Olympics fan gives Nazi salute - Fined $3900

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT

A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that his
behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".

Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
__________________

Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals
put together!

NAACP = Negro Affirmative Action, Caucasian Persecution

[Wayne]

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

>I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
>anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined

>guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT

>A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
>match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
>aggravated offence at the Games and fined �2,500. He was told that his
>behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".

>Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
>Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
>match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
>Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
>manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
>style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.

WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks like
UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
express yourself.

I suppose instead of convicting the guy of a racially aggravated offense,
they could have gotten him on their "anti-social offense" laws.

[Howard Brazee]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks like
>UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
>express yourself.

Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
are protesting for the company also have free speech.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Wayne]

"Howard Brazee" wrote in message
news:oobl18lbo1i9t5a7u...@4ax.com...

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
>like
>UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
>express yourself.

# Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
# are protesting for the company also have free speech.

True. But the protests against the company are attempting to influence
others to harm the company.

[Moderate]

Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks like
>> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
>> express yourself.
>
> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> are protesting for the company also have free speech.

Of course. The three liberal Mayors who vowed to block Chicfila business
should be tossed out of office.

The press did not go after them.

[WangoTango]

In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
says...

Now that's comparing apples to accordions.
Sure the Chicken man has the right to say anything he wants.
People also have the right to ridicule him for it, or to not eat at his
business because of it. Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from
repercussions.

The UK plays by a whole different set of rules, and being double plus
good in public is the number one rule.
Hate is love, war is peace, ignorance is knowledge.

[WangoTango]

In article <jvecgu$9bp$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
says...

Just as Christians use their freedom of religion and speech to press for
public policy that openly attacks these people and their equal
protection under the law. The sword cuts both ways.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me
> this is as wrong as anything can be. Who did this guy harm?
> I said harm - not offend.

Let's say a man takes out his Johnson out during mass. It is highly
offensive (non-harming) behavior.

Let's say a person makes disgusting noises or farts in a restaurant...

People should have a minimum of CIVILIZED behavior.

We need to cut hatred in the bud.

-Ramon

[BAR]

In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
says...
>

> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined
>
> >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
>
> >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially

> >aggravated offence at the Games and fined ￜ2,500. He was told that his

> >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
>
> >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
>
> WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks like
> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> express yourself.
>
> I suppose instead of convicting the guy of a racially aggravated offense,
> they could have gotten him on their "anti-social offense" laws.

The Queen hasn't granted her subjects or those in her dominions the
right of free speech.

[BAR]

In article <oobl18lbo1i9t5a7u...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...

>
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks like
> >UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> >express yourself.
>
> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> are protesting for the company also have free speech.

The real issue is that government officials are attempting to censor
speech. Emanuel, Menimo and others should be impeached.

[Moderate]

BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <oobl18lbo1i9t5a7u...@4ax.com>,

>>
>> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
>> are protesting for the company also have free speech.
>
> The real issue is that government officials are attempting to censor
> speech. Emanuel, Menimo and others should be impeached.

It could not be more clear how liberals and the media feel about free
speech. They don't like it.

Back in the day liberals stood against, "The Man." Now we see what happens
when they become the man. These people have flipped 540 degrees and become
the scourge of Liberty.

They should be shamed and ridiculed. They are traitors to every cause, but
their own.

[BAR]

In article <1347923251365643257.9...@news.aioe.org>,
nos...@nomail.com says...

"The most insidious power the press has is to ignore news."
-- Chris Plante

[Wayne]

"WangoTango" wrote in message
news:MPG.2a84acda1...@news.east.earthlink.net...

In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
says...
>
>
> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined
>
> >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
>
> >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially

> >aggravated offence at the Games and fined ￜ2,500. He was told that his

> >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
>
> >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
>
> WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
> like
> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> express yourself.

# Now that's comparing apples to accordions.
# Sure the Chicken man has the right to say anything he wants.
# People also have the right to ridicule him for it, or to not eat at his
# business because of it. Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from
# repercussions.

Depends on the repercussions. Not eating at the restaurant is fine.
Attempting to influence others to destroy the business and the owner is
bullshit.

It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
speech.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

So you DON'T believe in free speech.

I see.

[Unemployed Limbaugh Minion]

"Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote:
> I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-bask...

>
> guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
>
> A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
> aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that his
> behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
>
> Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
> __________________
>
> Reckless drivers are a bigger threat to you than all other criminals
> put together!
>
> NAACP = Negro Affirmative Action, Caucasian Persecution

White men are always the victims under a Democrat President.

That's why Tim McVeigh killed so many and Holmes (a lawful gun owner)
went postal in a theater.

Who cares if the victims were mostly white?


Now, if only the American white people would stop praising blacks who
play in the NFL or represent us in the Olympics.

Then we would stop being victims.

[Unemployed Limbaugh Minion]

On Aug 2, 12:47 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net>

> wrote:
>
> >WTF?  What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones".  Looks like
> >UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> >express yourself.
>
> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> are protesting for the company also have free speech.

No! There are uncountable Republicans who maintain that those left
wing crazy "Occupy Wall Street" asses should have been shot by the
National Guard, just like those fucking anti-American students at Kent
State back in 1970.

It's the only way to keep the peace.

[Alan Baker]

In article <jvf5pg$cl7$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote:

> "WangoTango" wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a84acda1...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>
> In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> says...
> >
> >
> > "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> > news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
> >
> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball
> > >-match-fined
> >
> > >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> >
> > >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> > >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially

> > >aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that his

> > >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
> >
> > >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> > >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> > >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> > >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> > >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> > >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
> >
> > WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
> > like
> > UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> > express yourself.
>
> # Now that's comparing apples to accordions.
> # Sure the Chicken man has the right to say anything he wants.
> # People also have the right to ridicule him for it, or to not eat at his
> # business because of it. Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from
> # repercussions.
>
> Depends on the repercussions. Not eating at the restaurant is fine.
> Attempting to influence others to destroy the business and the owner is
> bullshit.

No, it is not. Not if by "destroy" you mean "bankrupt for lack of
business".

>
> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> speech.

It is absolutely a question of free speech...

...and I will tell anyone who will listen that I don't think they should
put money in the pocket of anyone who would say such a thing.

And that is free speech too.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

On Aug 2, 2:27 pm, WangoTango <Asgar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> In article <jve7n8$ae...@dont-email.me>, mygarbage...@verizon.net

> says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"  wrote in message
> >news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>

> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-bask...

>
> > >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
>
> > >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> > >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
> > >aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that his
> > >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
>
> > >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> > >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> > >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> > >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> > >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> > >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
>
> > WTF?  What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones".  Looks like
> > UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> > express yourself.
>
> Now that's comparing apples to accordions.
> Sure the Chicken man has the right to say anything he wants.
> People also have the right to ridicule him for it, or to not eat at his
> business because of it.  Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from
> repercussions.
>
> The UK plays by a whole different set of rules, and being double plus
> good in public is the number one rule.
> Hate is love, war is peace, ignorance is knowledge.

That's right. No one is saying that chicky execs nor their critics be
prosecuted criminally. In UK though, that's what happens.

[Alan Baker]

In article <m0mm18h68pkm9766b...@4ax.com>,
Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:30:14 -0700, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> >> speech.
> >
> >It is absolutely a question of free speech...
> >
> >...and I will tell anyone who will listen that I don't think they should
> >put money in the pocket of anyone who would say such a thing.
> >
> >And that is free speech too.
>

> Too true.
>
> However, speech is not unlimited.
>
> It is a "right" that has limits, and there are laws that abound to
> temper it.

And those limits should be extremely narrow.

[Scout]

"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-66F6F...@news.shawcable.net...

> In article <m0mm18h68pkm9766b...@4ax.com>,
> Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:30:14 -0700, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of
>> >> free
>> >> speech.
>> >
>> >It is absolutely a question of free speech...
>> >
>> >...and I will tell anyone who will listen that I don't think they should
>> >put money in the pocket of anyone who would say such a thing.
>> >
>> >And that is free speech too.
>>
>> Too true.
>>
>> However, speech is not unlimited.
>>
>> It is a "right" that has limits, and there are laws that abound to
>> temper it.
>
> And those limits should be extremely narrow.

The limits of free speech should be extremely narrow, or the limits of those
laws that restrict it?

I ask because it's not clear which you mean.

[Alan Baker]

In article <jvfmnj$l55$1...@dont-email.me>,

I suggest you read a little more closely.

The only "limits" mentioned were limits on free speech, and I think
those limits should be narrow.

[Scout]

"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message

news:alangbaker-17229...@news.shawcable.net...

Well, that's what I was reading, but I couldn't believe that you would be so
anti-freedom.

> The only "limits" mentioned were limits on free speech, and I think
> those limits should be narrow.

So free speech should be highly limited, and most subjects and topics should
be prohibited to talk about?

Tell me then, what topics and subjects would be permissible to talk about
under what you envision as the narrow limits of free speech?

Would I be able to talk about the failings of political figures?

Point out how a piece of proposed legislation is bad?

So please feel me in on what the specific limits of free speech should be
narrowly limited to.

[Alan Baker]

In article <jvfndh$nsp$1...@dont-email.me>,

Really: you should learn to read.

As I said--twice now--it is the LIMITS which should be narrow.

>
> Tell me then, what topics and subjects would be permissible to talk about
> under what you envision as the narrow limits of free speech?
>
> Would I be able to talk about the failings of political figures?
>
> Point out how a piece of proposed legislation is bad?
>
> So please feel me in on what the specific limits of free speech should be
> narrowly limited to.
>
>
>

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Aug 2, 8:03 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

You don't seem to understand what free speech is about.

-Ramon

[Scout]

"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message

news:alangbaker-CA79C...@news.shawcable.net...

When one talks about limits in math, machine tools, etc those are the
boundaries in which answers, movement, etc are allowed.

Narrow limits implies limits close together with little "free space" between
them, and thus things are tightly controlled.
Wide limits implies limits that are far apart with much "free space" between
them, allowing for minimal control.

But anyway I think I understand what you're trying to say. That the
restrictions on free speech should be narrow and limited. Which means that
the limits of free speech should be very broad, with little that is off
limits to free speech.

FYI. It helps when asked what you mean, not to simply repeat what you've
been asked to clarify. Repeating yourself doesn't do much to clarify.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

Hasn't anybody asked Romney:

"If you were in charge of Olympic Games, would you allow Nazi
salutes?"

-Ramon

[Your Friend Ric]

"Wayne" wrote:
> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"  wrote in messagenews:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...

>
> >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.

> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-bask...
> >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
> >aggravated offence at the Games and fined 2,500. He was told that his
> >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
> >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
>
> WTF?  What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones".  Looks like
> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> express yourself.
>

> I suppose instead of convicting the guy of a racially aggravated offense,
> they could have gotten him on their "anti-social offense" laws.

Millions loved Hitler, millions loved Bush. 4 million watch Fox
News. 15 million listen to Rush.

How can millions be wrong?

What is wrong with a Nazi salute, a damn toothbrush mustache or a
Muslim woman wearing a Hijab walking 6 steps behind her man who lives
next door to you?

It doesn't hurt anybody! If Christ was killed by the electric
chair instead of the Crucifix, good Christians would be wearing tiny,
little electric chairs around their necks and they would be on the
steeples of your local Church.

Why are people upset about simple actions that are harmless?

[Jay Herblock]

On Aug 2, 11:52 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"  wrote in messagenews:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-bask...
> >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
> >aggravated offence at the Games and fined 2,500. He was told that his
> >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
> >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
>
> WTF?  What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones".  Looks like
> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> express yourself.
>
> I suppose instead of convicting the guy of a racially aggravated offense,
> they could have gotten him on their "anti-social offense" laws.

The brits have become so communized that they will probably still be
peeing in their pants two generations on at the mention of anything
german.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Aug 2, 8:03 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>> ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me
>> > > this is as wrong as anything can be. Who did this guy harm?
>> > > I said harm - not offend.
>>
>> >Let's say a man takes out his Johnson out during mass. It is highly
>> >offensive (non-harming) behavior.
>>
>> >Let's say a person makes disgusting noises or farts in a restaurant...
>>
>> >People should have a minimum of CIVILIZED behavior.
>>
>> >We need to cut hatred in the bud.
>>
>> So you DON'T believe in free speech.
>>
>> I see.
>
>You don't seem to understand what free speech is about.

I think that's the other way around. You are the one who has no idea
what it's about.

________
"People are SUPPOSED to hate ideas - It is called Freedom of Speech."
- Ramon F. Herrera, June 21, 2012

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>Name any "right" you have that is NOT regulated and/or controlled.

Giving a nazi salute.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>

>Hasn't anybody asked Romney:
>
>"If you were in charge of Olympic Games, would you allow Nazi
>salutes?"

Would you disallow it?

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:25:17 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote this crap:

>
>
>Depends on the repercussions. Not eating at the restaurant is fine.
>Attempting to influence others to destroy the business and the owner is
>bullshit.
>
>It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
>speech.

Here in Southeast Michigan people are waiting two hours in line to eat
at a Chick-fil-a. The boycott has boomeranged.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

[Wayne]

"Ramon Fregado Herrera" wrote in message
news:9f4c5361-790d-467a...@r7g2000yqr.googlegroups.com...

Well, the Nazi salute isn't any worse that that black power bullshit salute
some years back in, was it Mexico City?

Neither have a place in the Olympics, but neither should be illegal.

[Wayne]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
news:98en181jaein182jf...@4ax.com...

# Giving a nazi salute.

True. Except perhaps by the squirrely-assed UK "hate" or "anti-social"
laws.

[David Geiger]

Yoorghis wrote in message news:tcsn189e7ct5ns8qr...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 02:51:07 -0700 (PDT), Jay Herblock
<jayhe...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I suppose instead of convicting the guy of a racially aggravated offense,
>> they could have gotten him on their "anti-social offense" laws.
>
>The brits have become so communized that they will probably still be
>peeing in their pants two generations on at the mention of anything
>german.

Then again, just 3 planes a few years ago set us off on a paranoia
that hasn't been seen here since Dec 7, 1941.
>^^^

4 (not 3) planes, and 11 years ago.
So again I ask, what YOU would do if you were needed to defend yourself or
others, if you wanted to, and had the need/desire to do so?
The "attacks" of 9/11 never made a spit of difference to me, nor had they
made me, and/or millions of others paranoid like you claimed.

Why are you spinning like a top, trying to move the Olympic goal posts?

[John B.]

On Aug 2, 1:42 pm, Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>

> >> WTF?  What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones".  Looks like
> >> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> >> express yourself.
>

> > Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> > are protesting for the company also have free speech.
>

> Of course. The three liberal Mayors who vowed to block Chicfila business
> should be tossed out of office.
>
> The press did not go after them.

Go after them? What does that mean?

[John B.]

On Aug 2, 7:46 pm, Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <oobl18lbo1i9t5a7uj6ldp5rmbjnmhe...@4ax.com>,

>
> >> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> >> are protesting for the company also have free speech.
>

> > The real issue is that government officials are attempting to censor
> > speech. Emanuel, Menimo and others should be impeached.
>
> It could not be more clear how liberals and the media feel about free
> speech. They don't like it.
>
> Back in the day liberals stood against, "The Man."  Now we see what happens
> when they become the man.  These people have flipped 540 degrees and become
> the scourge of Liberty.
>
> They should be shamed and ridiculed. They are traitors to every cause, but
> their own.

Wow, you are right out of your fucking mind.

[WangoTango]

In article <jvf5pg$cl7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
says...

>
>
> "WangoTango" wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a84acda1...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>
> In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> says...
> >
> >

> > "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> > news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >

> > >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
> >

> > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined

> >
> > >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> >
> > >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> > >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
> > >aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that his
> > >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
> >
> > >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> > >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> > >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> > >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> > >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> > >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
> >

> > WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
> > like
> > UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> > express yourself.
>

> # Now that's comparing apples to accordions.
> # Sure the Chicken man has the right to say anything he wants.
> # People also have the right to ridicule him for it, or to not eat at his
> # business because of it. Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from
> # repercussions.

>
> Depends on the repercussions. Not eating at the restaurant is fine.
> Attempting to influence others to destroy the business and the owner is
> bullshit.

Why? Isn't using force to implement change a valid strategy?
Sometimes the only way to get some people to take notice is to apply a
little force.

>
> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> speech.

No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.

[otter]

On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>

> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-bask...

I'm no fan of fascists, but this does seem to be a rather severe
penalty for raising your hand. I'm surprised there is such a law in
Great Britain. On the other hand, they did take a pounding during the
war, and I'm sure feelings run deep.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Aug 3, 6:43 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Not sure. I have to think about it. Are the Olympics a public or a
private event?

If the Nazis bring flags and try to steal the show I would DEFINITELY
ban them.

-Ramon

[Wayne]

"WangoTango" wrote in message
news:MPG.2a85c35b3...@news.east.earthlink.net...

# Why? Isn't using force to implement change a valid strategy?
# Sometimes the only way to get some people to take notice is to apply a
# little force.

"Using force to implement change a valid strategy?" Sometimes, yes. But,
not in this case. It was a guy giving his opinion. Don't like it, don't
eat at his restaurant, don't talk to him, turn off the TV if you see him.

But, organizing as a group to destroy the corporation? That's bullshit.

>
> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> speech.

# No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
# You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
# for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.

Well, 3 weeks ago, Obama had the exact same position as Dan Cathy. You
didn't see a bunch of dipshits trying to burn down Obama's government.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Aug 3, 6:43 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I have never been the Olympics top boss AND am not running 4 prez...

Why haven't the IDIOT journalists asked him?

Oh, never mind!! I know why! Like Mrs. Palin, he only grants
interviews to Faux and other pimp media.

-Ramon

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Aug 3, 6:41 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >On Aug 2, 8:03 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> >> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >> >On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
> >> ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me
> >> > > this is as wrong as anything can be. Who did this guy harm?
> >> > > I said harm - not offend.
>
> >> >Let's say a man takes out his Johnson out during mass. It is highly
> >> >offensive (non-harming) behavior.
>
> >> >Let's say a person makes disgusting noises or farts in a restaurant...
>
> >> >People should have a minimum of CIVILIZED behavior.
>
> >> >We need to cut hatred in the bud.
>
> >> So you DON'T believe in free speech.
>
> >> I see.
>


>>You don't seem to understand what free speech is about.
>
> I think that's the other way around. You are the one who has no
idea
> what it's about.

The 2nd. bans speech impediments BY GOVERNMENT. When Mr. Romney was in
charge, was he GOVERNMENT or PRIVATE BUSINESS?

The Red Sox may prohibit cheering the New York Yankees in Fenway Park,
and -contrary to your misguided beliefs- that would NOT be a 2nd.
Amendment issue.

-Ramon

"People are SUPPOSED to hate ideas - It is called Freedom of Speech."

- Ramon F. Herrera, August 3, 2012

[David Geiger]

"Ramon F. Herrera" wrote in message
news:6bd02c44-6e60-4d91...@z11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

<^^^^

Heh!

You are not sure about ANYTHING, are you?

[Moderate]

Treat them like they treat Republicans.

[Wayne]

"WangoTango" wrote in message
news:MPG.2a85c35b3...@news.east.earthlink.net...

#Why? Isn't using force to implement change a valid strategy?
#Sometimes the only way to get some people to take notice is to apply a
#little force.

>
> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> speech.

# No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
# You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
# for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.

OK, how about this story. Guy goes through the Chic drive through, orders
free water, berates the window employee, videotapes the event and posts on
the internet.
Guy then loses his job as chief financial officer of a medical equipment
manufacturer.

Was the punishment justified under your "free speech has consequences"
theory?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/03/viral-video-man-picking-on-chick-fil-worker-gets-him-fired/

[BAR]

In article <4deb00fe-c544-4131-aeb3-f53e249519a5
@j8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Aug 2, 1:42ï¿œpm, Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> > Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >

> > >> WTF? ï¿œWhat ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". ï¿œLooks like

> > >> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
> > >> express yourself.
> >
> > > Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> > > are protesting for the company also have free speech.
> >
> > Of course. The three liberal Mayors who vowed to block Chicfila business
> > should be tossed out of office.
> >
> > The press did not go after them.
>
> Go after them? What does that mean?

For trying to censor free speech.

The ACLU should be on Chick-fil-A's side in this issue where government
officials are trying to censor the speech citizens.

[BAR]

In article <ed26d8e9-bc60-4261-ac2b-0e1967dccb70
@u17g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, john...@gmail.com says...

>
> On Aug 2, 7:46ï¿œpm, Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> > BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > > In article <oobl18lbo1i9t5a7uj6ldp5rmbjnmhe...@4ax.com>,
> >
> > >> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
> > >> are protesting for the company also have free speech.
> >
> > > The real issue is that government officials are attempting to censor
> > > speech. Emanuel, Menimo and others should be impeached.
> >
> > It could not be more clear how liberals and the media feel about free
> > speech. They don't like it.
> >

> > Back in the day liberals stood against, "The Man." ï¿œNow we see what happens
> > when they become the man. ï¿œThese people have flipped 540 degrees and become

> > the scourge of Liberty.
> >
> > They should be shamed and ridiculed. They are traitors to every cause, but
> > their own.
>
> Wow, you are right out of your fucking mind.

You are intellectually dishonest.

[First.Post]

Yeah yeah, sure sure, your little show of force has resulted in Chik
Fil A breaking all time sales records.
Keep up the good work.

[BAR]

In article <jvh2nn$3e5$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net

Yes, there is no free speech right when you are employed by someone
else.

Even the "journalists" have to answer to the publisher of their
respective rags.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jvh2nn$3e5$1...@dont-email.me...

>
>
> "WangoTango" wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a85c35b3...@news.east.earthlink.net...

> # No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
> # You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
> # for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.
>
> OK, how about this story. Guy goes through the Chic drive through, orders
> free water, berates the window employee, videotapes the event and posts on
> the internet.
> Guy then loses his job as chief financial officer of a medical equipment
> manufacturer.
>
> Was the punishment justified under your "free speech has consequences"
> theory?
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/03/viral-video-man-picking-on-chick-fil-worker-gets-him-fired/

Glad to see that the idiot was fired.
A company has a right to expect a certain level of public behavior from
senior staff

[David Geiger]

Yoorghis wrote in denial.... message
news:kobo18h65j4dp7jur...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:05:07 -0400, "David Geiger"
<Burni...@bass.gov> wrote:

>>The brits have become so communized that they will probably still be
>>peeing in their pants two generations on at the mention of anything
>>german.
>
>Then again, just 3 planes a few years ago set us off on a paranoia
>that hasn't been seen here since Dec 7, 1941.
>>^^^
>
>4 (not 3) planes, and 11 years ago.

>So again I ask, what YOU would do if you were needed to defend yourself or
>others, if you wanted to, and had the need/desire to do so?

Stop fucking around backing regimes that are as nasty and murderous as
the ones you say are enemies.


>^^^

I KNEW you wouldn't and could not answer my question!
You are so very typical and "special"!
That is why you ARE SO STUPID and retarded!

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On Aug 3, 12:27 pm, "David Geiger" <BurningI...@bass.gov> wrote:
> "Ramon F. Herrera"  wrote in messagenews:6bd02c44-6e60-4d91...@z11g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

> Not sure. I have to think about it. Are the Olympics a public or a
> private event?
>
> If the Nazis bring flags and try to steal the show I would DEFINITELY
> ban them.
>
> <^^^^
>
> Heh!
>
> You are not sure about ANYTHING, are you?

Au contraire! I am HIGHLY opinionated. I could make a living selling
opinions.

-Ramon

[Howard Brazee]

On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:44:37 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>>The brits have become so communized that they will probably still be
>>peeing in their pants two generations on at the mention of anything
>>german.
>
>Then again, just 3 planes a few years ago set us off on a paranoia
>that hasn't been seen here since Dec 7, 1941.
>

>Imagine that on a daily basis for years.

Terrorism didn't work against the Brits then. We are a very
different people in the U.S. today - bin Laden got pretty much the
response he wanted. (Well, he would have preferred we attacked Saudi
Arabia, but Iraq was almost as desirable).

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

[Wayne]

wrote in message news:t1co18du3fb0jodd9...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 08:57:46 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Well, the Nazi salute isn't any worse that that black power bullshit salute
>some years back in, was it Mexico City?

# You're not serious?

# YOu don't see anything different between a gesture that accompanied 7
# million Deaths in WW2, and a gesture of defiance for the 300 years of
# institutionalized slavery, segregation and maltreatment of a group of
# American people?

I am absolutely serious. Neither has any place whatsoever being in the
Olympics.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

I don't know about you, but I'm not in the UK, and couldn't give a
shit about any UK laws.

But it's clear Ramon hates the First Amendment.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Aug 3, 6:41 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >On Aug 2, 8:03 pm, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>> >> >On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>> >> ><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > > I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me
>> >> > > this is as wrong as anything can be. Who did this guy harm?
>> >> > > I said harm - not offend.
>>
>> >> >Let's say a man takes out his Johnson out during mass. It is highly
>> >> >offensive (non-harming) behavior.
>>
>> >> >Let's say a person makes disgusting noises or farts in a restaurant...
>>
>> >> >People should have a minimum of CIVILIZED behavior.
>>
>> >> >We need to cut hatred in the bud.
>>
>> >> So you DON'T believe in free speech.
>>
>> >> I see.
>>
>
>
> >>You don't seem to understand what free speech is about.
> >
> > I think that's the other way around. You are the one who has no
>idea
> > what it's about.
>
>The 2nd. bans speech impediments BY GOVERNMENT.

Um, no, the 2nd guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. I rest my
case. You're as ignorant as a fucking squirrel.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Aug 3, 6:43 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >Hasn't anybody asked Romney:
>>
>> >"If you were in charge of Olympic Games, would you allow Nazi
>> >salutes?"
>>
> > Would you disallow it?
>
>Not sure.

Hmmmmm. Like I said, you must hate free speech.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Aug 3, 6:43 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>> >"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>> >Hasn't anybody asked Romney:
>>
>> >"If you were in charge of Olympic Games, would you allow Nazi
>> >salutes?"
>>
>
> > Would you disallow it?
>
>I have never been the Olympics top boss AND am not running 4 prez...

Beautiful non-answer.

>Why haven't the IDIOT journalists asked him?

Did you skip English classes at MIT?

>Oh, never mind!! I know why! Like Mrs. Palin, he only grants
>interviews to Faux and other pimp media.

The only pimp here is you.

________

"People are SUPPOSED to hate ideas - It is called Freedom of Speech."

- Ramon F. Herrera, June 21, 2012

[Wayne]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message

news:copo185go1qfb9hr0...@4ax.com...

>"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" wrote in message
>news:98en181jaein182jf...@4ax.com...
>
>>Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>
>>On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:03:31 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>
>>>>On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"
>>>><xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> > I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me
>>>> > this is as wrong as anything can be. Who did this guy harm?
>>>> > I said harm - not offend.
>>>>
>>>>Let's say a man takes out his Johnson out during mass. It is highly
>>>>offensive (non-harming) behavior.
>>>>
>>>>Let's say a person makes disgusting noises or farts in a restaurant...
>>>>
>>>>People should have a minimum of CIVILIZED behavior.
>>>>
>>>>We need to cut hatred in the bud.
>>>
>>>So you DON'T believe in free speech.
>>
>>Name any "right" you have that is NOT regulated and/or controlled.
>
># Giving a nazi salute.
>
>True. Except perhaps by the squirrely-assed UK "hate" or "anti-social"
>laws.

# I don't know about you, but I'm not in the UK, and couldn't give a
# shit about any UK laws.

Just pointing out that a nazi salute is not against the law (currently) in
the US, but apparently is in the UK where the event occurred.

# But it's clear Ramon hates the First Amendment.

That is for sure. He believes in tolerance as long as you agree with him.

[Gray Guest]

"SaPeIsMa" <Sape...@gmail.com> wrote in news:jvh671$oib$1...@dont-email.me:

But as usual, the college doesn't have any stamdards.

--
Refusenik #1

[George Plimpton]

On 8/2/2012 7:07 PM, Unemployed Limbaugh Minion wrote:

> On Aug 2, 12:47 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>

>>> WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks like
>>> UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
>>> express yourself.
>>

>> Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
>> are protesting for the company also have free speech.
>
>

> No! There are uncountable Republicans who maintain that those left
> wing crazy "Occupy Wall Street" asses should have been shot by the
> National Guard,

No, there aren't.

[George Plimpton]

On 8/2/2012 8:52 AM, Wayne wrote:
>
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> "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
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>> I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
>> anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>

>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined
>>
>
>> guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
>
>> A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
>> match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
>> aggravated offence at the Games and fined �2,500. He was told that his
>> behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
>
>> Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
>> Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
>> match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
>> Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
>> manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
>> style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
>

> WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
> like UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you
> can't express yourself.

You would not believe the restrictions on speech our ostensibly "liberal
democratic" allies in western Europe maintain. When American leftists
express their deep love for Europe, it isn't just their socialized
medicine and greater overall government involvement in the economy
they're admiring - it's their aggressive suppression of free expression,
too.

[Why are people so cruel]

"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
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[KenPitts]

On Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:14:02 PM UTC-5, Wayne wrote:
> "Howard Brazee" wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 08:52:04 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>

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> wrote:
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>
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> >WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
>
> >like
>
> >UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you can't
>
> >express yourself.
>
>
>

> # Of course, the people protesting against the company, and those who
>
> # are protesting for the company also have free speech.
>
>
>
> True. But the protests against the company are attempting to influence
>
> others to harm the company.

The only opinion that was being suppressed was that of Don Cathy, the Chick Fil-A executive. Chick Fil-A Appreciation Day merely showed support for the company in the face of the abortive boycott. The meager counter-protests were also not suppressed in any way.

Ken

[Jack Spratley]

On Aug 3, 1:28 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <jvfndh$ns...@dont-email.me>,
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>
>
>
>  "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
> >news:alangbaker-17229...@news.shawcable.net...
> > > In article <jvfmnj$l5...@dont-email.me>,
> > > "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > >> "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
> > >>news:alangbaker-66F6F...@news.shawcable.net...
> > >> > In article <m0mm18h68pkm9766busa9gpq2kna6qo...@4ax.com>,
> > >> > Yoorg...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>
> > >> >> On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 20:30:14 -0700, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net>
> > >> >> wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all.  It is a question
> > >> >> >> of
> > >> >> >> free
> > >> >> >> speech.
>

> > >> >> >It is absolutely a question of free speech...
>
> > >> >> >...and I will tell anyone who will listen that I don't think they
> > >> >> >should
> > >> >> >put money in the pocket of anyone who would say such a thing.
>
> > >> >> >And that is free speech too.
>
> > >> >> Too true.
>
> > >> >> However, speech is not unlimited.
>
> > >> >> It is a "right" that has limits, and there are laws that abound to
> > >> >> temper it.
>
> > >> > And those limits should be extremely narrow.
>
> > >> The limits of free speech should be extremely narrow, or the limits of
> > >> those
> > >> laws that restrict it?
>
> > >> I ask because it's not clear which you mean.
>
> > > I suggest you read a little more closely.
>
> > Well, that's what I was reading, but I couldn't believe that you would be so
> > anti-freedom.
>
> > > The only "limits" mentioned were limits on free speech, and I think
> > > those limits should be narrow.
>
> > So free speech should be highly limited, and most subjects and topics should
> > be prohibited to talk about?
>
> Really: you should learn to read.
>
> As I said--twice now--it is the LIMITS which should be narrow.

Obviously you don't know what LIMITS means. Time to dig out a
dictionary and read if you can.

[Tom Del Rosso]

George Plimpton wrote:
>
> You would not believe the restrictions on speech our ostensibly
> "liberal democratic" allies in western Europe maintain. When
> American leftists express their deep love for Europe, it isn't just
> their socialized medicine and greater overall government involvement
> in the economy they're admiring - it's their aggressive suppression
> of free expression, too.

Once people start using the government to fix personal problems, they
inevitably use it as a bully bodyguard to get revenge for personal slights.

Left-wingers often cite things like police and fire services as if they
represent the same paradigm of government as social services. They're
completely different, because you put out fires to keep them from spreading
to your house - not for charity - and communities have been putting out
fires together since they existed. But using the government to chastise
people who offend you is a natural part of the paradigm in which government
is a protective parent.


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[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

On Aug 3, 10:28 am, otter <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 10:07 pm, "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year"

>
> <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
>

> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-bask...
>
> I'm no fan of fascists, but this does seem to be a rather severe
> penalty for raising your hand.  I'm surprised there is such a law in
> Great Britain. On the other hand, they did take a pounding during the
> war, and I'm sure feelings run deep.

[Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year]

War??? That ended nearly 70 years ago. They can't use that as an
excuse for doing this.

[WangoTango]

In article <jvgvpg$go7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
says...

>
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> "WangoTango" wrote in message
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> In article <jvf5pg$cl7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> says...
> >
> >

> > "WangoTango" wrote in message

> > news:MPG.2a84acda1...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> >
> > In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> > says...
> > >
> > >

> > > "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> > > news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > > >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
> > >

> > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined
> > >
> > > >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> > >
> > > >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> > > >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially
> > > >aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that his
> > > >behaviour and that of other Lithuanian fans was "despicable".
> > >
> > > >Petras Lescinskas, 36, an accountant from Lithuania, was arrested on
> > > >Tuesday at the Olympic basketball arena during the Lithuania-Nigeria
> > > >match. Stratford magistrates court was told that he and other
> > > >Lithuanian supporters had been behaving in such a loud and aggressive
> > > >manner that other spectators moved away from them. There were "monkey-
> > > >style noises when Nigerian players had the ball", the court heard.
> > >

> > > WTF? What ever happened to free speech and "sticks and stones". Looks
> > > like
> > > UK has incorporated into law the anti-Chick-Fil-A mentality.....you
> > > can't
> > > express yourself.
> >

> > # Now that's comparing apples to accordions.
> > # Sure the Chicken man has the right to say anything he wants.
> > # People also have the right to ridicule him for it, or to not eat at his
> > # business because of it. Freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from
> > # repercussions.
> >
> > Depends on the repercussions. Not eating at the restaurant is fine.
> > Attempting to influence others to destroy the business and the owner is
> > bullshit.
>

> # Why? Isn't using force to implement change a valid strategy?
> # Sometimes the only way to get some people to take notice is to apply a
> # little force.
>
> "Using force to implement change a valid strategy?" Sometimes, yes. But,
> not in this case. It was a guy giving his opinion. Don't like it, don't
> eat at his restaurant, don't talk to him, turn off the TV if you see him.
>
> But, organizing as a group to destroy the corporation? That's bullshit.
Why?
The Union Army sure put a lot of businesses out of business when they
took their work force away.
Ever see one of the sit ins during the 50's and 60's???

>
> >
> > It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> > speech.
>

> # No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
> # You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
> # for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.
>

> Well, 3 weeks ago, Obama had the exact same position as Dan Cathy. You
> didn't see a bunch of dipshits trying to burn down Obama's government.

Really? You must not live here.
There are thousands of dipshits trying to burn down his government.

[WangoTango]

In article <jvh2nn$3e5$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net

> #Why? Isn't using force to implement change a valid strategy?
> #Sometimes the only way to get some people to take notice is to apply a
> #little force.
>
> >

> > It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of free
> > speech.
>
> # No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
> # You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
> # for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.
>

> OK, how about this story. Guy goes through the Chic drive through, orders
> free water, berates the window employee, videotapes the event and posts on
> the internet.
> Guy then loses his job as chief financial officer of a medical equipment
> manufacturer.
>
> Was the punishment justified under your "free speech has consequences"
> theory?

Well, he didn't have the right to enter their property and then rant.
That's trespass, and he got bitch slapped for it. Good.
Freedom of speech does not mean you can violate property rights to do
it. No part of freedom of speech means forces others to listen.

[WangoTango]

In article <jvh671$oib$1...@dont-email.me>, Sape...@gmail.com says...

Got EXACTLY what he deserved.

[WangoTango]

In article <cm4o18tuv8lmvad6n...@4ax.com>,
Liberals...@invalid.com says...

> On Fri, 3 Aug 2012 12:16:17 -0400, WangoTango
> <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <jvf5pg$cl7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> >says...
> >>
> >>

> >> "WangoTango" wrote in message

> >Why? Isn't using force to implement change a valid strategy?

> >Sometimes the only way to get some people to take notice is to apply a

> >little force.
>
> Yeah yeah, sure sure, your little show of force has resulted in Chik
> Fil A breaking all time sales records.
> Keep up the good work.
Not *MY* force.
You assume a lot from a post about free speech...

[Wayne]

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>
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> "WangoTango" wrote in message
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> In article <jvf5pg$cl7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> says...
> >
> >
> > "WangoTango" wrote in message
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> >
> > In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> > says...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> > > news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > > >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
> > >
> > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined
> > >
> > > >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> > >
> > > >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> > > >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially

> > > >aggravated offence at the Games and fined ￜ2,500. He was told that

# Why?
# The Union Army sure put a lot of businesses out of business when they
# took their work force away.
# Ever see one of the sit ins during the 50's and 60's???

Why? Because it is anarchy. And the sit ins were bullshit also. Didn't
accomplish anything that wouldn't have happened anyway.

>
> >
> > It is not a homosexual "marriage" issue at all. It is a question of
> > free
> > speech.
>
> # No, it isn't. No one's right to free speech has been violated.
> # You just want the right to say what you want and have no responsibility
> # for what comes out of your mouth. The two are mutually exclusive.
>
> Well, 3 weeks ago, Obama had the exact same position as Dan Cathy. You
> didn't see a bunch of dipshits trying to burn down Obama's government.

# Really? You must not live here.
# There are thousands of dipshits trying to burn down his government.

The point is that Obama had (and has) the opinion that marriage is between a
man and a woman. The pro-gay libtards didn't attack him for his position.
They are too immersed in the Obama Koolaid to object.

[Wayne]

wrote in message news:8l3128hllh6rlkumj...@4ax.com...

On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:35:19 -0700, "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>The point is that Obama had (and has) the opinion that marriage is between
>a
>man and a woman. The pro-gay libtards didn't attack him for his position.
>They are too immersed in the Obama Koolaid to object.

# As a personal opinion

That never stopped libtards from attacking a conservative with the identical
personal opinion.

[WangoTango]

In article <jvpns8$br5$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net

says...
>
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> In article <jvgvpg$go7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> says...
> >
> >
> > "WangoTango" wrote in message
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> > In article <jvf5pg$cl7$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> > says...
> > >
> > >
> > > "WangoTango" wrote in message
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> > >
> > > In article <jve7n8$aeb$1...@dont-email.me>, mygarb...@verizon.net
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year" wrote in message
> > > > news:c692a0c5-0022-4987...@w8g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >I know liberals love this sort of thing but to me this is as wrong as
> > > > >anything can be. Who did this guy harm? I said harm - not offend.
> > > >
> > > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/01/olympics-nazi-salute-basketball-match-fined
> > > >
> > > > >guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 1 August 2012 15.47 EDT
> > > >
> > > > >A Lithuanian man who gave a Nazi salute during an Olympic basketball
> > > > >match has become the first person to be convicted of a racially

> > > > >aggravated offence at the Games and fined £2,500. He was told that

OK, but *I* don't give a shit about anything but the situation we were
conversing about. Dragging the topic around is fine, but it is at that
point that I don't care to continue. BTW, it works on both sides of any
issue when "followers" are involved. Romney said he was "Pro-Choice",
but you don't hear the followers bitching about that. This is not a
recent phenomenon. The whole us vs them mentality is all part of the
smoke screen so the commoners don't notice that there REALLY isn't any
difference or "change" going to happen, no matter who gets voted in.