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 More options Apr 29 2012, 9:54 am
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From: Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
Date: 29 Apr 2012 13:54:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Why do you want Obama re-elected?
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:44:44 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <pan.2012.04.29.13.16...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:58:52 -0400, BAR wrote:
>>> In article <pan.2012.04.29.10.34...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:17:23 -0700, kenpitts wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 28, 9:07 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:24:22 -0400, "Frank Ketchum"
>>>>>> <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Democrats are orders of magnitude worse.

>>>>>>>> No, Frank. They're the same.

>>>>>>> Hmmmm, 10 trillion dollars of debt through the first 220 years
>>>>>>> of our history.  5 trillion dollars of debt through the first 3
>>>>>>> years of Obama.

>>>>>>> Or another way, 10 trillion dollars of debt through the first 43
>>>>>>> presidents 5 trillion dollars of debt throught the first 3 years
>>>>>>> of the 44th.

>>>>>> Most every administration has people showing such numbers, as
>>>>>> though the spending was the president's job.     And using
>>>>>> absolute dollars, they are correct, as each time the GDP is
>>>>>> bigger.    Graph the debt to GDP ratio and show that one party is
>>>>>> better or worse than the other.

>>>>>> At least we have some data to see how well austerity works in
>>>>>> Europe.  And we have data to see how well tax cuts have worked or
>>>>>> failed at decreasing our debt.

>>>>> Reagan cut the top marginal tax rates from over 70% to under 30%.
>>>>> Receipts still almost doubled during his two terms. The problem is
>>>>> and has always been over spending.

>>>> Clinton brought in way more money than Reagan, and at a higher rate
>>>> of gain. We've been over this. Your own cite disproved your
>>>> bullshit.

>>> The problem is spending.

>> The problem is bullshit economic theories that have no basis in
>> reality.  But now that you mention it, the Republicans are just as
>> gifted as the Democrats at wasting money.

> What non-bullshit economic theories do you propose we should follow?

I would like to see the government spend way, way less than they are
now. I would like to see taxes go up until we get to the point that the
national debt is no longer a threat to destroy the economy. I would like
voters to accept that these steps are necessary to prevent the US
economy from sliding into collapse, that this new austerity would need
to last for a decade at least, etc. Basically, it's time to pay down the
credit card.

This will never happen, obviously. Instead we'll have both sides
screeching at each other like a bunch of demented monkeys as the whole
damned thing implodes.


 
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