http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
http://www.amren.com/ American Renaissance
http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare
http://www.halturnershow.com/ Hal Turner Show
Biggest threat facing America is the impact of illegal
immigration. Over 2,000 Americans killed yearly by
illegal aliens. Population explosion due to high mestizo*
birth rate. All leading to total cultural distortion.
ted
*Mestizo: A spanish speaking third-worlder whose DNA is appx.
80% central American indian, 15% negro from freed slaves who
bred with indians, 5% european. Group IQ 87. Illegal alien cost yearly
to taxpayers 383 billion dollars.
I was born white.
WOOOHOOO!!!
Gosh, I just love my white pride!
Don't forget these:
http;//www.kenpitts.com
McCorporate Multinationals subverting all that doesn't enrich the top
1% of the organization;
CEO
Exec VP'S
Boards of Directors
_Healthcare_: Any WEALTHY MODERN nation that looks the other way while
her own people die and suffer, is deeply, deeply sick.
Regards,
Illegal aliens are not "Her [America's] own People".
But that's beside the point. A person from Africa who braved every
hardship imaginable to come and live in America was asked why he wanted to
live here. His reply was "Because America is only country on earth where
poor people are fat".
SotR
S(ot)omize(R)...You've managed to confuse issues. As much as the illegal
alien concern is real, using it as a cover for the larger reality;
Tens of millions of _native_born_US_citizens_ have undergone living hell
as insurance companies and "providers" have turned their backs on them.
> Biggest threat facing America is the impact of
McCorporate Multinationals subverting all that doesn't enrich the top
1% of the organization;
CEO
Exec VP'S
Boards of Directors
_Healthcare_: Any WEALTHY MODERN nation that looks the other way while
her own people die and suffer, is deeply, deeply sick.
Regards,
P.S. So(tomize)R...
While you've got a chub on for illegial aliens, Africans, etc.,
[attempting to dilute / co-opt the Healthcare issue with your own
biased H88 agenda...] factual reality here on Earth, in the USA has been
underway for decades:
You are the one confusing issues. The OP's point was exactly about ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS, not legal American citizens in poverty. If we got rid of just a
fraction of these people sucking the tit of the American tax payer (to
borrow from Chuck Grassley) then there would be a lot more money to help the
legal Americans.
But noooo, you only see what you want to see.
SotR
The idea that they come here to deliver babies who then become citizens
and we have to then pay for their care is disgusting
Child molesters and Used Car Salesman have a better reputation now
than Bankers and Whore Street execs .
And most citizens making the annual wage of the illegal do not pay any
income taxes either.
Yes, but "citizens" being the operative word here. I don't have any problem
with legal immigration. But make these people come here via the legal
system.
SotR
Sounds like Glenn Beck talking -to obfuscate and issue.
Sot(omize(R),
What "you want to see" is the thread go off on illegal aliens,
minorities, etc...that's why you erased:
SotR
True. Bring back the Bracero program. Temporary work permits. But do not
use the excuse they do not pay income taxes as legals are not paying them
either in the same pay grade.
> I didn't erase anything, I was responding to the point.
>
> SotR
>
>
OK... ---> http://tinyurl.com/SoTvsFact
Point on that, Fido. ;-)
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
>And most citizens making the annual wage of the illegal do not pay any
>income taxes either.
They pay social security, but don't benefit from it.
>Yes, but "citizens" being the operative word here. I don't have any problem
>with legal immigration. But make these people come here via the legal
>system.
But any children born here are citizens just like me.
SotR
Don't forget these:
http;//www.kenpitts.com
*****************************
Should we infer that http://www.dnc.org/ is for non-white people?
Of course not. Democrats do not see the race of a person at all.
Never mind that they do nothing besides talk about race.
> Should we infer that http://www.dnc.org/ is for non-white people?
Only if you're dumb.
True they can stay. But don't try to feed me this lie they we are breaking
up families. They're free to leave the country with their padres y madres.
Are you saying Bret is dumb?
Of course not, but moderator's inference clearly is. The argument that
right-wingers are racists in no way implies that left-wingers are also
racists.
Why? No where does the law actually say that the children of illegals are
required to considered citizens.
and while you're down and kicked,
So wouldnt implying that the RNC is for white people also be dumb?
Dude, you obviously didn't see too many McCain or Palin rallies.
I've seen more black faces at an Osmond's Family reunion.
If they are born in the United States, shit-for-brains, they are citizens.
Ever read the 14th Amendment? Or do you not consider Constitutional
Amendments law?
Section 1. All persons *born* or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States
and of the State wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any
law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty,
or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within
its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The Supremes have not expanded upon that definition specifically to
cover those children of illegals born here, but most sane people
do not think they have to do so. I suggest lower courts would consider
it black letter law.
Bilious, you really ought to retire yourself along with your senility.
These guys are primo *iLL*. The most effective way to deal with them is
ridicule, including proof-source refutations where appropriate (as
you have, here). Nice going! M
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Just exactly how does this make the RNC racist? You do know who Michael
Steele is don't you?
Now that is funny. I think we have a winner.
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It is the white people's fault that people of color don't participate?
Gottcha.
No, but any viewing of the Republican National Convention would.
In four nights, we saw maybe two people of color. Not counting the
workers behind the counter selling hot dogs and Cokes, of course.
I've got the whole four nights recorded. Care to watch any of it with me?
randy
I have two words for you: Uncle Tom.
Randy
>Riiiiiiiiight. So what you're saying is that any African-Americans that are
>conservative are Uncle Toms? Pure genius.
Are you saying a left winger just labeled a black person? By there
own definition doesn't this make them a .....RACIST?
David Laville, G.S.E.M.
The Golfing Machine Authorized Instructor
Of course. He's one of the 5 black Republicans.
J.C. Watts is another. Can you name the other 3?
I think it'll say more if you can and he can't.
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You are aware that the RNC is comprised of more that just Congressmen dont
you? Watts retired in 2003 by the way.
Its outlandish to say that either party is racist. Its not silly to
say that there are more blacks in the Democratic Party than the
Republican Party. So what? This thread is an argument for the sake
of arguing.
bk
I actually find logical fallacies like yours kind of sad.
>I actually find logical fallacies like yours kind of sad.
Hey Carbon, remember how concerned you were about wire taps? How come
since the election you haven't shown any concern? What was it that
changed your mind about them?
Where are they "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" they are here
illegally.
Ahhh...reading comprehension... ? ;-)
_That_ is your response to:
>> If they are born in the United States, shit-for-brains, they are
>> citizens.
?
HK probably gave up on bothering to discuss the matter with you. I can
clearly see why. :-) M
Why don't you "study up" on the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction
thereof" and get back to us?
After you figure that part out, please tell us how someone born in a
U.S. hospital is here "illegally," since that someone is immediately a
U.S. citizen.
Really, Bilious.
Exactly. Note the genius repeated accusations toward Pitts as being a
racist because he dislikes TW's tournament behavior.
Brown's the racist.
-Greg
Ayup. The primary motivation for many of Annika's posts: to cause
arguments.
One person isn't an argument.
bk
I have said multiple times in this newsgroup that warrantless wiretaps
are unconstitutional, regardless of who is President. You apparently
don't have much of a memory, but you can verify all you want on Google
Groups.
Dear Leader Obama's election and his subsequent legal battle to keep the
"illegal" wire taps.
Well, they have a memory, they are just taken completely by surprise by
someone for whom a principle is a principle, as opposed to just being
right on their side and wrong on their opponents.
Be patient, it is very hard for them.
You should move to Gilligan's Island, where I'm
sure you'd be happier.
Everybody else would be, too.
--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
> You should move to Gilligan's Island, where I'm
> sure you'd be happier.
what are the laws there?
AIUI in the past that included ocean liners (when ocean
liners existed. US ocean liners are/were US territory.)
I dunno fer sher how it works for US airliners, but I'd
think it's the same deal.
Back in the post WWII years there were a number of
children born on US ocean liners bringing pregnant
immigrants from Europe. And their parents weren't
yet officially Americans -- their own kids beat them
to the punch, just by being born in the right place,
which could have been in the middle of the Atlantic
Ocean. Probably in rough seas, at 2:30 AM.
cheers,
Tom
If Little Buddy screws up, you get to whap him
with your hat.
And everybody gets a turn at making electricity
by pedaling the stationary bike.
Really dumbshit. The court has actually never ruled on the Anchor Babies.
The 14th when it went in force did not include some people born in the USA.
Did not include indians born on reservations. Maybe you should do a little
reading on the subject.
> Really dumbshit. The court has actually never ruled on the Anchor
> Babies.
They don't need to since it's spelled out pretty clearly in black and
white in the Amendment.
I love it when the so-called "strict constructionist" frauds get caught
in their own trap.
Good golly....I agree again.
> Ayup. The primary motivation for many of Annika's posts: to cause
> arguments.
Disagree. Anni's motivation is to be the class clown....and he's good at
it.
-Greg
True, but people born on a reservation are considered US Citizens now.
Rules change as interpretations change. Why I said the court has not ruled
on the anchor babies, but they could very well declare them non citizens.
The law does not stand as it reads. As the court has not really said what
it reads.
Not spelled out. The indians were not considered citizens when born on the
reservation even after the 14th amendment.
As I stated, pretty much black letter law. There's no need for the
Supremes to get into this, and they haven't. Native Americans were not
considered citizens back then only because of white boy discrimination
and because by not considering them citizens, it was easier to exploit them.
We're not going back to white rule, Bilious. Get over your hate.
Even the right-wing court we now have is not going down that road,
bilious. Sorry, the days of white boy rule are over.
> They don't need to since it's spelled out pretty clearly in black and
> white in the Amendment.
> I love it when the so-called "strict constructionist" frauds get caught
> in their own trap.
Rich, I thought you didn't cross-post off-topic political nonsense to
alt.guitar? You threw a tantrum last time I accused you of being a
hypocrite and then you had to go and prove me right.
Now there is some actual racism. I don't expect you to know the difference.
Of course. He's one of the 5 black Republicans.
J.C. Watts is another. Can you name the other 3?
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Using your logic, the NBA and NFL are racist organizations.
Just like they are here. The stupid looking, skinny guy is screwing
everything up.
Well, you've hit pay dirt in rec.boats, where at least a half-dozen
regular posters are regular white racists.
>
> "R&B" <none_of_yo...@all.com> wrote in message
> news:2009041616024016807-noneofyourbusiness@allcom...
>> On 2009-04-16 14:20:29 -0400, "MNMikeW" <MNMi...@aol.com> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:49e76949$0$27976$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:48:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>> "Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49e7533a$0$18696$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:06:43 -0500, The moderator wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should we infer that http://www.dnc.org/ is for non-white people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only if you're dumb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying Bret is dumb?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not, but moderator's inference clearly is. The argument that
>>>> right-wingers are racists in no way implies that left-wingers are also
>>>> racists.
>>>
>>> So wouldnt implying that the RNC is for white people also be dumb?
>>
>>
>> No, but any viewing of the Republican National Convention would.
>>
>> In four nights, we saw maybe two people of color. Not counting the
>> workers behind the counter selling hot dogs and Cokes, of course.
>>
>> I've got the whole four nights recorded. Care to watch any of it with me?
>>
>> randy
>>
> You do know the RNC is headed by an African-American don't you.
Yes, his main competitor for the position was a guy who produced a
YouTube music video called "Barack the Magic Negro."
That pretty much sums up the Republican party.
And somehow the Republicans didn't vote for that guy, even though they
did embrace him as a finalist for the position. But they figured that
if they put a black guy in that position, he could deflect criticism
about their racist nature, and the party could simply hide behind him
while completely ignoring what he says. Just ask your real leader,
Rush, who has already brushed aside Mr. Steele.
Michael Steele has been a joke. We're still waiting to see how he
gives the Republican party a hip-hop makeover, as he promised to do.
That ought to be extremely entertaining, just as it's already been.
Next thing you know, John McCain will be sporting a doo rag and Sarah
Palin will be carrying a ghetto blaster on her shoulder while wearing
her urban "fuck me" boots, just to show how "with it" she is.
You guys are hopeless. You're so out of ideas all you have left are
these empty symbols, behind which there is no substance other than the
same old tired policy arguments Americans soundly rejected at the polls
in November.
This just in: With all the rifle-carrying neo-Nazis at the tea bagging
parties carrying their placards with swaztikas on signs calling for the
overthrow of the government, and nut jobs with the tea bags dangling
from their hats as they carry signs depicting the President of the
United States as a socialist, a Communist, or of him giving a blow job
to the Saudi leader, the rest of the country was seeing this and having
the same reaction to it that America's middle of the roaders had when
they saw the demonstrators at the '68 Democratic National Convention --
Americans were seeing this and saying, "They're nothing like me." The
party has trivialized itself to the point of being just a few steps shy
of joining the Whigs as a relic of the past.
Go back to your tea bagging while the rest of America just laughs at you.
You're pathetic.
Randy
I love posts like this. You combine this ignorant arrogance with the
leftist media's snears about the tax tea parties, trillion dollar giveaways,
bowing to a Saudi king, tax cheat treasurer, Princess Pelosi, etc. and
you'll see that America's moderates will revert back to the Republican
party. 2010 will be 1994 all over again.
So....keep it up, Randy. Enjoy your handouts while they last. Rely on
others to pay your medical bills, pinhead.
-Greg
Stupid lefty elitist. Where the hell I say anything about white rule? You
are the racist pig of the newsgroup. I am stating about legal status for a
kid snuck into the country while still in the womb. Does not matter what
color. Whites from Eastern European countries are doing the same thing.
Greg, Randy is right. The Republican Party has been hijacked by
extremists, a point that is not lost on any rational person watching
these hopeless "grassroots" teabagger demonstrations. The whole thing is
so obviously orchestrated out of Washington it's pathetic. They can't
get anyone even remotely sympathetic, so they end up with these ignorant
fools standing in the rain with their embarrassing, semi-literate signs.
Honestly, it's hard to watch.
Obama owns the middle. He will win in 2010 and 2012. He will win because
the Republicans will never accept that their only chance is to ditch
Rush and his millions of dittohead followers, give up on these
ridiculous astroturfing campaigns, and completely remake themselves into
something the middle will accept. And heaven help you guys if you cough
up Palin as the candidate in 2012. You'll really be fucked then.
Indeed we will.
May I archive this post so I can show it to you after the election?
Randy
>
> "MNMikeW" <MNMi...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:74pjqfF...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "R&B" <none_of_yo...@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:2009041616024016807-noneofyourbusiness@allcom...
>>> On 2009-04-16 14:20:29 -0400, "MNMikeW" <MNMi...@aol.com> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:49e76949$0$27976$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:48:06 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>>> "Carbon" <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49e7533a$0$18696$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:06:43 -0500, The moderator wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should we infer that http://www.dnc.org/ is for non-white people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only if you're dumb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying Bret is dumb?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not, but moderator's inference clearly is. The argument that
>>>>> right-wingers are racists in no way implies that left-wingers are also
>>>>> racists.
>>>>
>>>> So wouldnt implying that the RNC is for white people also be dumb?
>>>
>>>
>>> No, but any viewing of the Republican National Convention would.
>>>
>>> In four nights, we saw maybe two people of color. Not counting the
>>> workers behind the counter selling hot dogs and Cokes, of course.
>>>
>>> I've got the whole four nights recorded. Care to watch any of it with
> me?
>>>
>>> randy
>>>
>> You do know the RNC is headed by an African-American don't you. The
> majority
>> of people of color align themselves with the DNC. This doesn't make the
> RNC
>> racist.
>
> Bingo!
>
> -Greg
This from a guy who chooses to live in a state whose population is 2%
black, fully 11 percent below the national average, one of the lowest
percentages in the nation. I'm sure that's no coincidence.
Have you ever actually MET a black person?
I mean, other than watching Bill Cosby on TV?
Randy
Orchestrated out of Washington? Huh? Talk about ignorant.
>
> Obama owns the middle. He will win in 2010 and 2012. He will win because
> the Republicans will never accept that their only chance is to ditch
> Rush and his millions of dittohead followers, give up on these
> ridiculous astroturfing campaigns, and completely remake themselves into
> something the middle will accept. And heaven help you guys if you cough
> up Palin as the candidate in 2012. You'll really be fucked then.
Obama is hardly middle. But then a extremist lefty like you would never see
that.
> >> You do know the RNC is headed by an African-American don't you. The
> > majority
> >> of people of color align themselves with the DNC. This doesn't make the
> > RNC
> >> racist.
> >
> > Bingo!
> >
> > -Greg
>
>
> This from a guy who chooses to live in a state whose population is 2%
> black, fully 11 percent below the national average, one of the lowest
> percentages in the nation. I'm sure that's no coincidence.
>
> Have you ever actually MET a black person?
>
> I mean, other than watching Bill Cosby on TV?
>
> Randy
I live in Washington and it's 3.6% black, not that it makes any difference.
I've met, befriended, done business, played golf with black people and
people of all races.
The color of one's skin is irrelevent. The behavior, in particular the
concept of personal responsibility, is relevent...and it's an issue you fall
short in...slacker.
-Greg
Nonsense. It was a grass root as it gets. Furthermore, here is a fact you
need to weigh. 69 mill voted for Obama. 62 mill against him. Of the 69
mill, a significant portion was a performance vote against the Bush admin.
The 7 million difference plus the portion I mention is a fluid number,
representing the moderate majority. It will not take much to swing them
right. All is needed is further exposure by loons like Randy along with
liberal policy from Pelosi and Obama.
> Obama owns the middle. He will win in 2010 and 2012. He will win because
> the Republicans will never accept that their only chance is to ditch
> Rush and his millions of dittohead followers, give up on these
> ridiculous astroturfing campaigns, and completely remake themselves into
> something the middle will accept. And heaven help you guys if you cough
> up Palin as the candidate in 2012. You'll really be fucked then.
It will not be Palin but somebody will rise and take the lead. As for Obama
owning the middle, exactly what middle ground has he taken so far on any
issue he's proposed or put into law???
Earmarks....remember that promise. It will haunt him just like "read my
lips" did with Bush I. The honeymoon is ending and Obama better scoot to
the middle like Bubba did or face a revolution just like '94.
-Greg
>> We're not going back to white rule, Bilious. Get over your hate.
>
> Stupid lefty elitist. Where the hell I say anything about white rule? You
> are the racist pig of the newsgroup. I am stating about legal status for a
> kid snuck into the country while still in the womb. Does not matter what
> color. Whites from Eastern European countries are doing the same thing.
>
>
*Imagine* the _audacity_ of a parent wanting a better life for their
children. Who do they think they are-- American's?
Bill...you're a full douche bag on fire. :-) M
I think he is referring to the U.S. Supreme Court.
> Some European nations have legally closed the
> anchor baby loophole for the same reasons that many are concerned about in
> America. They are far from being right-wing. A rational citizenry knows
> when they are being played for fools.
Isn't it true in the context of the 14th that the proviso was to clarify the
status of former slaves and their descendents? Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
IF they can be arrested and tried for crimes committed, if they are
compelled to pay taxes (like sales taxes) etc. they ARE under the
jurisdiction of the USA. Take care
Correct.