damn America!" Jeremiah Wright,
Obama's mentor and spiritual leader for more than 20 years.
Howard Brazee
Aug 7, 2012, 1:31:52 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:52:43 -0500, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
>victims of anti-Semitism. Brilliant folks over there.
It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
>victims of anti-Semitism. Brilliant folks over there.
Islam is a Semite religion. So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
Semitic, it can kind of apply.
But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
look. You know, towel-heads with long beards.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Howard Brazee
Aug 7, 2012, 1:34:46 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0700, "Irish Mike"
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>Global warming is the biggest bullshit scam ever pulled on the American
>people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
>cookies.
Upon further study, they are claiming that the first studies
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>Global warming is the biggest bullshit scam ever pulled on the American
>people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
>cookies.
understated the problem. And early scientists who were skeptical
become converted.
Which doesn't make them right. But the glory is in proving the
crowd wrong.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 2:51:40 PM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 12:24 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:47:32 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote this
I know for a fact that they are not govt. agencies, as does anyone
with even the most basic knowledge of government.
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:47:32 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote this
with even the most basic knowledge of government.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 2:59:15 PM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 1:31 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 2:54:16 PM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 12:34 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:40:15 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote this
What? Is that a serious question?
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:40:15 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote this
la...@pivotforpower.com
Aug 7, 2012, 3:48:25 PM8/7/12
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On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 7:24:45 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
There had been a recent history of nutcases mistaking Sikhs for Muslims and attacking them because they attacked the World Trade Center and much else. So we can either educate all the nutcases that are misinformed, or we can arm the Sikhs. I think it might be easier to get them big guns and target training.
Larry
> On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>
> > <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >
>
>
> > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>
> > <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >
>
> > >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
>
> > >> increase would devastate jobs."
>
> >
>
>
> > >> increase would devastate jobs."
>
> >
>
> > >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
>
> > >certainty.
>
> >
>
> > It was a study done by a government agency. I saw the same report on
>
> > national news.
>
> >
>
> > Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>
> >
>
> > >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>
> > >create more jobs...?
>
> >
>
> > You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>
> > that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>
> >
>
>
> > >certainty.
>
> >
>
> > It was a study done by a government agency. I saw the same report on
>
> > national news.
>
> >
>
> > Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>
> >
>
> > >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>
> > >create more jobs...?
>
> >
>
> > You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>
> > that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>
> >
>
> > Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
>
> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
>
> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
>
> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
>
> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
>
> been carrying firearms during worship services.
Good argument-- until Rosey O'Donnell and many other wildly liberal anti-gun people admitted that although they personally don't walk around with a weapon, their bodyguards are definitely packing.
>
> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
>
> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
>
> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
>
> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
>
> been carrying firearms during worship services.
There had been a recent history of nutcases mistaking Sikhs for Muslims and attacking them because they attacked the World Trade Center and much else. So we can either educate all the nutcases that are misinformed, or we can arm the Sikhs. I think it might be easier to get them big guns and target training.
Larry
Howard Brazee
Aug 7, 2012, 4:16:44 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>> Islam is a Semite religion. So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
>> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>>
>> But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
>> wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
>> look. You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>>
>> --
>> "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
>> than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
>> to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>>
>> - James Madison
>
>That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
I said "kind of apply". Arabs are Semites.
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>> Islam is a Semite religion. So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
>> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>>
>> But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
>> wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
>> look. You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>>
>> --
>> "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
>> than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
>> to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>>
>> - James Madison
>
>That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 4:22:03 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:16:44 -0600, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
><john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>>> Islam is a Semite religion. � So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
>>> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>>>
>>> But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
>>> wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
>>> look. � You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>>>
>>> --
wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
><john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>>> Islam is a Semite religion. � So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
>>> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>>>
>>> But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
>>> wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
>>> look. � You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>>>
>>> --
>>That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
>
>I said "kind of apply". Arabs are Semites.
There's no "kind of" Howard. Anti-Semitism is anti-Jewish period.
>
>I said "kind of apply". Arabs are Semites.
John B.
Aug 7, 2012, 4:50:50 PM8/7/12
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On Aug 7, 4:16 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
> >> Islam is a Semite religion. So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
> >> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>
> >> But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
> >> wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
> >> look. You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>
> >> --
> >> "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> >> than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> >> to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>
> >> - James Madison
>
> >That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
>
> I said "kind of apply". Arabs are Semites.
>
and Sikhs are not Arabs.
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
> >> Islam is a Semite religion. So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
> >> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>
> >> But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
> >> wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
> >> look. You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>
> >> --
> >> "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> >> than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> >> to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>
> >> - James Madison
>
> >That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
>
> I said "kind of apply". Arabs are Semites.
>
Howard Brazee
Aug 7, 2012, 6:27:40 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:50:50 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I said "kind of apply". � Arabs are Semites.
>>
>and Sikhs are not Arabs.
<john...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I said "kind of apply". � Arabs are Semites.
>>
>and Sikhs are not Arabs.
And I also said:
> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
> Islam is a Semite religion. � So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
Attacks like that aren't rational. People find weird ways to hate.
> It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
> Islam is a Semite religion. � So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
> Semitic, it can kind of apply.
BAR
Aug 7, 2012, 7:06:21 PM8/7/12
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In article <6ak2281n61ko35le8...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0700, "Irish Mike"
> <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Global warming is the biggest bullshit scam ever pulled on the American
> >people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
> >cookies.
>
>
> Upon further study, they are claiming that the first studies
> understated the problem. And early scientists who were skeptical
> become converted.
>
> Which doesn't make them right. But the glory is in proving the
> crowd wrong.
They "converted" when their funding decreased.
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0700, "Irish Mike"
> <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Global warming is the biggest bullshit scam ever pulled on the American
> >people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
> >cookies.
>
>
> Upon further study, they are claiming that the first studies
> understated the problem. And early scientists who were skeptical
> become converted.
>
> Which doesn't make them right. But the glory is in proving the
> crowd wrong.
BAR
Aug 7, 2012, 7:18:01 PM8/7/12
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In article <a9a8f17d-1eac-4900-819e-3b337266f485
@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
> > national news.
> >
> > Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. ï¿œThe number one news network.
> >
> > Vote for Romney. ï¿œRepeal the nightmares.
times. The Sikh's were armed.
@e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Aug 7, 9:56ï¿œam, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> > <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
> >
> > >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
> > >> increase would devastate jobs."
> >
> > >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
> > >certainty.
> >
> > It was a study done by a government agency. ï¿œI saw the same report on
> On Aug 7, 9:56ï¿œam, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> > <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
> >
> > >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
> > >> increase would devastate jobs."
> >
> > >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
> > >certainty.
> >
> > national news.
> >
> > Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. ï¿œThe number one news network.
> >
> > >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> > >create more jobs...?
> >
> > You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
> > that I once made up. ￜ"If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
> > >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> > >create more jobs...?
> >
> > You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
> >
> > Vote for Romney. ï¿œRepeal the nightmares.
>
> A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
> been carrying firearms during worship services.
The Sikh religion requires that the Sikh's carry a Kirpan (knife) at all
> A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
> been carrying firearms during worship services.
times. The Sikh's were armed.
William Clark
Aug 7, 2012, 7:28:04 PM8/7/12
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Posted from my iPhone
BAR
Aug 7, 2012, 8:09:43 PM8/7/12
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In article <23fed7a0-cc9d-4c14-94cb-53066e561ae3
@r7g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
Are Sikh's required to be from the Punjab and Kashmir regions?
@r7g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
BAR
Aug 7, 2012, 8:12:23 PM8/7/12
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In article <869fa81d-9adf-41aa-ab0e-653fcf355157
@c20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
@c20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Aug 7, 1:31ï¿œpm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:52:43 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> > >The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
> > >victims of anti-Semitism. ï¿œBrilliant folks over there.
> On Aug 7, 1:31ï¿œpm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:52:43 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> > >The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
> >
> > It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
> > Islam is a Semite religion. ￜ So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
> > It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
> > Semitic, it can kind of apply.
> >
> > But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
> > wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
> > look. ￜ You know, towel-heads with long beards.
> >
> > But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
> > wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
> >
> > --
> > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> > to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
> >
> > - James Madison
>
> That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
Quite a few Indians are proud of their Aryan heritage.
> > --
> > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> > to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
> >
> > - James Madison
>
> That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
BAR
Aug 7, 2012, 8:16:13 PM8/7/12
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In article <462878859366074854.302683clark-nospammatsceng.ohio-
stat...@news.eternal-september.org>, cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu says...
Is that how the begat their empire? Killing in the name of peace?
stat...@news.eternal-september.org>, cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu says...
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 7, 2012, 8:17:36 PM8/7/12
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 20:12:23 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>In article <869fa81d-9adf-41aa-ab0e-653fcf355157
>@c20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>>
>In article <869fa81d-9adf-41aa-ab0e-653fcf355157
>@c20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Aug 7, 1:31�pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:52:43 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> > >The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
>> > >victims of anti-Semitism. �Brilliant folks over there.
>> > On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:52:43 -0500, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>> > >The real laugh was that the FOX "journalist" thought that Sikhs are
>> >
>> > It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>> > Islam is a Semite religion. � So even though Sikhs aren't Muslim, nor
>> > It's weird, but Sikhs *do* get some mistaken anti-Muslim grief, and
>> > Semitic, it can kind of apply.
>> >
>> > But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
>> > wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
>> > look. � You know, towel-heads with long beards.
>> >
>> > But I suspect a major part of the reason Sikhs get so much grief world
>> > wide is that they don't *look* the way racists think people should
>> >
>> > --
>> > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
>> > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
>> > to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>> >
>> > - James Madison
>>
>> That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
>
>Quite a few Indians are proud of their Aryan heritage.
The non sequitur master speaks again. ROTFL
>> > --
>> > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
>> > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
>> > to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>> >
>> > - James Madison
>>
>> That is utterly ridiculous. Anti-Semitic means anti-Jewish.
>
>Quite a few Indians are proud of their Aryan heritage.
Don Kirkman
Aug 8, 2012, 1:24:59 AM8/8/12
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Don Kirkman
Aug 8, 2012, 1:24:59 AM8/8/12
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Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
John B.
Aug 8, 2012, 2:43:17 PM8/8/12
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On Aug 8, 1:24 am, Don Kirkman <dons...@charter.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:06:21 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >In article <6ak2281n61ko35le8kl51ous853csin...@4ax.com>,
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:06:21 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >how...@brazee.net says...
>
> >> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0700, "Irish Mike"
> >> <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >Global warming is the biggest bullshit scam ever pulled on the American
> >> >people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
> >> >cookies.
>
> >> Upon further study, they are claiming that the first studies
> >> understated the problem. And early scientists who were skeptical
> >> become converted.
>
> >> Which doesn't make them right. But the glory is in proving the
> >> crowd wrong.
>
> >They "converted" when their funding decreased.
>
> And of course you can back that assertion up with a site, I'm sure.
> --
> Don Kirkman
> dons...@charter.net
>
> >> On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:53:21 -0700, "Irish Mike"
> >> <ad7c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >Global warming is the biggest bullshit scam ever pulled on the American
> >> >people. It makes Bernie Madoff look like a Girl Scout selling over priced
> >> >cookies.
>
> >> Upon further study, they are claiming that the first studies
> >> understated the problem. And early scientists who were skeptical
> >> become converted.
>
> >> Which doesn't make them right. But the glory is in proving the
> >> crowd wrong.
>
> >They "converted" when their funding decreased.
>
> And of course you can back that assertion up with a site, I'm sure.
> --
> Don Kirkman
there's a first time for everything.
John B.
Aug 8, 2012, 2:45:41 PM8/8/12
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> @e5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, johnb...@gmail.com says...
> > > national news.
>
> > > Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>
> > > Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
before, so why should this time be different?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> > > <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> > > >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
> > > >> increase would devastate jobs."
>
> > > >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
> > > >certainty.
>
> > > It was a study done by a government agency. I saw the same report on
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> > > <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> > > >> There can be no doubt any more that President Obama s Taxmageddon tax
> > > >> increase would devastate jobs."
>
> > > >Only an idiot would purport to predict such a thing with absolute
> > > >certainty.
>
> > > national news.
>
> > > Bernie Goldberg reported it on Fox News. The number one news network.
>
> > > >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> > > >create more jobs...?
>
> > > You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
> > > that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
> > > >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> > > >create more jobs...?
>
> > > You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>
> > > Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
>
> > A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
> > of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
> > there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
> > Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
> > words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
> > been carrying firearms during worship services.
>
> The Sikh religion requires that the Sikh's carry a Kirpan (knife) at all
> times. The Sikh's were armed.
I would ask you for a cite for that, but you've never cited anything
> > A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
> > of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
> > there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
> > Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
> > words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
> > been carrying firearms during worship services.
>
> The Sikh religion requires that the Sikh's carry a Kirpan (knife) at all
> times. The Sikh's were armed.
before, so why should this time be different?
MNMikeW
Aug 8, 2012, 4:04:05 PM8/8/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 8, 2012, 4:07:20 PM8/8/12
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what a cross is to a Christian. It's only to be used in self defense
or to defend another person. Generally worn by the more dedicated
religious Sikhs. However, Sikhs have to follow local laws regarding
concealed weapons, etc.
Horva...@net.net
Aug 8, 2012, 7:37:46 PM8/8/12
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:04:05 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote
this crap:
Kirpan
Example of a kirpan. Kirpan of various sizes are worn by all Baptized
Sikhs (Khalsa) at all times
Type
Sword/Dagger
Place of origin
India
The kirpan (/k??r'p??n/; Punjabi: ?????? kirpan) is a ceremonial sword
or dagger carried by Sikhs. It is a religious commandment given by
Guru Gobind Singh (the tenth Guru of Sikhism) at the Baisakhi Amrit
Sanchar (a holy religious ceremony that formally baptizes a Sikh) in
AD 1699, all baptised Sikhs (Khalsa) must wear a kirpan at all
times.[citation needed]. The word Kirpan (Gurmukhi: ?????? ) has two
roots - the first root is: Kirpa (????? ) which means "Mercy, grace,
compassion, kindness" and the second root is Aan (?? ) which in turn
means "Honor, grace, dignity". So together the word stands for "the
dignity and honor of compassion, kindness and mercy"
It was one of the five Kakars or 5K's which displayed commitment to
the Hukam[citation needed].
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm impressed. Somebody actually looked something up. Personally, I
think everyone should carry a ball bat or a hockey stick.
Can we get back to golf? It's almost time for my nightcap at the VFW.
this crap:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>>>>> that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>>>
>>>
>>>>> You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese saying
>>>>> that I once made up. "If the pie gets bigger, more people can eat."
>>>
>>>> A "journalist" at your number one news network asked a relative of one
>>>> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
>>>> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
>>>> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
>>>> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
>>>> been carrying firearms during worship services.
>>>
>>> The Sikh religion requires that the Sikh's carry a Kirpan (knife) at all
>>> times. The Sikh's were armed.
>>
>> I would ask you for a cite for that, but you've never cited anything
>> before, so why should this time be different?
>>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
Jump to: navigation, search
>>>> of the Sikhs who had been killed in Wisconsin if the Sikh community
>>>> there had ever been the victim of "anti-semitic" violence before.
>>>> Another one said it was too bad the Sikhs weren't armed. In other
>>>> words, members of a sect that is dedicated to non-violence should have
>>>> been carrying firearms during worship services.
>>>
>>> The Sikh religion requires that the Sikh's carry a Kirpan (knife) at all
>>> times. The Sikh's were armed.
>>
>> I would ask you for a cite for that, but you've never cited anything
>> before, so why should this time be different?
>>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
Kirpan
Example of a kirpan. Kirpan of various sizes are worn by all Baptized
Sikhs (Khalsa) at all times
Type
Sword/Dagger
Place of origin
India
The kirpan (/k??r'p??n/; Punjabi: ?????? kirpan) is a ceremonial sword
or dagger carried by Sikhs. It is a religious commandment given by
Guru Gobind Singh (the tenth Guru of Sikhism) at the Baisakhi Amrit
Sanchar (a holy religious ceremony that formally baptizes a Sikh) in
AD 1699, all baptised Sikhs (Khalsa) must wear a kirpan at all
times.[citation needed]. The word Kirpan (Gurmukhi: ?????? ) has two
roots - the first root is: Kirpa (????? ) which means "Mercy, grace,
compassion, kindness" and the second root is Aan (?? ) which in turn
means "Honor, grace, dignity". So together the word stands for "the
dignity and honor of compassion, kindness and mercy"
It was one of the five Kakars or 5K's which displayed commitment to
the Hukam[citation needed].
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm impressed. Somebody actually looked something up. Personally, I
think everyone should carry a ball bat or a hockey stick.
Can we get back to golf? It's almost time for my nightcap at the VFW.
BAR
Aug 8, 2012, 7:53:06 PM8/8/12
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In article <a8fv1l...@mid.individual.net>, mnmi...@aol.com says...
I posses a Kris, from a high muckity-muck in the Federation of Malaya.
The thing is scary when you take it out of the scabbard.
The thing is scary when you take it out of the scabbard.
Horva...@net.net
Aug 9, 2012, 7:09:48 AM8/9/12
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:53:06 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote this
crap:
>I posses a Kris, from a high muckity-muck in the Federation of Malaya.
>The thing is scary when you take it out of the scabbard.
I'm not scared of it. It's nothing compared to my pet python, made by
Colt.
crap:
>I posses a Kris, from a high muckity-muck in the Federation of Malaya.
>The thing is scary when you take it out of the scabbard.
Colt.
Don Kirkman
Aug 9, 2012, 12:52:29 PM8/9/12
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gpsman
Aug 9, 2012, 6:50:59 PM8/9/12
to
On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> >create more jobs...?
>
> You're so smart, you figger it out.
No, seriously, how much more...?
> >create more jobs...?
>
> You're so smart, you figger it out.
-----
- gpsman
Horva...@net.net
Aug 9, 2012, 7:50:40 PM8/9/12
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>On Aug 7, 9:56�am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>> >create more jobs...?
>>
>> You're so smart, you figger it out.
>
>No, seriously, how much more...?
> -----
>
>- gpsman
You cut out the rest of my post. There's an ancient Chinese proverb
>On Aug 7, 9:56�am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
>> >create more jobs...?
>>
>> You're so smart, you figger it out.
>
>No, seriously, how much more...?
> -----
>
>- gpsman
that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 9, 2012, 8:04:40 PM8/9/12
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Don Kirkman
Aug 10, 2012, 1:52:13 AM8/10/12
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 00:07:16 -0700, "Irish Mike"
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>Ernst and Young: Obama’s Tax Increase Would Kill 710,000 Jobs
>
>Curtis Dubay
>
>July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
Part of the Heritage Foundation crew.
>"A new study conducted by Ernst and Young proves conclusively that the
>President’s tax increase would be devastating to the economy and jobs.
>
>The study finds that, if Congress misguidedly adopted President Obama’s
>plan to raise taxes on job creators by allowing the Bush-era tax policies
>to expire for incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for married filers), the
>economy and jobs would suffer terribly:
>
> •Output in the long run would fall by 1.3 percent, or $200 billion, in
>today’s economy;
>
> •Employment in the long run would fall by 0.5 percent or, roughly 710,000
>fewer jobs, in today’s economy;
>
>•Capital stock and investment in the long run would fall by 1.4 percent
>and 2.4 percent, respectively; and
>
> •Real after-tax wages would fall by 1.8 percent.
>
>There are almost 13 million Americans out of work today. President Obama’s
>tax increase would needlessly add almost three-quarters of a million
>people to that already much too large number. Even those with jobs
>wouldn’t escape the pain of President Obama’s tax increase, as they would
>see their wages suffer.
>
>The report validates Heritage’s argument that President Obama’s tax
>increase plan would badly hurt job creation because it would fall heaviest
>on the most successful businesses that employ workers and pay their taxes
>through the individual income tax (known as flow-through businesses). The
>study reports:
>
>The concern over higher individual tax rates has also been a focus because
>of the prominent role played by flow-through businesses—S corporations,
>partnerships, limited liability companies, and sole proprietorships—in the
>US economy and that a large fraction of flow-through income is subject to
>the top two individual income tax rates. These businesses employ 54% of
>the private sector work force and pay 44% of federal business income
>taxes. The number of workers employed by large flow-through businesses is
>also significant: more than 20 million workers are employed by
>flow-through businesses with more than 100 employees. (Emphasis added.)
>
>President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn’t impact 97
>percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
>aren’t job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
>items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
>
>The businesses that would pay this tax increase are the businesses that
>hire millions of workers. Higher taxes on these vital job creators could
>force them to cut back on their existing workforce and would certainly
>cause them to slow hiring of new workers.
>
>President Obama couches his argument for tax hikes on the rich in terms of
>fairness. But it would be anything but fair that millions of unemployed
>Americans desperate to go back to work would find it harder to land a job
>to provide for their families because of President Obama’s misguided class
>warfare.
>
>Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
>Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
>prove you're not an idiot.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>Ernst and Young: Obama’s Tax Increase Would Kill 710,000 Jobs
>
>Curtis Dubay
>
>July 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
Part of the Heritage Foundation crew.
>"A new study conducted by Ernst and Young proves conclusively that the
>President’s tax increase would be devastating to the economy and jobs.
>
>The study finds that, if Congress misguidedly adopted President Obama’s
>plan to raise taxes on job creators by allowing the Bush-era tax policies
>to expire for incomes over $200,000 ($250,000 for married filers), the
>economy and jobs would suffer terribly:
>
> •Output in the long run would fall by 1.3 percent, or $200 billion, in
>today’s economy;
>
> •Employment in the long run would fall by 0.5 percent or, roughly 710,000
>fewer jobs, in today’s economy;
>
>•Capital stock and investment in the long run would fall by 1.4 percent
>and 2.4 percent, respectively; and
>
> •Real after-tax wages would fall by 1.8 percent.
>
>There are almost 13 million Americans out of work today. President Obama’s
>tax increase would needlessly add almost three-quarters of a million
>people to that already much too large number. Even those with jobs
>wouldn’t escape the pain of President Obama’s tax increase, as they would
>see their wages suffer.
>
>The report validates Heritage’s argument that President Obama’s tax
>increase plan would badly hurt job creation because it would fall heaviest
>on the most successful businesses that employ workers and pay their taxes
>through the individual income tax (known as flow-through businesses). The
>study reports:
>
>The concern over higher individual tax rates has also been a focus because
>of the prominent role played by flow-through businesses—S corporations,
>partnerships, limited liability companies, and sole proprietorships—in the
>US economy and that a large fraction of flow-through income is subject to
>the top two individual income tax rates. These businesses employ 54% of
>the private sector work force and pay 44% of federal business income
>taxes. The number of workers employed by large flow-through businesses is
>also significant: more than 20 million workers are employed by
>flow-through businesses with more than 100 employees. (Emphasis added.)
>
>President Obama is fond of saying his tax increase wouldn’t impact 97
>percent of small businesses. But those 97 percent of small businesses
>aren’t job creators. They range from people in their basements selling
>items on e-Bay to lawyers who practice out of their homes.
>
>The businesses that would pay this tax increase are the businesses that
>hire millions of workers. Higher taxes on these vital job creators could
>force them to cut back on their existing workforce and would certainly
>cause them to slow hiring of new workers.
>
>President Obama couches his argument for tax hikes on the rich in terms of
>fairness. But it would be anything but fair that millions of unemployed
>Americans desperate to go back to work would find it harder to land a job
>to provide for their families because of President Obama’s misguided class
>warfare.
>
>There can be no doubt any more that President Obama’s Taxmageddon tax
>increase would devastate jobs."
>
>Irish Mike
>There can be no doubt any more that President Obama’s Taxmageddon tax
>increase would devastate jobs."
>
>
>Obama has been an unmitigated disaster for this country. If you voted for
>Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, vote against him in 2012 to
>prove you're not an idiot.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
gpsman
Aug 10, 2012, 9:52:48 AM8/10/12
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On Aug 9, 7:50 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> >> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> >> >create more jobs...?
>
> >> You're so smart, you figger it out.
>
> >No, seriously, how much more...?
>
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:50:59 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >On Aug 7, 9:56 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> >> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >> >How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to need to
> >> >create more jobs...?
>
> >> You're so smart, you figger it out.
>
> >No, seriously, how much more...?
>
> You cut out the rest of my post. There's an ancient Chinese proverb
> that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
> bigger, more people can eat."
It seems neither you or anyone of your ilk has a rational response...
> that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
> bigger, more people can eat."
Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
-----
- gpsman
Horva...@net.net
Aug 10, 2012, 10:18:10 AM8/10/12
to
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>>
>Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
Nope. I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
took ROTC and was trained by the military. I own a mansion and a
yacht. You don't. I out rank you by lightyears. Drop and give me
twenty.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>>
>> You cut out the rest of my post. There's an ancient Chinese proverb
>> that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
>> bigger, more people can eat."
>
>It seems neither you or anyone of your ilk has a rational response...
I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>> that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
>> bigger, more people can eat."
>
>It seems neither you or anyone of your ilk has a rational response...
>Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
took ROTC and was trained by the military. I own a mansion and a
yacht. You don't. I out rank you by lightyears. Drop and give me
twenty.
gpsman
Aug 10, 2012, 10:44:11 AM8/10/12
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On Aug 10, 10:18 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>
>
> >> You cut out the rest of my post. There's an ancient Chinese proverb
> >> that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
> >> bigger, more people can eat."
>
> >It seems neither you or anyone of your ilk has a rational response...
>
> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>
>
> >> You cut out the rest of my post. There's an ancient Chinese proverb
> >> that I once made up. It goes a little like this: "When the pie gets
> >> bigger, more people can eat."
>
> >It seems neither you or anyone of your ilk has a rational response...
>
> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>
> Nope.
> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
> I own a mansion and a
> yacht.
wealth posting to Usenet.
-----
- gpsman
Horva...@net.net
Aug 10, 2012, 12:11:03 PM8/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
you?
>> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>>
>> Nope.
>
>Well, there's your problem.
The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
>> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
>> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
>
>Few things seem less likely. I had a guy in my squad with a GT of
>67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
>
>> I own a mansion and a
>> yacht.
>
>Sure. You and Baker are morons, but managed to accumulate great
>wealth posting to Usenet.
I never made any money off Usenet. Your lies will catch up with you.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>se...
>>
>> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>
>Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
I'm not a man of the cloth but I do go to church every Sunday. Do
>>
>> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>
>Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
you?
>> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>>
>> Nope.
>
>Well, there's your problem.
>> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
>> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
>
>Few things seem less likely. I had a guy in my squad with a GT of
>67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
>
>> I own a mansion and a
>> yacht.
>
>Sure. You and Baker are morons, but managed to accumulate great
>wealth posting to Usenet.
John B.
Aug 10, 2012, 11:57:57 AM8/10/12
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Horva...@net.net
Aug 10, 2012, 12:53:21 PM8/10/12
to
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT), "John B."
<john...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >No, seriously, how much more...?
>> > -----
Wow, are you lost.
<john...@gmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >No, seriously, how much more...?
>> > -----
>> You cut out the rest of my post. �There's an ancient Chinese proverb
>> that I once made up. �It goes a little like this: �"When the pie gets
>> bigger, more people can eat."
>>
>
>Thank you, Marie Antoinette.
>> that I once made up. �It goes a little like this: �"When the pie gets
>> bigger, more people can eat."
>>
>
Wow, are you lost.
gpsman
Aug 10, 2012, 1:06:11 PM8/10/12
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On Aug 10, 12:11 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
>
> >> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>
> >Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
>
> I'm not a man of the cloth
So... you're ignorant of the common idiom "of the whole cloth" and are
>
> >> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>
> >Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
>
> I'm not a man of the cloth
unable to parse the meaning from context...
Or are you simply being dishonest...?
> but I do go to church every Sunday.
You don't purport to be Christian, I hope. Why don't you sell your
mansion and yacht and devote the proceeds to helping the poor per Luke
12:33?
> Do
> you?
Irrelevant, of course.
> >> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>
> >> Nope.
>
> >Well, there's your problem.
>
> The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
you know but admit you have have never bothered to examine how you
know it.
> >> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
> >> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
>
> >Few things seem less likely. I had a guy in my squad with a GT of
> >67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
>
> >> I own a mansion and a
> >> yacht.
>
> >Sure. You and Baker are morons, but managed to accumulate great
> >wealth posting to Usenet.
>
> I never made any money off Usenet. Your lies will catch up with you.
when questioned.
----
- gpsman
bkn...@conramp.net
Aug 10, 2012, 2:22:17 PM8/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:11:03 -0400, Horva...@net.net wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
><gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>>se...
>>>
>>> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>>
>>Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
>
>I'm not a man of the cloth but I do go to church every Sunday. Do
>you?
>
>>> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>Well, there's your problem.
>
>The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
Step away from that mirror. Ugh!
>On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
><gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>>se...
>>>
>>> I thought it was rational. What do you think is rational?
>>
>>Something other than what you invent of the whole cloth.
>
>I'm not a man of the cloth but I do go to church every Sunday. Do
>you?
>
>>> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>>Well, there's your problem.
>
>The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
Horva...@net.net
Aug 11, 2012, 7:36:06 AM8/11/12
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
priest thanking me for the generous donation I gave to the church at
Christmas. I gave more to the church with one check than you gave in
your entire lifetime.
>> Do
>> you?
>
>Irrelevant, of course.
Then you don't go to church.
You probably never lifted a finger to help the poor.
>> >> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>>
>> >> Nope.
>>
>> >Well, there's your problem.
>>
>> The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
>
>Maybe it only seems like crap because it conflicts with what you think
>you know but admit you have have never bothered to examine how you
>know it.
Who cares?
>> >> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
>> >> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
>>
>> >Few things seem less likely. I had a guy in my squad with a GT of
>> >67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
>>
>> >> I own a mansion and a
>> >> yacht.
>>
>> >Sure. You and Baker are morons, but managed to accumulate great
>> >wealth posting to Usenet.
>>
>> I never made any money off Usenet. Your lies will catch up with you.
>
>It's funny how the smartest guys so often resort to just acting stupid
>when questioned.
And that makes you a college professor? Because you think you know
something? When I'm questioned I say the truth not some idiot
opinions.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>Or are you simply being dishonest...?
>
>> but I do go to church every Sunday.
>
>To practice being dishonest...?
>
>You don't purport to be Christian, I hope. Why don't you sell your
>mansion and yacht and devote the proceeds to helping the poor per Luke
>12:33?
I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic. I have a letter from my
>
>> but I do go to church every Sunday.
>
>To practice being dishonest...?
>
>You don't purport to be Christian, I hope. Why don't you sell your
>mansion and yacht and devote the proceeds to helping the poor per Luke
>12:33?
priest thanking me for the generous donation I gave to the church at
Christmas. I gave more to the church with one check than you gave in
your entire lifetime.
>> Do
>> you?
>
>Irrelevant, of course.
You probably never lifted a finger to help the poor.
>> >> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>>
>> >> Nope.
>>
>> >Well, there's your problem.
>>
>> The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
>
>Maybe it only seems like crap because it conflicts with what you think
>you know but admit you have have never bothered to examine how you
>know it.
>> >> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
>> >> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
>>
>> >Few things seem less likely. I had a guy in my squad with a GT of
>> >67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
>>
>> >> I own a mansion and a
>> >> yacht.
>>
>> >Sure. You and Baker are morons, but managed to accumulate great
>> >wealth posting to Usenet.
>>
>> I never made any money off Usenet. Your lies will catch up with you.
>
>It's funny how the smartest guys so often resort to just acting stupid
>when questioned.
something? When I'm questioned I say the truth not some idiot
opinions.
gpsman
Aug 11, 2012, 9:08:58 AM8/11/12
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On Aug 11, 7:36 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >Or are you simply being dishonest...?
>
> >> but I do go to church every Sunday.
>
> >To practice being dishonest...?
>
> >You don't purport to be Christian, I hope. Why don't you sell your
> >mansion and yacht and devote the proceeds to helping the poor per Luke
> >12:33?
>
> I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic.
So you believe you can lie your ass off and receive the forgiveness of
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >Or are you simply being dishonest...?
>
> >> but I do go to church every Sunday.
>
> >To practice being dishonest...?
>
> >You don't purport to be Christian, I hope. Why don't you sell your
> >mansion and yacht and devote the proceeds to helping the poor per Luke
> >12:33?
>
> I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic.
God from a man by reciting a few Hail Marys.
> I have a letter from my
> priest thanking me for the generous donation I gave to the church at
> Christmas. I gave more to the church with one check than you gave in
> your entire lifetime.
of the Bible, and neither does the leadership of Catholicism. Few
things disgust me like the huge palaces Catholics build in which to
practice hypocrisy.
> >> Do
> >> you?
>
> >Irrelevant, of course.
>
> Then you don't go to church.
>
> You probably never lifted a finger to help the poor.
inability to understand "of the whole cloth". Are you familiar with
the very common phrase, or are you a liar?
> >> >> >Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?
>
> >> >> Nope.
>
> >> >Well, there's your problem.
>
> >> The only problem I see is the crap in front of me.
>
> >Maybe it only seems like crap because it conflicts with what you think
> >you know but admit you have have never bothered to examine how you
> >know it.
>
> Who cares?
> >> >> I'm a retired military officer. I went to private schools,
> >> >> took ROTC and was trained by the military.
>
> >> >Few things seem less likely. I had a guy in my squad with a GT of
> >> >67. He was stupid, but he could answer simple questions.
>
> >> >> I own a mansion and a
> >> >> yacht.
>
> >> >Sure. You and Baker are morons, but managed to accumulate great
> >> >wealth posting to Usenet.
>
> >> I never made any money off Usenet. Your lies will catch up with you.
>
> >It's funny how the smartest guys so often resort to just acting stupid
> >when questioned.
>
> And that makes you a college professor? Because you think you know
> something? When I'm questioned I say the truth not some idiot
> opinions.
know what you think you know so it is impossible for you to have
reconciled what you believe with "truth". You think truth is whatever
you believe, and you never seek the truth.
For some reason you're hiding from the truth.
You use religion as a red herring to avoid the question that reveals
the truth behind the mountain of shit you believe and refuse to
examine: "How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to
need to create more jobs...?"
> Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.
How did the very rich convince you to be their faux religious and real
ignorant-by-choice shill...?
Does the Bible describe a special place for souls such as yours that
is not hell...?
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gpsman
Horva...@net.net
Aug 11, 2012, 9:58:58 AM8/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 06:08:58 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>> I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic.
>
>So you believe you can lie your ass off and receive the forgiveness of
>God from a man by reciting a few Hail Marys.
Where have I ever told a lie?
>
>For some reason you're hiding from the truth.
>
>You use religion as a red herring to avoid the question that reveals
>the truth behind the mountain of shit you believe and refuse to
>examine: "How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to
>need to create more jobs...?"
I already explained that there is an ancient Chinese proverb that I
once made up. It goes a little something like this, "If the pie gets
>Does the Bible describe a special place for souls such as yours that
>is not hell...?
Yup. It's heaven.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>> I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic.
>
>So you believe you can lie your ass off and receive the forgiveness of
>God from a man by reciting a few Hail Marys.
>
>For some reason you're hiding from the truth.
>
>You use religion as a red herring to avoid the question that reveals
>the truth behind the mountain of shit you believe and refuse to
>examine: "How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to
>need to create more jobs...?"
once made up. It goes a little something like this, "If the pie gets
bigger, more people can eat."
>
>
>How did the very rich convince you to be their faux religious and real
>ignorant-by-choice shill...?
You sound like a ranting lunatic.
>ignorant-by-choice shill...?
>Does the Bible describe a special place for souls such as yours that
>is not hell...?
gpsman
Aug 11, 2012, 11:11:58 AM8/11/12
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On Aug 11, 9:58 am, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 06:08:58 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >> I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic.
>
> >So you believe you can lie your ass off and receive the forgiveness of
> >God from a man by reciting a few Hail Marys.
>
> Where have I ever told a lie?
Right there, genius, by implying you don't lie.
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 06:08:58 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >> I'm Hungarian and I am a Roman Catholic.
>
> >So you believe you can lie your ass off and receive the forgiveness of
> >God from a man by reciting a few Hail Marys.
>
> Where have I ever told a lie?
"It was a study done by a government agency."
"When I'm questioned I say the truth not some idiot opinions."
You purport to be a Christian, yet purport to outrank me by virtue of
your wealth:
"I own a mansion and a yacht. You don't. I out rank you by
lightyears."
"Do you ever ask yourself how you know what you think you know...?"
"Nope."
"Nope."
> >For some reason you're hiding from the truth.
>
> >You use religion as a red herring to avoid the question that reveals
> >the truth behind the mountain of shit you believe and refuse to
> >examine: "How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to
> >need to create more jobs...?"
>
> I already explained that there is an ancient Chinese proverb that I
> once made up. It goes a little something like this, "If the pie gets
> bigger, more people can eat."
That's not a number. You did not even forward that as an answer:
>
> >You use religion as a red herring to avoid the question that reveals
> >the truth behind the mountain of shit you believe and refuse to
> >examine: "How much more than 99% of the money does the 1% purport to
> >need to create more jobs...?"
>
> I already explained that there is an ancient Chinese proverb that I
> once made up. It goes a little something like this, "If the pie gets
> bigger, more people can eat."
"You're so smart, you figger it out. But there's an old Chinese
saying..."
So, you're lying.
> >How did the very rich convince you to be their faux religious and real
> >ignorant-by-choice shill...?
>
> You sound like a ranting lunatic.
ripped to shreds it is most easy and comforting to simply continue
lying to yourself.
Like giving money to the Catholic church = giving money to the poor.
It is a non sequitur, not including waiting for Christmas to calculate
your tax benefit:
I have a letter from my priest thanking me for the generous donation I
gave to the church at Christmas. I gave more to the church with one
check than you gave in
your entire lifetime."
> >Does the Bible describe a special place for souls such as yours that
> >is not hell...?
>
> Yup. It's heaven.
Sounds like an opinion: Mark 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go
> >is not hell...?
>
> Yup. It's heaven.
through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
kingdom of God.”
You lie to yourself. Obviously.
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- gpsman
Horva...@net.net
Aug 11, 2012, 1:10:08 PM8/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:11:58 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
needle. It wouldn't be that hard to build.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
>Sounds like an opinion: Mark 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go
>through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
>kingdom of God.”
I always loved that saying. A rich man can always get a really big
>through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
>kingdom of God.”
needle. It wouldn't be that hard to build.
gpsman
Aug 11, 2012, 2:00:27 PM8/11/12
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On Aug 11, 1:10 pm, Horvath1...@net.net wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:11:58 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >Sounds like an opinion: Mark 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go
> >through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
> >kingdom of God.
>
> I always loved that saying.
Nice snip! Smartest thing you've ever written.
> On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:11:58 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
> <gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>
> >Sounds like an opinion: Mark 10:25 "It is easier for a camel to go
> >through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
> >kingdom of God.
>
> I always loved that saying.
> A rich man can always get a really big
> needle. It wouldn't be that hard to build.
God is just that stupid.
Looks like going to Catholic church every Sunday doesn't mean much...
as if it ever did...
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- gpsman
Horva...@net.net
Aug 11, 2012, 5:36:35 PM8/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 11:00:27 -0700 (PDT), gpsman
>> �A rich man can always get a really big
onto the end. Then I can put a camel cigarette right through it. God
loves that stuff.
>Looks like going to Catholic church every Sunday doesn't mean much...
>as if it ever did...
You are such an idiot. I'm on a first name basis with the pastor. I
went to high school with him.
<gps...@driversmail.com> wrote this crap:
>>
>> >Sounds like an opinion: Mark 10:25 �"It is easier for a camel to go
>> >through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
>> >kingdom of God.
>>
>> I always loved that saying.
>
>Nice snip! Smartest thing you've ever written.
No, I've written some smarter stuff.
>>
>> >Sounds like an opinion: Mark 10:25 �"It is easier for a camel to go
>> >through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the
>> >kingdom of God.
>>
>> I always loved that saying.
>
>Nice snip! Smartest thing you've ever written.
>> �A rich man can always get a really big
>> needle. �It wouldn't be that hard to build.
>
>So you propose to trick God into admitting you to heaven... because
>God is just that stupid.
Not at all. I can get a needle from my sewing room and glue a ring
>
>So you propose to trick God into admitting you to heaven... because
>God is just that stupid.
onto the end. Then I can put a camel cigarette right through it. God
loves that stuff.
>Looks like going to Catholic church every Sunday doesn't mean much...
>as if it ever did...
went to high school with him.
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