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la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 18, 2012, 6:34:21 PM7/18/12
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'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=al&promo_code=F7FA-1
Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation bashing...
Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
Larry
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=al&promo_code=F7FA-1
Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation bashing...
Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
Larry
Alan Baker
Jul 18, 2012, 6:45:52 PM7/18/12
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In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
tax returns, you'd be screaming:
"WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
:-)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
tax returns, you'd be screaming:
"WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
:-)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 7:10:09 PM7/18/12
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Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>
>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>
>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
>> be outspent by a challenger.
>>
>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>
>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
>> bashing...
>>
>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>
>> Larry
>
> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>
> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>
> :-)
Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>
>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>
>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
>> be outspent by a challenger.
>>
>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>
>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
>> bashing...
>>
>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>
>> Larry
>
> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>
> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>
> :-)
refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
tax records?
Obama should be fired :-)
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 18, 2012, 7:16:27 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
I think that both should release these records. The first one who
does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
hypocrite.
wrote:
does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
hypocrite.
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 7:55:29 PM7/18/12
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Has Romney asked for Obama's transcripts?
Obama is the hypocrite.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 8:40:11 PM7/18/12
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In article <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them. There
clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot grasp. Quelle
surprise.
records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them. There
clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot grasp. Quelle
surprise.
BAR
Jul 18, 2012, 8:43:00 PM7/18/12
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In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
release my transcripts.
bkn...@conramp.net says...
release my transcripts.
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 8:50:10 PM7/18/12
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William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> In article <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
President needs an alias, just release the records.
> In article <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
>>
>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
>> refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
>> tax records?
>>
>> Obama should be fired :-)
>
> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them. There
> clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot grasp. Quelle
> surprise.
OK, let's see Barry Soetoro's tax records. Don't bother to explain why the
>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
>> refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
>> tax records?
>>
>> Obama should be fired :-)
>
> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them. There
> clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot grasp. Quelle
> surprise.
President needs an alias, just release the records.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 18, 2012, 8:55:28 PM7/18/12
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:10:09 PM UTC-7, Moderate wrote:
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> >> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> >>
> >> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
> >> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
> >> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
> >> be outspent by a challenger.
> >>
> >> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
> >> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> >>
> >> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
> >> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
> >> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
> >> bashing...
> >>
> >> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> > And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> >
> > "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> >
> > :-)
And America has paid an immense price. I could list some of it, including the loss of half the equity in our homes and 20+ million jobs.
Lets fix it.
Larry
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> >> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> >>
> >> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
> >> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
> >> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
> >> be outspent by a challenger.
> >>
> >> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
> >> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> >>
> >> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
> >> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
> >> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
> >> bashing...
> >>
> >> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> >>
> >> Larry
> >
> > And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> >
> > "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> >
> > :-)
>
> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> tax records?
>
> Obama should be fired :-)
Yep, and why on Earth was he hired? Because he was Black, our collective guilt complex over slavery prompted liberals and academics to simply skip the normal vetting process that ensures that a candidate is qualified. They didn't CARE! And despite continuous warnings from millions like me, they elected someone on "hope," even though they absolutely knew he couldn't do the job. The same people who would have screamed if their university had promoted someone to President who had not proven his ability elsewhere, urged us to elect Obama, a person who was not qualified to be the 4th level below a president, not even Attorney General or one of his assistants.
> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> tax records?
>
> Obama should be fired :-)
And America has paid an immense price. I could list some of it, including the loss of half the equity in our homes and 20+ million jobs.
Lets fix it.
Larry
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 18, 2012, 8:57:45 PM7/18/12
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, BAR wrote:
> In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
> > >>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
> > >>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
> > >>> be outspent by a challenger.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
> > >>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
> > >>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
> > >>> bashing...
> > >>>
> > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > >>>
> > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > >> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >>
> > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > >Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > >refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > >tax records?
> > >
> > >Obama should be fired :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that both should release these records. The first one who
> > does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
> > hypocrite.
>
> Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> release my transcripts.
Actually that request of Romney is just a political hit. He did release 20 years of tax records when he ran for Senate several years ago. They know there is nothing there.
But this does give Romney the opportunity to say, "let
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, BAR wrote:
> In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
> > >>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
> > >>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
> > >>> be outspent by a challenger.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
> > >>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
> > >>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
> > >>> bashing...
> > >>>
> > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > >>>
> > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > >> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >>
> > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > >Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > >refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > >tax records?
> > >
> > >Obama should be fired :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that both should release these records. The first one who
> > does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
> > hypocrite.
>
> Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> release my transcripts.
> In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> > >>
> > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
> > >>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
> > >>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
> > >>> be outspent by a challenger.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
> > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > >>>
> > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
> > >>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
> > >>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
> > >>> bashing...
> > >>>
> > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > >>>
> > >>> Larry
> > >>
> > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > >> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >>
> > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > >Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > >refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > >tax records?
> > >
> > >Obama should be fired :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that both should release these records. The first one who
> > does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
> > hypocrite.
>
> Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> release my transcripts.
Actually that request of Romney is just a political hit. He did release 20 years of tax records when he ran for Senate several years ago. They know there is nothing there.
But this does give Romney the opportunity to say, "let
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:43:00 PM UTC-7, BAR wrote:
> In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> > >>
> > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
> > >>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
> > >>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
> > >>> be outspent by a challenger.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
> > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > >>>
> > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
> > >>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
> > >>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
> > >>> bashing...
> > >>>
> > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > >>>
> > >>> Larry
> > >>
> > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > >> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >>
> > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > >Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > >refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > >tax records?
> > >
> > >Obama should be fired :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that both should release these records. The first one who
> > does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
> > hypocrite.
>
> Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> release my transcripts.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 8:59:56 PM7/18/12
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In article <1177665566364348012.6...@news.aioe.org>,
Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
from running for POTUS.
He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
from running for POTUS.
He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 9:06:48 PM7/18/12
to
the President have an alias and why has he not released Barry's tax
returns?
BAR
Jul 18, 2012, 9:09:31 PM7/18/12
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In article <clark-F50298....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 9:21:23 PM7/18/12
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In article <MPG.2a71285...@news.giganews.com>,
Different from Dubya's indiscretions, though, in that Obama was never
charged or prosecuted for any crime - unlike Dubya, and perhaps unlike
Mitten if the Swiss bank fiasco turns out the way it might.
charged or prosecuted for any crime - unlike Dubya, and perhaps unlike
Mitten if the Swiss bank fiasco turns out the way it might.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 9:22:09 PM7/18/12
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In article <2051446118364352590.8...@news.aioe.org>,
There is "question" from the wingnuts, but no actual evidence. This
case, though, might turn out to be very different.
case, though, might turn out to be very different.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 9:23:32 PM7/18/12
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In article <MPG.2a71222...@news.giganews.com>,
"Could"? But you know deep down that he absolutely won't. Otherwise walk
up to Harvard and call Lawrence Tribe a liar. That should get you enough
legal problems to see you out.
up to Harvard and call Lawrence Tribe a liar. That should get you enough
legal problems to see you out.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 9:24:39 PM7/18/12
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In article <1804094687364351615.5...@news.aioe.org>,
Well, "don't bother to explain" how you missed out on an IQ at birth.
The fact that you did is clear to us all.
The fact that you did is clear to us all.
Howard Brazee
Jul 18, 2012, 9:26:05 PM7/18/12
to
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
<cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
>releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
>while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
>public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
>Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
>and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
>recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
>from running for POTUS.
I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
<cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
>releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
>while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
>public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
>Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
>and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
>recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
>from running for POTUS.
has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
and where his money was invested.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 9:29:39 PM7/18/12
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William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> In article <2051446118364352590.8...@news.aioe.org>,.
weight. LOL
> In article <2051446118364352590.8...@news.aioe.org>,.
>>
>> There is a question about whether Barry or Barak broke the law. Why does
>> the President have an alias and why has he not released Barry's tax
>> returns?
>
> There is "question" from the wingnuts, but no actual evidence. This
> case, though, might turn out to be very different.
Right, because when you make an accusation with no evidence it carry's
>> There is a question about whether Barry or Barak broke the law. Why does
>> the President have an alias and why has he not released Barry's tax
>> returns?
>
> There is "question" from the wingnuts, but no actual evidence. This
> case, though, might turn out to be very different.
weight. LOL
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 9:31:46 PM7/18/12
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Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
>> releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
>> while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
>> public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
>> Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
>> and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
>> recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
>> from running for POTUS.
>
> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> and where his money was invested.
What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
>> releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
>> while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
>> public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
>> Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
>> and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
>> recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
>> from running for POTUS.
>
> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> and where his money was invested.
records or transcripts?
Alan Baker
Jul 18, 2012, 9:47:39 PM7/18/12
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On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:31:46 PM UTC-7, Moderate wrote:
> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> > <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
> >> releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
> >> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
> >> while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
> >> public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
> >> Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
> >> and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
> >> recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
> >> from running for POTUS.
> >
> > I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > and where his money was invested.
He has released his tax returns; going back to 2000. Pretending he hasn't just makes you look like a fanatic.
He doesn't have to release his transcripts. He graduated magna cum laude from your country's most prestigious law school. Pretending you don't understand the significance of that just makes you look like a fanatic.
Face it: if the shoe were on the other foot--if a Democratic candidate was the one who only release two years of tax returns, you'd be all over it.
> Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> > <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
> >> releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
> >> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
> >> while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
> >> public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
> >> Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
> >> and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
> >> recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
> >> from running for POTUS.
> >
> > I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > and where his money was invested.
>
> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> records or transcripts?
He doesn't have an alias. Pretending he does just makes you look like a fanatic.
> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> records or transcripts?
He has released his tax returns; going back to 2000. Pretending he hasn't just makes you look like a fanatic.
He doesn't have to release his transcripts. He graduated magna cum laude from your country's most prestigious law school. Pretending you don't understand the significance of that just makes you look like a fanatic.
Face it: if the shoe were on the other foot--if a Democratic candidate was the one who only release two years of tax returns, you'd be all over it.
Moderate
Jul 18, 2012, 10:04:07 PM7/18/12
to
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 10:21:30 PM7/18/12
to
In article <846544426364353993.47...@news.aioe.org>,
Not an accusation, merely outlining a scenario. We will see what the
"evidence" is when Mitten releases his entire 2010 tax return, not just
the parts he chooses.
"evidence" is when Mitten releases his entire 2010 tax return, not just
the parts he chooses.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 10:22:27 PM7/18/12
to
In article <2066149176364354209.4...@news.aioe.org>,
My theory is that you are just a deluded zealot who has not one shred of
evidence for this nonsense.
evidence for this nonsense.
William Clark
Jul 18, 2012, 10:23:06 PM7/18/12
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Howard Brazee
Jul 18, 2012, 10:24:57 PM7/18/12
to
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>> and where his money was invested.
>
>What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
>records or transcripts?
My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
business record is an important issue.
Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
issues for this election.
wrote:
>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>> and where his money was invested.
>
>What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
>records or transcripts?
records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
business record is an important issue.
Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
issues for this election.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 18, 2012, 10:34:47 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:55:29 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
Only in the eyes of the weak minded like you.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 18, 2012, 10:40:08 PM7/18/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:06:48 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
>
alias can you prove?
wrote:
>
>There is a question about whether Barry or Barak broke the law. Why does
>the President have an alias and why has he not released Barry's tax
>returns?
Why do you keep repeating a rumor that has no basis in fact? What
>the President have an alias and why has he not released Barry's tax
>returns?
alias can you prove?
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 18, 2012, 10:41:34 PM7/18/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:09:31 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
>
>Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
>numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
More unverified rumors from a dickhead. Let's see those felonies with
> He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
>
>Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
>numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
proof.
Not happening.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 18, 2012, 10:43:44 PM7/18/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 02:04:07 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
You're so effing smart, so prove that it is Obama.
Not happening.
wrote:
Not happening.
Carbon
Jul 18, 2012, 10:50:30 PM7/18/12
to
>> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
>> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
>>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>>
>>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than
>>> $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public
>>> money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being
>>> the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
>>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>>
>>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising
>>> DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for
>>> Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have
>>> heard all that wealth creation bashing...
>>>
>>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>
>> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
>>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>>
>>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than
>>> $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public
>>> money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being
>>> the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
>>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>>
>>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising
>>> DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for
>>> Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have
>>> heard all that wealth creation bashing...
>>>
>>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>
>> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years
>> of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>>
>> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>>
>> :-)
>
> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> ask for tax records?
>
> Obama should be fired :-)
It seems you're unaware that Harvard University refers to Obama as a
>> of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>>
>> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>>
>> :-)
>
> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> ask for tax records?
>
> Obama should be fired :-)
Magna Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law. You can learn that generally
means graduating in the top 10% or so here: http://goo.gl/VasBM
Wasn't that easy? Now you're slightly less ignorant than you were before.
Carbon
Jul 18, 2012, 10:52:14 PM7/18/12
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Carbon
Jul 18, 2012, 10:56:27 PM7/18/12
to
On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:26:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
>> not releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank
>> account, while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released
>> to the public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS
>> Tax Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed
>> taxes and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has
>> been the recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be
>> disqualified from running for POTUS.
>
> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> and where his money was invested.
Agree. There is effectively a different set of (legal) tax laws for the
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>
>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
>> not releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank
>> account, while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released
>> to the public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS
>> Tax Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed
>> taxes and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has
>> been the recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be
>> disqualified from running for POTUS.
>
> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> and where his money was invested.
very wealthy. Romney is a smart guy so he took advantage of every
possible loophole. He is right to be scared. All the (legal) crap he
pulled will be very damaging once it is disclosed and will feed into
Obama's policy of restoring higher rates of taxation for the rich.
Carbon
Jul 18, 2012, 10:59:37 PM7/18/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:50:10 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> In article
>> <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
> William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>> In article
>>
>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
>>> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
>>> ask for tax records?
>>>
>>> Obama should be fired :-)
>>
>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
>>> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
>>> ask for tax records?
>>>
>>> Obama should be fired :-)
>>
>> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
>> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them.
>> There clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot
>> grasp. Quelle surprise.
>
> OK, let's see Barry Soetoro's tax records. Don't bother to explain why
> the President needs an alias, just release the records.
You're the loon with this wild-assed theory. Let's see some evidence.
>> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them.
>> There clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot
>> grasp. Quelle surprise.
>
> OK, let's see Barry Soetoro's tax records. Don't bother to explain why
> the President needs an alias, just release the records.
What? You don't have any? Now there's a shock.
Alan Baker
Jul 18, 2012, 11:16:23 PM7/18/12
to
In article <4cacb206-26aa-4e05...@googlegroups.com>,
Because I'm wonder why, if that is the case, why Romney's campaign
hasn't simply mentioned that.
:-)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> > release my transcripts.
>
> Actually that request of Romney is just a political hit. He did release 20
> years of tax records when he ran for Senate several years ago. They know
> there is nothing there.
Really? So you can point to a reference that confirms that?
> > Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> > release my transcripts.
>
> Actually that request of Romney is just a political hit. He did release 20
> years of tax records when he ran for Senate several years ago. They know
> there is nothing there.
Because I'm wonder why, if that is the case, why Romney's campaign
hasn't simply mentioned that.
:-)
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker
Jul 18, 2012, 11:19:39 PM7/18/12
to
In article <4de05dd3-39bc-43e5...@googlegroups.com>,
> guilt complex over slavery prompted liberals and academics to simply skip the
> normal vetting process that ensures that a candidate is qualified. They
> didn't CARE! And despite continuous warnings from millions like me, they
> elected someone on "hope," even though they absolutely knew he couldn't do
> the job. The same people who would have screamed if their university had
> promoted someone to President who had not proven his ability elsewhere, urged
> us to elect Obama, a person who was not qualified to be the 4th level below a
> president, not even Attorney General or one of his assistants.
>
> And America has paid an immense price. I could list some of it, including
> the loss of half the equity in our homes and 20+ million jobs.
>
> Lets fix it.
>
> Larry
Larry: you're a liar, pure and simple.
<http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_#!ctype=l&str
ail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=employed&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&i
nd_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&tstart=979804800000
&tend=1337324400000&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false>
As this clearly shows, the jobs were mostly lost under Bush (but
somehow, you'll give him a pass) and since early/mid 2009, employment
has been growing.
Actually, I shouldn't say you're a liar. You're far more likely just to
be an ideologically blinded fool.
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > tax records?
> >
> > Obama should be fired :-)
>
> Yep, and why on Earth was he hired? Because he was Black, our collective
> > Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > tax records?
> >
> > Obama should be fired :-)
>
> guilt complex over slavery prompted liberals and academics to simply skip the
> normal vetting process that ensures that a candidate is qualified. They
> didn't CARE! And despite continuous warnings from millions like me, they
> elected someone on "hope," even though they absolutely knew he couldn't do
> the job. The same people who would have screamed if their university had
> promoted someone to President who had not proven his ability elsewhere, urged
> us to elect Obama, a person who was not qualified to be the 4th level below a
> president, not even Attorney General or one of his assistants.
>
> And America has paid an immense price. I could list some of it, including
> the loss of half the equity in our homes and 20+ million jobs.
>
> Lets fix it.
>
> Larry
Larry: you're a liar, pure and simple.
<http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_#!ctype=l&str
ail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=employed&fdim_y=seasonality:S&scale_y=lin&i
nd_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:US&ifdim=country&tstart=979804800000
&tend=1337324400000&hl=en_US&dl=en_US&ind=false>
As this clearly shows, the jobs were mostly lost under Bush (but
somehow, you'll give him a pass) and since early/mid 2009, employment
has been growing.
Actually, I shouldn't say you're a liar. You're far more likely just to
be an ideologically blinded fool.
Alan Baker
Jul 18, 2012, 11:21:14 PM7/18/12
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child.
Lloyd
Jul 18, 2012, 11:21:26 PM7/18/12
to
In article <clark-53B421....@news.eternal-september.org>,
William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> In article <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
> > >> Larry
them to anyone other than the IRS or a court.
William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> In article <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
> > >
> > > And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > > tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >
> > > "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> > > And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
> > > tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >
> > > "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >
> > > :-)
> >
> > Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> > refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > tax records?
> >
> > Obama should be fired :-)
>
> > refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> > tax records?
> >
> > Obama should be fired :-)
>
> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them. There
> clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot grasp. Quelle
> surprise.
Yes, you have a duty to pay taxes. No you have no requirement to show
> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them. There
> clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot grasp. Quelle
> surprise.
them to anyone other than the IRS or a court.
Don Kirkman
Jul 19, 2012, 1:57:41 AM7/19/12
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:55:29 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
><bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
final) set?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
wrote:
><bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
>> I think that both should release these records. The first one who
>> does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
>> hypocrite.
>
>Shocker! Romney is a hypocrite for releasing two years of tax records.
I thought he released one real set and one estimated (i.e., not yet
>> does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
>> hypocrite.
>
>Shocker! Romney is a hypocrite for releasing two years of tax records.
final) set?
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:55:30 AM7/19/12
to
In article <clark-A11E5E....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a71285...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <clark-F50298....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > In article <1177665566364348012.6...@news.aioe.org>,
> charged or prosecuted for any crime - unlike Dubya, and perhaps unlike
> Mitten if the Swiss bank fiasco turns out the way it might.
You are going to stick with the its only illegal if you get caught line
of excusing behavior?
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a71285...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <clark-F50298....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > In article <1177665566364348012.6...@news.aioe.org>,
> > > > Has Romney asked for Obama's transcripts?
> > > >
> > > > Obama is the hypocrite.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Obama is the hypocrite.
> > >
> > > Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is not
> > > releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
> > > return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
> > > while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
> > > public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
> > > Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
> > > and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
> > > recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
> > > from running for POTUS.
> > >
> > > releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
> > > return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
> > > while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
> > > public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
> > > Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
> > > and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
> > > recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
> > > from running for POTUS.
> > >
> > > He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
> >
> > Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
> > numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
>
> Different from Dubya's indiscretions, though, in that Obama was never
> >
> > Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
> > numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
>
> charged or prosecuted for any crime - unlike Dubya, and perhaps unlike
> Mitten if the Swiss bank fiasco turns out the way it might.
You are going to stick with the its only illegal if you get caught line
of excusing behavior?
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:57:30 AM7/19/12
to
In article <clark-590B4C....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
Why would I call Lawrence Tribe a liar.
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:59:40 AM7/19/12
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In article <clark-0D775B....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
He, Obama, did use the name Barry Sotero.
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 8:03:11 AM7/19/12
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In article <8ore08ljugahh2ump...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
belong to the university.
> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> business record is an important issue.
Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
comes to his economic/business record.
> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> issues for this election.
Nobama!!!!
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> >> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> >> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> >> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> >> and where his money was invested.
> >
> >What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> >records or transcripts?
>
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> >> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> >> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> >> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> >> and where his money was invested.
> >
> >What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> >records or transcripts?
>
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
belong to the university.
> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> business record is an important issue.
tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
comes to his economic/business record.
> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> issues for this election.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 8:09:01 AM7/19/12
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In article <4tse081l22ftflqm0...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
They are admissions he wrote in his books and he repeated them on the
audio version of the books. He has also admitted inhaling.
The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
bkn...@conramp.net says...
audio version of the books. He has also admitted inhaling.
The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 8:10:01 AM7/19/12
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In article <pan.2012.07...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Harvard has had a history of grade inflation and is most likely not
above granting Obama an honor he did not earn.
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
above granting Obama an honor he did not earn.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:20:15 AM7/19/12
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William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:21:15 AM7/19/12
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In article <MPG.2a71c03...@news.giganews.com>,
Because Tribe describes Obama as one of the most intelligent students he
ever taught.
ever taught.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:23:22 AM7/19/12
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In article <MPG.2a71bfb...@news.giganews.com>,
Of course. Provided that you have some sane calibration of the behavior
involved. Teenage/student drinking and smoking weed falls on the very
low end - well below abusing small boys in locker rooms, or getting
stopped for driving drunk.
involved. Teenage/student drinking and smoking weed falls on the very
low end - well below abusing small boys in locker rooms, or getting
stopped for driving drunk.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:25:38 AM7/19/12
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In article <MPG.2a71c2e...@news.giganews.com>,
Oh, boy. That only puts him in the same category as about 70% of his
peers. Lock them all up, I say!
peers. Lock them all up, I say!
>
> The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
Nor is the "evidence" in yours.
> The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:26:25 AM7/19/12
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In article <1qse081afcf8jn8p5...@4ax.com>,
It's all they have. Small beer compared to dubious tax havens in
Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.
Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:29:00 AM7/19/12
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In article <pan.2012.07...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
I think you just lost him with "magna cum laude". Pearls before swine, I
think.
think.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 8:33:13 AM7/19/12
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In article <MPG.2a71c18...@news.giganews.com>,
of his class - if you question that, then go ask Lawrence Tribe again.
predecessor presided over. Turning that fiasco around, especially in the
context of a glboal recession, takes more than 3 years.
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <8ore08ljugahh2ump...@4ax.com>,
> how...@brazee.net says...
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > >> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > >> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > >> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > >> and where his money was invested.
> > >
> > >What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> > >records or transcripts?
> >
> > My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> > records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> > based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
>
> Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
> university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
> belong to the university.
He was magna cum laude from Harvard Law. Confirmed. That means top 10%
> In article <8ore08ljugahh2ump...@4ax.com>,
> how...@brazee.net says...
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > >> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > >> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > >> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > >> and where his money was invested.
> > >
> > >What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> > >records or transcripts?
> >
> > My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> > records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> > based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
>
> Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
> university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
> belong to the university.
of his class - if you question that, then go ask Lawrence Tribe again.
>
> > Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> > Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> > business record is an important issue.
>
> Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
> tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
> comes to his economic/business record.
Well, I don't think we are losing the 700,000 jobs a month that his
> > Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> > Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> > business record is an important issue.
>
> Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
> tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
> comes to his economic/business record.
predecessor presided over. Turning that fiasco around, especially in the
context of a glboal recession, takes more than 3 years.
>
> > Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> > point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> > issues for this election.
>
> Nobama!!!!
Swiss bank accounts!
> > Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> > point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> > issues for this election.
>
> Nobama!!!!
Moderate
Jul 19, 2012, 8:42:06 AM7/19/12
to
Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
>>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>>> and where his money was invested.
>>
>> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
>> records or transcripts?
>
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
>>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>>> and where his money was invested.
>>
>> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
>> records or transcripts?
>
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> business record is an important issue.
>
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> business record is an important issue.
>
> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> issues for this election.
Of course he didn't run on his business record. He has none. Obama seems to
> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> issues for this election.
be running against a business record of Romney's that didn't exist. He has
intentionally lied about his employment history at Bain and got caught.
Howard Brazee
Jul 19, 2012, 9:20:43 AM7/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:11 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
>> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
>> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
>He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
>
>Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
>university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
>belong to the university.
At any rate, neither side is running on academic records. Neither
>> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
>> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
>> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
>He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
>
>Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
>university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
>belong to the university.
side thinks their academic records matter to this election. Would
you change your vote upon finding some grade you didn't expect?
I didn't think so.
>> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
>> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
>> business record is an important issue.
>
>Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
>tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
>comes to his economic/business record.
Now, they are running on the country's economic record - which happens
to be something that Congress can influence, but is not part of what
the president does. But they are both running on it anyway.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 9:51:53 AM7/19/12
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Moderate wrote:
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
>> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
>>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>>
>>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
>>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
>>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
>>> be outspent by a challenger.
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
>>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>>
>>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
>>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
>>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
>>> bashing...
>>>
>>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>>
>>> Larry
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
>> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
>>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>>
>>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than $100
>>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money for his
>>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first president to
>>> be outspent by a challenger.
>>>
>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445682?s=
>>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>>
>>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising DOUBLE the
>>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in 2008 are
>>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation
>>> bashing...
>>>
>>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>>
>>
>> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
>> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>>
>> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>>
>> :-)
>
> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> tax records?
>
> Obama should be fired :-)
>
Romney has released what is needed and does not need to give any more
>> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years of
>> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>>
>> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>>
>> :-)
>
> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired who
> refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask for
> tax records?
>
> Obama should be fired :-)
>
fodder to the liberal media and Obama to lie about. Obama WILL be fired
come Nov.
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 9:57:30 AM7/19/12
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MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 9:59:19 AM7/19/12
to
Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
>>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>>> and where his money was invested.
>>
>> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
>> records or transcripts?
>
>>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>>> and where his money was invested.
>>
>> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
>> records or transcripts?
>
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> business record is an important issue.
It's important because Romney HAS business experience, where it has
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> business record is an important issue.
become painfully obvious Obama does not.
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 10:01:46 AM7/19/12
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>>
>>> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
>>> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
>>> issues for this election.
>>
>> Nobama!!!!
>
> Swiss bank accounts!
>
Prove it.
>>> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
>>> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
>>> issues for this election.
>>
>> Nobama!!!!
>
> Swiss bank accounts!
>
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 10:05:04 AM7/19/12
to
the over $50K in donations he got from Bain in 2008. Or the over $34K he
as got from Bain in this cycle. Or that one of Obama's largest bundlers
is currently running Bain and was in change of Bain when GST steel went
under.
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 10:07:00 AM7/19/12
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Carbon wrote:
> very wealthy. Romney is a smart guy so he took advantage of every
> possible loophole. He is right to be scared. All the (legal) crap he
> pulled will be very damaging once it is disclosed and will feed into
> Obama's policy of restoring higher rates of taxation for the rich.
>
You are aware that even if you confiscate 100% of the "rich's" money it
will not put a dent in our situation right?
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:26:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
>> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
>>> not releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>>> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank
>>> account, while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released
>>> to the public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS
>>> Tax Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed
>>> taxes and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has
>>> been the recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be
>>> disqualified from running for POTUS.
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
>> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
>>> not releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
>>> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank
>>> account, while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released
>>> to the public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS
>>> Tax Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed
>>> taxes and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has
>>> been the recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be
>>> disqualified from running for POTUS.
>>
>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>> and where his money was invested.
>
> Agree. There is effectively a different set of (legal) tax laws for the
>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
>> and where his money was invested.
>
> very wealthy. Romney is a smart guy so he took advantage of every
> possible loophole. He is right to be scared. All the (legal) crap he
> pulled will be very damaging once it is disclosed and will feed into
> Obama's policy of restoring higher rates of taxation for the rich.
>
You are aware that even if you confiscate 100% of the "rich's" money it
will not put a dent in our situation right?
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 10:08:33 AM7/19/12
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MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 10:11:03 AM7/19/12
to
Carbon wrote:
>> the President needs an alias, just release the records.
>
> You're the loon with this wild-assed theory. Let's see some evidence.
>
> What? You don't have any? Now there's a shock.
>
Sheriff Joe already proved his birth cert. is fake. ;-) One disturbing
thing that did come up in that "investigation" is that in Hawaii, you
dont even have to be born there to get a Hawaii birt cert. Very odd law
they have there.
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:50:10 +0000, Moderate wrote:
>> William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
>>>
>> William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
>>>
>>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
>>>> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
>>>> ask for tax records?
>>>>
>>>> Obama should be fired :-)
>>>
>>>> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
>>>> ask for tax records?
>>>>
>>>> Obama should be fired :-)
>>>
>>> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
>>> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them.
>>> There clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot
>>> grasp. Quelle surprise.
>>
>> OK, let's see Barry Soetoro's tax records. Don't bother to explain why
>>> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them.
>>> There clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot
>>> grasp. Quelle surprise.
>>
>> the President needs an alias, just release the records.
>
> You're the loon with this wild-assed theory. Let's see some evidence.
>
> What? You don't have any? Now there's a shock.
>
Sheriff Joe already proved his birth cert. is fake. ;-) One disturbing
thing that did come up in that "investigation" is that in Hawaii, you
dont even have to be born there to get a Hawaii birt cert. Very odd law
they have there.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 10:29:04 AM7/19/12
to
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 11:03:16 AM7/19/12
to
as we are finding out, most of his book was BS so who knows.
bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 11:20:38 AM7/19/12
to
it might not even have been cocaine.
Don Kirkman
Jul 19, 2012, 11:54:27 AM7/19/12
to
that's true, we have hundreds of thousands of kids with something to
hide.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net
MNMikeW
Jul 19, 2012, 12:23:38 PM7/19/12
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bkn...@conramp.net
Jul 19, 2012, 12:45:15 PM7/19/12
to
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 19, 2012, 1:26:43 PM7/19/12
to
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:24:57 PM UTC-7, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> >> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> >> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> >> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> >> and where his money was invested.
> >
> >What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> >records or transcripts?
> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> issues for this election.
BULL! Obama has been a dismal failure because he has been unable to do the job of POTUS-- and seems not to have the character and integrity needed for a president of ALL the people. His resume accurately predicted his ability. But the public ignored his resume in 2008. Now Obama cries in public about the job situation, but it was revealed yesterday that he has not convened his "Jobs Counsel" consisting of industry experts, this YEAR! Not once! Instead he has been golfing and bouncing from fund raiser to fund raiser. That is integrity. That is simply a strong indicator that this guy doesn't have a work ethic.
His Resume listed NOT ONE instance of a strong work history. He basically never had a job and doesn't know how to grind as necessary, the stuff that turned the hair white of every past president.
Romney would sit there and grind-- like all CEOs do. He would use his vast experience and knowledge to turn this country around and restore America's trust and integrity around the world.
Vote for your future and that of your kids and grandkids. 4 more years of an incompetent as POTUS may destroy this country.
Larry
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> >> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> >> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> >> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> >> and where his money was invested.
> >
> >What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> >records or transcripts?
>
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
>
> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
>
> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> business record is an important issue.
>
> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
>
> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> issues for this election.
BULL! Obama has been a dismal failure because he has been unable to do the job of POTUS-- and seems not to have the character and integrity needed for a president of ALL the people. His resume accurately predicted his ability. But the public ignored his resume in 2008. Now Obama cries in public about the job situation, but it was revealed yesterday that he has not convened his "Jobs Counsel" consisting of industry experts, this YEAR! Not once! Instead he has been golfing and bouncing from fund raiser to fund raiser. That is integrity. That is simply a strong indicator that this guy doesn't have a work ethic.
His Resume listed NOT ONE instance of a strong work history. He basically never had a job and doesn't know how to grind as necessary, the stuff that turned the hair white of every past president.
Romney would sit there and grind-- like all CEOs do. He would use his vast experience and knowledge to turn this country around and restore America's trust and integrity around the world.
Vote for your future and that of your kids and grandkids. 4 more years of an incompetent as POTUS may destroy this country.
Larry
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 19, 2012, 1:29:32 PM7/19/12
to
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:11:03 AM UTC-7, MNMikeW wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:50:10 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> >> William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
> >>>
> >>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> >>>> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> >>>> ask for tax records?
> >>>>
> >>>> Obama should be fired :-)
> >>>
> >>> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
> >>> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them.
> >>> There clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot
> >>> grasp. Quelle surprise.
> >>
> >> OK, let's see Barry Soetoro's tax records. Don't bother to explain why
> >> the President needs an alias, just release the records.
> >
> > You're the loon with this wild-assed theory. Let's see some evidence.
> >
> > What? You don't have any? Now there's a shock.
> >
Larry
> Carbon wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 00:50:10 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> >> William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <1200295276364345411.2...@news.aioe.org>,
> >>>
> >>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> >>>> who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> >>>> ask for tax records?
> >>>>
> >>>> Obama should be fired :-)
> >>>
> >>> Er, there is no legal requirement for anyone to "file" their academic
> >>> records with the Federal Government, or to pay any duty on them.
> >>> There clearly is for taxes - a difference you apparently cannot
> >>> grasp. Quelle surprise.
> >>
> >> OK, let's see Barry Soetoro's tax records. Don't bother to explain why
> >> the President needs an alias, just release the records.
> >
> > You're the loon with this wild-assed theory. Let's see some evidence.
> >
> > What? You don't have any? Now there's a shock.
> >
> Sheriff Joe already proved his birth cert. is fake. ;-) One disturbing
> thing that did come up in that "investigation" is that in Hawaii, you
> dont even have to be born there to get a Hawaii birt cert. Very odd law
> they have there.
It may turn out that that provision is a late revision... by guess who! Hawaii is a giant reservation of government dependent liberals. They would vote for a child molester in jail-- if he promised more welfare.
> they have there.
Larry
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 2:27:41 PM7/19/12
to
In article <MPG.2a71c32...@news.giganews.com>,
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <pan.2012.07...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> above granting Obama an honor he did not earn.
BS. Magna cum laude, for the hard of thinking, means TOP 10%. It is not,
therefore, adjustable by any kind of "grade inflation", since it is a
relative measure of all those in the class.
If Harvard's grades are so easy, how come you never made it through
there - or anywhere?
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <pan.2012.07...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> >
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> > > Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than
> > >>> $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public
> > >>> money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being
> > >>> the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445
> > >>> 682?s=
> > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > >>>
> > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising
> > >>> DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for
> > >>> Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have
> > >>> heard all that wealth creation bashing...
> > >>>
> > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > >>
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> > > Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > >>>
> > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than
> > >>> $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public
> > >>> money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being
> > >>> the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445
> > >>> 682?s=
> > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > >>>
> > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising
> > >>> DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for
> > >>> Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have
> > >>> heard all that wealth creation bashing...
> > >>>
> > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > >>
> > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years
> > >> of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >>
> > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > >> of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > >>
> > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > >>
> > >> :-)
> > >
> > > Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> > > who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> > > ask for tax records?
> > >
> > > Obama should be fired :-)
> >
> > > Obama should be fired :-)
> >
> > It seems you're unaware that Harvard University refers to Obama as a
> > Magna Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law. You can learn that generally
> > means graduating in the top 10% or so here: http://goo.gl/VasBM
> >
> > Wasn't that easy? Now you're slightly less ignorant than you were before.
>
> Harvard has had a history of grade inflation and is most likely not
> > Magna Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law. You can learn that generally
> > means graduating in the top 10% or so here: http://goo.gl/VasBM
> >
> > Wasn't that easy? Now you're slightly less ignorant than you were before.
>
> above granting Obama an honor he did not earn.
BS. Magna cum laude, for the hard of thinking, means TOP 10%. It is not,
therefore, adjustable by any kind of "grade inflation", since it is a
relative measure of all those in the class.
If Harvard's grades are so easy, how come you never made it through
there - or anywhere?
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 2:31:12 PM7/19/12
to
In article <a6qin1...@mid.individual.net>,
His opinion, which worth far more than yours, given his track record.
William Clark
Jul 19, 2012, 2:30:24 PM7/19/12
to
In article <a6qiaa...@mid.individual.net>,
No excuse, just simple reality.
> >>
> >>> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> >>> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> >>> issues for this election.
> >>
> >> Nobama!!!!
> >
> > Swiss bank accounts!
> >
> Prove it.
Really? Have you been asleep for the past month?
http://tiny.cc/ynhphw
> >>
> >>> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> >>> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> >>> issues for this election.
> >>
> >> Nobama!!!!
> >
> > Swiss bank accounts!
> >
> Prove it.
http://tiny.cc/ynhphw
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 5:53:13 PM7/19/12
to
In article <a6qhnp...@mid.individual.net>,
Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other idiots.
If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of tax
returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of tax
returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 5:55:32 PM7/19/12
to
In article <clark-654B5D....@news.eternal-september.org>,
Sorry, William, but there is no proof in there. There isn't even any
evidence.
That is complete speculation; logical perhaps, but speculation only.
evidence.
That is complete speculation; logical perhaps, but speculation only.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 19, 2012, 6:07:26 PM7/19/12
to
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:30:24 AM UTC-7, William Clark wrote:
> In article <a6qiaa...@mid.individual.net>,
> MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > William Clark wrote:
> > > In article <MPG.2a71c18...@news.giganews.com>,
> > >> In article <8ore08ljugahh2ump...@4ax.com>,
> > >> how...@brazee.net says...
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > >>>>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > >>>>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > >>>>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > >>>>> and where his money was invested.
> > >>>> records or transcripts?
> > >>>
> > >>> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> > >>> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> > >>> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
> > >>
> > >> He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
> > >>
> > >> Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
> > >> university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
> > >> belong to the university.
> > >
> > > He was magna cum laude from Harvard Law. Confirmed. That means top 10%
> > > of his class - if you question that, then go ask Lawrence Tribe again.
> > >>
> > >>> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> > >>> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> > >>> business record is an important issue.
> > >>
> > >> Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
> > >> tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
> > >> comes to his economic/business record.
> > >
> > > Well, I don't think we are losing the 700,000 jobs a month that his
> > > predecessor presided over. Turning that fiasco around, especially in the
> > > context of a glboal recession, takes more than 3 years.
> >
> > LOL! Always excuses.
> > >>> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> > >>> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> > >>> issues for this election.
> > >>
> > >> Nobama!!!!
> > >
> > > Swiss bank accounts!
> > >
> > Prove it.
There is nothing wrong with having accounts around the world if they are legal and taxes paid. Romney does that. His money is in a blind trust. If the trustee place his money there, that is their business.
Read the papers. MOST of the White House staff has big investments around the world, including Swiss and Cayman Island accounts. Not smart for those in glass houses to throw stones.
Larry
> In article <a6qiaa...@mid.individual.net>,
> MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > William Clark wrote:
> > > In article <MPG.2a71c18...@news.giganews.com>,
> > >> In article <8ore08ljugahh2ump...@4ax.com>,
> > >> how...@brazee.net says...
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:31:46 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > >>>
> > >>>>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > >>>>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > >>>>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > >>>>> and where his money was invested.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> > >>>> records or transcripts?
> > >>>
> > >>> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> > >>> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> > >>> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
> > >>
> > >> He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
> > >>
> > >> Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
> > >> university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
> > >> belong to the university.
> > >
> > > He was magna cum laude from Harvard Law. Confirmed. That means top 10%
> > > of his class - if you question that, then go ask Lawrence Tribe again.
> > >>
> > >>> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> > >>> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> > >>> business record is an important issue.
> > >>
> > >> Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
> > >> tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
> > >> comes to his economic/business record.
> > >
> > > Well, I don't think we are losing the 700,000 jobs a month that his
> > > predecessor presided over. Turning that fiasco around, especially in the
> > > context of a glboal recession, takes more than 3 years.
> >
> > LOL! Always excuses.
>
> No excuse, just simple reality.
>
> > >>
> No excuse, just simple reality.
>
> > >>> Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> > >>> point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> > >>> issues for this election.
> > >>
> > >> Nobama!!!!
> > >
> > > Swiss bank accounts!
> > >
> > Prove it.
There is nothing wrong with having accounts around the world if they are legal and taxes paid. Romney does that. His money is in a blind trust. If the trustee place his money there, that is their business.
Read the papers. MOST of the White House staff has big investments around the world, including Swiss and Cayman Island accounts. Not smart for those in glass houses to throw stones.
Larry
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:08:52 PM7/19/12
to
In article <906c340e-6c41-435c...@googlegroups.com>,
As I've come to realize, Larry, it's not that you're lying. You're just
ignorant; willfully ignorant, perhaps, but just ignorant.
He may not have personally met with them, but the council has indeed met.
<http://www.jobs-council.com/events/>
Oh, and you're also wrong on the basic fact you presented. The council
met at the White House on January 17, 2012.
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/17/president-obama-me
ets-president-s-council-jobs-and-competitiveness-white>
Now I know you're willing to be ignorant of those facts that don't fit
your fanatical fantasies, but surely you're aware that January 2012 is
in "this YEAR", right?
>
> His Resume listed NOT ONE instance of a strong work history. He basically
> never had a job and doesn't know how to grind as necessary, the stuff that
> turned the hair white of every past president.
No. And Ronald Reagan was an actor with essentially no education who
never worked other than acting, and you LOVE him. But what Reagan did do
was draw in people with appropriate experience to advise him.
Just like Obama has with the jobs council:
"The President and Mr. Volcker announced the board's membership on
February 6, 2009.[13] Members include:
Jeffrey Immelt, General Electric chief executive
James W. Owens, head of Caterpillar
Robert Wolf, chairman and CEO of UBS Group Americas
Mark Gallogly,[14][15] founder and managing partner at Centerbridge
Partners L.P.[16][17]
Penny Pritzker, chair and founder of Pritzker Realty Group and Classic
Residence by Hyatt
John Doerr, partner at Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers
Monica C. Lozano,[18][19] Director of Bank of America
Charles E. Phillips, Jr., president of Infor.
Richard L. Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO
Austan Goolsbee, chairman of Council of Economic Advisers
Christina Romer, former chairperson of Council of Economic Advisers
William H. Donaldson, former Securities and Exchange Commission chairman
Laura D'Andrea Tyson, former Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers
during the Clinton Administration
Martin Feldstein, former chief economic advisor to President Ronald
Reagan,
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr., President and Chief Executive Officer of the
Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association - College Retirement Equities
Fund (TIAA-CREF)
David F. Swensen, CIO at Yale University[20]"
Ironic, then, that you don't acknowledge this... ...especially in light
of the fact that one of Reagan's former advisors is on it.
:-)
>
> Romney would sit there and grind-- like all CEOs do. He would use his vast
> experience and knowledge to turn this country around and restore America's
> trust and integrity around the world.
>
> Vote for your future and that of your kids and grandkids. 4 more years of an
> incompetent as POTUS may destroy this country.
>
> Larry
ignorant; willfully ignorant, perhaps, but just ignorant.
He may not have personally met with them, but the council has indeed met.
<http://www.jobs-council.com/events/>
Oh, and you're also wrong on the basic fact you presented. The council
met at the White House on January 17, 2012.
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/17/president-obama-me
ets-president-s-council-jobs-and-competitiveness-white>
Now I know you're willing to be ignorant of those facts that don't fit
your fanatical fantasies, but surely you're aware that January 2012 is
in "this YEAR", right?
>
> His Resume listed NOT ONE instance of a strong work history. He basically
> never had a job and doesn't know how to grind as necessary, the stuff that
> turned the hair white of every past president.
never worked other than acting, and you LOVE him. But what Reagan did do
was draw in people with appropriate experience to advise him.
Just like Obama has with the jobs council:
"The President and Mr. Volcker announced the board's membership on
February 6, 2009.[13] Members include:
Jeffrey Immelt, General Electric chief executive
James W. Owens, head of Caterpillar
Robert Wolf, chairman and CEO of UBS Group Americas
Mark Gallogly,[14][15] founder and managing partner at Centerbridge
Partners L.P.[16][17]
Penny Pritzker, chair and founder of Pritzker Realty Group and Classic
Residence by Hyatt
John Doerr, partner at Kleiner, Perkins, Caufield & Byers
Monica C. Lozano,[18][19] Director of Bank of America
Charles E. Phillips, Jr., president of Infor.
Richard L. Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO
Austan Goolsbee, chairman of Council of Economic Advisers
Christina Romer, former chairperson of Council of Economic Advisers
William H. Donaldson, former Securities and Exchange Commission chairman
Laura D'Andrea Tyson, former Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers
during the Clinton Administration
Martin Feldstein, former chief economic advisor to President Ronald
Reagan,
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr., President and Chief Executive Officer of the
Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association - College Retirement Equities
Fund (TIAA-CREF)
David F. Swensen, CIO at Yale University[20]"
Ironic, then, that you don't acknowledge this... ...especially in light
of the fact that one of Reagan's former advisors is on it.
:-)
>
> Romney would sit there and grind-- like all CEOs do. He would use his vast
> experience and knowledge to turn this country around and restore America's
> trust and integrity around the world.
>
> Vote for your future and that of your kids and grandkids. 4 more years of an
> incompetent as POTUS may destroy this country.
>
> Larry
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:09:56 PM7/19/12
to
In article <7942ad2a-187f-4658...@googlegroups.com>,
two years of returns.
As for the rest, I bet you have no proof whatsoever.
>
> Read the papers. MOST of the White House staff has big investments around
> the world, including Swiss and Cayman Island accounts. Not smart for those
> in glass houses to throw stones.
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > Really? Have you been asleep for the past month?
> >
> > http://tiny.cc/ynhphw
>
> There is nothing wrong with having accounts around the world if they are
> legal and taxes paid. Romney does that. His money is in a blind trust. If
> the trustee place his money there, that is their business.
You wouldn't be saying that if it were a Democrat who'd only released
> > Really? Have you been asleep for the past month?
> >
> > http://tiny.cc/ynhphw
>
> There is nothing wrong with having accounts around the world if they are
> legal and taxes paid. Romney does that. His money is in a blind trust. If
> the trustee place his money there, that is their business.
two years of returns.
As for the rest, I bet you have no proof whatsoever.
>
> Read the papers. MOST of the White House staff has big investments around
> the world, including Swiss and Cayman Island accounts. Not smart for those
> in glass houses to throw stones.
la...@pivotforpower.com
Jul 19, 2012, 6:15:16 PM7/19/12
to
On Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:27:41 AM UTC-7, William Clark wrote:
> In article <MPG.2a71c32...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <pan.2012.07...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> > nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> > > > Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > > >>> $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public
> > > >>> money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being
> > > >>> the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
> > > >>> 682?s=
> > > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > > >>> DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for
> > > >>> Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have
> > > >>> heard all that wealth creation bashing...
> > > >>
> > > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years
> > > >> of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > > >>
> > > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > > >>
> > > >> :-)
> > > >
> > > > Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> > > > who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> > > > Obama should be fired :-)
> > >
> > > It seems you're unaware that Harvard University refers to Obama as a
> > > Magna Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law. You can learn that generally
> > > means graduating in the top 10% or so here: http://goo.gl/VasBM
> > >
> > > Wasn't that easy? Now you're slightly less ignorant than you were before.
> >
> > Harvard has had a history of grade inflation and is most likely not
> > above granting Obama an honor he did not earn.
> there - or anywhere?
Almost certainly a primary reason Obama will not release his transcripts at ANY school is that he was passed through "affirmative action." We have seen dozens of clues indicating that Obama is not smart, not even very bright. Else he would not continuously screw up when not reading the teleprompter. One day during the 2008 campaign, he said "we've been to 57 states now" THREE times! They asked him again and the moron repeated it! Just a few days ago he extemporaneously said, "if you have a successful business, you didn't earn that!" I am sure his campaign would have cut the power to his microphone if they could, before he uttered another really really stupid statement.
I would bet my house that his IQ is only average if that high. Obama has been given everything all his life, smoked dope for years, did Cocaine, both of which are felonies, and stupidly wrote it in his book!
Romney is going to beat him in every state.
Larry
> In article <MPG.2a71c32...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <pan.2012.07...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> > nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> > >
> > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> > > > Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign Funds
> > > >>
> > > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more than
> > > >>> $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public
> > > >>> money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being
> > > >>> the first president to be outspent by a challenger.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445
> > > >>> 682?s=
> > > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising
> > > >>> DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for
> > > >>> Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now! Apparently they have
> > > >>> heard all that wealth creation bashing...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > > >>
> > > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years
> > > >> of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > > >>
> > > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > > >>
> > > >> :-)
> > > >
> > > > Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> > > > who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers
> > > > ask for tax records?
> > > >
> > > > Obama should be fired :-)
> > >
> > > It seems you're unaware that Harvard University refers to Obama as a
> > > Magna Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law. You can learn that generally
> > > means graduating in the top 10% or so here: http://goo.gl/VasBM
> > >
> > > Wasn't that easy? Now you're slightly less ignorant than you were before.
> >
> > Harvard has had a history of grade inflation and is most likely not
> > above granting Obama an honor he did not earn.
>
> BS. Magna cum laude, for the hard of thinking, means TOP 10%. It is not,
> therefore, adjustable by any kind of "grade inflation", since it is a
> BS. Magna cum laude, for the hard of thinking, means TOP 10%. It is not,
> relative measure of all those in the class.
>
> If Harvard's grades are so easy, how come you never made it through
>
> there - or anywhere?
Almost certainly a primary reason Obama will not release his transcripts at ANY school is that he was passed through "affirmative action." We have seen dozens of clues indicating that Obama is not smart, not even very bright. Else he would not continuously screw up when not reading the teleprompter. One day during the 2008 campaign, he said "we've been to 57 states now" THREE times! They asked him again and the moron repeated it! Just a few days ago he extemporaneously said, "if you have a successful business, you didn't earn that!" I am sure his campaign would have cut the power to his microphone if they could, before he uttered another really really stupid statement.
I would bet my house that his IQ is only average if that high. Obama has been given everything all his life, smoked dope for years, did Cocaine, both of which are felonies, and stupidly wrote it in his book!
Romney is going to beat him in every state.
Larry
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:23:30 PM7/19/12
to
In article <0358e9ed-92ca-4e76...@googlegroups.com>,
You think you graduate magna cum laude from Harvard by "affirmative
action"?
LOL
> dozens of clues indicating that Obama is not smart, not even very bright.
> Else he would not continuously screw up when not reading the teleprompter.
I hate to break it to you, Larry, but the inability to speak well from a
teleprompter says nothing about intelligence.
action"?
LOL
> dozens of clues indicating that Obama is not smart, not even very bright.
> Else he would not continuously screw up when not reading the teleprompter.
teleprompter says nothing about intelligence.
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:25:13 PM7/19/12
to
In article <abe1e006-713e-457a...@googlegroups.com>,
I don't know, Larry, but surely you're not implying that Obama was
involved. Even you cannot be that ignorant...
...can you?
> Hawaii is a giant reservation of government dependent liberals. They would
> vote for a child molester in jail-- if he promised more welfare.
Yet it was a Republican administration that came out and confirmed that
Obama's birth certificate was legit...
involved. Even you cannot be that ignorant...
...can you?
> Hawaii is a giant reservation of government dependent liberals. They would
> vote for a child molester in jail-- if he promised more welfare.
Obama's birth certificate was legit...
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:26:17 PM7/19/12
to
In article <abe1e006-713e-457a...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > Sheriff Joe already proved his birth cert. is fake. ;-) One disturbing
> > thing that did come up in that "investigation" is that in Hawaii,
> > you
> > dont even have to be born there to get a Hawaii birt cert. Very odd law
> > they have there.
>
> It may turn out that that provision is a late revision... by guess who!
> Hawaii is a giant reservation of government dependent liberals. They would
> vote for a child molester in jail-- if he promised more welfare.
BTW, how did that challenge by the Arizona Secretary of State work out?
> > thing that did come up in that "investigation" is that in Hawaii,
> > you
> > dont even have to be born there to get a Hawaii birt cert. Very odd law
> > they have there.
>
> It may turn out that that provision is a late revision... by guess who!
> Hawaii is a giant reservation of government dependent liberals. They would
> vote for a child molester in jail-- if he promised more welfare.
You remember: the one that was going to bring down the whole house of
cards?
Or what about the later one in Florida (IIRC)? How's that going?
:-)
Moderate
Jul 19, 2012, 6:33:44 PM7/19/12
to
Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <a6qhnp...@mid.individual.net>,
> MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other idiots.
>
> If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of tax
> returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
LOL, how about those academic records? How soon you forget the abuse you
> In article <a6qhnp...@mid.individual.net>,
> MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other idiots.
>
> If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of tax
> returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
gave Bush.
Moderate
Jul 19, 2012, 6:33:46 PM7/19/12
to
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:35:09 PM7/19/12
to
In article <a6qi5n...@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> become painfully obvious Obama does not.
Right. And yet Reagan had no business experience and no education to
speak of.
Obama has brought a pantheon of american business to bear and you won't
even acknowledge it.
> >
> > Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> > point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> > issues for this election.
> >
> >>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> >>> has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> >>> suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> >>> the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> >>> and where his money was invested.
> >>
> >>
> >> What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> >> records or transcripts?
> >
> > My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> > records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> >
> > My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> > based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
> >
> > Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> > Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> >
> > Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> > business record is an important issue.
>
> It's important because Romney HAS business experience, where it has
>
> become painfully obvious Obama does not.
Right. And yet Reagan had no business experience and no education to
speak of.
Obama has brought a pantheon of american business to bear and you won't
even acknowledge it.
> >
> > Romney doesn't care about Obama's academic record, and only has to
> > point out that Obama doesn't have a business history. Those aren't
> > issues for this election.
> >
Alan Baker
Jul 19, 2012, 6:37:22 PM7/19/12
to
In article <334635387364429883.20...@news.aioe.org>,
What about them?
He graduated from Harvard Law...
...MAGNA CUM LAUDE.
He graduated from Harvard Law...
...MAGNA CUM LAUDE.
Moderate
Jul 19, 2012, 6:45:56 PM7/19/12
to
Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <334635387364429883.20...@news.aioe.org>,
> Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> In article <a6qhnp...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other idiots.
>>>
>>> If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of tax
>>> returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
>>
>> LOL, how about those academic records? How soon you forget the abuse you
>> gave Bush.
>
> What about them?
>
> He graduated from Harvard Law...
>
> ...MAGNA CUM LAUDE.
How was his education financed?
> In article <334635387364429883.20...@news.aioe.org>,
> Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>>> In article <a6qhnp...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other idiots.
>>>
>>> If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of tax
>>> returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
>>
>> LOL, how about those academic records? How soon you forget the abuse you
>> gave Bush.
>
> What about them?
>
> He graduated from Harvard Law...
>
> ...MAGNA CUM LAUDE.
Carbon
Jul 19, 2012, 6:57:10 PM7/19/12
to
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:07:00 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
>> the very wealthy. Romney is a smart guy so he took advantage of every
>> possible loophole. He is right to be scared. All the (legal) crap he
>> pulled will be very damaging once it is disclosed and will feed into
>> Obama's policy of restoring higher rates of taxation for the rich.
>>
> You are aware that even if you confiscate 100% of the "rich's" money
> it will not put a dent in our situation right?
No, Mike, I had no idea. Thanks.
> Carbon wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:26:05 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
>>> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
>>>> not releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a
>>>> full return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank
>>>> account, while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been
>>>> released to the public), then it may well be because he benefitted
>>>> from an IRS Tax Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to
>>>> and pay owed taxes and penalties on such accounts anonymously.
>>>> Someone who has been the recipient of such an amnesty for a serious
>>>> crime would be disqualified from running for POTUS.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
>>> <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
>>>> not releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a
>>>> full return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank
>>>> account, while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been
>>>> released to the public), then it may well be because he benefitted
>>>> from an IRS Tax Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to
>>>> and pay owed taxes and penalties on such accounts anonymously.
>>>> Someone who has been the recipient of such an amnesty for a serious
>>>> crime would be disqualified from running for POTUS.
>>>
>>> I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers
>>> and has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that
>>> risk. I suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on
>>> how he used the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were
>>> paying him money, and where his money was invested.
>>
>> Agree. There is effectively a different set of (legal) tax laws for
>>> and has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that
>>> risk. I suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on
>>> how he used the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were
>>> paying him money, and where his money was invested.
>>
>> the very wealthy. Romney is a smart guy so he took advantage of every
>> possible loophole. He is right to be scared. All the (legal) crap he
>> pulled will be very damaging once it is disclosed and will feed into
>> Obama's policy of restoring higher rates of taxation for the rich.
>>
> You are aware that even if you confiscate 100% of the "rich's" money
> it will not put a dent in our situation right?
No, Mike, I had no idea. Thanks.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 6:59:32 PM7/19/12
to
In article <clark-946401....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a71c03...@news.giganews.com>,
> > > > > >>> Funds
> > > > > >>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money
> > > > > >>> for
> > > > > >>> his
> > > > > >>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first
> > > > > >>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in
> > > > > >>> 2008
> > > > > >>> are
> > > > > >>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that
> > > > > >>> wealth
> > > > > >>> creation
> > > > > >>> bashing...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask
> > > > > >for
> > > > > >tax records?
Produced a President Club.
Occidental and Columbia want to be in the Produced a President Club too.
Harvard wants to put another notch it its Produced a President Club
belt.
Tribe would be castigated by the left if he said anything other than he
thinks Obama is smart.
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a71c03...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <clark-590B4C....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > In article <MPG.2a71222...@news.giganews.com>,
>
> > In article <clark-590B4C....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
> > > > bkn...@conramp.net says...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > >
> > > > In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
> > > > bkn...@conramp.net says...
> > > > >
> > > > > >> In article <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign
> > > > > >> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Funds
> > > > > >>> Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more
> > > > > >>> than
> > > > > >>> $100
> > > > > >>> than
> > > > > >>> million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo public money
> > > > > >>> for
> > > > > >>> his
> > > > > >>> campaign. Now, he faces the very real threat of being the first
> > > > > >>> president to
> > > > > >>> be outspent by a challenger.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> be outspent by a challenger.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id
> > > > > >>> /445
> > > > > >>> 682?s=
> > > > > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> /445
> > > > > >>> 682?s=
> > > > > >>> al&promo_code=F7FA-1
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and raising
> > > > > >>> DOUBLE the
> > > > > >>> money Obama is! Wall street and other rich sources for Obama in
> > > > > >>> 2008
> > > > > >>> are
> > > > > >>> donating to Romney now! Apparently they have heard all that
> > > > > >>> wealth
> > > > > >>> creation
> > > > > >>> bashing...
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Larry
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two years
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> tax returns, you'd be screaming:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are hired
> > > > > >who
> > > > > >refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many employers ask
> > > > > >for
> > > > > >tax records?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Obama should be fired :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Obama should be fired :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that both should release these records. The first one who
> > > > > does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
> > > > > hypocrite.
> > > >
> > > > Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> > > > release my transcripts.
> > >
> > > "Could"? But you know deep down that he absolutely won't. Otherwise walk
> > > up to Harvard and call Lawrence Tribe a liar. That should get you enough
> > > legal problems to see you out.
> >
> > Why would I call Lawrence Tribe a liar.
>
> Because Tribe describes Obama as one of the most intelligent students he
> ever taught.
Yeah. Hawaii is protecting Obama because it want to be in the We
> > > > > does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
> > > > > hypocrite.
> > > >
> > > > Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
> > > > release my transcripts.
> > >
> > > "Could"? But you know deep down that he absolutely won't. Otherwise walk
> > > up to Harvard and call Lawrence Tribe a liar. That should get you enough
> > > legal problems to see you out.
> >
> > Why would I call Lawrence Tribe a liar.
>
> Because Tribe describes Obama as one of the most intelligent students he
> ever taught.
Produced a President Club.
Occidental and Columbia want to be in the Produced a President Club too.
Harvard wants to put another notch it its Produced a President Club
belt.
Tribe would be castigated by the left if he said anything other than he
thinks Obama is smart.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:02:12 PM7/19/12
to
In article <clark-3691EA....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
You need to talk to tribe about not properly attributing sources. This
is near and dear to your heart, according to you.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/9/27/prof-admits-to-misusing-
source-harvard/
cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
is near and dear to your heart, according to you.
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/9/27/prof-admits-to-misusing-
source-harvard/
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:02:32 PM7/19/12
to
In article <clark-010979....@news.eternal-september.org>,
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a71c0b...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <clark-0D775B....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
Yes.
cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>
> In article <MPG.2a71c0b...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <clark-0D775B....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
> > >
> > > In article <2066149176364354209.4...@news.aioe.org>,
> > > Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > > Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 20:59:56 -0400, William Clark
> > > > > <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
> > > > >> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
> > > > >> while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
> > > > >> public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
> > > > >> Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
> > > > >> and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
> > > > >> recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
> > > > >> from running for POTUS.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > > > > has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > > > > suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > > > > the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > > > > and where his money was invested.
> > > >
> > > > > <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Actually, the question is whether Romney is a law breaker. If he is
> > > > >> not
> > > > >> releasing these tax returns (and note, he has not released a full
> > > > >> return, even for 2010, since the return on his UBS Swiss bank account,
> > > > >> while it has to be filed with the IRS, has not been released to the
> > > > >> public), then it may well be because he benefitted from an IRS Tax
> > > > >> Amnesty program that allowed citizens to own up to and pay owed taxes
> > > > >> and penalties on such accounts anonymously. Someone who has been the
> > > > >> recipient of such an amnesty for a serious crime would be disqualified
> > > > >> from running for POTUS.
> > > > >
> > > > > I suspect he didn't break the law - he can afford top tax lawyers and
> > > > > has been in politics for long enough to not want to take that risk. I
> > > > > suspect though that he doesn't want the public to know on how he used
> > > > > the law to avoid paying taxes, which companies were paying him money,
> > > > > and where his money was invested.
> > > >
> > > > What is your theory on why Obama has an alias and has not released tax
> > > > records or transcripts?
> > >
> > > > records or transcripts?
> > >
> > > My theory is that you are just a deluded zealot who has not one shred of
> > > evidence for this nonsense.
> >
> > He, Obama, did use the name Barry Sotero.
>
> So? Did he run two personas in parallel?
> > > evidence for this nonsense.
> >
> > He, Obama, did use the name Barry Sotero.
>
Yes.
Carbon
Jul 19, 2012, 7:03:23 PM7/19/12
to
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:57:30 -0400, BAR wrote:
> In article <clark-590B4C....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>> In article <MPG.2a71222...@news.giganews.com>, BAR
> In article <clark-590B4C....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>> In article <MPG.2a71222...@news.giganews.com>, BAR
>> <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
>>> bkn...@conramp.net says...
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate
>>>> <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign
>>>>>>> Funds Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more
>>>>>>> than $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo
>>>>>>> public money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real
>>>>>>> threat of being the first president to be outspent by a
>>>>>>> challenger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445
>>>>>>> 682?s= al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and
>>>>>>> raising DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich
>>>>>>> sources for Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now!
>>>>>>> Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation bashing...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>>>>>
>>> In article <bsge08ppui6e9munh...@4ax.com>,
>>> bkn...@conramp.net says...
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:10:09 +0000 (UTC), Moderate
>>>> <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <d000f860-d13d-43d7...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Buyers Remorse' Leaves Obama Campaign Struggling for Campaign
>>>>>>> Funds Wednesday, July 18, 2012 07:02 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barack Obama was the first presidential candidate to raise more
>>>>>>> than $100 million in a month and in 2008 was the first to forgo
>>>>>>> public money for his campaign. Now, he faces the very real
>>>>>>> threat of being the first president to be outspent by a
>>>>>>> challenger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.newsmax.com/US/Obama-Money-outspent-remorse/2012/07/18/id/445
>>>>>>> 682?s= al&promo_code=F7FA-1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chicago gotta be in panic mode now! Romney is ahead and
>>>>>>> raising DOUBLE the money Obama is! Wall street and other rich
>>>>>>> sources for Obama in 2008 are donating to Romney now!
>>>>>>> Apparently they have heard all that wealth creation bashing...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gonna be fun to watch. I hope he loses 48 states
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if it were the Democratic nominee who'd only released two
>>>>>> years of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are
>>>>> hired who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many
>>>>> employers ask for tax records?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama should be fired :-)
>>>>
>>>> I think that both should release these records. The first one who
>>>> does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
>>>> hypocrite.
>>>
>>> Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
>>> release my transcripts.
>>
>> "Could"? But you know deep down that he absolutely won't. Otherwise
>> walk up to Harvard and call Lawrence Tribe a liar. That should get
>> you enough legal problems to see you out.
>
> Why would I call Lawrence Tribe a liar.
Because you're dumb?
>>>>>> years of tax returns, you'd be screaming:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?!?!?!?!?!?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hahaha, academic records anyone? How many job applicants are
>>>>> hired who refuse to release their academic transcripts? How many
>>>>> employers ask for tax records?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama should be fired :-)
>>>>
>>>> I think that both should release these records. The first one who
>>>> does could have a leg up. Right now it makes Romney look the
>>>> hypocrite.
>>>
>>> Or, in Obama's situation he could wind up with an o'shit why did I
>>> release my transcripts.
>>
>> "Could"? But you know deep down that he absolutely won't. Otherwise
>> walk up to Harvard and call Lawrence Tribe a liar. That should get
>> you enough legal problems to see you out.
>
> Why would I call Lawrence Tribe a liar.
Carbon
Jul 19, 2012, 7:05:53 PM7/19/12
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what MCL means. It's certainly been explained to him enough times.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:06:21 PM7/19/12
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Carbon
Jul 19, 2012, 7:07:59 PM7/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:45:56 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <334635387364429883.20...@news.aioe.org>, Moderate
>> <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other
>>>> idiots.
>>>>
>>>> If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of
>>>> tax returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
>>>
>>> LOL, how about those academic records? How soon you forget the abuse
>>> you gave Bush.
>>
>> What about them?
>>
>> He graduated from Harvard Law...
>>
>> ...MAGNA CUM LAUDE.
>
> How was his education financed?
Since you have zero evidence of any wrongdoing, who gives a fuck.
> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <334635387364429883.20...@news.aioe.org>, Moderate
>> <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>> Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike: try not to be quite as big an idiot as some of the other
>>>> idiots.
>>>>
>>>> If it was the Democrats candidate who'd only released two years of
>>>> tax returns you'd be screaming blue murder.
>>>
>>> LOL, how about those academic records? How soon you forget the abuse
>>> you gave Bush.
>>
>> What about them?
>>
>> He graduated from Harvard Law...
>>
>> ...MAGNA CUM LAUDE.
>
> How was his education financed?
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:09:51 PM7/19/12
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In article <i42g085oditnj6qtf...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
> >
> >Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
>
> At any rate, neither side is running on academic records. Neither
> side thinks their academic records matter to this election. Would
> you change your vote upon finding some grade you didn't expect?
At any rate? Nice phrase to change the subject and I see you did a good
job of it.
> I didn't think so.
I don't think Obama went to school under the name Barack Hussein Obama.
> >> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> >> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> >> business record is an important issue.
> >
> >Why isn't Obama running on his 3.5 year economic/business record? I'll
Nice dodge, you slipped by Obama's economic record just like a pro.
> Now, they are running on the country's economic record - which happens
> to be something that Congress can influence, but is not part of what
> the president does. But they are both running on it anyway.
Now it is Congress can influence economic policy. Before it was the
Congress controls economic policy.
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:11 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> >> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> >> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
> >
> >He didn't run on his business record because he has no business record.
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:11 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released tax
> >> records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if he ran
> >> based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his colleges.
> >
> >
> >Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
> >university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean they
> >belong to the university.
>
> At any rate, neither side is running on academic records. Neither
> side thinks their academic records matter to this election. Would
> you change your vote upon finding some grade you didn't expect?
At any rate? Nice phrase to change the subject and I see you did a good
job of it.
> I didn't think so.
I don't think Obama went to school under the name Barack Hussein Obama.
> >> Romney ran on his business record. Obama is campaigning against
> >> Romney's business record. Both candidates agree that Romney's
> >> business record is an important issue.
> >
> >tell you, it is becasue Obama is a complete and total failure when it
> >comes to his economic/business record.
>
> As you said above, he doesn't *have* a business record.
>
Nice dodge, you slipped by Obama's economic record just like a pro.
> Now, they are running on the country's economic record - which happens
> to be something that Congress can influence, but is not part of what
> the president does. But they are both running on it anyway.
Now it is Congress can influence economic policy. Before it was the
Congress controls economic policy.
Moderate
Jul 19, 2012, 7:12:26 PM7/19/12
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BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <clark-3691EA....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
joke.
> In article <clark-3691EA....@news.eternal-september.org>,
> cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-state.edu says...
>>
>> His opinion, which worth far more than yours, given his track record.
>
> You need to talk to tribe about not properly attributing sources. This
> is near and dear to your heart, according to you.
>
> http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/9/27/prof-admits-to-misusing-
> source-harvard/
Hahaha, Clark's hero is a plagiarist. Clark is my favorite poster. He is a
>> His opinion, which worth far more than yours, given his track record.
>
> You need to talk to tribe about not properly attributing sources. This
> is near and dear to your heart, according to you.
>
> http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2004/9/27/prof-admits-to-misusing-
> source-harvard/
joke.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:13:42 PM7/19/12
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In article <vb6g089132qmdhdmp...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:09:01 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <4tse081l22ftflqm0...@4ax.com>,
> >bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:09:31 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >> > He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
> >> >
> >> >Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
> >> >numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
> >>
> >> More unverified rumors from a dickhead. Let's see those felonies with
> >> proof.
> >>
> >> Not happening.
> >
> >They are admissions he wrote in his books and he repeated them on the
> >audio version of the books. He has also admitted inhaling.
> >
> >The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
>
> Now you nutbag, how about the felonies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8
bkn...@conramp.net says...
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:09:01 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <4tse081l22ftflqm0...@4ax.com>,
> >bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >>
> >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:09:31 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >> > He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
> >> >
> >> >Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
> >> >numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
> >>
> >> More unverified rumors from a dickhead. Let's see those felonies with
> >> proof.
> >>
> >> Not happening.
> >
> >They are admissions he wrote in his books and he repeated them on the
> >audio version of the books. He has also admitted inhaling.
> >
> >The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
>
> Now you nutbag, how about the felonies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8
Carbon
Jul 19, 2012, 7:14:50 PM7/19/12
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:20:43 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:11 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released
>>> tax records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if
>>> he ran based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his
>>> colleges.
>>
>> He didn't run on his business record because he has no business
>> record.
>>
>> Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
>> university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean
>> they belong to the university.
>
> At any rate, neither side is running on academic records. Neither
> side thinks their academic records matter to this election. Would
> you change your vote upon finding some grade you didn't expect?
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:11 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My theory is that his alias is a birther fantasy, he has released
>>> tax records (but he didn't run on his business record), and even if
>>> he ran based upon his academic credentials, these belong to his
>>> colleges.
>>
>> He didn't run on his business record because he has no business
>> record.
>>
>> Obama's transcripts are a part of his life and are fair game. The
>> university may be the custodian of the records but it does not mean
>> they belong to the university.
>
> At any rate, neither side is running on academic records. Neither
> side thinks their academic records matter to this election. Would
> you change your vote upon finding some grade you didn't expect?
>
> I didn't think so.
One of the few connections these two guys have is they both did very
well at Harvard Law. Romney did very well and graduated Cum Laude,
almost as good as Obama.
BAR
Jul 19, 2012, 7:15:32 PM7/19/12
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In article <9c9g08hqvh8te27u7...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:03:16 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
> >as we are finding out, most of his book was BS so who knows.
>
> He later referred to that as the action of a mixed-up teenager. Hell,
> it might not even have been cocaine.
I guess Obama was just lucky that he didn't get caught and go to jail
like some others.
bkn...@conramp.net says...
>
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:03:16 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:09:01 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <4tse081l22ftflqm0...@4ax.com>,
> >>> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:09:31 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>>>> He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
> >>>>> numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
> >>>>
> >>>> More unverified rumors from a dickhead. Let's see those felonies with
> >>>> proof.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not happening.
> >>>
> >>> They are admissions he wrote in his books and he repeated them on the
> >>> audio version of the books. He has also admitted inhaling.
> >>>
> >>> The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
> >>
> >> Now you nutbag, how about the felonies?
> >>
> >Well, he did admit to cocaine use, which is a felony, is his book. But
> >bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:09:01 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <4tse081l22ftflqm0...@4ax.com>,
> >>> bkn...@conramp.net says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 21:09:31 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>>>> He had better pick his running mate very carefully indeed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obama is an admitted law breaker. He has committed several felonies and
> >>>>> numerous misdemeanors by his own admission.
> >>>>
> >>>> More unverified rumors from a dickhead. Let's see those felonies with
> >>>> proof.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not happening.
> >>>
> >>> They are admissions he wrote in his books and he repeated them on the
> >>> audio version of the books. He has also admitted inhaling.
> >>>
> >>> The eveidence is not in your favor on this one.
> >>
> >> Now you nutbag, how about the felonies?
> >>
> >as we are finding out, most of his book was BS so who knows.
>
> He later referred to that as the action of a mixed-up teenager. Hell,
> it might not even have been cocaine.
I guess Obama was just lucky that he didn't get caught and go to jail
like some others.
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