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Alan Baker

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Jul 3, 2009, 1:51:48 AM7/3/09
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Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
putt...


...and I still shot 75!

:-D

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

assim...@borg.org

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Jul 3, 2009, 5:10:04 AM7/3/09
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On 3-Jul-2009, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:

> Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> putt...
>
>
> ...and I still shot 75!

Hell yeah! Nice shootin Alan!

--
bill-o

Annika1980

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Jul 3, 2009, 12:47:57 PM7/3/09
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On Jul 3, 1:51 am, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> putt...
>
> ...and I still shot 75!
>

Did you play the front-9 or the back?


Frank Ketchum

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Jul 3, 2009, 1:22:28 PM7/3/09
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"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> putt...
>
>
> ...and I still shot 75!
>

I can do worse than that, Monday I had 4 birdies (started out with three
birds on the first three holes) and still shot a 77.

Driver woes.


john

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Jul 3, 2009, 1:13:05 PM7/3/09
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Frank Ketchum wrote:

They only have so many good shots in them you know. Buy a new one.

Frank Ketchum

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Jul 3, 2009, 1:41:15 PM7/3/09
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"john" <jo...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> I can do worse than that, Monday I had 4 birdies (started out with
>> three birds on the first three holes) and still shot a 77.
>>
>> Driver woes.
>
> They only have so many good shots in them you know. Buy a new one.

I like the way you think...


Alan Baker

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Alan Baker

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Jul 3, 2009, 2:36:25 PM7/3/09
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In article <Her3m.9358$Kn1....@newsfe09.iad>,
"Frank Ketchum" <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:

While we were in Edmonton for my father's funeral, my brother and I were
hosted for a round at his club (because we never did get a chance to
play a round there with him) and we played with the head pro and his
brother. Rob (the pro) set us up with beautiful rental clubs which were
coincidentally Pings which my brother plays (although not the same
model) and Titleist AP2s *identical* to mine. But the Titleist driver
just wasn't working that well for me.

On the 9th hole, I grabbed Cuz's (my brother is called "the Cuz") Ping
G10 by accident and after the pro had put one out there about 270, I
stepped up and hit it 20 yards by him. "Sure", he said, "drive it past
the pro".

Makes me wish I'd checked out the exact model of G10, let me tell you.

:-)

Alan Baker

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Jul 3, 2009, 2:37:23 PM7/3/09
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In article <4a4dcaeb$0$8658$882e...@news.ThunderNews.com>,
assim...@borg.org wrote:

Thank you, sir!

The great part is that it just leaves me feeling that there are another
half a dozen strokes that I could shave off that round...

...and wouldn't *that* be something. :-D

Alan Baker

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Jul 3, 2009, 2:42:31 PM7/3/09
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In article <4Zq3m.1933$%02....@newsfe15.iad>,
"Frank Ketchum" <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:

Ah...

A big part of my score was good driving. A didn't actually hit that many
fairways -- only 2 were actually on the short grass, but my misses were
almost always only by a little and in the correct place. That let me hit
half the greens.

Frank Ketchum

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Jul 3, 2009, 3:06:40 PM7/3/09
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"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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>
> A big part of my score was good driving. A didn't actually hit that many
> fairways -- only 2 were actually on the short grass, but my misses were
> almost always only by a little and in the correct place. That let me hit
> half the greens.

I forgot to mention the strangest part: Font nine, 3 birdies, then 4
bogeys, then a birdie, then a bogey. That's right, I carded a 37 without a
single par.


Alan Baker

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Jul 3, 2009, 3:46:49 PM7/3/09
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In article <7Fs3m.3259$3o6....@newsfe24.iad>,
"Frank Ketchum" <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:

LOL

It's a funny old game, ain't it? :-)

Frank Ketchum

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Jul 3, 2009, 9:43:36 PM7/3/09
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"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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=> LOL

>
> It's a funny old game, ain't it? :-)
>

Considering the kind of shape my game was in a month ago, it feels great to
be back to puring irons and knocking down pins with my wedges.

Now, to fix that f#*king driver. Just got home from playing tonight, carded
an 83 with 5 lost balls and 2 birdies. That's right, 5.


Alan Baker

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Jul 3, 2009, 10:16:20 PM7/3/09
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In article <1yy3m.2798$dd4....@newsfe10.iad>,
"Frank Ketchum" <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:

Ouch. I mean...

...OUCH!

assim...@borg.org

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Jul 4, 2009, 3:25:19 AM7/4/09
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On 3-Jul-2009, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:

> The great part is that it just leaves me feeling that there are another
> half a dozen strokes that I could shave off that round...
>
> ...and wouldn't *that* be something. :-D

Yessir! Had a WE like that about 2 weeks ago: 77 w/4 birds on Sat & 75 w/1
bird on Sun. Sat I felt I got all I could out of the round; Sun I should
have made 2-4 more putts.

--
bill-o

Annika1980

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Jul 4, 2009, 11:43:33 AM7/4/09
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On Jul 3, 2:37 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <4a4dcaeb$0$8658$882e0...@news.ThunderNews.com>,
>
>  assimil...@borg.org wrote:

> > On  3-Jul-2009, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> > > putt...
>
> > > ...and I still shot 75!
>
> > Hell yeah! Nice shootin Alan!
>
> Thank you, sir!
>
> The great part is that it just leaves me feeling that there are another
> half a dozen strokes that I could shave off that round...
>
> ...and wouldn't *that* be something. :-D
>

It is a strange thing about golf that when you shoot a good round you
always can think of a few shots that you could have saved to make it
even better. But when you shoot a bad round you shrug it off to just
poor play that day.

Last week I shot a 34 that could have easily been a 31. But when I
shoot 41 the score is usually indicative of the play.

Maybe it's because when we have a really bad day a few shots saved
would only make it an average day, but a few shots saved on a good
round can make it a career round.

Carbon

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Jul 4, 2009, 12:29:07 PM7/4/09
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:43:33 -0700, Annika1980 wrote:

> Maybe it's because when we have a really bad day a few shots saved
> would only make it an average day, but a few shots saved on a good
> round can make it a career round.

Or even one shot. I shot a 77 once with a triple on one of the easier
holes. Bladed chip into the cabbage. Other than my usual miserable
putting, it was my only serious screwup. That's still my best score on
that crappy little goat track. Fucking game.

john

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Jul 4, 2009, 1:04:51 PM7/4/09
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Carbon wrote:

You will score best if you play a really boring game. Don't try for a
record breaking drive, just swing smoothly and get one out there in
play. Don't aim at pins, just get it on the green somewhere. Don't
try to knock the putt in, just get it up there close.

On the other hand, that is not a fun way to play. It will produce the
best score you are capable of though. It's one of the contradictions
of the game. In order to have fun after the game, you have to avoid it
during the game. :-)

Carbon

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Jul 4, 2009, 2:40:59 PM7/4/09
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:51:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> putt...
>
> ...and I still shot 75!

Alan, if I ever get back up that way you're going to have to spot me a
couple...

Alan Baker

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Jul 4, 2009, 3:24:02 PM7/4/09
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In article
<166982cd-f6cb-459c...@x5g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Annika1980 <annik...@aol.com> wrote:

I think it's also because on a bad day, you're trying to forget your
shots and so you don't remember them well enough to imagine how you
could have extricated yourself better from the situations into which
they put you.

By contrast, on a good day, you can replay each shot in your head in
loving detail and so easily see where you could have played better the
few that weren't quite so good.

Alan Baker

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Jul 4, 2009, 3:37:29 PM7/4/09
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In article <TYL3m.34808$PH1.2014@edtnps82>, john <jo...@somewhere.net>
wrote:

> Carbon wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:43:33 -0700, Annika1980 wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe it's because when we have a really bad day a few shots saved
> >> would only make it an average day, but a few shots saved on a good
> >> round can make it a career round.
> >
> > Or even one shot. I shot a 77 once with a triple on one of the easier
> > holes. Bladed chip into the cabbage. Other than my usual miserable
> > putting, it was my only serious screwup. That's still my best score on
> > that crappy little goat track. Fucking game.
>
> You will score best if you play a really boring game. Don't try for a
> record breaking drive, just swing smoothly and get one out there in
> play. Don't aim at pins, just get it on the green somewhere. Don't
> try to knock the putt in, just get it up there close.

Almost agree.

"Don't try for record breaking drives": agree completely.

"Don't aim for pins, just try to get it on the green somewhere": I can't
completely agree with that. I think you can try to pick targets and
clubs that give you the best opportunity to get it close without taking
undue risk.

Example: number 15 at McCleery is a short gentle dogleg left par 4 from
the whites -- about 350, and I could certainly have taken 3-wood off the
tee, but I was in such a "don't think" groove with the driver that I
didn't want to use anything else if there wasn't bad trouble. So I drove
it through the dogleg and into the trees, but into a fairly open space
about 115 yards from the green (a three wood missed right of the fairway
would have put me in jail among the large pines). With about 115 yards,
downwind, with the ball enough above my feet that I was going to choke
down on whichever club I chose, my first thought was to play gap wedge.
Downwind, it was clearly going to be enough to get me on the green, and
perhaps even pin high to the middle flag, but: there was a bunker with
steep face between me and the middle of the green, so if I wanted to
play there, a slight mishit could have left me a little short and in the
sand. OTOH, my pitching wedge was sure to be too far if played full, but
even if I went over the green by a little, it was going to be a fairly
easy chip with enough room to get the ball on the ground and rolling. So
I chose pitching wedge and tried to make a smooth 3/4-7/8 kind of
swing...

...and put it just long. Then I chipped on to 12". Par.

So I deliberately *didn't* play the club that was for the centre of the
green. I played the club where shortest possible was centre, regular
distance was pin high, and longest was just off the back. It certainly
helped that Thursday I was really feeling dialed in with my distances
from about 150 in, but the decision making process was what made my
round all day long.


>
> On the other hand, that is not a fun way to play. It will produce the
> best score you are capable of though. It's one of the contradictions
> of the game. In order to have fun after the game, you have to avoid it
> during the game. :-)

And I can't agree with this at all. I find it to be immensely enjoyable
to correctly choose a shot and then execute it as I envisioned it. :-)

Alan Baker

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Jul 4, 2009, 3:38:37 PM7/4/09
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In article <4a4fa23b$0$5058$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

If that's the way it goes... ...I can deal.

dene

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"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> In article <4a4fa23b$0$5058$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:51:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
> >
> > > Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> > > putt...
> > >
> > > ...and I still shot 75!
> >
> > Alan, if I ever get back up that way you're going to have to spot me a
> > couple...
>
> If that's the way it goes... ...I can deal.
>
> :-D

Ever wonder how a couple of lefties would describe the pitfalls that occur
with a round of golf.

It's the green's fault
It's the wind's fault
It's the water
It's the ball
It's the arrow
But it's never the indian.

-Greg


Carbon

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On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:29:08 -0700, dene wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-2C773...@news.shawcable.com...
>> In article <4a4fa23b$0$5058$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:51:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't
>> > > buy a putt...
>> > >
>> > > ...and I still shot 75!
>> >
>> > Alan, if I ever get back up that way you're going to have to spot
>> > me a couple...
>>
>> If that's the way it goes... ...I can deal.
>
> Ever wonder how a couple of lefties would describe the pitfalls that
> occur with a round of golf.
>
> It's the green's fault It's the wind's fault It's the water It's the
> ball It's the arrow But it's never the indian.

My bad golf is my fault and no one else's. Wherever did you get the idea
that liberals don't believe in personal responsibility? You don't watch
Fox News, do you?

Alan Baker

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In article <7baa4uF...@mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:

You know what, Greg: you're pretty much a full-time dick.

This was a perfectly nice discussion, and here you are: trying to turn
it into an occasion to take a few more cheap shots.

assim...@borg.org

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Jul 5, 2009, 4:27:14 AM7/5/09
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On 4-Jul-2009, Alan Baker <alang...@telus.net> wrote:

> I think it's also because on a bad day, you're trying to forget your
> shots and so you don't remember them well enough to imagine how you
> could have extricated yourself better from the situations into which
> they put you.
>
> By contrast, on a good day, you can replay each shot in your head in
> loving detail and so easily see where you could have played better the
> few that weren't quite so good.

Good point; quite right in my experience.

--
bill-o

dene

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Jul 5, 2009, 5:15:11 AM7/5/09
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"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Awww....pooor.....Awen get his feelings hurt.

It's humor, numbnuts. Too bad you're too uptight to get it.

-Greg


John van der Pflum

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Jul 5, 2009, 7:29:04 AM7/5/09
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:29:08 -0700, "dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com>
wrote:

Maybe for you but I never blame anyone but me. Every once in a while
I'll curse the bad luck that a well struck punch shot hits the very
last branch, or perhaps a stupidly designed hole. But the shot is
there and it's up to me to hit it.
--
jvdp
Annika Fears Little Red Trucks
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/81628198

http://www.rsgcincinnati.com

Annika1980

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Jul 5, 2009, 12:14:25 PM7/5/09
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On Jul 4, 1:04 pm, john <j...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>
> You will score best if you play a really boring game.  Don't try for a
> record breaking drive, just swing smoothly and get one out there in
> play.  

Good advice.


>Don't aim at pins, just get it on the green somewhere.  

Spotty advice. Depends on the club you are hitting, and of course
your ability.


>Don't try to knock the putt in, just get it up there close.

Terrible advice! The goal is to make it.
Do you think an archer or a target shooter is just trying to get it
close?
Is a baseball pitcher just trying to get it up there somewhere?
A placekicker in football has a specific target.
In fact, I can't think of any sport where that advice would hold up,
excepting maybe Shaq at the free throw line.


Annika1980

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On Jul 4, 8:29 pm, "dene" <d...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alangba...@telus.net> wrote in message
>
> news:alangbaker-2C773...@news.shawcable.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <4a4fa23b$0$5058$9a6e1...@unlimited.newshosting.com>,

> >  Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:51:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:
>
> > > > Hit half the greens and some of them close, and I just couldn't buy a
> > > > putt...
>
> > > > ...and I still shot 75!
>
> > > Alan, if I ever get back up that way you're going to have to spot me a
> > > couple...
>
> > If that's the way it goes... ...I can deal.
>
> > :-D
>
> Ever wonder how a couple of lefties would describe the pitfalls that occur
> with a round of golf.
>
> It's the green's fault
> It's the wind's fault
> It's the water
> It's the ball
> It's the arrow
> But it's never the indian.
>
> -Greg

And a rightard would just write down par or birdie no matter what they
really made.
If questioned about it, they'd say their mistake was due to bad
intelligence and then they'd claim you were un-American to even bring
it up

Annika1980

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Jul 5, 2009, 12:20:07 PM7/5/09
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On Jul 4, 9:27 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> You know what, Greg: you're pretty much a full-time dick.
>
> This was a perfectly nice discussion, and here you are: trying to turn
> it into an occasion to take a few more cheap shots.

He's just your typical rightard with his asshole still burning after
the reaming they got in November.

john

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Jul 5, 2009, 1:01:12 PM7/5/09
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Annika1980 wrote:

> On Jul 4, 1:04 pm, john <j...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>
>> You will score best if you play a really boring game.  Don't try for
>> a record breaking drive, just swing smoothly and get one out there in
>> play.
>
> Good advice.
>
>
>>Don't aim at pins, just get it on the green somewhere.
>
> Spotty advice. Depends on the club you are hitting, and of course
> your ability.

I expressed that poorly. I meant "aim at the fat of the green", rather
than at a pin on the edge of the green. In the latter case depending
on the situation might result in another three strokes to get the ball
in the hole, versus 2 for a ball on the green.

>
>
>>Don't try to knock the putt in, just get it up there close.
>
> Terrible advice! The goal is to make it.
> Do you think an archer or a target shooter is just trying to get it
> close?
> Is a baseball pitcher just trying to get it up there somewhere?
> A placekicker in football has a specific target.
> In fact, I can't think of any sport where that advice would hold up,
> excepting maybe Shaq at the free throw line.

Yes, poorly worded again. I meant "aim at the hole" as in "try to stop
your ball as close to the hole as possible", as opposed to running it 5
feet by in an effort to "sink it". If you try to stop the ball as
close to the hole as possible, some might drop in just by dumb luck. A
five foot putt that has any break in it will cause problems for most
players. There is a short putt zone where you make sure you get the
ball to the hole though. For me that's about 4-5 feet. :-)

My overall message was aimed at trying to "keep things simple", which
reduces pressure and recognizes and provides for realistic error
margins. Most of us have no business aiming at pins adjacent to water
hazards, and most of us have an easier time with a 30 foot putt than a
20 foot chip/pitch out of thick rough to a green that slopes away. In
other words, consider the risk/reward ratio on every shot and make
shots that you are confident you can execute. Success breeds more
success and creates a nice positive feedback loop.


Alan Baker

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Jul 5, 2009, 1:01:22 PM7/5/09
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In article <7bb8v9F...@mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:

Nope. Not in the slightest.

>
> It's humor, numbnuts. Too bad you're too uptight to get it.

Oh, I got it. I just wasn't funny.

dene

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-------------------------------------------------------

Touchy, Touchy, Touchy.

-Greg


dene

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"John van der Pflum" <nowhammy...@bite.org> wrote in message
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Sometimes it's the green's fault. I've been playing one course on Weds.
instead of traveling to others on Thursday. This course started rolling
their greens and consequently, my putting has been best ever. Nice to read
it, roll it, and be rewarded.

-Greg


Alan Baker

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Jul 5, 2009, 4:35:14 PM7/5/09
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In article <7bc9o7F...@mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:

What was "touchy" about his reply? It seems to be a pretty much
completely accurate description of the situation to me.

Alan Baker

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Jul 5, 2009, 4:35:36 PM7/5/09
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In article <7bc9s9F...@mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:

Ah! So by your own lights, you're a leftie!

assim...@borg.org

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Jul 5, 2009, 5:13:33 PM7/5/09
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On 5-Jul-2009, "dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:

> Sometimes it's the green's fault. I've been playing one course on Weds.
> instead of traveling to others on Thursday. This course started rolling
> their greens and consequently, my putting has been best ever. Nice to
> read
> it, roll it, and be rewarded.

No that sounds like your inability to cope with the former greens condition.

--
bill-o

assim...@borg.org

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Jul 5, 2009, 5:15:58 PM7/5/09
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On 5-Jul-2009, Annika1980 <annik...@aol.com> wrote:

> >Don't try to knock the putt in, just get it up there close.
>
> Terrible advice! The goal is to make it.
> Do you think an archer or a target shooter is just trying to get it
> close?
> Is a baseball pitcher just trying to get it up there somewhere?
> A placekicker in football has a specific target.
> In fact, I can't think of any sport where that advice would hold up,
> excepting maybe Shaq at the free throw line.

Agree here, if you aren't trying to make it just go home. It is the object
of the game. That doesn't mean ram everything so firm there's no more break
hard, you do have to be intelligent about it.

--
bill-o

dene

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Jul 6, 2009, 1:30:09 AM7/6/09
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"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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> In article <7bc9o7F...@mid.individual.net>,
> "dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:
>
> > "Annika1980" <annik...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >
news:c8e3df32-a5bf-4f1e...@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 4, 9:27 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > You know what, Greg: you're pretty much a full-time dick.
> > >
> > > This was a perfectly nice discussion, and here you are: trying to turn
> > > it into an occasion to take a few more cheap shots.
> >
> > He's just your typical rightard with his asshole still burning after
> > the reaming they got in November.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Touchy, Touchy, Touchy.
> >
> > -Greg
>
> What was "touchy" about his reply? It seems to be a pretty much
> completely accurate description of the situation to me.

Of course....leftie.

-Greg


dene

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You're right. I am a victim.

-Greg


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In article <7bdg5cF...@mid.individual.net>,
"dene" <de...@remove.ipns.com> wrote:

Sorry, but you're the one who made excuses for his bad play, Greg, not I.

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