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Kenn Smith
May 20, 2013, 10:48:54 AM5/20/13
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Friday I was having our monthly lunch with the city manager when she got
a panic call from the people who monitor the output of our waste water
treatment plants. The plant which feeds the efluent pond from which we
water the course was exceeding the allowed ration of nitrogen in the
treated water by almost double.
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality allows a nitrogen raton of
between 5 and 7 ppm, the output was measured at 12 ppm. An output that
high would probably kill every blade of grass it touched. Had that
water been used we would probably b playing on a desert this summer and
it would cause the city to spend many thousands of dollars to repair the
damages.
To her credit the first thing that the city manager did was to call the
course supeintendent and tell him to shut down the pumps on the pond and
don't turn them on again until the pond was tested for nitrogen content.
The apparent cause was laziness and indifference by the plant operator
but that has yet to be the final determination. If that does turn out
to be the cause the worst we can do to the plant operator is put a
letter of reprimand in his folder; he has no previous record of
disciplinary action. Our city policy is to give employees a second
chance except in the most egregious of circumstances - use of excessive
force by a police officer doesn't fall into the "second chance" category
for example.
Anyway, thanks to the alertness of the monitoring agency and the
decisive action of our city manager we won't be playing on dirt this
summer.
a panic call from the people who monitor the output of our waste water
treatment plants. The plant which feeds the efluent pond from which we
water the course was exceeding the allowed ration of nitrogen in the
treated water by almost double.
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality allows a nitrogen raton of
between 5 and 7 ppm, the output was measured at 12 ppm. An output that
high would probably kill every blade of grass it touched. Had that
water been used we would probably b playing on a desert this summer and
it would cause the city to spend many thousands of dollars to repair the
damages.
To her credit the first thing that the city manager did was to call the
course supeintendent and tell him to shut down the pumps on the pond and
don't turn them on again until the pond was tested for nitrogen content.
The apparent cause was laziness and indifference by the plant operator
but that has yet to be the final determination. If that does turn out
to be the cause the worst we can do to the plant operator is put a
letter of reprimand in his folder; he has no previous record of
disciplinary action. Our city policy is to give employees a second
chance except in the most egregious of circumstances - use of excessive
force by a police officer doesn't fall into the "second chance" category
for example.
Anyway, thanks to the alertness of the monitoring agency and the
decisive action of our city manager we won't be playing on dirt this
summer.
BAR
May 20, 2013, 11:05:24 AM5/20/13
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In article <25716-519...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>, grizzl...@webtv.net says...
Why are you passing judgement on the plant operator before all of the facts are uncovered.
bkn...@conramp.net
May 20, 2013, 11:51:28 AM5/20/13
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scandal. I'd call you a hypocrite but you're just flat out stupid.
Kenn Smith
May 20, 2013, 11:58:43 AM5/20/13
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OK, Bert, explain exactly how I am "Passing judgement" on the plant
operator when I clearly stated that the "apparent" cause of the incident
and that the facts have yet to be detirmened.
I clearly reserved judgement until all of the facts are known.
operator when I clearly stated that the "apparent" cause of the incident
and that the facts have yet to be detirmened.
I clearly reserved judgement until all of the facts are known.
BAR
May 20, 2013, 12:16:27 PM5/20/13
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In article <lhhkp8lnfc1t099mn...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...
Interesting, why are you jumping all over Kenn?
BAR
May 20, 2013, 12:16:37 PM5/20/13
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bkn...@conramp.net
May 20, 2013, 12:20:55 PM5/20/13
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since you are the most lame-brained person on RSG it's just another
one of your idiocies.
P.S. Congratulations on a post with no misspelled words and poor
syntax.
bkn...@conramp.net
May 20, 2013, 12:22:30 PM5/20/13
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facts. Will he ever learn?????
Kenn Smith
May 20, 2013, 12:45:38 PM5/20/13
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I don't really know why I do this.
OK, Bert, if I choose to reserve judgement until all the facts are in
that makes me a "weasel" in your mind yet you jumped me for just the
opposite when it wasn't true. So just what is your problem, no one word
answers, please.
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a truly one
diminsional "thinker" and that one isn't very deep.
OK, Bert, if I choose to reserve judgement until all the facts are in
that makes me a "weasel" in your mind yet you jumped me for just the
opposite when it wasn't true. So just what is your problem, no one word
answers, please.
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a truly one
diminsional "thinker" and that one isn't very deep.
BAR
May 20, 2013, 12:55:58 PM5/20/13
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In article <10270-519...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>, grizzl...@webtv.net says...
I called you a weasel for falling back on the weasel word apparent.
bkn...@conramp.net
May 20, 2013, 1:12:29 PM5/20/13
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Kenn Smith
May 20, 2013, 3:12:57 PM5/20/13
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Well, Bobby, let's just put it this way. If I was still active in the
management world and had a multidimensional problem to be analyzed by
staff Bert would not be my choice for lead analysist.
management world and had a multidimensional problem to be analyzed by
staff Bert would not be my choice for lead analysist.
BAR
May 20, 2013, 3:22:16 PM5/20/13
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In article <20871-519...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>, grizzl...@webtv.net says...
>
> Well, Bobby, let's just put it this way. If I was still active in the
> management world and had a multidimensional problem to be analyzed by
> staff Bert would not be my choice for lead analysist.
That is too bad.
> Well, Bobby, let's just put it this way. If I was still active in the
> management world and had a multidimensional problem to be analyzed by
> staff Bert would not be my choice for lead analysist.
Kenn Smith
May 20, 2013, 4:03:53 PM5/20/13
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I do thank Bert for making another point of mine really, really clear
about the sorry state of RSG.
I posted a golf related topic, maybe of general interest, maybe not. I
just decided that if others can flood the forum with political crap I am
free to post as many golf related subjects as I desire to do.
Was Bert's immediate response in any way related to the possible
disaster to the GC? No. It was an attack on me for passing judgement
on a city employee when all the facts weren't in. which was an absolute
distortion of what I posted.
Then I became a weasel for using a qualifier which was appropriate. He
still hasn't posted one word about golf.
Yet he is the one who yesterday upbraided me about not posting golf
matter. Does anyone else see anything weird about that!
about the sorry state of RSG.
I posted a golf related topic, maybe of general interest, maybe not. I
just decided that if others can flood the forum with political crap I am
free to post as many golf related subjects as I desire to do.
Was Bert's immediate response in any way related to the possible
disaster to the GC? No. It was an attack on me for passing judgement
on a city employee when all the facts weren't in. which was an absolute
distortion of what I posted.
Then I became a weasel for using a qualifier which was appropriate. He
still hasn't posted one word about golf.
Yet he is the one who yesterday upbraided me about not posting golf
matter. Does anyone else see anything weird about that!
BAR
May 20, 2013, 4:16:38 PM5/20/13
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bkn...@conramp.net
May 20, 2013, 4:47:01 PM5/20/13
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Kenn Smith
May 20, 2013, 5:54:48 PM5/20/13
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On my staff?? Not likely. I put together teams which played well with
others and turned out a lot of creative ideas and proposed solutions.
Based on his online persona I doubt that he would be a significant
player on my teams.
others and turned out a lot of creative ideas and proposed solutions.
Based on his online persona I doubt that he would be a significant
player on my teams.
Alan Baker
May 21, 2013, 1:00:33 AM5/21/13
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In article <MPG.2c041fa53...@news.giganews.com>,
You really are...
...quite the dick.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
...quite the dick.
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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BobM
May 22, 2013, 6:33:10 PM5/22/13
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Agreed. "Apparent" weasel in Kenn's part.
.
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bkn...@conramp.net
May 22, 2013, 6:40:40 PM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:19:31 -0700 (PDT), BobM
<defangeda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Agreed. Weasel in Kenn's part.
Wrong. No reason to attack Kenn.
<defangeda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Agreed. Weasel in Kenn's part.
Wrong. No reason to attack Kenn.
BAR
May 22, 2013, 7:43:37 PM5/22/13
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In article <18iqp8dcvmbatr5dg...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...
Kenn is a big boy and he doesn't need you to front him.
bkn...@conramp.net
May 22, 2013, 7:55:37 PM5/22/13
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anyone else what to do.
BAR
May 22, 2013, 10:05:10 PM5/22/13
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In article <4lmqp851rac4ihitl...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...
I am just following your lead.
bkn...@conramp.net
May 22, 2013, 10:31:47 PM5/22/13
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MNMikeW
May 23, 2013, 11:16:25 AM5/23/13
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bkn...@conramp.net
May 23, 2013, 11:40:58 AM5/23/13
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MNMikeW
May 23, 2013, 12:25:04 PM5/23/13
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bkn...@conramp.net
May 23, 2013, 12:50:14 PM5/23/13
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Kenn Smith
May 23, 2013, 8:13:17 PM5/23/13
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End of story. The effluent pond was tested late Friday afternoon and
found to be out of limits for nitrogen content although not as far as it
was thought it might be. The inlet pump was shut down and the aerator
run all weekend and by Monday afternoon the pond was back in limits.
Output from the plant is back within limits. Operator is being
disciplined but not fired. We'e back on a full watering schedule which
is needed considering that our daytime temps are reaching into the low
90's now and a dry wind blows daily.
found to be out of limits for nitrogen content although not as far as it
was thought it might be. The inlet pump was shut down and the aerator
run all weekend and by Monday afternoon the pond was back in limits.
Output from the plant is back within limits. Operator is being
disciplined but not fired. We'e back on a full watering schedule which
is needed considering that our daytime temps are reaching into the low
90's now and a dry wind blows daily.
jay birdsong
May 24, 2013, 8:11:11 AM5/24/13
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-B4D79...@news.shawcable.net...
In article <MPG.2c041fa53...@news.giganews.com>,
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <10270-519...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>,
> grizzl...@webtv.net says...
> >
> > I don't really know why I do this.
> >
> > OK, Bert, if I choose to reserve judgement until all the facts are
> > in
> > that makes me a "weasel" in your mind yet you jumped me for just
> > the
> > opposite when it wasn't true. So just what is your problem, no
> > one word
> > answers, please.
> >
> > I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are a truly one
> > diminsional "thinker" and that one isn't very deep.
>
> I called you a weasel for falling back on the weasel word apparent.
>You really are...
>...quite the dick.
....quite the worthless piece of shit.
snip creepy dumb cunt sig.
BAR
May 24, 2013, 5:14:37 PM5/24/13
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In article <25741-519...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>, grizzl...@webtv.net says...
What happened to the "Plant Operations" guy?
Kenn Smith
May 24, 2013, 7:03:14 PM5/24/13
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Bert asked, "What happened to the plant operations guy?" That's really
none of your business and, shallow as you may be, I would think you
would recognize that. But, I predicted to myself that you would come
back with a response similar to yours. Bingo!!
As a mattter of policy we never publicly discuss internal disciplinary
action. No well managed business would ever do that.
There are five people who know the extent of the action, the operator
being one of them. That's all that will ever know unless the operator
chooses to make it public.
none of your business and, shallow as you may be, I would think you
would recognize that. But, I predicted to myself that you would come
back with a response similar to yours. Bingo!!
As a mattter of policy we never publicly discuss internal disciplinary
action. No well managed business would ever do that.
There are five people who know the extent of the action, the operator
being one of them. That's all that will ever know unless the operator
chooses to make it public.
BAR
May 24, 2013, 8:46:53 PM5/24/13
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In article <2923-519...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net>, grizzl...@webtv.net says...
been resolved. Did you apologize to the plant operations guy who you said "apparently"
screwed things up?
> As a mattter of policy we never publicly discuss internal disciplinary
> action. No well managed business would ever do that.
You should have thought about that before you identified the apparent perpatrator of the
screwup in a public forum. I would hope you would report your ethics violation to the proper
authorities.
> There are five people who know the extent of the action, the operator
> being one of them. That's all that will ever know unless the operator
> chooses to make it public.
It is nice to know that you are willing to lay blame on someone before a full investigation
has been performed. Nice job stepping on the workers on your way to the next city council
meeting and you "deserved" check?
>
> Bert asked, "What happened to the plant operations guy?" That's really
> none of your business and, shallow as you may be, I would think you
> would recognize that. But, I predicted to myself that you would come
> back with a response similar to yours. Bingo!!
You were the guy who broght us into this situation. You reported that the nitrogen levels had
> Bert asked, "What happened to the plant operations guy?" That's really
> none of your business and, shallow as you may be, I would think you
> would recognize that. But, I predicted to myself that you would come
> back with a response similar to yours. Bingo!!
been resolved. Did you apologize to the plant operations guy who you said "apparently"
screwed things up?
> As a mattter of policy we never publicly discuss internal disciplinary
> action. No well managed business would ever do that.
screwup in a public forum. I would hope you would report your ethics violation to the proper
authorities.
> There are five people who know the extent of the action, the operator
> being one of them. That's all that will ever know unless the operator
> chooses to make it public.
has been performed. Nice job stepping on the workers on your way to the next city council
meeting and you "deserved" check?
Kenn Smith
May 24, 2013, 9:33:48 PM5/24/13
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I don't know why I bother.
Bert, your reading deficiency shows and your lack of understanding shows
even more.
Did I apologize to the plant operator? Of course not, he admitted that
he screwed up and, yes, a thorough investigation was done. The
disciplinary action was appropriate fot the offense. And the fact tha
the plant output was brought back into tolerences really isn't relevant.
It had to be done.
I "identified" the operator in a public forum?? How?? We have five
licensed plant operators. There's no way from any of my posts that you
can get close to the one in question - you can't even define the gender.
You know what I get for my city council paycheck? It's $25. I don't
get paid for my multiple committee assignments or my liason function
with our EDC. I figure that my actual pay comes out to around $1 an
hour when all the hours are counted. Whch is perfectly OK, I knew that
going in.
Bert, your reading deficiency shows and your lack of understanding shows
even more.
Did I apologize to the plant operator? Of course not, he admitted that
he screwed up and, yes, a thorough investigation was done. The
disciplinary action was appropriate fot the offense. And the fact tha
the plant output was brought back into tolerences really isn't relevant.
It had to be done.
I "identified" the operator in a public forum?? How?? We have five
licensed plant operators. There's no way from any of my posts that you
can get close to the one in question - you can't even define the gender.
You know what I get for my city council paycheck? It's $25. I don't
get paid for my multiple committee assignments or my liason function
with our EDC. I figure that my actual pay comes out to around $1 an
hour when all the hours are counted. Whch is perfectly OK, I knew that
going in.
BAR
May 25, 2013, 7:23:58 AM5/25/13
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In article <12798-51A...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net>, grizzl...@webtv.net says...
discuss personnel and private issues? No we know that the plant operator admitted fault, was
disciplined. What is a paper disciplining or did you send him home for a few days without
pay?
> I "identified" the operator in a public forum?? How?? We have five
> licensed plant operators. There's no way from any of my posts that you
> can get close to the one in question - you can't even define the gender.
You identified the plant operator in charge.
> You know what I get for my city council paycheck? It's $25. I don't
> get paid for my multiple committee assignments or my liason function
> with our EDC. I figure that my actual pay comes out to around $1 an
> hour when all the hours are counted. Whch is perfectly OK, I knew that
> going in.
Fiduciary is fiduciary.
>
> I don't know why I bother.
>
> Bert, your reading deficiency shows and your lack of understanding shows
> even more.
>
> Did I apologize to the plant operator? Of course not, he admitted that
> he screwed up and, yes, a thorough investigation was done. The
> disciplinary action was appropriate fot the offense. And the fact tha
> the plant output was brought back into tolerences really isn't relevant.
> It had to be done.
You are airing dirty laundry in a public forum again. I thought you said that you wouldn't
> I don't know why I bother.
>
> Bert, your reading deficiency shows and your lack of understanding shows
> even more.
>
> Did I apologize to the plant operator? Of course not, he admitted that
> he screwed up and, yes, a thorough investigation was done. The
> disciplinary action was appropriate fot the offense. And the fact tha
> the plant output was brought back into tolerences really isn't relevant.
> It had to be done.
discuss personnel and private issues? No we know that the plant operator admitted fault, was
disciplined. What is a paper disciplining or did you send him home for a few days without
pay?
> I "identified" the operator in a public forum?? How?? We have five
> licensed plant operators. There's no way from any of my posts that you
> can get close to the one in question - you can't even define the gender.
> You know what I get for my city council paycheck? It's $25. I don't
> get paid for my multiple committee assignments or my liason function
> with our EDC. I figure that my actual pay comes out to around $1 an
> hour when all the hours are counted. Whch is perfectly OK, I knew that
> going in.
Kenn Smith
May 25, 2013, 12:39:52 PM5/25/13
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As I posted earlier, "End of story".
I sort of enjoy playing your troll game for a few posts and allowing you
to further display your shallowness, superficiality and highly refined
ability to twist and distort almost anything posted. After a few posts
it does lose its entertainment value, however.
Nada mas on this one.
I sort of enjoy playing your troll game for a few posts and allowing you
to further display your shallowness, superficiality and highly refined
ability to twist and distort almost anything posted. After a few posts
it does lose its entertainment value, however.
Nada mas on this one.
BAR
May 26, 2013, 9:50:13 AM5/26/13
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bkn...@conramp.net
May 26, 2013, 5:14:49 PM5/26/13
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You are so out of touch with reality that it's really amusing.
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