Good question...

[Alan Baker]

"I靶e been asking for years: Is there a carrier anywhere in the world
that carries both the iPhone and Android phones where the iPhone is not
the top-selling phone?"

<http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/03/winning>

"It means that Android was/is winning in market share because Apple
was/is allowing it to.

Android was previously the top smartphone OS for both Verizon and
Sprint. But that was only because the iPhone was not available on either
network until last year. When it became available, it quickly shot to
the top. One type of phone outsold hundreds of other models combined.
That零 pretty insane."

Well, trolls...

...let's see you step up!

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Alan Baker]

In article <alangbaker-FD520...@news.shawcable.net>,

Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:

> "I靶e been asking for years: Is there a carrier anywhere in the world
> that carries both the iPhone and Android phones where the iPhone is not
> the top-selling phone?"
>
> <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/03/winning>
>
> "It means that Android was/is winning in market share because Apple
> was/is allowing it to.
>
> Android was previously the top smartphone OS for both Verizon and
> Sprint. But that was only because the iPhone was not available on either
> network until last year. When it became available, it quickly shot to
> the top. One type of phone outsold hundreds of other models combined.
> That零 pretty insane."
>
> Well, trolls...
>
> ...let's see you step up!

Sorry, wrong group...

[Dene]

On May 3, 2:28 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <alangbaker-FD5204.13055203052...@news.shawcable.net>,
>  Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "I¹ve been asking for years: Is there a carrier anywhere in the world

> > that carries both the iPhone and Android phones where the iPhone is not
> > the top-selling phone?"
>
> > <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/03/winning>
>
> > "It means that Android was/is winning in market share because Apple
> > was/is allowing it to.
>
> > Android was previously the top smartphone OS for both Verizon and
> > Sprint. But that was only because the iPhone was not available on either
> > network until last year. When it became available, it quickly shot to
> > the top. One type of phone outsold hundreds of other models combined.

> > That¹s pretty insane."

>
> > Well, trolls...
>
> > ...let's see you step up!
>
> Sorry, wrong group...

Dang. For a second, I actually thought you were saying something.

-Greg

[Alan Baker]

Certainly there was never any doubt that you weren't...

[kenpitts]

I'm sure he's as popular in the Apple group as he is here.

Ken

[gpsman]

"Usenet is too complex for me".
-----

- gpsman

[Silvio Bierman]

On 05/03/2012 10:05 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> "I靶e been asking for years: Is there a carrier anywhere in the world
> that carries both the iPhone and Android phones where the iPhone is not
> the top-selling phone?"
>
> <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/03/winning>
>
> "It means that Android was/is winning in market share because Apple
> was/is allowing it to.
>
> Android was previously the top smartphone OS for both Verizon and
> Sprint. But that was only because the iPhone was not available on either
> network until last year. When it became available, it quickly shot to
> the top. One type of phone outsold hundreds of other models combined.
> That零 pretty insane."
>
> Well, trolls...
>
> ...let's see you step up!
>

Slightly off topic but OK:

Here in Europe almost all carriers provide both Android and iPhone
smartphones. Apple had an initial lead when Android was less mature but
has long been surpassed and left far behind by Android. Tablets are
showing the same trend with Android very rapidly closing in on the iPads.

Silvio

[MNMikeW]

Oh oh Silvio, you are now one of the "trolls" according to the pipsqueak
from BC.

[Alan Baker]

In article <a0sq7s...@mid.individual.net>,

LOL

Nope.

Do you even try to be right, Mike?

[Alan Baker]

In article <4fa8fb61$0$6977$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,

Ummm.... ...no.

First off, Android phones are replacing feature phones at the low end.
Apple is the company making the real money; to the tune of 73% of the
profit made in the entire mobile phone industry.

Second, in the real world, many of those Android tablets are--again--not
really being used as full featured tablets, but rather as e-readers.
According to a recent source, the iPad accounts for 96.64% of all their
web traffic.

[Silvio Bierman]

I am talking about the sales numbers in the stores in western Europe.
The installed base in Europe is tiny in comparison to the US so I can
image this not showing up in traffic yet.

[Alan Baker]

In article <4faa1734$0$6967$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,

Really? Have you got an actual source for that?

> The installed base in Europe is tiny in comparison to the US so I can
> image this not showing up in traffic yet.

Let me see some actual figures.

[Silvio Bierman]

On 05/09/2012 09:08 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<4faa1734$0$6967$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,

I do not know if you are any good at reading Dutch?

http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/2724648/verkoop-androidtablets-nadert-ipad.html

The article states that 39% of all tablets sold over the last quarter of
2011 where Android devices, up from 29% in the first quarter. The 10%
increase matches a 10% decrease of iPad share.

I am in the market research business (actually, I provide market
research software & services) and I have seen several studies pass by
where the overall picture is that people in Europe see Apple as a high
quality technical brand but they very much dislike the commercial
lock-in Apple enforces on their customers. Not being allowed to put
music and video files from anywhere on the devices is considered a big
disadvantage.
These studies are not owned by me but by my customers so I can not
reproduce actual figures.

[Carbon]

On Tue, 08 May 2012 11:18:05 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> First off, Android phones are replacing feature phones at the low end.

The low end? I don't think so. I have a Samsung Galaxy S2. This thing is
a beast. My work phone is an iPhone. It's nice for what it is, but it
doesn't have the power of the latest generation Android phones. I'm sure
the next iPhone will change that, but for now that's how it is.

Alan, have you used any of the current Android phones?

> Apple is the company making the real money; to the tune of 73% of the
> profit made in the entire mobile phone industry.
>
> Second, in the real world, many of those Android tablets are--again--not
> really being used as full featured tablets, but rather as e-readers.
> According to a recent source, the iPad accounts for 96.64% of all their
> web traffic.

I bought my wife an Android tablet for Christmas. Well actually, funny
story, I bought her an iPad first. It demanded that she enter her credit
card information before it would let her actually use the thing. She
thought this was a very strange precondition for using a computer. So
did I.

We exchanged it for an Android tablet. It's in the living room. We never
use it as an e-reader, though I'm sure it would work fine at that task.

[james]

"MNMikeW" wrote in message news:a0sq7s...@mid.individual.net...

Careful! Baker will sic his triple black belt GF on you as he's
threating to do to some on the Mac group. She has kicked ass on big,
brawny guys twice her weight!!! A highly entertaining story!

You should drop by. The thread is titled "Android Tablets..."

[MNMikeW]

And like everything the pipsqueak from BC says, it's all a story.

[gpsman]

On May 9, 8:13 am, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I bought her an iPad first. It demanded that she enter her credit
> card information before it would let her actually use the thing. She
> thought this was a very strange precondition for using a computer. So
> did I.

Getthefuckouttahere. Nobody's so stupid they'd enter their CC info
into a device to activate it.

Wait, I forgot how spam continues to hoodwink nitwits...

Never mind.
-----

- gpsman

[MNMikeW]

You do realize what your are starting here with this right? I love my
Androids as well. No credit card required, lol.

[Alan Baker]

In article <4faa4dc9$0$6950$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,

It's also nonsense. You can put your own videos and music (from
anywhere) onto an iPhone or an iPad.

> These studies are not owned by me but by my customers so I can not
> reproduce actual figures.

[james]

"MNMikeW" wrote in message news:a0vk5h...@mid.individual.net...

Yes! But creative and highly amusing. The one you might have seen is
where he claimed he was going to put a big Chevy motor in his old,
POS Mazda and piss on Ferraris. It's nice to have comedians like him
around - lots of chuckles.

[james]

"Silvio Bierman" wrote in message
news:4faa1734$0$6967$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl...

And you are talking to a Luser. The creep pounds away at his keyboard
24/7 on several different groups. He doesn't work. He holds out his
hand for his mommy to fill. He is also waiting on his inheritance.
I'm hoping his mother lives to be at least 110. He is one of those
"low esteem" persons.

[james]

"kenpitts" wrote in message
news:ab4adbaf-20c5-4cbe...@r9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

On May 3, 6:16 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 2:28 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <alangbaker-FD5204.13055203052...@news.shawcable.net>,
> > Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>

> > > "I靶e been asking for years: Is there a carrier anywhere in the

> > > world
> > > that carries both the iPhone and Android phones where the iPhone
> > > is not
> > > the top-selling phone?"
>
> > > <http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/05/03/winning>
>
> > > "It means that Android was/is winning in market share because
> > > Apple
> > > was/is allowing it to.
>
> > > Android was previously the top smartphone OS for both Verizon
> > > and
> > > Sprint. But that was only because the iPhone was not available
> > > on either
> > > network until last year. When it became available, it quickly
> > > shot to
> > > the top. One type of phone outsold hundreds of other models
> > > combined.

> > > That零 pretty insane."

>
> > > Well, trolls...
>
> > > ...let's see you step up!
>
> > Sorry, wrong group...
>
> Dang. For a second, I actually thought you were saying something.
>
> -Greg

>I'm sure he's as popular in the Apple group as he is here.

He is a rich source of entertainment. You should drop by and see how
big an ass he makes of himself. Comp.sys.mac.advocacy. I guarantee
you'll love it.

[Alan Baker]

In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,

I'm glad they're working well for you.

It doesn't change the reality of how most Android phones and tablets are
being used.

[Alan Baker]

In article <a0vkb2...@mid.individual.net>,

No credit card required for an iPad or iPhone either.

[Alan Baker]

In article <a0vk5h...@mid.individual.net>,

Nope.

Like everything I post, it's the simple truth.

:-)

[Alan Baker]

In article <8nyqr.2527$On2....@newsfe16.iad>,

Physics is physics, Michael.

425hp in a 2500lb (340hp/ton) car will out-accelerate 483hp in a 3200lb
car (332hp/ton).

[Alan Baker]

In article <9syqr.605$9Q6...@newsfe18.iad>,

LOL

[MNMikeW]

The pipsqueak drives a pipsqueak car, lol.

[Alan Baker]

In article <a0vsoh...@mid.individual.net>,

The person drives a car he enjoys very much; literally one of the
best-handling cars one can buy for any money.

:-)

[Howard Brazee]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 10:02:32 -0700, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
wrote:

>> I am in the market research business (actually, I provide market
>> research software & services) and I have seen several studies pass by
>> where the overall picture is that people in Europe see Apple as a high
>> quality technical brand but they very much dislike the commercial
>> lock-in Apple enforces on their customers. Not being allowed to put
>> music and video files from anywhere on the devices is considered a big
>> disadvantage.
>
>It's also nonsense. You can put your own videos and music (from
>anywhere) onto an iPhone or an iPad.

And it isn't very difficult.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Howard Brazee]

On Wed, 9 May 2012 14:15:01 -0400, "james" <jjaam...@csma.com>
wrote:

>He is a rich source of entertainment. You should drop by and see how
>big an ass he makes of himself. Comp.sys.mac.advocacy. I guarantee
>you'll love it.

I participate in several Apple news groups, but don't think Apple
needs advocates at this point in time.

[Alan Baker]

In article <dhflq7h2kjel9jith...@4ax.com>,

Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 9 May 2012 14:15:01 -0400, "james" <jjaam...@csma.com>
> wrote:
>
> >He is a rich source of entertainment. You should drop by and see how
> >big an ass he makes of himself. Comp.sys.mac.advocacy. I guarantee
> >you'll love it.
>
> I participate in several Apple news groups, but don't think Apple
> needs advocates at this point in time.

Yup.

Frankly, the shoe is on the other foot now.

When Apple was at its worst back in 1999, CSMA was very active with
people advocating the Mac...

...but it doesn't really need much at the moment.

Macs are outgrowing the rest of the PC industry by quite a lot, and
where society is relatively affluent, they now make up more than 10% of
PC sales, and because essentially no Macs are bought for
industrial/single-use purposes, the percentage of them being bought for
use AS a personal computer is even higher than that.

So CSMA is populated almost exclusively by the the worst of the trolls.

james/redjak/zara/...

...well, Michael Patelmo is a perfect example.

He literally never says anything useful to anyone in any way.

[Carbon]

On Wed, 09 May 2012 11:26:29 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> 425hp in a 2500lb (340hp/ton) car will out-accelerate 483hp in a
> 3200lb car (332hp/ton).

Well since the 480hp engine is only $300 more than the standard LS3:
480hp in a 2500lb (340hp/ton) car will out-accelerate 483hp in a 3200lb
car (332hp/ton).

I have not looked at every page of every build diary at
http://flyinmiata.com/V8/

[Carbon]

Well I for one am not complaining about the money. My MSM was 2 years
old with 15k miles when I bought it for 60% of MSRP. Yes please!

I do not care what other people think of my car, and I really don't care
about straight line-only performance. There is a reason so many of these
things are raced. They're cheap, they're durable, and they handle
really, really well.

[BAR]

In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...

How much weight do you have to put into the trunk to keep the the car
from doing 360's over the front wheels on fast turns.

[james]

"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
news:dhflq7h2kjel9jith...@4ax.com...

On Wed, 9 May 2012 14:15:01 -0400, "james" <jjaam...@csma.com>
wrote:

>He is a rich source of entertainment. You should drop by and see how
>big an ass he makes of himself. Comp.sys.mac.advocacy. I guarantee
>you'll love it.

>I participate in several Apple news groups, but don't think Apple
>needs advocates at this point in time.

No, not when they have shrieking fangurls. Do you know that one
shrieking fangurl is worth ten ordinary, rational mortals? And, the
best part; they work for FREE!!!!

[james]

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-95F4E...@news.shawcable.net...

heheheheheh. Yes, Brain - all things being equal.

--
Alan Baker
2252 West 1st Ave.

[james]

"MNMikeW" wrote in message news:a0vsoh...@mid.individual.net...

Geez - he bit that one hard! He's called "Muffintop"on the Mac group.
He should be called Masochist. Lets face it, his imaginary pipsqueak
GF lives over 2000 miles away from him.

[Carbon]

LS engines and are unusually light and compact, especially considering
the power they produce. My car comes from the factory with a turbo and a
bunch of other doodads, and there would be basically no change in f/r
balance or overall weight. A non-turbo car might gain 100lb and maybe
change 1% in balance. BFD. It's a small price to pay for a 300+ hp
increase.

[Alan Baker]

In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

I wouldn't bother trying to explain vehicle dynamics to Bar (or to
Michael), Carbon.

:-)

[Silvio Bierman]

On 05/09/2012 07:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> It's also nonsense. You can put your own videos and music (from
> anywhere) onto an iPhone or an iPad.
>

If you say so that is probably true. I do not know since I do not own
any of the products.

But the fact remains that quite recent researches show many people think
it is true. Perhaps it was true at one time, perhaps it is just FUD.

[BAR]

I remember trying to drive my 72 Mustang in the snow. There was no
traction and the backend would just move to the right due to the non-
posi rear end.

[Carbon]

It probably wasn't much better in the dry. Back then cars handled like
shit.

[Alan Baker]

In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Yup.

And driving a (very primitively designed from a vehicle dynamics point
of view) car in the snow is hardly comparable to driving a fully
independent sports car on pavement.

[BAR]

We were not too smart about the tires we purchased. We could have
purchased steel belted radials but we kept with the bias ply tires. The
bias ply tires were fatter and looked better.

[Carbon]

They may as well been balloons for all the good they did. Radials back
then were nothing like the tires of today either.

And that's just tires. There was still shit chassis, shit suspension,
shit brakes, etc...

[William Clark]

In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

Don't forget the rust . . :-)

[Dene]

On May 9, 5:13 am, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 May 2012 11:18:05 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> > First off, Android phones are replacing feature phones at the low end.
>

> The low end? I don't think so. I have a Samsung Galaxy S2. This thing is
> a beast. My work phone is an iPhone. It's nice for what it is, but it
> doesn't have the power of the latest generation Android phones. I'm sure
> the next iPhone will change that, but for now that's how it is.
>
> Alan, have you used any of the current Android phones?
>

> > Apple is the company making the real money; to the tune of 73% of the
> > profit made in the entire mobile phone industry.
>
> > Second, in the real world, many of those Android tablets are--again--not
> > really being used as full featured tablets, but rather as e-readers.
> > According to a recent source, the iPad accounts for 96.64% of all their
> > web traffic.
>

> I bought my wife an Android tablet for Christmas. Well actually, funny
> story, I bought her an iPad first. It demanded that she enter her credit
> card information before it would let her actually use the thing. She
> thought this was a very strange precondition for using a computer. So
> did I.
>
> We exchanged it for an Android tablet. It's in the living room. We never
> use it as an e-reader, though I'm sure it would work fine at that task.

I have an Iphone 4S and it's fine. Use it for many tasks, including
Siri. But for the living room browser, I use my Kindle Fire. Very
good tablet.

I've thought about an Ipad but hate the size of them....and ITunes.
If Apple ever makes a 7 inch Ipad, I may reconsider. Love the retina
display for my aging eyes.

-Greg

[Alan Baker]

In article
<af82de34-3e67-4056...@jx17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
Dene <gds...@aol.com> wrote:

> On May 9, 11:21 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article <a0vkb2Fgd...@mid.individual.net>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:

> > > You do realize what your are starting here with this right?  I love my
> > > Androids as well. No credit card required, lol.
> >
> > No credit card required for an iPad or iPhone either.
>
> BS. You have to establish an Apple ID to accomplish any App. d/l or
> upgrade.
>
> -Greg

And you can establish an Apple ID without a credit card.

"Creating an iTunes Store, App Store, iBookstore, and Mac App Store
account without a credit card"

<http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534>

What a pity you don't check your facts, hmmm?

[Carbon]

> And you can establish an Apple ID without a credit card.
>
> "Creating an iTunes Store, App Store, iBookstore, and Mac App Store
> account without a credit card"
>
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534>
>
> What a pity you don't check your facts, hmmm?

Ok, so, you have to go to itunes, find and install a free app, and then
it finally lets you create an account that is not tied to a CC. Wow,
that's really... intuitive.

[Alan Baker]

In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

It also works that way if you're setting up an iPad or iPhone from
scratch: you don't have to give it a payment method.