Re: *ACTUAL* treason in high places: Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
martin
wrote:
> Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
> November 05, 2009
>
> Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. Harry Reid
> REALLY loves illegal aliens.
>
> GOP Senator Sessions of Alabama introduced an amendment that would
> permanently use the E-Verify system to keep illegal aliens from
> receiving unemployment benefits. How did the vote go?
>
> "Unfortunately, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) filed a motion
> to cut off debate (i.e., invoke cloture) on the unemployment
> compensation extension bill without first allowing the Senate to vote
> on the Sessions amendment. The Senate agreed to Reids cloture motion,
> effectively stalling any forward momentum on the Sessions amendment."
>
> Democrat Senate Leader Harry Reid did not allow a vote on the
> amendment--that is one way to kill democracy in the Senate!
>
> If anybody tells you that Democrats are concerned about illegal aliens
> tell them about what Reid did to protect criminals stealing money from
> honest Americans.
>
> Shame on the media for not discussing this. This is why folks watch
> Fox News and laugh at CNN and the rest.
>
> Read more:
>
> Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
> November 05, 2009,http://capoliticalnews.com/blog_post/show/3491
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> What Would America's Founders Say?
>
> The two enemies of the people are criminals
> and government, so let us tie the second down
> with the chains of the Constitution so the
> second will not become the legalized version
> of the first.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Those who hammer their guns into plows will
> plow for those who do not.
> --Thomas Jefferson
>
> It does not take a majority to prevail ... but
> rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on
> setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
> men.
> --Samuel Adams
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain
> the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last
> resort, to protect themselves against tyranny
> in government.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> A free people ought not only to be armed and
> disciplined, but they should have sufficient
> arms and ammunition to maintain a status of
> independence from any who might attempt to
> abuse them, which would include their own
> government."
> -- George Washington
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> If the freedom of speech is taken away then
> dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep, to
> the slaughter.
> -- George Washington
>
> When governments fear the people there is liberty.
> When the people fear the government there is tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a
> standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed
> populace.
> -- James Madison
>
> If the representatives of the people betray
> their constituents, there is then no resource
> left but in the exertion of that original
> right of self-defense which is paramount to
> all positive forms of government ... The
> citizens must rush tumultuously to arms,
> without concert, without system, without
> resource; except in their courage and despair
> ... The natural strength of the people in a
> large community, in proportion to the artificial
> strength of the government, is greater than in a
> small ... the people, without exaggeration, may
> be said to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people
> of good conscience to remain silent.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the
> rulers of the people alone. The people themselves
> are its only safe depositories.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men,
> so now let us show them we can fight like men also.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act!
> Action will delineate and define you.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they
> stand on does not constitute so strong an
> attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy
> of our monied corporations which dare already to
> challenge our government to a trial by strength,
> and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more
> dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best
> forms of government those entrusted with power
> have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted
> it into tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> A Founding Father speaks out on
> what's nowadays called "political correctness":
>
> A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> called "political correctness":
>
> Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> are so often used, are but three different names
> for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> --John Adams
Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
tt
More on this disaster:
http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
Werner
> On Nov 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
Odd. Don't Dems also want to prosecute Americans for employing
illegals? Yes. Very strange.
Tim Crowley
>
>
> Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
Yes, the vast majority of Americans. You 1% American haters are
forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.
H the K
Right-wing trashmeisters work "extra hard" to conceal their identities
on usenet.
clouddreamer
They work even harder concealing the evidence to back up their claims.
Then again, rightwingers don't need evidence. In their minds, if someone
says it, it must be true. D'oh.
..
--
We must change the way we live
Or the climate will do it for us.
David Johnston
wrote:
>On Nov 7, 7:07�am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 7, 5:01�am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>>
>...
>
>
>Odd.
Not especially. After all, the Democrats did not in fact vote to give
illegal aliens unemployment insurance.
Jimmy Simpsons
> H the K wrote:
> > On 11/7/09 10:59 AM, Tim Crowley wrote:
> >> On Nov 7, 4:07 am, martin<martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
>
> >> Yes, the vast majority of Americans. You 1% American haters are
> >> forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.
>
> > Right-wing trashmeisters work "extra hard" to conceal their identities
> > on usenet.
>
> They work even harder concealing the evidence to back up their claims.
>
> Then again, rightwingers don't need evidence. In their minds, if someone
> says it, it must be true. D'oh.
When was the last time you backed up any of the garbage you spew? Try
again.
H the K
A good enema will help you righties avoid back-ups with all that garbage
you ingest.
clouddreamer
What do I need to back up there? There was nothing posted to back up the
original claim. Why don't you rag on him for posting lies???
Oh, right....rightwingers never lie. D'oh.
"Mission Accomplished"
Jax
High Miles
> Stop lying.
That's all the republicans know how to do......................
mg
If you want to go after illegal aliens the way to do it is with a
comprehensive immigration bill. It doesn't accomplish anything to
merely harass them and try to make their life's miserable and pass
laws that are a pain in the neck for business and ordinary citizens
too.
The Republicans had 8 years to do something about it and like health
care, they did nothing: zilch, zero, nada, nil, naught, goose egg. In
fact, George Bush tried to give them amnesty.
ne...@millions.com
<Reuse....@nd.Reduce.now> wrote:
>H the K wrote:
>> On 11/7/09 10:59 AM, Tim Crowley wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 4:07 am, martin<martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
>>>
>>> Yes, the vast majority of Americans. You 1% American haters are
>>> forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.
>>
>>
>> Right-wing trashmeisters work "extra hard" to conceal their identities
>> on usenet.
>
>
>They work even harder concealing the evidence to back up their claims.
>
>Then again, rightwingers don't need evidence. In their minds, if someone
>says it, it must be true. D'oh.
>
> ..
Talk about working harder, the unemployment rate is now over 10%.
Jusy little extra because when a man or women is out work, it doesn't
really matter who's a Democrat or Republican.
So let the Democrats and Republicans tidy up their houses with more
BS.
DCI
ne...@millions.com
wrote:
Amnesty is like a sweet cake. Once it eaten, it is gone while the real
problems remains.
DCI
Hor...@net.net
crap:
>
>Talk about working harder, the unemployment rate is now over 10%.
I guess that's the kind of change you voted for.
Vote for Palin-Arnold in 2012.
Hor...@Horvath.net
My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."
sr
"martin" <martin.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
> Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
> November 05, 2009
>
> Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. Harry Reid
> REALLY loves illegal aliens.
>
> GOP Senator Sessions of Alabama introduced an amendment that would
> permanently use the E-Verify system to keep illegal aliens from
> receiving unemployment benefits. How did the vote go?
>
> A Founding Father speaks out on what's nowadays
> called "political correctness":
>
> Do not suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of
> your liberty to publish by any pretenses of
> politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they
> are so often used, are but three different names
> for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.
> --John Adams
Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
"Not, me" said the little Red hen
wf3h
now that bush is gone,
yeah
wf3h
perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced average salaries
and bonuses of $700,000, could help. that, courtesy of reagan/bush
i'd rather give it to illegal aliens than legal thieves on wall street
sr
"wf3h" <wf...@vsswireless.net> wrote in message
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yeah
=====
out of the skillet into the fire
mg
> On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:11:44 -0800 (PST), mg <mgkel...@yahoo.com>
I always favored amnesty along with a good fence and strict
enforcement. The problem is that both the Democratic party and the
Republican party actually like illegal immigration. So, what we would
probably wind up with is amnesty with no fence. Business likes illegal
immigration because of the cheaper labor and the Democrats like it
because of the votes. The only ones that don't like it is the
overwhelming majority of the American people which doesn't seem to
matter much.
Werner
> On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7, 7:07 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
> > ...
>
> > Odd. Don't Dems also want to prosecute Americans for employing
> > illegals? Yes. Very strange.
>
> perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced average salaries
> and bonuses of $700,000, could help. that, courtesy of reagan/bush
>
Goldman Sachs seems to run finances in all administrations, especially
this one.
> i'd rather give it to illegal aliens than legal thieves on wall street
Yet, our glorious government still favors Wall Streeters. Politics as
Usual is all about exploitation.
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
That's why it was supposed to have limited powers. Wasn't America
supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of
forced
obedience?
http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
Howard Brazee
>>Talk about working harder, the unemployment rate is now over 10%.
>
>
>I guess that's the kind of change you voted for.
I voted against Bush's Big Business welfare program and his Foreign
Wars in countries that don't have bin Laden program.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Thanatos
> > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 7, 7:07 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov 7,
> > > 5:01 am, "Escape the Cult Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
> > > Odd. Don't Dems also want to prosecute Americans for employing
> > > illegals? Yes. Very strange.
> >
> > perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced average salaries
> > and bonuses of $700,000, could help.
Help with what? Giving money to illegals? You seem to be missing the
entire point here.
Evelyn
"sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote in message
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If there is fire, it is Bush's fire we are enduring. Hopefully Obama can
put some of it out. But nobody is a miracle worker, and certainly not any
of the republicans.
--
Evelyn
"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8
freeisbest
> > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
> > November 05, 2009
> Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Americans do. There's no proof you're even a U.S. citizen, just
the fact that you show up here. What's a lot more likely is that
you're a rightwing-propaganda pieceworker who gets paid to post
ridiculous b.s. on the net. Worse, it's b.s. INTENDED to destabilize
OUR government, the U.S. government.
To answer your phony question, what it comes down to is that we
Americans support our government. You don't because you're paid not
to. You're paid to post lies. There's no proof you're even in the
U.S., just the fact that you showed up here. Tell me, why would we
take the the word of a paid liar about anything?
wf3h
yeah. they can sacrifice some of that money for folks earning minimum
wage. we gave goldman sachs the money. now they give it to their rich
managers while the GOP bitches about the poor
wf3h
>
> > perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced average salaries
> > and bonuses of $700,000, could help. that, courtesy of reagan/bush
>
> Goldman Sachs seems to run finances in all administrations, especially
> this one.
well the last one was run by oil barons...with help from lots of wall
street types
freeisbest
The Repubs are back to pretending that whatever they steal -
somebody else stole more, or worse, or earlier, or later... and the
rest of the country moves on. We don't have time for whiny liars too
stupid to help fix the nation after they broke it.
sr
is being done in today's world
I guess you have noticed, the legislatures do not know or care about our
constitution, other than taking an oath of office.
Dishonest
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"Werner" <whet...@mac.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 7, 11:55 pm, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 7, 7:07 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov
> > 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
> > ...
>
> > Odd. Don't Dems also want to prosecute Americans for employing
> > illegals? Yes. Very strange.
>
> perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced average salaries
> and bonuses of $700,000, could help. that, courtesy of reagan/bush
>
Goldman Sachs seems to run finances in all administrations, especially
this one.
> i'd rather give it to illegal aliens than legal thieves on wall street
Yet, our glorious government still favors Wall Streeters. Politics as
Usual is all about exploitation.
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.
?http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
That's why it was supposed to have limited powers. Wasn't America
supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of ?forced
obedience?
http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
sr
"Evelyn" <evely...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "sr" <sol...@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:547a0$4af67b02$ccb58402$15...@ispn.net...
>>
>> "wf3h" <wf...@vsswireless.net> wrote in message
>> news:e3182211-4ad3-436e...@r31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 7, 7:07 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>>>
>>> > November 05, 2009
>>>
>>> > Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. Harry Reid
>>> > REALLY loves illegal aliens.
Evelyn
> -- Time to make adjustments. You are living today, those that can adjust
> live, those that can't ===
Look back to history, it built up over time, and it took many people to get
us here, where we are today, that includes many Democrats fingers in this.
Not very many are clean on either side
Evelyn
In that you are certainly correct, however I believe that republican
presidents have done more to add to the national debt and created more chaos
than any others.
Thanatos
<8db47879-e61d-43b0...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
wf3h <wf...@vsswireless.net> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 11:24�am, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 11:55�pm, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Nov 7, 9:35�am, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Nov 7, 7:07�am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:> On
> > > > > Nov 7,
> > > > > 5:01�am, "Escape the Cult Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
> > > > > Odd. Don't Dems also want to prosecute Americans for employing
> > > > > illegals? Yes. Very strange.
> >
> > > > perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced
> > > > average salaries and bonuses of $700,000, could help.
> >
> > Help with what? Giving money to illegals? You seem to be missing the
> > entire point here.
>
> yeah. they can sacrifice some of that money for folks earning minimum
> wage.
Those folks aren't even legally entitled to be in this country. The idea
that you'd suggest forcing U.S. citizens to give over their own money to
illegal foreign national lawbreakers is nuts.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
> On Nov 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
>
> > Need more proof Democrats love illegal aliens, here it is. Harry Reid
> > REALLY loves illegal aliens.
>
Dems do not love illegals. They don't give a damn about them. What
they love is all the money they get from Big Business for supporting
illegals.
Werner
> The Govenment was sat up to PROTECT our FREEDOMS Not taking them away, that
> is being done in today's world
>
> I guess you have noticed, the legislatures do not know or care about our
> constitution, other than taking an oath of office.
> Dishonest
Well, it looks increasingly like the jig is up. We can no longer
afford politics as usual.
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
----
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
> ------------"Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
Werner
> On Nov 7, 4:07 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Does anyone still support the government in Washington, DC?
>
> forced to hide behind anonymous mailers while the world passes you by.
You must live in a different world.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=18
sr
================
-------Obama LikUniversity of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835
And remember, Obama Adm. saw to it the big boys got their HINI flu shots,
while the Military only got 1/2 of the requested doses, and Maine got enough
for 1 in 3. Obama likes the Big Boys, even retain Hank Paulson, Goldman
Sachs, from the Bush Adm.
,
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>yeah. they can sacrifice some of that money for folks earning minimum
>wage. we gave goldman sachs the money. now they give it to their rich
>managers while the GOP bitches about the poor
The financial cost of wars in countries where bin Laden visited
sometime in the past would pay for a great deal.
Tim Crowley
political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
Government. Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.
Howard Brazee
<timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>political polls have nothing to do with supporting your Government.
>You may disagree with the President. Disprove of how he's doing his
>job. But if you're an American, you realize that are the Government
>and it is your duty as an American Citizen to support your
>Government. Maybe a civics class would help you clear it up.
This is a value which is more popular with the Right than with the
Left. But it is a value which seems to be ignored when the other
party is in power. Maybe it just sounds as though it's ignored, and
the Right is hoping for the President's policies to succeed.
sr
On Nov 8, 12:12 pm, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> The Govenment was sat up to PROTECT our FREEDOMS Not taking them away,
> that
> is being done in today's world
>
> I guess you have noticed, the legislatures do not know or care about our
> constitution, other than taking an oath of office.
> Dishonest
Well, it looks increasingly like the jig is up. We can no longer
afford politics as usual.
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
----
?http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
> ------------"Werner" <whetz...@mac.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8569b8a3-ce0d-4b04...@g7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 7, 11:55 pm, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 9:35 am, Werner <whetz...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 7, 7:07 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Nov
> > > 7, 5:01 am, "Escape_the_Cult_Now" <killef...@invalid.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Democrats Vote to Give Illegal Aliens Unemployment Insurance
>
> > > ...
>
> > > Odd. Don't Dems also want to prosecute Americans for employing
> > > illegals? Yes. Very strange.
>
> > perhaps goldman sachs, with their recently announced average salaries
> > and bonuses of $700,000, could help. that, courtesy of reagan/bush
>
> Goldman Sachs seems to run finances in all administrations, especially
> this one.
>
> > i'd rather give it to illegal aliens than legal thieves on wall street
>
> Yet, our glorious government still favors Wall Streeters. Politics as
> Usual is all about exploitation.
> Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
> of others.
> ?http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
> That's why it was supposed to have limited powers. Wasn't America
> supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of ?forced
> obedience?http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
=======No sense in hiding you money in a tin can in the backyard, the value
of the dollar in2010,2011, isn't going to be worth the sweat to dig that
hole. Inflation is going to hit us with dbl digits to cover all the
spending, Back to the Carter years. OBAMA is too young to remember the
Carter year, I guess, the same can't be said that had a hand in running up
this debt. Short signed, I guess
Werner
No the civics lesson I learned was how government was supposed to be
accountable to We The People.
If "we the people'' must pay for a "money pit'' we obviously don't
want, does that not make us accountable to government?
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Accountable.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Education.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/PerformanceGap.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/ReportCard.shtml
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Schools.shtml
despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
example,
according to the 2000 Program for International Student Assessment
(PISA) for 15-
year-old students, the U.S. ranked 15th in reading, 18th in
mathematics, and 14th in science literacy among 27 OECD countries
(U.S. DOE, 2001).
http://www.uwm.edu/~kim/papers/Accountability_Final.pdf
"
In crafting the Bill of Rights, the framers were careful to
acknowledge implicitly and explicitly two key truths:
The first is that government does not grant rights it acknowledges
them. They exist independently of government. They're part of who and
what we are. And, as Jefferson noted in the Declaration of
Independence, the only legitimate function of government is to secure
them.
The second is that government is a servant to whom we delegate powers,
not a master who dispenses privileges. The Constitution carefully
enumerates the powers we, the people, delegate to our government and
it specifically denies that government any powers not so delegated.
Our rights lie beyond the pale of that delegation. They are
sacrosanct. Any government which infringes upon them is engaged in an
intolerable usurpation.
"
www.badnarik.org
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A "right" as envisioned by the Founders meant that the government
was not permitted to interfere with your pursuit of them, i.e.,
your pursuit of happiness was to be unhindered by government.
The "right" of free speech means that government cannot interfere
with your free speech. The "right" of gun ownership means that the
government cannot infringe your gun ownership. What does "right"
to health care mean? It means that the government cannot stand in
the way of your pursuit of health care, or impede your
obtaining health care. The "right" to an attorney means that the
government cannot prevent you obtaining an attorney to represent
you.
Of course, "right" has incorrectly come to mean that someone must
supply you with something. If your "right" to housing means that
some slave must supply you with housing, and your "right" to health
care means that some slave must supply you with health care, and your
"right" to an attorney means that some slave must supply you with an
attorney, does your "right" to free speech mean that some slave must
supply you with a loudspeaker, or TV air time? Does your "right" to
own guns mean that some slave must supply you with guns?
http://capitaldistrict-lp.org/Rights.shtml
Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
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http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/how.shtml
Governing has become a way to get privileges for some at the expense
of others.
http://www.capitaldistrict-lp.org/what.shtml
http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2008/August/the-national-debt.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp8ZmQMCtqA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSoXKapKQs&feature=related
freeisbest
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> ... I believe that republican presidents have done more to add to
> the national debt and created more chaos than any others.
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Imho we don't have to merely 'believe' it. (In the sense of
'suppose'.) Anyone can google up hundreds of different comparisons,
charts, and historical statements that all say the same thing, in
verifiable numbers: every time they get the chance, rightwingers
*always* grab the U.S. Treasury then spend it as if it were their own
money. After the inevitable crash, they then they lay back and wait
for Democrats to replenish the nation's wealth so they can do it all
over again. Bleating loudly all the while about how wasteful other
people are...
Thomas Jefferson warned us about exactly this process - that we
needed to keep an eye on rich men, bankers, and their bought
legislators, because one party governs for the sake of the banks and
their own personal wealth, and the other party - Liberals/Democrats/
Progressives - governs for the sake of the nation.
Howard Brazee
>Well, it looks increasingly like the jig is up. We can no longer
>afford politics as usual.
>Dollars in the common treasury are like fish in the common sea -
>anyone who can will harvest to extinction. That is why socialism is
>fundamentally corrupting and can not work. The Fed is making a lot of
>paper fish. This is an illusion of wealth. The real fish are gone.
I agree that when money is printed and spent by the same people, this
kind of corruption happens. If you are referring to such
governments as "socialism", you have a point. If you are just
referring to the other party - the one that spends the deficit
differently from your party, then your point is lost.
Do you have a proposal that you believe could work - separating out
the spending from the money printing? Maybe give up the power to
print money to some international body? Or do you prefer that we go
back to gold, and no more IOUs such as loans on paper?
Howard Brazee
wrote:
>despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
>pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
>reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
>example,
I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. The goal
isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
best educated work force. So that's what should be measured.
Werner
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 07:51:43 -0800 (PST), Werner <whetz...@mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> >despite the fact that the U.S. spends the largest amount of money per
> >pupil in the world, standardized international achievement tests
> >reveal that U.S. public schools achieve mediocre scores.. For
> >example,
>
> I'd prefer to measure the education throughout one's life. The goal
> isn't to have the best 6th grade test takers, the goal is to have the
> best educated work force. So that's what should be measured.
>
> --
There is probably a correlation between poor early education and
lifetime learning.
Werner
> ...
>
> Do you have a proposal that you believe could work - separating out
> the spending from the money printing? Maybe give up the power to
> print money to some international body? Or do you prefer that we go
> back to gold, and no more IOUs such as loans on paper?
>
Let me try to answer this. The further decisions can be made from the
individual, the greater the corruption, cronyism and politics as
usual. An international body is further from individual control.
Wasn't America supposed to be about voluntary agreement instead of
forced obedience?
http://www.ny.lp.org/choice
There are people who think the 16th&17th Amendments need to be
repealed along with the Federal Reserve Act.
assim...@borg.org
On 9-Nov-2009, freeisbest <demeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Liberals/Democrats/
> Progressives - governs for the sake of the nation.
bwwaaaa!!!!
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bill-o