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la...@pivotforpower.com

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WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?

I hadn't thought about this - but where are Obama's past girlfriends -
surely he had at least one? No past girl friends popping up anywhere?
Strange - strange to the point of being downright weird!

OK, this is just plain old common sense, no political agendas for
either side. Just common knowledge for citizens of a country,
especially American citizens, who know every little tidbit about every
other president (and their wives) that even know that Andrew Jackson's
wife smoked a corn cob pipe and was accused of adultery, or that
Lincoln never went to school or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman
played the piano.

We are Americans! Our Media vets these things out! We are known for
our humanitarian interests and caring for our 'fellow man.' We care,
but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of
our own president.

Honestly, and this is a personal thing ... but it's bugged me for
years that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. Taken his
charisma, which caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously
during his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the
opportunity....

We all know about JFK's magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin's
courtship and even her athletic prowess were probed. Biden's aneurisms
are no secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton-we all know about their
heart problems. How could I have left out Wild Bill before or during
the White House?

Nope... not one lady has stepped up and said, "He was soooo shy," or
"What a great dancer!"

Now look at the rest of what we know... no classmates, not even the
recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him.

Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Check for groomsmen.
Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony.

Has anyone talked to the professors? Isn't it odd that no one is
bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.

When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president
provides the public with all their photos, etc. for their library.
What has he released? Nada - other than what was in this so-called
biography! And experts who study writing styles, etc. claim it was not
Obama's own words or typical of his speech patterns, etc.

Does this make any of you wonder?

Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama's past, saying
they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. ? Not
one person has ever come forward from his past. This should really be
a cause for great concern. Did you see the movie titled, The
Manchurian Candidate?

Let's face it. As insignificant as we all are... someone whom we went
to school with remembers our name or face...someone remembers we were
the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or
something about us.

George Stephanopoulos, ABC News said the same thing during the 2008
campaign. Even George questions why no one has acknowledged that the
president was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made
impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama
at Columbia-class of 1984.He says he never had a single class with
him.
Since he is such a great orator, why doesn't anyone in Obama's college
class remember him? And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his
records?
Do you like millions of others, simply assume all this is explainable
- even though no one can?

NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA

Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia
University students from the period when Obama claims to have been
there, but not one remembers him. For example,Wayne Allyn Root was
(like Obama) a political science major at Columbia , who graduated in
1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at
Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a single
classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia ... EVER!

Nobody recalls him.

Root adds that he was, "Class of '83 political science, pre-law" and
says, "You don't get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in
my life, don't know anyone who ever met him."

At our 20th class reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the
speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years
ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes,
who's kind of the, as we say in New York, 'the macha' who knows
everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him."

Obama's photograph does not appear in the school's yearbook, and Obama
consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia,
provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates
or friends while at Columbia.

How can this be?

NOTE: Wayne Allyn Root can easily be verified. He graduated
valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then
graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science
major in the same '83 class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he
was.

Some other interesting questions.

Why was Obama's law license inactivated in 2002?

Why was Michelle's law license inactivated by court order?

According to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama - but 27
Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases.

WHAT!?

The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where
he is never reported to have lived.

No wonder all his records are sealed!

Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had
to know him in school...before he "reorganized" Chicago and burst upon
the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made us swoon with his
charm, poise, and speaking pizzazz.

One of the biggest CONS this country has ever seen, and getting away
with it. Go watch the movie The Manchurian Candidate, with Lawrence
Harvey ! Good movie!
==============================================================

And he has been allowed to continue hiding his past because the
mainstream press defends him. Anyone who asks about his school
records or for his real birth certificate (not the fake that was given
to the media) is immediately tarred with the "racist" accusation.
McCain could have demanded that he reveal personal history
information-- but he shut down all talk about that within his
campaign, fearing the "racist" attack again. So Obama was allowed to
skate through even as McCain's personal records inside his home in
Arizona were searched by MSM press reporters-- same with Sarah
Palin.

But this time the Republican nominee will have that same opportunity
to DEMAND that Obama be "vetted" in depth. He can legitimately
demand that Obama reveal his school records and the details of his
home purchase in Chicago, his relationship with Ayers and Rezko, etc.
I hope Romney does that-- I KNOW Newt would. I would love to see the
campaigns start talking about it now.

Larry

Alan Baker

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Jan 20, 2012, 2:30:57 PM1/20/12
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In article
<2bdc70b3-0e0e-4900...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:

> WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?

Larry, Larry, Larry...
Obama was class of 1983. Not the same class.

> Since he is such a great orator, why doesn't anyone in Obama's college
> class remember him? And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his
> records?
> Do you like millions of others, simply assume all this is explainable
> - even though no one can?
>
> NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA

His roommate does.

>
> Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia
> University students from the period when Obama claims to have been
> there, but not one remembers him. For example,Wayne Allyn Root was
> (like Obama) a political science major at Columbia , who graduated in
> 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at
> Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a single
> classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia ... EVER!

Wayne Allyn Root was campaigning for the Libertarian party presidential
nomination at the time. Not exactly a disinterested party. And he
doesn't actually claim that Obama wasn't there. He claims that they
moved in different social circles.

>
> Nobody recalls him.

These folks do:

"Although Barack Obama may not have been particularly social or
memorable during his years at Columbia, it isn't true that "no one ever
came forward from Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school
with him, was his friend, etc." Those who have attested to having daily
personal experience with him during his time at that school include:

€ Friend and roommate Sohale Siddiqi, whom the Associated Press
located and interviewed in May 2008.

€ Roommate Phil Boerner, who provided his recollections of sharing a
New York City apartment with classmate Barack Obama to the Columbia
College Today alumni publication and the New York Times in early 2009.

€ Michael L. Baron, who taught the year-long honors seminar in
American Foreign Policy that Barack Obama took during his senior year at
Columbia and recalled in an NBC interview Obama's "easily acing" the
class and receiving an A for his senior paper on the topic of nuclear
negotiations with the Soviet Union."

<http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/columbia.asp>

>
> Root adds that he was, "Class of '83 political science, pre-law" and
> says, "You don't get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in
> my life, don't know anyone who ever met him."
>
> At our 20th class reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the
> speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years
> ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes,
> who's kind of the, as we say in New York, 'the macha' who knows
> everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him."
>
> Obama's photograph does not appear in the school's yearbook, and Obama
> consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia,
> provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates
> or friends while at Columbia.
>
> How can this be?
>
> NOTE: Wayne Allyn Root can easily be verified. He graduated
> valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then
> graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science
> major in the same '83 class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he
> was.

Here's a student newspaper article from Columbia's "Sundial" by Obama

<http://www.politico.com/static/PPM116_obamaessay.html>

>
> Some other interesting questions.
>
> Why was Obama's law license inactivated in 2002?
>
> Why was Michelle's law license inactivated by court order?
>
> According to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama - but 27
> Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases.

You simpleton. The U.S. Census cannot tell you that because it is
illegal for them to release personal information for 72 years.

<http://recordsproject.com/census/the-72-year-census-rule.asp>

> WHAT!?
>
> The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where
> he is never reported to have lived.

Really? Proof? Perhaps you shouldn't have just copied and pasted some
screed with no provenance, hmmm?
Why hasn't it already been done, Larry?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

MNMikew

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<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote in message
news:2bdc70b3-0e0e-4900...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?
>
The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college transcripts,
well, that's raaaaacist.



Alan Baker

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Jan 20, 2012, 3:05:17 PM1/20/12
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In article <9ntvju...@mid.individual.net>,
So tell us why no one from the other side of the aisle has done so,
Mike...

You really think that the "liberal mainstream press" could suppress it
successfully?

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:13:14 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
wrote:

>WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?
>
>I hadn't thought about this - but where are Obama's past girlfriends -
<clip>

Posted in usapolitics 2011-09-05

You obviously aren't smart enough to have written this so why not give
credit to the original author, Brn2bfreetaxed2death?

It's because you're a slimy poseur. Plagiarism shows your base
tendencies LLLLLLarrry.


BK

Alan Baker

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Jan 20, 2012, 3:20:41 PM1/20/12
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In article <caijh79iiic8h5tb7...@4ax.com>,
And then there's the little matter of the fact that it's all malarkey.

Marko

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Mabe ex-girlfriends of presidents is not a popular topic. In fact, I
can't think one ex-girlfriend of any president in my lifetime. I
guess the exception would be some of the run-ins Clinton had, but that
was because the liberal media was obviously out to get a Repu...oh,
forget it.

It's not as if Bush43's ex-girlfriends are now all reality TV stars.
Seriously, can you think of one ex-girlfriend that W had? Me neither,
so why should we be so informed on Obama's past social life?

Moderate

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Jan 20, 2012, 5:55:12 PM1/20/12
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There was a lot of press about Bush's past. Heck they even fabricated a
story about him being AWOL.

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:55:12 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
Right on target as usual. What does that have to do with his social
life?

BK

Alan Baker

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Jan 20, 2012, 6:16:52 PM1/20/12
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In article <1401062926348792763.8...@news.aioe.org>,
Have any witnesses come forward to say they saw Bush during his service
in the National Guard, 1972-1973?

BAR

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In article <2bdc70b3-0e0e-4900-bf13-
db58b7...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, la...@pivotforpower.com
says...
>
> WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?

They all bled out from the self flagellation.

They were heard to say, I could have been Madam First Lady if I had put
up with that asshole for 25 or 30 years.

BAR

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Jan 20, 2012, 7:06:19 PM1/20/12
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In article <23tjh75sc8n7fj22q...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
We know about Teddy Kennedy's social life. Driving cars off of bridges
and leaving his dates to drown in the cars. Making waitress sandwiches
with Chris Dodd. Partying with your 25 year old nephew and allegedly
falling asleep while he raped some young lady in your beach home.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Whoosh. Another non sequitur from Bert.

Now go back and explain what being AWOL has to do with Bush's social
life and you'll be on track again.

BK

la...@pivotforpower.com

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On Jan 20, 4:15 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:06:19 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >In article <23tjh75sc8n7fj22q9nlfs5r9g12qmk...@4ax.com>,
> >bkni...@conramp.net says...
>
> >> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:55:12 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >Marko <coldm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Mabe ex-girlfriends of presidents is not a popular topic.  In fact, I
> >> >> can't think one ex-girlfriend of any president in my lifetime.  I
> >> >> guess the exception would be some of the run-ins Clinton had, but that
> >> >> was because the liberal media was obviously out to get a Repu...oh,
> >> >> forget it.
>
> >> >> It's not as if Bush43's ex-girlfriends are now all reality TV stars.
> >> >> Seriously, can you think of one ex-girlfriend that W had?  Me neither,
> >> >> so why should we be so informed on Obama's past social life?
>
> >> >There was a lot of press about Bush's past. Heck they even fabricated a
> >> >story about him being AWOL.
>
> >> Right on target as usual.  What does that have to do with his social
> >> life?
>
> >We know about Teddy Kennedy's social life. Driving cars off of bridges
> >and leaving his dates to drown in the cars. Making waitress sandwiches
> >with Chris Dodd. Partying with your 25 year old nephew and allegedly
> >falling asleep while he raped some young lady in your beach home.
>
> Whoosh.  Another non sequitur from Bert.
>
> Now go back and explain what being AWOL has to do with Bush's social
> life and you'll be on track again.
>
> BK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1YD0vfnlT8&feature=youtu.be

It matters because we probably elected someone who was ineligible--
and he should be blocked from reelection.

Larry

Alan Baker

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Jan 20, 2012, 8:59:24 PM1/20/12
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In article
<fcbb4d23-f9d7-45b5...@o20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Hmmmm....

Sounds like someone who is growing worried that none of the Republican
potential candidates can be him to me. :-)

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:50:55 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
wrote:
Well now. The slime ball plagiarist also has non sequitur problems.
Hint: the two issues have nothing to do with each other...nor the
silly looking video either.

BK

Hollis2

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On Jan 20 2012 3:05 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

> In article <9ntvju...@mid.individual.net>,
> "MNMikew" <MNMi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote in message
> > news:2bdc70b3-0e0e-4900...@o9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > > WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?
> > >
> > The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
> > Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college transcripts,
> > well, that's raaaaacist.
>
> So tell us why no one from the other side of the aisle has done so,
> Mike...

I've seen Bush 41's college transcript and his SAT scores. Same for Al
Gore and John Kerry (after the election). McCain released his medical
reports after he came back from Vietnam which contained his IQ score.
McCain's class standing at Annapolis is also known.

Every president since Nixon has released at least some of their tax
returns. Obama has released all of his federal and state returns since
2000.

------ 


Alan Baker

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In article <1akpu8x...@app-01.ezprovider.com>,
How does any of that answer the question?

Howard Brazee

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:30:57 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
wrote:

>> NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
>
>His roommate does.

Hermann Goering was right. Repeat a lie enough and there will people
who believe it.

When the facts disagree, repeat the lie more.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Howard Brazee

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:03:09 -0600, "MNMikew" <MNMi...@aol.com>
wrote:

>The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
>Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college transcripts,
>well, that's raaaaacist.

The "liberal mainstream press" does what its Big Business owners tell
it to do.

Moderate

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Bush's social life was well documented. You wake up in a new world every
day.

Alan Baker

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In article <672363440348807366.36...@news.aioe.org>,
So you should have no trouble naming a couple his ex-girlfriends from
his university days....

Moderate

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Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <1401062926348792763.8...@news.aioe.org>,
> Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> There was a lot of press about Bush's past. Heck they even fabricated a
>> story about him being AWOL.
>
> Have any witnesses come forward to say they saw Bush during his service
> in the National Guard, 1972-1973?

Absolutely. You wake up in a new world every day as well. We discussed this
extensively. I posted multiple cites.

Alan Baker

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In article <2136229234348807472.0...@news.aioe.org>,
You did? Let's see a link to one of these cites...

BAR

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Jan 20, 2012, 10:05:40 PM1/20/12
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In article <qa7kh7ppv87fic30u...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
The conversation shall not deviate unless the Bobby approves.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 20, 2012, 10:13:23 PM1/20/12
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 02:57:27 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
You don't. Always the same stale bullshit from the pansy.
AWOL has nothing to do with social life numbskull.

BK

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 20, 2012, 10:15:11 PM1/20/12
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Unless a deviate deviates. Guess who? :-)
BK

BAR

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Jan 20, 2012, 10:17:22 PM1/20/12
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In article <j7bkh752nn11ta4vn...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Sure it does.

Carbon

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:51:35 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:03:09 -0600, "MNMikew" <MNMi...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
>> Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college
>> transcripts, well, that's raaaaacist.
>
> The "liberal mainstream press" does what its Big Business owners tell
> it to do.

Just like the conservative mainstream press.

bkn...@conramp.net

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The two of you are a matched pair. Nut jobs.

BK

Moderate

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BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <qa7kh7ppv87fic30u...@4ax.com>,
> bkn...@conramp.net says...
>>
>> Well now. The slime ball plagiarist also has non sequitur problems.
>> Hint: the two issues have nothing to do with each other...nor the
>> silly looking video either.
>
> The conversation shall not deviate unless the Bobby approves.

BK is a control freak. He likes to act like he is in charge. He is an
Internet stalker with self esteem issues.

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 12:25:21 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
Only a fools such as you even consider the possibility of control
over, or anyone being in charge of, a Usenet forum. But then
pansies are always paranoid about being controlled even when there is
no possibility of it.

BK

Horva...@net.net

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 19:50:37 -0700, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
wrote this crap:

>On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:30:57 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>> NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
>>
>>His roommate does.
>
>Hermann Goering was right. Repeat a lie enough and there will people
>who believe it.
>
>When the facts disagree, repeat the lie more.

That was Joseph Goebbels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

Horva...@net.net

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On 21 Jan 2012 03:29:36 GMT, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
wrote this crap:

>>
>> The "liberal mainstream press" does what its Big Business owners tell
>> it to do.
>
>Just like the conservative mainstream press.

There's a conservative mainstream press? Oh I get it, you're making a
funny.

Howard Brazee

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On 21 Jan 2012 03:29:36 GMT, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:

>>> The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
>>> Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college
>>> transcripts, well, that's raaaaacist.
>>
>> The "liberal mainstream press" does what its Big Business owners tell
>> it to do.
>
>Just like the conservative mainstream press.

Yep. And Big Business isn't liberal.

Dene

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On Jan 20, 7:02 pm, Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
> Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article <1401062926348792763.850519nospam-nomail....@news.aioe.org>,
> >  Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> >> There was a lot of press about Bush's past. Heck they even fabricated a
> >> story about him being AWOL.
>
> > Have any witnesses come forward to say they saw Bush during his service
> > in the National Guard, 1972-1973?
>
> Absolutely. You wake up in a new world every day as well. We discussed this
> extensively. I posted multiple cites.

Do you honestly think your cites...your answers.....mean anything to
UA. He's a troll. There is no such thing as an honest debate with
him. Best to completely ignore him.

-Greg

BAR

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In article <ffllh7dqcfp3go9dn...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On 21 Jan 2012 03:29:36 GMT, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>> The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
> >>> Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college
> >>> transcripts, well, that's raaaaacist.
> >>
> >> The "liberal mainstream press" does what its Big Business owners tell
> >> it to do.
> >
> >Just like the conservative mainstream press.
>
> Yep. And Big Business isn't liberal.

I just heard that Bain Capital has donated more to Democrats than
Republicans. So much for Romney's continued influence at Bain.


Howard Brazee

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:02:50 -0500, Horva...@net.net wrote:

>>Hermann Goering was right. Repeat a lie enough and there will people
>>who believe it.
>>
>>When the facts disagree, repeat the lie more.
>
>That was Joseph Goebbels.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

Thanks. I wasn't sure, and did a quick Google on Goering and lies
and found what appeared to be a match. I should have looked more
closely.

Horva...@net.net

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On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:16:52 -0800, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net>
wrote this crap:

>In article <1401062926348792763.8...@news.aioe.org>,
> Moderate <nos...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marko <cold...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Mabe ex-girlfriends of presidents is not a popular topic. In fact, I
>> > can't think one ex-girlfriend of any president in my lifetime. I
>> > guess the exception would be some of the run-ins Clinton had, but that
>> > was because the liberal media was obviously out to get a Repu...oh,
>> > forget it.
>> >
>> > It's not as if Bush43's ex-girlfriends are now all reality TV stars.
>> > Seriously, can you think of one ex-girlfriend that W had? Me neither,
>> > so why should we be so informed on Obama's past social life?
>>
>> There was a lot of press about Bush's past. Heck they even fabricated a
>> story about him being AWOL.
>
>Have any witnesses come forward to say they saw Bush during his service
>in the National Guard, 1972-1973?

Yes. It was in his book.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Overall that's true, but here's a quote from that same source:

"Romney has collected more money from Basin Capital employees than any
federal candidate since the beginning of 2007, amassing more than
$166,000 in contributions. He took more than $84,000 from Bain
employees in the first three quarters of 2011".

BK

BAR

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In article <kfolh757ms5vbfmmo...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
When you put that up against what the DC law firms have been giving to
Obama it is irrelevant.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Do you just never understand anything Bert? You said "So much for
Romney's continued influence at Bain". That is negated with the quote
above.

It's relevant to your statement, but you have to move the goalpost
trying to look intelligent. Didn't work.

BK

Horva...@net.net

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 08:38:51 -0700, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net>
wrote this crap:

>On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:02:50 -0500, Horva...@net.net wrote:
>
>>>Hermann Goering was right. Repeat a lie enough and there will people
>>>who believe it.
>>>
>>>When the facts disagree, repeat the lie more.
>>
>>That was Joseph Goebbels.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
>
>Thanks. I wasn't sure, and did a quick Google on Goering and lies
>and found what appeared to be a match. I should have looked more
>closely.

No problem. Everybody makes mistakes. I learned in the military that
you should correct mistakes ASAP. Never try to cover them up.

Howard Brazee

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:53:52 -0500, Horva...@net.net wrote:

>>>That was Joseph Goebbels.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
>>
>>Thanks. I wasn't sure, and did a quick Google on Goering and lies
>>and found what appeared to be a match. I should have looked more
>>closely.
>
>No problem. Everybody makes mistakes. I learned in the military that
>you should correct mistakes ASAP. Never try to cover them up.

The main reason I thanked you, is that I want to make sure people know
that I want to correct my mistakes. Some people get upset when
shown they are wrong. Those people stay wrong, which isn't something
I want to do.

Not the only reason, but it is a big reason.

Howard Brazee

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:42:27 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

>I just heard that Bain Capital has donated more to Democrats than
>Republicans. So much for Romney's continued influence at Bain.

I've heard that too. Of course it donates to the side it wants to
buy.

I haven't heard people accusing Romney of having current influence at
Bain, but I suppose it's out there (we can find all sorts of
accusations on the net). I've heard lots of people claiming that
Romney was a Bain partner with Bain philosophy and Bain type profits
for the manipulators at the expense of the workers. Which claims
work just as well with Bain having Democratic politicians on its
payroll.

Carbon

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The lobbyists and those they represent try to buy influence from whoever
is in power. News at 11.

Carbon

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I disagree with this. Alan will argue basically indefinitely if he
thinks someone is factually wrong. But he's not irrational, or at least
not any less rational than those who decided to go to war with him.

Dene

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He doesn't anything, Carbs. He nitpicks until he gets his desired
reaction. You need to change those pink lenses. :)

Carbon

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I've seen it a hundred times. Above, immoderate states that reports of
Bush going AWOL were fabricated. Of course he has no idea what actually
happened. Alan jumped him because he stated a WAG as fact. Hell, I've
jumped him for the same kind of crap. His brain is made of wood.

Moderate

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Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I've seen it a hundred times. Above, immoderate states that reports of
> Bush going AWOL were fabricated. Of course he has no idea what actually
> happened. Alan jumped him because he stated a WAG as fact. Hell, I've
> jumped him for the same kind of crap. His brain is made of wood.

I do know what happened. The main stream press fabricated a story and got
caught.

Dene

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> jumped him for the same kind of crap. His brain is made of wood.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The distinction is that you care about the truth, Carbs. With you,
there is an honest debate. UA just cares about the argument.

-Greg

kenpitts

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> jumped him for the same kind of crap. His brain is made of wood.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

1. I was in the reserves during the same time frame.

2. It was a joke.

3. Bush earned his wings and got all his required flight hours during
his two years active.

4. He was rated oin the F102. It was going OOC. The only way he could
qualify on some thing else was to re-up. He was not doing that.

5. Missing a reserve meeting is about the same as missing a den
meeting in the Cub Scouts. The left was trying to smear W with
something that was about as serious as a couple of parking tickets.
Kerry was the one who needed a good hard look. Of course, the Swift
Boaters were the only ones willing to do that.

6. W mustered out with an honorable discharge. As a VietNam era vet it
is good enough for me.

7. The one who stinks is Kerry. Possible criminal activities with the
VietNam Veterans against the war. Treasonous activities by meeting
with the North Vietnamese while still a Naval Officer and while Dr
Kissinger was conducting negotiations actually representing the US
government.. Kerry didn't muster out until years after his service was
completed. What's up with that? Then there was this anti-American
screed.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Soldier-John-Kerry/dp/002073610X

8. Dan Rather tried to fix the 2004 election with fabricated
documents. He was removed from his career in shame. Good riddance.

Ken

kenpitts

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On Jan 20, 1:13 pm, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> WHERE ARE THE GIRLFRIENDS?
>
> I hadn't thought about this - but where are Obama's past girlfriends -
> surely he had at least one? No past girl friends popping up anywhere?
> Strange - strange to the point of being downright weird!
>
> OK, this is just plain old common sense, no political agendas for
> either side. Just common knowledge for citizens of a country,
> especially American citizens, who know every little tidbit about every
> other president (and their wives) that even know that Andrew Jackson's
> wife smoked a corn cob pipe and was accused of adultery, or that
> Lincoln never went to school or Kennedy wore a back brace or Truman
> played the piano.
>
> We are Americans! Our Media vets these things out! We are known for
> our humanitarian interests and caring for our 'fellow man.' We care,
> but none of us know one single humanizing fact about the history of
> our own president.
>
> Honestly, and this is a personal thing ... but it's bugged me for
> years that no one who ever dated him ever showed up. Taken his
> charisma, which caused the women to be drawn to him so obviously
> during his campaign, looks like some lady would not have missed the
> opportunity....
>
> We all know about JFK's magnetism, McCain was no monk, Palin's
> courtship and even her athletic prowess were probed. Biden's aneurisms
> are no secret. Look at Cheney and Clinton-we all know about their
> heart problems. How could I have left out Wild Bill before or during
> the White House?
>
> Nope... not one lady has stepped up and said, "He was soooo shy," or
> "What a great dancer!"
>
> Now look at the rest of what we know... no classmates, not even the
> recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him.
>
> Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Check for groomsmen.
> Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony.
>
> Has anyone talked to the professors? Isn't it odd that no one is
> bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.
>
> When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president
> provides the public with all their photos, etc. for their library.
> What has he released? Nada - other than what was in this so-called
> biography! And experts who study writing styles, etc. claim it was not
> Obama's own words or typical of his speech patterns, etc.
>
> Does this make any of you wonder?
>
> Ever wonder why no one ever came forward from Obama's past, saying
> they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. ? Not
> one person has ever come forward from his past. This should really be
> a cause for great concern. Did you see the movie titled, The
> Manchurian Candidate?
>
> Let's face it. As insignificant as we all are... someone whom we went
> to school with remembers our name or face...someone remembers we were
> the clown or the dork or the brain or the quiet one or the bully or
> something about us.
>
> George Stephanopoulos, ABC News said the same thing during the 2008
> campaign. Even George questions why no one has acknowledged that the
> president was in their classroom or ate in the same cafeteria or made
> impromptu speeches on campus. Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama
> at Columbia-class of 1984.He says he never had a single class with
> him.
> Since he is such a great orator, why doesn't anyone in Obama's college
> class remember him? And, why won't he allow Columbia to release his
> records?
> Do you like millions of others, simply assume all this is explainable
> - even though no one can?
>
> NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA
>
> Looking for evidence of Obama's past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia
> University students from the period when Obama claims to have been
> there, but not one remembers him. For example,Wayne Allyn Root was
> (like Obama) a political science major at Columbia , who graduated in
> 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at
> Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a single
> classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia ... EVER!
>
> Nobody recalls him.
>
> Root adds that he was, "Class of '83 political science, pre-law" and
> says, "You don't get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in
> my life, don't know anyone who ever met him."
>
> At our 20th class reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the
> speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years
> ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes,
> who's kind of the, as we say in New York, 'the macha' who knows
> everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him."
>
> Obama's photograph does not appear in the school's yearbook, and Obama
> consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia,
> provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates
> or friends while at Columbia.
>
> How can this be?
>
> NOTE: Wayne Allyn Root can easily be verified. He graduated
> valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School , then
> graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a Political Science
> major in the same '83 class in which Barack Hussein Obama states he
> was.
>
> Some other interesting questions.
>
> Why was Obama's law license inactivated in 2002?
>
> Why was Michelle's law license inactivated by court order?
>
> According to the U.S. Census, there is only one Barack Obama - but 27
> Social Security numbers and over 80 aliases.
>
> WHAT!?
>
> The Social Security number he uses now originated in Connecticut where
> he is never reported to have lived.
>
> No wonder all his records are sealed!
>
> Please continue sending this out to everyone. Somewhere, someone had
> to know him in school...before he "reorganized" Chicago and burst upon
> the scene at the 2004 Democratic Convention and made us swoon with his
> charm, poise, and speaking pizzazz.
>
> One of the biggest CONS this country has ever seen, and getting away
> with it. Go watch the movie The Manchurian Candidate, with Lawrence
> Harvey ! Good movie!
> ==============================================================
>
> And he has been allowed to continue hiding his past because the
> mainstream press defends him.  Anyone who asks about his school
> records or for his real birth certificate (not the fake that was given
> to the media) is immediately tarred with the "racist" accusation.
> McCain could have demanded that he reveal personal history
> information-- but he shut down all talk about that within his
> campaign, fearing the "racist" attack again.  So Obama was allowed to
> skate through even as McCain's personal records inside his home in
> Arizona were searched by MSM press reporters-- same with Sarah
> Palin.
>
> But this time the Republican nominee will have that same opportunity
> to DEMAND that Obama be "vetted" in depth.   He can legitimately
> demand that Obama reveal his school records and the details of his
> home purchase in Chicago, his relationship with Ayers and Rezko, etc.
> I hope Romney does that-- I KNOW Newt would.  I would love to see the
> campaigns start talking about it now.
>
> Larry

Why can't we see the academic records from Pepperdine, Columbia or
Harvard Law? Also, how did BHO finance all this when his mother was a
welfare recipient? We know for sure he was a pot-head.

Ken

Moderate

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We know he was a coke-head.

Carbon

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You believe you know. Not the same thing.

BAR

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In article <pan.2012.01...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Dan Rather from HD TV on line 1.

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:20:03 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
Revisionist history at it's best.

CBS or Rather did NOT fabricate the report. Their downfall was in
not verifying the charges against Bush supposedly made by Killiam and
then saying that they had been authenticated.

That's a far cry from main stream press fabricating the story, but
you never let facts get in the way of your politics.

BK

kenpitts

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No, Rather didn't do it himself. But, he used documents that were
refuted in short order by conservative bloggers. He was in such a rush
to damage W that there was no due dilligence. Similar to the
lamestream media leaving the investigative work to Matt Drudge
regarding Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky.

The sad part is that what they were trying to pin on W was not a big
deal. He did his two years active. He did all his required flight
hours. I can tell you first hand that missing a reserve meeting or
even five is not a big deal. They thought they had something, when in
actuality they had nothing.

Rather got what he deserved for having an agenda.

Ken

Moderate

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Wrong again, stalker.

Moderate

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Whatever you say AB.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 22, 2012, 9:52:22 PM1/22/12
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Bullshit Ken. Ultra right wing blindness gets in your way. The agenda
was with two Air Force reserve officers who had it in for Bush. CBS
and Rather got what they deserved for lying about having
authenticating the papers. You might want to think about the
"blamestream" media that saw to it that this was revealed. Bloggers
didn't get this to the general public. Way to easy to try and blame
all of the media on everything, which is something that both sides do.

BK

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:48:55 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:

><bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:20:03 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do know what happened. The main stream press fabricated a story and got
>>> caught.
>>
>>
>> Revisionist history at it's best.
>>
>> CBS or Rather did NOT fabricate the report. Their downfall was in
>> not verifying the charges against Bush supposedly made by Killiam and
>> then saying that they had been authenticated.
>>
>> That's a far cry from main stream press fabricating the story, but
>> you never let facts get in the way of your politics.
>>
>> BK
>
>I'm Wrong again, stalker.


I fixed your post. Glad that you admit it Pussy.

BK

kenpitts

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> BK- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah, Rather and his producer. They were rushing to judgement. And
they got canned for it. Rather would have sold his mother to get Bush
beaten in 2004. He should have paid more attention Cronkite when he
had the honor of being around the man.

I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.

Those outlets that are considered mainstream have been carrying water
for the Democrats all the way back to Reagan. Farther back than that
really.

Ken

Alan Baker

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In article
<8b2e37e4-be9a-4adb...@t13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
kenpitts <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 22, 7:15 pm, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:20:03 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> I've seen it a hundred times. Above, immoderate states that reports of
> > >> Bush going AWOL were fabricated. Of course he has no idea what actually
> > >> happened. Alan jumped him because he stated a WAG as fact. Hell, I've
> > >> jumped him for the same kind of crap. His brain is made of wood.
> >
> > >I do know what happened. The main stream press fabricated a story and got
> > >caught.
> >
> > Revisionist history at it's best.
> >
> >  CBS or Rather did NOT fabricate the report.  Their downfall was in
> > not verifying the charges against Bush supposedly made by Killiam and
> > then saying that they had been authenticated.
> >
> >  That's a far cry from main stream press fabricating the story, but
> > you never let facts get in the way of your politics.
> >
> > BK
>
> No, Rather didn't do it himself. But, he used documents that were
> refuted in short order by conservative bloggers. He was in such a rush
> to damage W that there was no due dilligence. Similar to the
> lamestream media leaving the investigative work to Matt Drudge
> regarding Clinton's behavior with Monica Lewinsky.

I'm sorry, but you need to clearly admit that the "main stream press"
did not "fabricate" anything in this case.

They may be guilty of insufficiently checking their facts, but that's
not the same thing.

>
> The sad part is that what they were trying to pin on W was not a big
> deal. He did his two years active. He did all his required flight
> hours. I can tell you first hand that missing a reserve meeting or
> even five is not a big deal. They thought they had something, when in
> actuality they had nothing.

He missed his required physical. It is a big deal for an alleged pilot.

>
> Rather got what he deserved for having an agenda.
>
> Ken

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Howard Brazee

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:52:22 -0600, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:

>Bullshit Ken. Ultra right wing blindness gets in your way. The agenda
>was with two Air Force reserve officers who had it in for Bush.

Very similar, but not nearly as effective as the Swift Boat lies.

Funny how many people accept the lies that hurt the opponents, but
reject the lies that hurt their candidate.

Howard Brazee

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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0800 (PST), kenpitts
<ken....@gmail.com> wrote:

>I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
>conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.

Most Americans aren't conservative like you.

Moderate

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Wow, what a control freak. You wili, lie, cheat, steal or Stalk when
someone's point of view differs from the narrow scope of your bias.

BAR

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In article <trcph75tibi861kmp...@4ax.com>,
bkn...@conramp.net says...
Verifying the charges or verifying the documents. Mapes' position was
that until the documents were proved to be false they were ok to air for
the story. The ethical and moral lapses in today's forth estate are mind
boggling.

Is that what the teach in J school these days?

BAR

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In article <oulph7lqa3s1hksqf...@4ax.com>,
how...@brazee.net says...
>
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0800 (PST), kenpitts
> <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
> >conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
>
> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.

Most Americans are not liberal like you.

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:41:43 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:

><bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:48:55 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm Wrong again, stalker.
>>
>>
>> I fixed your post. Glad that you admit it Pussy.
>>
>> BK
>
>Wow, what a control freak. You wili, lie, cheat, steal or Stalk when
>someone's point of view differs from the narrow scope of your bias.

You're cute when stumped. :-)
BK

bkn...@conramp.net

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Of course not, and they paid for their actions. The gist though is
that they didn't fabricate the story as Moderate so stupidly said.


BK

Carbon

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:48:57 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:20:03 +0000, Moderate wrote:
>>> Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've seen it a hundred times. Above, immoderate states that reports
>>>> of Bush going AWOL were fabricated. Of course he has no idea what
>>>> actually happened. Alan jumped him because he stated a WAG as fact.
>>>> Hell, I've jumped him for the same kind of crap. His brain is made
>>>> of wood.
>>>
>>> I do know what happened. The main stream press fabricated a story
>>> and got caught.
>>
>> You believe you know. Not the same thing.
>
> Whatever you say AB.

What is known is that the media published a bunch of convincing-looking
documentation about Bush which was later claimed to have been created in
a font that did not exist in the early 70's. It is not known who created
the documentation in question, nor is it known what the originals said.
For all you know, the published documentation could have been
near-replicas of the originals.

As is so often the case, you have no way of knowing what really
happened. But don't let that stop you from believing you know the real
truth.

MNMikew

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"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0800 (PST), kenpitts
> <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
>>conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
>
> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
>
Wrong.


MNMikew

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"BAR" <sc...@you.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ffllh7dqcfp3go9dn...@4ax.com>,
> how...@brazee.net says...
>>
>> On 21 Jan 2012 03:29:36 GMT, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>> The liberal mainstream press had no intentions of ever vetting the
>> >>> Obamessiah. And if asked to show his tax returns or college
>> >>> transcripts, well, that's raaaaacist.
>> >>
>> >> The "liberal mainstream press" does what its Big Business owners tell
>> >> it to do.
>> >
>> >Just like the conservative mainstream press.
>>
>> Yep. And Big Business isn't liberal.
>
> I just heard that Bain Capital has donated more to Democrats than
> Republicans. So much for Romney's continued influence at Bain.
>
>
Obama just recently put an ex-Bain'er on his staff.


Howard Brazee

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:03:00 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:

>> >I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
>> >conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
>>
>> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
>
>Most Americans are not liberal like you.

I never claimed they are - for any value of "liberal".

The polls say that "most Americans" aren't conservative (nor liberal).
And I will add that the "like you" that is in your claim is a subset
of that minority.

It is easy to assume that "it's only natural", that people are like
yourself, especially when you select people like yourself to be with.
But it isn't hard to do some research to learn the facts.

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 23, 2012, 11:28:32 AM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:49:14 -0600, "MNMikew" <MNMi...@aol.com>
wrote:
That doesn't wash Mike. If so there would always be a Republican in
the White House.

I would hope that the majority are centrists and chose their
representatives on merit rather than affiliation.

BK

Howard Brazee

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:28:32 -0600, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:

>>> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
>>>
>>Wrong.
>>
>That doesn't wash Mike. If so there would always be a Republican in
>the White House.

And not a Bush/Obama clone.

But the definition of "conservative" has changed over the years.
Reagan wouldn't qualify these days.

>I would hope that the majority are centrists and chose their
>representatives on merit rather than affiliation.

"Merit" depends upon what is valued.

If your values are similar to what Jesus Christ valued, then you will
be liberal. If you value foreign wars, then you can be either
Republican or Democratic. If you value controlling other people's
diets, then you will be Democratic. If you value controlling other
people's sex lives, then you will be Republican. If you don't mind
candidates from both sides working for Big Business, then you don't
mind giving up your choice. All sorts of values can be associated
with left, right, or center.

MNMikew

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"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:03:00 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
>>> >I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
>>> >conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
>>>
>>> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
>>
>>Most Americans are not liberal like you.
>
> I never claimed they are - for any value of "liberal".
>
> The polls say that "most Americans" aren't conservative (nor liberal).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx


MNMikew

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<bkn...@conramp.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:49:14 -0600, "MNMikew" <MNMi...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
>>news:oulph7lqa3s1hksqf...@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0800 (PST), kenpitts
>>> <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
>>>>conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
>>>
>>> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
>>>
>>Wrong.
>>
> That doesn't wash Mike. If so there would always be a Republican in
> the White House.

That isn't really how politics works.
>
> I would hope that the majority are centrists and chose their
> representatives on merit rather than affiliation.
>
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx


bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 23, 2012, 1:25:29 PM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:52:50 -0600, "MNMikew" <MNMi...@aol.com>
wrote:
40% isn't most.

BK

Moderate

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Jan 23, 2012, 1:26:20 PM1/23/12
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That is the gist of the story.

Moderate

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<bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:41:43 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> <bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:48:55 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm Wrong again, stalker.
>>>
>>>
>>> I fixed your post. Glad that you admit it Pussy.
>>>
>>> BK
>>
>> Wow, what a control freak. You wili, lie, cheat, steal or Stalk when
>> someone's point of view differs from the narrow scope of your bias.
>
> You're cute when stumped. :-)
> BK

Stumped? I am not surprised you would alter my post. I would not put
anything past you. You harbor a lot of hate. You should seek professional
help.

Alan Baker

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Jan 23, 2012, 1:34:40 PM1/23/12
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In article <9o5l3i...@mid.individual.net>,
And 40% is "most Americans"?

No.

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:26:20 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
wrote:
You'd argue with a stop sign. If you had an ounce of integrity you'd
acknowledge that there was absolutely no fabrication by the media in
this instance...but by two Air Force Reserve officers. But then you
have no integrity...just the ramblings and mumblings of someone who
seldom gets anything right. Oh, that's wrong. Everything about you is
ultra-right, but seldom correct.

BK

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 23, 2012, 1:38:14 PM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:26:22 +0000 (UTC), Moderate <nos...@nomail.com>
Poor little Mod. You've been so mistreated. As Alan would say, LOL.

BK

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Jan 23, 2012, 2:06:35 PM1/23/12
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> truth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

When will the MSM join World Net Daily in going after the phony Obama
Birth Certificate? The Obama team is desperately working to quash
every court hearing to prevent it evolving to the stage wherein
plaintiff lawyers are authorized to subpoena Obama's documents-- and
to bring experts to testify about the "birth certificate" that has
been so roundly disqualified by former FBI experts. It was almost
childish-- but the MSM accepted it!

But all it takes is ONE state refusing to allow their electors to vote
for Obama after the election. All it takes is ONE state using
questions about Obama's eligibility to open a new federal court
hearing-- and that one could result in the subpoenas that will
disqualify Obama. I think he will resign when he sees that coming--
because his being declared ineligible for a second term-- means that
every document he signed while in his first term is invalid!!! What
a mess!

Larry

bkn...@conramp.net

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Jan 23, 2012, 2:14:11 PM1/23/12
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:06:35 -0800 (PST), la...@pivotforpower.com
wrote:
You are such a douche bag. If this is the best argument you have
against Obama you haven't been paying attention. Giving conservatives
a bad name is your stock in trade.

BK

Alan Baker

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Jan 23, 2012, 2:48:44 PM1/23/12
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In article
<1d3db3a2-c033-4962...@k28g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> When will the MSM join World Net Daily...

"World Net Daily", Larry? You're throwing in with the absolute nut jobs
now?

But enough of this!

"Waiting for Alan to show his stuff, sorta like the strutting and
flexing before a cage match. I showed that I can hit them straight
and long with every club. My swing may not look like a pro's, I need
to rehearse my backswing, get it right and then swing, but I do find a
way to hit it crisp and propel that sucker toward the target. I don't
play the treeline and I seldom need to recover from beside or over the
greens.

Hey AB, put up or shut up. There is no shame in backing down when you
know you are in WAY over your head."

I'm in.

Put up or shut up.

:-)

Don Kirkman

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. . . since moderates and liberals account for 56%. :-)
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

bkn...@conramp.net

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 14:11:28 -0800, Don Kirkman <don...@charter.net>
Now if it had been said that conservatives were the largest of the
minorities they'd have a case. Weak, but a case. :-) As it is it's
just wrong.

BK

Carbon

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:06:35 -0800, larry wrote:

> When will the MSM join World Net Daily in going after the phony Obama
> Birth Certificate?

Larry. Even the other trolls have given up on this one. It's over. Time
to move on.

Carbon

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Jan 23, 2012, 6:46:42 PM1/23/12
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Classic.

Carbon

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On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:26:20 +0000, Moderate wrote:
> <bkn...@conramp.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:00:39 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is that what the teach in J school these days?
>>
>> Of course not, and they paid for their actions. The gist though is
>> that they didn't fabricate the story as Moderate so stupidly said.
>
> That is the gist of the story.

Bullshit.

MNMikew

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<bkn...@conramp.net> wrote in message
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Largest of the minorities?


MNMikew

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"Don Kirkman" <don...@charter.net> wrote in message
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But conservatives and moderates account for 75% :-)


MNMikew

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"Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Who needs the birther BS when we have so much ammo from his record anyway.


Alan Baker

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Jan 23, 2012, 7:05:14 PM1/23/12
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In article <9o6aom...@mid.individual.net>,
Tell it to Larry...

kenpitts

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On Jan 22, 9:45 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0800 (PST), kenpitts
>
> <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
> >conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
>
> Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
>
> --
> "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>
> - James Madison

Why are you suddenly slamming me?

More Americans are conservative than liberal. And the independent vote
that got Obama elected in 2008 is going to clobber him and all Dems
this year. Watch and find out.

Ken

Alan Baker

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Jan 23, 2012, 7:12:24 PM1/23/12
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In article
<c640f70e-d5c3-408b...@g27g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
kenpitts <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 22, 9:45 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:58:39 -0800 (PST), kenpitts
> >
> > <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >I don't have any blinders on. And I am not ultra anything. I'm a
> > >conservative like most Americans. We will speak loudly in November.
> >
> > Most Americans aren't conservative like you.
> >
> > --
> > "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> > than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> > to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
> >
> > - James Madison
>
> Why are you suddenly slamming me?

Why are you whining about being slammed when he didn't slam you?

I mean, I know why you're whining--it's what you do and you love the
pity party, but presumably you're proud to call yourself a conservative,
so how is identifying you as one a slam.

Are you secretly ashamed of it?

>
> More Americans are conservative than liberal. And the independent vote
> that got Obama elected in 2008 is going to clobber him and all Dems
> this year. Watch and find out.

Indeed... ...let's do that.

:-)

kenpitts

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Jan 23, 2012, 7:18:19 PM1/23/12
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On Jan 22, 9:45 pm, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:52:22 -0600, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> >Bullshit Ken.  Ultra right wing blindness gets in your way. The agenda
> >was with two Air Force reserve officers who had it in  for Bush.
>
> Very similar, but not nearly as effective as the Swift Boat lies.
>
> Funny how many people accept the lies that hurt the opponents, but
> reject the lies that hurt their candidate.
>
> --
> "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
> than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
> to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>
> - James Madison

Did you serve in the military Howard? Why would Kerry's CO (part of
the Swifties) lie about him? It would be extremely dishonorable. What
about Kerry meeting with the North Vietnamese while he was still a
Naval Officer? What about Kerry being part of VVAW? They were planning
assassinations. You think Kerry was in on that? It would be criminal
conspiracy if he was.

Ken
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