>> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:37 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>> >> > Carbon wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>> >> >>> Carbon wrote:
>> >> >>>> Barack Hussein Obama II is the best thing that ever happened to the
>> >> >>>> US gun industry.
>> >> >>> Yes, even better than Clinton was.
>> >> >> Which is ironic, because he's less likely than Clinton to do anything
>> >> >> about gun control. But I guess for the conspiracy theorists the fact
>> >> >> that he was born in Kenya to anti-colonialist Muslim extremists bent
>> >> >> on filling him with Black Rage kind of pushes things over the top.
>> >> > He has stated several times he would like to see the AWB reinstated.
>> >> > I'm sure we will see that come in sometime in the next couple years.
>> >> A friend of mine was so convinced after the 2008 election that Obama was
>> >> going to outlaw guns that he bought several ARs, an AK and I think some
>> >> Russian surplus battle rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Did
>> >> anything happen? No. But I have no doubt he's doing the same thing this
>> >> time as well.
>> >Always prepared.
>> >The say a gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone.
>> Those "they say" guys say a lot of stupid things. And so do many
>> other people.
>When someone is breaking into your house how long is it going to take >the police to get to your housed, provided that someone calls them and >tells them that there is a crime in progress and they respond?
Roughly the same amount of time it would take you to get out of bed,
go to where your gun is safely stored, unlock the case, grab
ammunition, load, and get to where the guy just came through your
window without him taking the first shot.
Or do you always watch TV with a holster on your hip?
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
Don Kirkman wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:53:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> In article <7m39a8lg4a33eo5okbuvncvhnf897dc...@4ax.com>, donsno2
>> @charter.net says...
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:52:16 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <pan.2012.11.15.00.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>>> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:37 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>> Carbon wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>>> Carbon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Barack Hussein Obama II is the best thing that ever happened to the
>>>>>>>>> US gun industry.
>>>>>>>> Yes, even better than Clinton was.
>>>>>>> Which is ironic, because he's less likely than Clinton to do anything
>>>>>>> about gun control. But I guess for the conspiracy theorists the fact
>>>>>>> that he was born in Kenya to anti-colonialist Muslim extremists bent
>>>>>>> on filling him with Black Rage kind of pushes things over the top.
>>>>>> He has stated several times he would like to see the AWB reinstated.
>>>>>> I'm sure we will see that come in sometime in the next couple years.
>>>>> A friend of mine was so convinced after the 2008 election that Obama was
>>>>> going to outlaw guns that he bought several ARs, an AK and I think some
>>>>> Russian surplus battle rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Did
>>>>> anything happen? No. But I have no doubt he's doing the same thing this
>>>>> time as well.
>>>> Always prepared.
>>>> The say a gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone.
>>> Those "they say" guys say a lot of stupid things. And so do many
>>> other people.
>> When someone is breaking into your house how long is it going to take
>> the police to get to your housed, provided that someone calls them and
>> tells them that there is a crime in progress and they respond?
> Roughly the same amount of time it would take you to get out of bed,
> go to where your gun is safely stored, unlock the case, grab
> ammunition, load, and get to where the guy just came through your
> window without him taking the first shot.
> Or do you always watch TV with a holster on your hip?
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:01:54 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:53:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <7m39a8lg4a33eo5okbuvncvhnf897dc...@4ax.com>, donsno2
>>> @charter.net says...
>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:52:16 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>>> In article <pan.2012.11.15.00.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>>>> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:37 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>> Carbon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Carbon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Barack Hussein Obama II is the best thing that ever happened to the
>>>>>>>>>> US gun industry.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, even better than Clinton was.
>>>>>>>> Which is ironic, because he's less likely than Clinton to do anything
>>>>>>>> about gun control. But I guess for the conspiracy theorists the fact
>>>>>>>> that he was born in Kenya to anti-colonialist Muslim extremists bent
>>>>>>>> on filling him with Black Rage kind of pushes things over the top.
>>>>>>> He has stated several times he would like to see the AWB reinstated.
>>>>>>> I'm sure we will see that come in sometime in the next couple years.
>>>>>> A friend of mine was so convinced after the 2008 election that Obama was
>>>>>> going to outlaw guns that he bought several ARs, an AK and I think some
>>>>>> Russian surplus battle rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Did
>>>>>> anything happen? No. But I have no doubt he's doing the same thing this
>>>>>> time as well.
>>>>> Always prepared.
>>>>> The say a gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone.
>>>> Those "they say" guys say a lot of stupid things. And so do many
>>>> other people.
>>> When someone is breaking into your house how long is it going to take
>>> the police to get to your housed, provided that someone calls them and
>>> tells them that there is a crime in progress and they respond?
>> Roughly the same amount of time it would take you to get out of bed,
>> go to where your gun is safely stored, unlock the case, grab
>> ammunition, load, and get to where the guy just came through your
>> window without him taking the first shot.
>> Or do you always watch TV with a holster on your hip?
>You are not very well prepared.
I am. My 1911 is in a night stand next to my bed. Loaded and all I
have to do is cock and fire. I still would call the police.
bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:01:54 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Don Kirkman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:53:38 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <7m39a8lg4a33eo5okbuvncvhnf897dc...@4ax.com>, donsno2
>>>> @charter.net says...
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:52:16 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <pan.2012.11.15.00.02...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
>>>>>> nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:37 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>>> Carbon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Carbon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Barack Hussein Obama II is the best thing that ever happened to the
>>>>>>>>>>> US gun industry.
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, even better than Clinton was.
>>>>>>>>> Which is ironic, because he's less likely than Clinton to do anything
>>>>>>>>> about gun control. But I guess for the conspiracy theorists the fact
>>>>>>>>> that he was born in Kenya to anti-colonialist Muslim extremists bent
>>>>>>>>> on filling him with Black Rage kind of pushes things over the top.
>>>>>>>> He has stated several times he would like to see the AWB reinstated.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure we will see that come in sometime in the next couple years.
>>>>>>> A friend of mine was so convinced after the 2008 election that Obama was
>>>>>>> going to outlaw guns that he bought several ARs, an AK and I think some
>>>>>>> Russian surplus battle rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Did
>>>>>>> anything happen? No. But I have no doubt he's doing the same thing this
>>>>>>> time as well.
>>>>>> Always prepared.
>>>>>> The say a gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone.
>>>>> Those "they say" guys say a lot of stupid things. And so do many
>>>>> other people.
>>>> When someone is breaking into your house how long is it going to take
>>>> the police to get to your housed, provided that someone calls them and
>>>> tells them that there is a crime in progress and they respond?
>>> Roughly the same amount of time it would take you to get out of bed,
>>> go to where your gun is safely stored, unlock the case, grab
>>> ammunition, load, and get to where the guy just came through your
>>> window without him taking the first shot.
>>> Or do you always watch TV with a holster on your hip?
>> You are not very well prepared.
> I am. My 1911 is in a night stand next to my bed. Loaded and all I
> have to do is cock and fire. I still would call the police.
Good plan. I have an upstairs and downstairs gun ready to rock.
> >> >>>>>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
> >> >>>>>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
> >> >>>>>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
> >> >>>>>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
> >> >>>>>> What is it about?
> >> >>>>> National defense.
> >> >>>> Not entirely.
> >> >>> Not entirely what, and why?
> >> >>"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not > >> >>warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of > >> >>resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed > >> >>from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas > >> >>Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, > >> >>On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
> >> >Good thinking....225 years ago.
> >> Bobby beat me to it--we're past the days of muskets and embattled
> >> farmers gathering on the green.
> >The government is happy that you are a compliant sheep.
> But I know how to deal with the rabid wolves among us. :-)
> >> >> >>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
> >> >> >>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
> >> >> >>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
> >> >> >>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
> >> >> >>> What is it about?
> >> >> >> National defense.
> >> >> >Not entirely.
> >> >> Not entirely what, and why?
> >> >Dig a little deeper into English law.
> >> For what? English law hasn't been part of the American experience
> >> since the Revolution.
> >Read the Federalist Papers.
> Where I went to school the Federalist Papers were part of the
> curriculum. They explain the reasons the Constitution needed to be
> ratified, but that doesn't mean they automatically still apply to the
> current national issues. Maybe you need to re-read them yourself.
The provided arguments for the inclusion and exclusion of specific language.
> >> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:37 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
> >> >> > Carbon wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
> >> >> >>> Carbon wrote:
> >> >> >>>> Barack Hussein Obama II is the best thing that ever happened to the
> >> >> >>>> US gun industry.
> >> >> >>> Yes, even better than Clinton was.
> >> >> >> Which is ironic, because he's less likely than Clinton to do anything
> >> >> >> about gun control. But I guess for the conspiracy theorists the fact
> >> >> >> that he was born in Kenya to anti-colonialist Muslim extremists bent
> >> >> >> on filling him with Black Rage kind of pushes things over the top.
> >> >> > He has stated several times he would like to see the AWB reinstated.
> >> >> > I'm sure we will see that come in sometime in the next couple years.
> >> >> A friend of mine was so convinced after the 2008 election that Obama was
> >> >> going to outlaw guns that he bought several ARs, an AK and I think some
> >> >> Russian surplus battle rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Did
> >> >> anything happen? No. But I have no doubt he's doing the same thing this
> >> >> time as well.
> >> >Always prepared.
> >> >The say a gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone.
> >> Those "they say" guys say a lot of stupid things. And so do many
> >> other people.
> >When someone is breaking into your house how long is it going to take > >the police to get to your housed, provided that someone calls them and > >tells them that there is a crime in progress and they respond?
> Roughly the same amount of time it would take you to get out of bed,
> go to where your gun is safely stored, unlock the case, grab
> ammunition, load, and get to where the guy just came through your
> window without him taking the first shot.
A locked up guy is useless and provides you no protection.
> Or do you always watch TV with a holster on your hip?
> >>>>>>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
> >>>>>>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
> >>>>>>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
> >>>>>>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
> >>>>>>> What is it about?
> >>>>>> National defense.
> >>>>> Not entirely.
> >>>> Not entirely what, and why?
> >>> "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
> >>> warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of
> >>> resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed
> >>>from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas
> >>> Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson,
> >>> On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
> >> Good thinking....225 years ago.
> >Still is.
> Doesn't fit anymore. 225 years is a long time.
Why don't we just through out the entire Bill of Rights, the government is only going to do what is best for us citizens, right?
>> >> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:11:37 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>> >> >> > Carbon wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:12:07 -0600, MNMikeW wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Carbon wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Barack Hussein Obama II is the best thing that ever happened to the
>> >> >> >>>> US gun industry.
>> >> >> >>> Yes, even better than Clinton was.
>> >> >> >> Which is ironic, because he's less likely than Clinton to do anything
>> >> >> >> about gun control. But I guess for the conspiracy theorists the fact
>> >> >> >> that he was born in Kenya to anti-colonialist Muslim extremists bent
>> >> >> >> on filling him with Black Rage kind of pushes things over the top.
>> >> >> > He has stated several times he would like to see the AWB reinstated.
>> >> >> > I'm sure we will see that come in sometime in the next couple years.
>> >> >> A friend of mine was so convinced after the 2008 election that Obama was
>> >> >> going to outlaw guns that he bought several ARs, an AK and I think some
>> >> >> Russian surplus battle rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Did
>> >> >> anything happen? No. But I have no doubt he's doing the same thing this
>> >> >> time as well.
>> >> >Always prepared.
>> >> >The say a gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone.
>> >> Those "they say" guys say a lot of stupid things. And so do many
>> >> other people.
>> >When someone is breaking into your house how long is it going to take >> >the police to get to your housed, provided that someone calls them and >> >tells them that there is a crime in progress and they respond?
>> Roughly the same amount of time it would take you to get out of bed,
>> go to where your gun is safely stored, unlock the case, grab
>> ammunition, load, and get to where the guy just came through your
>> window without him taking the first shot.
>A locked up guy is useless and provides you no protection.
On the contrary. A locked up guy can't break into your home.
>> >>>>>>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
>> >>>>>>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
>> >>>>>>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
>> >>>>>>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
>> >>>>>>> What is it about?
>> >>>>>> National defense.
>> >>>>> Not entirely.
>> >>>> Not entirely what, and why?
>> >>> "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
>> >>> warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of
>> >>> resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed
>> >>>from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas
>> >>> Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson,
>> >>> On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
>> >> Good thinking....225 years ago.
>> >Still is.
>> Doesn't fit anymore. 225 years is a long time.
>Why don't we just through out the entire Bill of Rights, the government >is only going to do what is best for us citizens, right?
You have no idea what we're talking about Bert. You either just
can't keep up or you can't read.
> >>>>>>>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
> >>>>>>>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
> >>>>>>>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
> >>>>>>>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
> >>>>>>>> What is it about?
> >>>>>>> National defense.
> >>>>>> Not entirely.
> >>>>> Not entirely what, and why?
> >>>> "And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
> >>>> warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of
> >>>> resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed
> >>> >from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas
> >>>> Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson,
> >>>> On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
> >>> Good thinking....225 years ago.
> >> Bobby beat me to it--we're past the days of muskets and embattled
> >> farmers gathering on the green.
> >The only thing different is that the muskets have been replaced with AR15's.
> Are you actually fostering the idea of armed insurgency against our
> government? Get real.
Like I said yesterday, you need to read the Declaration of Independence on a frequent basis.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:00:56 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:45:34 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>>> In article <54583cb0-553e-4529-9936-6b44d5dbda02@googlegroups.com>,
>>> john...@hotmail.com says...
>>>> On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 00:51:12 UTC, BAR wrote:
>>>>> The police have no duty to protect you.
>>>> This will come as a major surprise to a lot of police forces.
>>> I doubt it.
>> I guess all those "protect and serve" decals on police cars a lies,
>> then.
>It means nothing in court.
It seems to mean quite a bit in court when a sworn peace officer is
convicted of failing to do his duty in protecting life and property.
Jurisdictions pay out some pretty large sums in those cases, both
individual cases and aggregated payouts.
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:00:56 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Don Kirkman wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:45:34 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >>> In article <54583cb0-553e-4529-9936-6b44d5dbda02@googlegroups.com>,
> >>> john...@hotmail.com says...
> >>>> On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 00:51:12 UTC, BAR wrote:
> >>>>> The police have no duty to protect you.
> >>>> This will come as a major surprise to a lot of police forces.
> >>> I doubt it.
> >> I guess all those "protect and serve" decals on police cars a lies,
> >> then.
> >It means nothing in court.
> It seems to mean quite a bit in court when a sworn peace officer is
> convicted of failing to do his duty in protecting life and property.
> Jurisdictions pay out some pretty large sums in those cases, both
> individual cases and aggregated payouts.
Please provide proof that a police officer's duty is to protect individuals.
>> >> >> >>> "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> news:te55a8hjoebkejfqe4u0hisviu70olk8g7@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:52:20 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
>> >> >> >>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
>> >> >> >>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
>> >> >> >>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
>> >> >> >>> What is it about?
>> >> >> >> National defense.
>> >> >> >Not entirely.
>> >> >> Not entirely what, and why?
>> >> >Dig a little deeper into English law.
>> >> For what? English law hasn't been part of the American experience
>> >> since the Revolution.
>> >Read the Federalist Papers.
>> Where I went to school the Federalist Papers were part of the
>> curriculum. They explain the reasons the Constitution needed to be
>> ratified, but that doesn't mean they automatically still apply to the
>> current national issues. Maybe you need to re-read them yourself.
>The provided arguments for the inclusion and exclusion of specific >language.
That still doesn't mean that their thoughts automatically still apply
to our current national issues, does it?
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
>> >> >>Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> >>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:06:51 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:54:01 -0500, "Frank Ketchum"
>> >> >>>>> <nos...@thanksanyway.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>> news:te55a8hjoebkejfqe4u0hisviu70olk8g7@4ax.com...
>> >> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:52:20 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
>> >> >>>>>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
>> >> >>>>>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
>> >> >>>>>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
>> >> >>>>>> What is it about?
>> >> >>>>> National defense.
>> >> >>>> Not entirely.
>> >> >>> Not entirely what, and why?
>> >> >>"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not >> >> >>warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of >> >> >>resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed >> >> >>from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas >> >> >>Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith in 1787. Taken from Jefferson, >> >> >>On Democracy 20, S. Padover ed., 1939)
>> >> >Good thinking....225 years ago.
>> >> Bobby beat me to it--we're past the days of muskets and embattled
>> >> farmers gathering on the green.
>> >The government is happy that you are a compliant sheep.
>> But I know how to deal with the rabid wolves among us. :-)
>Obviously you don't.
Highly opinionated but totally unfounded statement. You're
consistent, at least.
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
>> > >> On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 00:51:12 UTC, BAR wrote:
>> > >> > The police have no duty to protect you.
>> > >> This will come as a major surprise to a lot of police forces.
>> > >I doubt it.
>> > I guess all those "protect and serve" decals on police cars a lies,
>> > then.
>> I like that decals, you are falling for the marketing.
>> What is the duty of a police officer?
>A police officer is required to act if he sees a crime being committed.
Right, and if that crime causes or a victim is in danger of bodily
harm the officer can use deadly force if necessary to protect
individuals.
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:27:25 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>In article <540ba8d9pjpqn31g7k4mdcbj4d35c2b...@4ax.com>, donsno2
>@charter.net says...
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:00:56 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
>> >Don Kirkman wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:45:34 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> >>> In article <54583cb0-553e-4529-9936-6b44d5dbda02@googlegroups.com>,
>> >>> john...@hotmail.com says...
>> >>>> On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 00:51:12 UTC, BAR wrote:
>> >>>>> The police have no duty to protect you.
>> >>>> This will come as a major surprise to a lot of police forces.
>> >>> I doubt it.
>> >> I guess all those "protect and serve" decals on police cars a lies,
>> >> then.
>> >It means nothing in court.
>> It seems to mean quite a bit in court when a sworn peace officer is
>> convicted of failing to do his duty in protecting life and property.
>> Jurisdictions pay out some pretty large sums in those cases, both
>> individual cases and aggregated payouts.
>Please provide proof that a police officer's duty is to protect >individuals.
No, you provide something for a change, like proof that that isn't
part of their duty. I've alluded to court decisions. What's in your
hand?
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
> >> >> >> >>> "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>> news:te55a8hjoebkejfqe4u0hisviu70olk8g7@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:52:20 -0600, MNMikeW <mnmiik...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> Never say never. Well, I sure would like a Barrett M107 50 cal. A full
> >> >> >> >>>>> auto would be fun, but would never happen in the liberal shithole called
> >> >> >> >>>>> MN. I CAN get the Barrett, but it's around $13,000.
> >> >> >> >>>> The 2nd amendment isn't about fun.
> >> >> >> >>> What is it about?
> >> >> >> >> National defense.
> >> >> >> >Not entirely.
> >> >> >> Not entirely what, and why?
> >> >> >Dig a little deeper into English law.
> >> >> For what? English law hasn't been part of the American experience
> >> >> since the Revolution.
> >> >Read the Federalist Papers.
> >> Where I went to school the Federalist Papers were part of the
> >> curriculum. They explain the reasons the Constitution needed to be
> >> ratified, but that doesn't mean they automatically still apply to the
> >> current national issues. Maybe you need to re-read them yourself.
> >The provided arguments for the inclusion and exclusion of specific > >language.
> That still doesn't mean that their thoughts automatically still apply
> to our current national issues, does it?
Freedom, liberty, limiting government and the supremacy of the individual are not relevant in this day and age. Welcome to serfdom.
> >> > >> On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 00:51:12 UTC, BAR wrote:
> >> > >> > The police have no duty to protect you.
> >> > >> This will come as a major surprise to a lot of police forces.
> >> > >I doubt it.
> >> > I guess all those "protect and serve" decals on police cars a lies,
> >> > then.
> >> I like that decals, you are falling for the marketing.
> >> What is the duty of a police officer?
> >A police officer is required to act if he sees a crime being committed.
> Right, and if that crime causes or a victim is in danger of bodily
> harm the officer can use deadly force if necessary to protect
> individuals.
> -- > Don Kirkman
> dons...@charter.net
