Leisure Suit Larry - The evolution of the Secrets Master.
Colleyville Alan
metamorphosis if not an evolution. He's learned many secrets in such a
short time, seven of which he's shared with us.
1 - ...the secret is that THERE IS NO SECRET!
2 - ...keeping my right upper arm against my rib cage.
3 - THAT is the secret of a connected golf swing--and a farmer's weed cutter
movement.
4 - BUT, the grip IS everything.
5 - The "secret" is to stick with the fundamentals of grip, setup, a full
shoulder turn, light muscle pressure in ur arms.
6 - The secret to the golf swing is the turn.
7 - Only gravity and centrifugal force repeats-- the secret of the
professionals.
Hey Larry, I really like secret #1!!!
**************************************************************************
Hey Larry, since you are so big on citing authoritative sources, I've
included your citations:
From: Larry Whitaker (la...@delmardata.com)Subject: Re: Swing the Clubhead
really works View: Complete Thread (342 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2002-02-20 15:21:15 PST
I am trying to focus everyone who is interested here on the basic concept
that there is no need to focus on detail in a successful full swing! I want
all to see that the secret is that THERE IS NO SECRET!
Duhhh, the swing remains simple ONLY if we DON'T analyze it
From: Larry Whitaker (la...@delmardata.com)
Subject: Re: Recomendations for golf aids
View: Complete Thread (33 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2002-03-10 17:55:26 PST
I really regret that NO instructor has told me how really vitally important
keeping my right upper arm against my rib cage (and thus turning my torso to
propel the arms) really is. I think that is the entire secret to the
delayed release hit we see in a Freddy Couples and all the new little guys
who hit it 350+.
From: Larry (La...@delmardata.com)
Subject: The grip fanatic!
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2002-11-25 18:40:08 PST
I am just now learning that what EVERY professional who writes about
the golf swing is correct about the importance of the grip. They
always put the information about the grip in the first chapter and
apparently most of us just start their book at Chapter 2.
BUT, the grip IS everything. Get the grip right and you don't need to
read the other chapters. A good grip DICTATES a correct swing. A
good grip forces you to swing on plane and much more. You can put
your mind in automatic and just swing after you learn to setup
From: Larry (La...@delmardata.com)
Subject: Re: Fire Away . .. Swing Posted Online
View: Complete Thread (20 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2002-12-12 15:53:52 PST
You can never be consistently accurate as long as you depend on hand action
to direct the clubhead. Only gravity and centrifugal force repeats-- the
secret of the professionals.
From: Larry (La...@delmardata.com)
Subject: The Full-Swing Secret
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2003-01-06 12:20:28 PST
THE SOLUTION: is simply to turn fully. Absolutely refuse to downswing
unless you can see the ball off or even behind your shoulder.
From: Larry Whitaker (la...@delmardata.com)
Subject: Re: Hogan's toe up to toe up drill - not for slicers
View: Complete Thread (35 articles)
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2003-02-20 11:44:58 PST
The secret to the golf swing is the turn. The secret to achieving a free
and smooth full turn is a lack of tension--like Ernie Els.
From: Larry Whitaker (la...@delmardata.com)
Subject: Re: Hogan's toe up to toe up drill - not for slicers
View: Complete Thread (35 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2003-02-25 16:06:21 PST
NO manipulation with wrist or forearms is necessary, you simply turn your
torso and the blade automatically orients correctly. THAT is the secret of
a connected golf swing--and a farmer's weed cutter movement.
From: Larry Whitaker (la...@delmardata.com)
Subject: Re: Debate about golf instruction
View: Complete Thread (35 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2003-05-07 11:20:04 PST
The "secret" is to stick with the fundamentals of grip, setup, a full
shoulder turn, light muscle pressure in ur arms, etc. regardless of whether
it feels right and regardless of how the ball goes-- until it grooves.
********************************************************************
p.s. here's the wonder child stating in January that he's only been around
for 6 mos. His first post was Valentine's day of the year before.
From: Larry (La...@delmardata.com)
Subject: Re: The Full-Swing Secret
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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf
Date: 2003-01-09 11:12:56 PST
I have only been posting in the Usenet for 6 months or so.
Dene
"Colleyville Alan" <aechar...@NoSpam.attbi.com> wrote in message
news:waZDa.61947$DV.8...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts and
responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
You make frequent references to your killfile as though it's your shield of
honor, so who are you to ridicule his approach?
What's more pertinent is the use of your time. Such riveting research!
Wouldn't your time be better spent putting left handed?
-Greg
glfnaz
Dene wrote:
>
>
> Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
> golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts and
> responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
I'll remind you that Larry has telephoned New Orleans in an attempt to dig up
dirt on D LaVille, and has sent threatening private e-mails to RSGers. I have
proof of the latter.
Further, if all Larry is trying to do is 'figure out the golf swing', then why
does he have a different new 'secret' every day that contradicts the previous
day?
He does *not* respond to questions about his theories that he posts.
He's been asked how he makes his 'full shoulder turn behind the ball off his
back foot' without swaying outside the right leg....have you heard the answer?
If so, please forward it to me.
David Laville
>Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
>golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts and
>responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
Did you miss his post yesterday where he insulted me and my swing?
How about him claiming to call the course where I play to check up on
me to see if I really was an authorized TGM instructor? (All he had
to do was go to TGM web site).
>You make frequent references to your killfile as though it's your shield of
>honor, so who are you to ridicule his approach?
>
>What's more pertinent is the use of your time. Such riveting research!
>Wouldn't your time be better spent putting left handed?
Can you say the same for Larry calling my home course?
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
Contributor Of Consistent & Spam Free Golf Advice
Dene
"glfnaz" <glf...@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:3EE0C144...@qwest.net...
>
>
> Dene wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
> > golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts
and
> > responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
>
> I'll remind you that Larry has telephoned New Orleans in an attempt to dig
up
> dirt on D LaVille, and has sent threatening private e-mails to RSGers. I
have
> proof of the latter.
I don't defend Larry's actions. But calling him out in a thread, naming him
Leisure Suit Larry, is no less insiduous.
> Further, if all Larry is trying to do is 'figure out the golf swing', then
why
> does he have a different new 'secret' every day that contradicts the
previous
> day?
Because he's in an evolving state of confusion, same as me or other hacks
trying to figure out this game.
> He does *not* respond to questions about his theories that he posts.
> He's been asked how he makes his 'full shoulder turn behind the ball off
his
> back foot' without swaying outside the right leg....have you heard the
answer?
> If so, please forward it to me.
Again....he doesn't know what he's talking about. But does that disqualify
him from posting his theories.
-Greg
Robert Davis
be a troll and only way to deal with him is to ignore him, I'd say
that I disagree with you on this ...
Dene wrote:
> Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
> golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts and
> responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
He does insult people, at the same time as he complains about his
infamous 'ad hominem' attacks. The posts of his "thoughts" take the
form of gospel or absolute truths, and he's really not interested in a
serious discussion. He may respond to ridicule, but he *never*
responds to posts which point out mistakes, incorrect quotes, or
inconsistencies between his own posts. He loves to post his
"authoritative sources", but ignores/discounts other equally valid
sources (including the same ones he's quoted in the past) when they
contradict his point.
OK ... I feel better now 8^). Hopefully I can refrain from wasting any
more time on Larry.
> You make frequent references to your killfile as though it's your shield of
> honor, so who are you to ridicule his approach?
>
> What's more pertinent is the use of your time. Such riveting research!
> Wouldn't your time be better spent putting left handed?
>
> -Greg
>
>
Rob
glfnaz
Dene wrote:
>
>
> > Further, if all Larry is trying to do is 'figure out the golf swing', then
> why
> > does he have a different new 'secret' every day that contradicts the
> previous
> > day?
>
> Because he's in an evolving state of confusion, same as me or other hacks
> trying to figure out this game.
>
No, you don't have a new idea every three days.
You seek out good instruction, read recommended literature, and ask questions of
knowledgeable people.
You keep and work on the ideas that are consistent, and you throw out the
obvious garbage that makes no sense.
If you read a new idea in today's Crakerjax box, would you rush to the range
today to try it and then post here of the virtue of the idea when it is clearly
outside the processes of mainstream instruction?
Please don't say yes.
OK her's my tips for you for today........
Do these in this order only.........
1- there is no weight shift in the golf swing.
2- there is no transition in the golf swing
3- always make a full shoulder turn ahead of the ball
4- go play a 118 slope course, shoot in the 100's, tell RSG that it was a 146
slope, and never post the score
5-don't ever think about or practice where your arms, hands, or club shoud be,
just buy a friggen weed-wacker
6- tell RSG that you shot one over from the Championship tees, but don't post
the score
7-respond to people that are in your kill file, then find an excuse
8- But remember--don't challenge David Laville to a golf match. Nope, don't do
that! He just might show up.
Larry
>
>"Colleyville Alan" <aechar...@NoSpam.attbi.com> wrote in message
>news:waZDa.61947$DV.8...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>> LLLarry has had quite a journey from tadpole to full-blown toad; a
>> metamorphosis if not an evolution. He's learned many secrets in such a
>> short time, seven of which he's shared with us.
Thanks, nice review and nice chronicle of my evolution as a student
golfer. I do work to do every one of those things. Notice there is
nothing contradictory! I started as a 24+ handicap almost 3 years
ago-- a converted 4.5+ tennis player-- and recently shot one over! My
handicap is dropping like a rock. Apparently all that stuff works-I
suggest you read it carefully.
And BTW, if you would spend that much time hitting balls and playing
golf this Summer, you too could be a decent golfer. Not good to sit
at a computer all day.
Larry
Larry
>
>
>Dene wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
>> golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts and
>> responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
>
>I'll remind you that Larry has telephoned New Orleans in an attempt to dig up
>dirt on D LaVille, and has sent threatening private e-mails to RSGers. I have
>proof of the latter.
I did call D. LaVille's "home course" near New Orleans to talk to the
pros there about him after some particularly nasty personal insults
were posted by him. NOBODY there had ever even heard of the famous
golf instructor. I reported that to the entire forum. I am not
ashamed of that. No secret, no big revelation--just public exposure
of a phony. I learned that the best way to deal with these sickos is
to put them in your kill file- assuming you are using Free Agent.
>Further, if all Larry is trying to do is 'figure out the golf swing', then why
>does he have a different new 'secret' every day that contradicts the previous
>day?
>He does *not* respond to questions about his theories that he posts.
>He's been asked how he makes his 'full shoulder turn behind the ball off his
>back foot' without swaying outside the right leg....have you heard the answer?
>If so, please forward it to me.
No need to over analyze it. Just make a practice swing or a few
swings until you feel a nice relaxed "swish" and see a good clubhead
path toward the target or even in-to-out. Notice where the club first
contacts the grass. Put the ball there to enjoy crisp contact and
straight ball flight. That spot is at or behind center for me and for
anyone who doesn't do a transition lateral move forward. Duhhhh. It
ain't rocket science--but it might be too tough for you.
larry
glfnaz
Larry wrote:
Funny how you see my posts now, but refused to respond last week when I was in
Calif for my brothers wedding, and wanted to play golf with you.
I'll re-post it below for you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Subject:
Re: Wedges for a High Handicap?
Date:
Fri, 30 May 2003 08:44:39 -0700
From:
glfnaz <glf...@qwest.net>
Newsgroups:
rec.sport.golf
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8
Larry wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2003 01:52:59 GMT, "Jonathon" <Joh...@comcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Larry" <La...@delmardata.com> wrote in message
> >news:qoncdvgfinfuo2vfp...@4ax.com...
> >>snip
> >> Gene Littler is 72, but still shoots below par. He plays a casual round
> >at
> >> my club every Saturday morning. I have been around with him several
> >> times.
> >
> >I'll bet you have, I'll bet you have! Wink, wink, nudge, nudge!
>
> He and his son Curt, a Dermatologist, are members of Morgan Run here
> in Rancho Santa Fe, CA. I am a member there too.
>
> Come on out for a visit!
>
> Larry
I'll be out that way this weekend for my brother's wedding.
How about 18 Monday morning?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dene
"David Laville" <dlav...@att.net> wrote in message
news:j2h1ev8ed9m9hke2q...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:17:31 GMT, "Dene" <de...@cnnw.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Larry is trying to figure out the golf swing....so what. What serious
> >golfer isn't? He doesn't insult anybody....he posts his latest thoughts
and
> >responds to ridicule the best he can, by plonking.
>
> Did you miss his post yesterday where he insulted me and my swing?
> How about him claiming to call the course where I play to check up on
> me to see if I really was an authorized TGM instructor? (All he had
> to do was go to TGM web site).
No....I missed that debate, until now. Good too see you back.
I'm not sure if Larry is a troll or not. I do know that creating a thread
brings attention to him, and that is the main point of my original post.
> >You make frequent references to your killfile as though it's your shield
of
> >honor, so who are you to ridicule his approach?
> >
> >What's more pertinent is the use of your time. Such riveting research!
> >Wouldn't your time be better spent putting left handed?
>
> Can you say the same for Larry calling my home course?
I don't defend him in that regard. Again, creating a thread in his honor is
counter-productive.
ghoststep
"Dene" <de...@cnnw.net> wrote in message
news:na4Ea.67499$DV.8...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> I don't defend him in that regard. Again, creating a thread in his honor
is
> counter-productive.
>
> >
I agree but I don't think it was his honor this thread was about. Of course
responding in it is just as counter-productive.
DOH!
Tim
Larry wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:17:31 GMT, "Dene" <de...@cnnw.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Colleyville Alan" <aechar...@NoSpam.attbi.com> wrote in message
>>news:waZDa.61947$DV.8...@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>>
>>>LLLarry has had quite a journey from tadpole to full-blown toad; a
>>>metamorphosis if not an evolution. He's learned many secrets in such a
>>>short time, seven of which he's shared with us.
>>
>
> Thanks, nice review and nice chronicle of my evolution as a student
> golfer. I do work to do every one of those things. Notice there is
> nothing contradictory! I started as a 24+ handicap almost 3 years
> ago-- a converted 4.5+ tennis player-- and recently shot one over!
one over what?
tim
bill-o
"Larry" <La...@delmardata.com> wrote
>
> I did call D. LaVille's "home course" near New Orleans to talk to the
> pros there about him after some particularly nasty personal insults
> were posted by him. NOBODY there had ever even heard of the famous
> golf instructor.
That's because he runs a business for a living, his golfing machine
certification is not something he makes money on, it is, I believe,
something he did for his personal satisfaction.
--
bill-o
Host of RSG-StL July 11-13, 2003
http://www.geocities.com/billo39206/
Boyd Beattie
> LLLarry has had quite a journey from tadpole to full-blown toad; a
> metamorphosis if not an evolution. He's learned many secrets in such a
> short time, seven of which he's shared with us.
Get a life.
Larry's a laugh. He's entertaining. He's a bit of a right wing nutter.
Ignore him if you don't like what he posts, but stalking him makes
you appear a very worrying individual.
--
Regards,
J. B. Beattie
The IT Shop
mailto:mail...@the-it-shop.co.uk
http://the-laptop-shop.co.uk
Boyd Beattie
>
> Thanks, nice review and nice chronicle of my evolution as a student
> golfer. I do work to do every one of those things. Notice there is
> nothing contradictory! I started as a 24+ handicap almost 3 years
> ago-- a converted 4.5+ tennis player-- and recently shot one over! My
> handicap is dropping like a rock.
What is your handicap now, Larry?
David Laville
>Again....he doesn't know what he's talking about. But does that disqualify
>him from posting his theories.
Larry is not posting theories, he's posting contradictions and wrong
information intentionally while sitting back and laughing watching
people take the bait. I predict it will be a matter of time before he
starts advocating fitted clubs and providing wrong information about
them.
David Laville
>> I did call D. LaVille's "home course" near New Orleans to talk to the
>> pros there about him after some particularly nasty personal insults
>> were posted by him. NOBODY there had ever even heard of the famous
>> golf instructor. I reported that to the entire forum. I am not
>> ashamed of that. No secret, no big revelation--just public exposure
>> of a phony.
One question I bet Larry will never be able to answer is if I'm such a
phony why am I listed on TGM web site?
DJD
> Colleyville Alan wrote:
>
>> LLLarry has had quite a journey from tadpole to full-blown toad; a
>> metamorphosis if not an evolution. He's learned many secrets in such a
>> short time, seven of which he's shared with us.
>
>
>
> Get a life.
>
> Larry's a laugh. He's entertaining. He's a bit of a right wing nutter.
> Ignore him if you don't like what he posts, but stalking him makes you
> appear a very worrying individual.
>
>
LLLarry's a spammer and a troll. His entertainment value (IMO) is
slightly less than zero and "nutter" is a compliment.
But what's worse is that most of the swing theory he posts is a
hodgepodge of contradictory snippets from a dozen different sources and
is almost always taken out of context. That makes him a menace to any of
the newbies who actually hope to learn something.
--
Dan Driscoll
Member USGA, NCGA
RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html
RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
(dph)
> Boyd Beattie wrote:
> > Colleyville Alan wrote:
> >
> >> LLLarry has had quite a journey from tadpole to full-blown toad; a
> >> metamorphosis if not an evolution. He's learned many secrets in such a
> >> short time, seven of which he's shared with us.
> > Get a life.
> > Larry's a laugh. He's entertaining. He's a bit of a right wing
> > nutter. Ignore him if you don't like what he posts, but stalking
> > him makes you appear a very worrying individual.
> >
>
> LLLarry's a spammer and a troll. His entertainment value (IMO) is
> slightly less than zero and "nutter" is a compliment.
>
> But what's worse is that most of the swing theory he posts is a
> hodgepodge of contradictory snippets from a dozen different sources
> and is almost always taken out of context. That makes him a menace to
> any of the newbies who actually hope to learn something.
Sure, but someone takes his ideas seriously:
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/cl/2003/cl030607.gif
--
--dph membe...@rec-sport-golf.com
http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=hayesd
David Laville
((dph)) wrote:
>> But what's worse is that most of the swing theory he posts is a
>> hodgepodge of contradictory snippets from a dozen different sources
>> and is almost always taken out of context. That makes him a menace to
>> any of the newbies who actually hope to learn something.
>
>Sure, but someone takes his ideas seriously:
>
> http://images.ucomics.com/comics/cl/2003/cl030607.gif
Now we know where Larry gets his ideas from.
Colleyville Alan
> >
> I did call D. LaVille's "home course" near New Orleans to talk to the
> pros there about him after some particularly nasty personal insults
> were posted by him. NOBODY there had ever even heard of the famous
> golf instructor.
No shit. He makes teeth for a living and does not teach golf at his home
course. Why don't you call the the local Navy recruiter and ask if they've
heard of you?
>I reported that to the entire forum. I am not
> ashamed of that. No secret, no big revelation--just public exposure
> of a phony.
When that "phony" kicks your ass on the course, it will make amusing
reading.
BTW, you insinuated in an email to me that you could "expose" me by posting
to RSG copies of posts I had made to other newsgroups. That was an idiotic
threat, but you then you are an idiot so it fits with your MO. Go ahead and
dig throught the archives of usenet and you'll see the posts I don't want
the world to see! The questions about woodworking, about programming with
Visual Basic. Gosh, if the world knew that I was not a good VB programmer,
I'd never be allowed to join a private club like yours! What a
heartbreaking thought!
>I learned that the best way to deal with these sickos is
> to put them in your kill file- assuming you are using Free Agent.
You sent me a copy of your kill file and it is NOT a kill file. It marks
posts as read.
> >Further, if all Larry is trying to do is 'figure out the golf swing',
then why
> >does he have a different new 'secret' every day that contradicts the
previous
> >day?
> >He does *not* respond to questions about his theories that he posts.
> >He's been asked how he makes his 'full shoulder turn behind the ball off
his
> >back foot' without swaying outside the right leg....have you heard the
answer?
> >If so, please forward it to me.
>
> No need to over analyze it. Just make a practice swing or a few
> swings until you feel a nice relaxed "swish" and see a good clubhead
> path toward the target or even in-to-out. Notice where the club first
> contacts the grass. Put the ball there to enjoy crisp contact and
> straight ball flight. That spot is at or behind center for me and for
> anyone who doesn't do a transition lateral move forward.
Well it sure is NOT off your back foot! (as you previously claimed it was).
Also, I'd like to see you get your front shoulder behind your back foot
without swaying.
glfnaz
Colleyville Alan wrote:
>
> Well it sure is NOT off your back foot! (as you previously claimed it was).
> Also, I'd like to see you get your front shoulder behind your back foot
> without swaying.
Where'd you get that question?
How was Palm Springs?
You doing alright?