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la...@pivotforpower.com

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May 25, 2012, 1:17:03 PM5/25/12
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Mitt Romney:

After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.

As a venture-capitalist, Romney's first major business deal involved investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts that sold office supplies. That company, called Staples, now has over 2,000 stores and employs over 90,000 people.

Romney or his company Bain Capital (using what became known as the "Bain Way") would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel, Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many others. HUNDREDS of thousands of jobs created!!! Although some businesses Bain worked on were not successful and closed, Bain achieved success and jobs were created about 80% of the time. Batting 800 is not bad!

Got your calculators handy? Let's recap. Volunteer campaign worker for his dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year. Unpaid intern in Governor's office 8 years. Mormon missionary in Paris 2 years. Unpaid bishop and stake president for his church 10 years. No salary as president of the Olympics 3 years. No salary as MA governor 4 years. That's a grand total of 28 years of unpaid service to his country, his community and his church. Why? Because that's the kind of man Mitt Romney is.

There is a big difference between GIVERS and TAKERS … Romney also donated his entire inheritance to charity so he and his wife Ann started out their life at ground zero. The wealth they built, they did on their own… So much for OBAMA''S "silver spoon" accusation.

What unpaid services has Obama given back to his community and church?

Larry

William Clark

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May 25, 2012, 2:09:49 PM5/25/12
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In article <9940a48e-ec95-41ac...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:

> Mitt Romney:
>
> After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School
> simultaneously, he passed the Michigan bar, but never worked as an attorney.
>
> As a venture-capitalist, Romney's first major business deal involved
> investing in a start-up office supply company with one store in Massachusetts
> that sold office supplies. That company, called Staples, now has over 2,000
> stores and employs over 90,000 people.
>
> Romney or his company Bain Capital (using what became known as the "Bain
> Way") would go on to perform the same kinds of business miracles again and
> again, with companies like Domino's, Sealy, Brookstone, Weather Channel,
> Burger King, Warner Music Group, Dollarama, Home Depot Supply, and many
> others. HUNDREDS of thousands of jobs created!!! Although some businesses
> Bain worked on were not successful and closed, Bain achieved success and jobs
> were created about 80% of the time. Batting 800 is not bad!
>
> Got your calculators handy? Let's recap. Volunteer campaign worker for his
> dad's gubernatorial campaign 1 year. Unpaid intern in Governor's office 8
> years. Mormon missionary in Paris 2 years. Unpaid bishop and stake president
> for his church 10 years. No salary as president of the Olympics 3 years. No
> salary as MA governor 4 years. That's a grand total of 28 years of unpaid
> service to his country, his community and his church. Why? Because that's the
> kind of man Mitt Romney is.
>
> There is a big difference between GIVERS and TAKERS Š Romney also donated
> his entire inheritance to charity so he and his wife Ann started out their
> life at ground zero. The wealth they built, they did on their ownŠ So much
> for OBAMA''S "silver spoon" accusation.
>
> What unpaid services has Obama given back to his community and church?
>
> Larry

Larry, sod off with this tripe.

kenpitts

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May 25, 2012, 5:04:41 PM5/25/12
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On May 25, 1:09 pm, William Clark <cl...@nospam.matsceng.ohio-
But you spewing your leftist tripe is OK? Go back to the UK from
whence you came.

Ken

Carbon

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May 25, 2012, 5:51:15 PM5/25/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:03 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:

> Mitt Romney:
>
> After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School
> simultaneously

JD/MBA program is a combined degree where the law degree is interspersed
with less challenging MBA courses. Romney actually did very well,
graduating Cum Laude from the Law School. In fact he did almost as well
as Obama, who was elected President of the Law Review and graduated
Magna Cum Laude at the same university.

BAR

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May 25, 2012, 6:14:31 PM5/25/12
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In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
Obama's problem is he didn't do the MBA. Obama has no idea how business
works.

Carbon

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May 25, 2012, 6:25:32 PM5/25/12
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And you think you would get this knowledge from an MBA? Good one!!

kenpitts

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May 25, 2012, 6:28:36 PM5/25/12
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Had Obama quit smoking weed by then?

Ken

kenpitts

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May 25, 2012, 6:29:30 PM5/25/12
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On May 25, 5:25 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:14:31 -0400, BAR wrote:
> > In article <pan.2012.05.25.21.51...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
That and actually running businesses, as Romney has. By comparison,
Obama hasn't run a pop stand.

Ken

Carbon

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May 25, 2012, 7:17:18 PM5/25/12
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He didn't "run" businesses. He parted them out.

Carbon

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May 25, 2012, 7:19:38 PM5/25/12
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I would imagine so. Like the vast majority of people his age, he
experimented with drugs. Unlike most politicians, he didn't lie about
it.

BAR

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May 25, 2012, 7:39:33 PM5/25/12
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How do you know Obama has stopped smoking weed? He may kick back each
evening with a soda, bag chips and a couple of blunts. Who is going to
arrest him?

I would bet that Bill Clinton is really pissed about the SS getting
babes on the side and not throwing him one once in a while.

Alan Baker

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May 25, 2012, 7:58:00 PM5/25/12
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In article
<1171c3c0-81f8-40cd...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> > > There is a big difference between GIVERS and TAKERS ·  Romney also
> > > donated
> > > his entire inheritance to charity so he and his wife Ann started out
> > > their
> > > life at ground zero. The wealth they built, they did on their own·  So
> > > much
> > > for OBAMA''S "silver spoon" accusation.
> >
> > > What unpaid services has Obama given back to his community and church?
> >
> > > Larry
> >
> > Larry, sod off with this tripe.
>
> But you spewing your leftist tripe is OK? Go back to the UK from
> whence you came.
>
> Ken

Ever the bigot, eh Ken!

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Dene

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May 25, 2012, 9:28:40 PM5/25/12
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BS. Carbs. Venture capitalist businesses buy lagging ones, bring them
to profitability, and triple their money in the process. They do it
by getting rid of deadwood employees, improving operations, morale,
and re-establishing focus in the market place. I have a good friend
who works for one called Arsenal Capital. She is in their "bullpen"
as a temporary CEO and literally works herself out of a job by doing
whatever it takes to make the acquired biz profitable once again.

If only the government would do the same.

-Greg

la...@pivotforpower.com

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May 25, 2012, 9:49:52 PM5/25/12
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You say that, but do we know for sure that his degree was not granted under "affirmative action?" Have you seen his transcripts? Have you or anyone seen his dessertations? NO. Because they are all "under seal.'

I suspect that like he wrote about himself at Punehoe in Hawaii, he couldn't do the work! And accordingly at Harvard Law Obama was actually given his diploma and given the Law Review status because he was black and that was "politically correct" for them. I believe that because EVERY OTHER Law Review graduate has been offered Supreme Court Clerk position. Laura Ingraham for instance, worked for Clarence Thomas. But Obama was NOT offered that-- so someone knew that he was a phony who could not do real legal work.

Larry

Alan Baker

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May 25, 2012, 9:53:05 PM5/25/12
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In article <fb4c8daa-41d4-4b7f...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:

> On Friday, May 25, 2012 2:51:15 PM UTC-7, Carbon wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:03 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> >
> > > Mitt Romney:
> > >
> > > After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School
> > > simultaneously
> >
> > JD/MBA program is a combined degree where the law degree is interspersed
> > with less challenging MBA courses. Romney actually did very well,
> > graduating Cum Laude from the Law School. In fact he did almost as well
> > as Obama, who was elected President of the Law Review and graduated
> > Magna Cum Laude at the same university.
>
> You say that, but do we know for sure that his degree was not granted under
> "affirmative action?" Have you seen his transcripts? Have you or anyone
> seen his dessertations? NO. Because they are all "under seal.'

Your theory is that he was granted a magna cum laude due to affirmative
action?

That the University of Chicago hired him as a professor of
constitutional law (and tried for years to get him to join the faculty
full time) for affirmative action?

>
> I suspect that like he wrote about himself at Punehoe in Hawaii, he couldn't
> do the work! And accordingly at Harvard Law Obama was actually given his
> diploma and given the Law Review status because he was black and that was
> "politically correct" for them. I believe that because EVERY OTHER Law
> Review graduate has been offered Supreme Court Clerk position. Laura
> Ingraham for instance, worked for Clarence Thomas. But Obama was NOT offered
> that-- so someone knew that he was a phony who could not do real legal work.

How do you know he wasn't offered it, Larry? Why must you lie?

la...@pivotforpower.com

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May 25, 2012, 10:02:53 PM5/25/12
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Obama was only a part-time lecturer on the Constitution. Not even close to "professor" and just a joke they allowed to talk to the students on an hourly basis.

NO law school graduate would EVER turn down a Supreme Court clerk position. That would be like turning down a lottery ticket. Obama was not offered that because the entire law community knew (and knows) that he was an "affirmative action" graduate and a joke. His speeches have revealed that he has no more than a layman's knowledge of the law. He has repeatedly confused the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

And Obama has no legal license today. He and Michelle have both "voluntarily" given up their law licenses in Illinois. Why?

Larry

Alan Baker

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May 25, 2012, 10:05:48 PM5/25/12
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In article <202819b0-420f-49ca...@googlegroups.com>,
Actually, the University of Chicago says he was a professor.

>
> NO law school graduate would EVER turn down a Supreme Court clerk position.

So you admit that you were lying because of what you assume to be true.

> That would be like turning down a lottery ticket. Obama was not offered that
> because the entire law community knew (and knows) that he was an "affirmative
> action" graduate and a joke. His speeches have revealed that he has no more
> than a layman's knowledge of the law. He has repeatedly confused the
> Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Really? Give an example...

>
> And Obama has no legal license today. He and Michelle have both
> "voluntarily" given up their law licenses in Illinois. Why?

I don't know. But then you don't know anything that supports your use of
'"voluntarily"'...

...so that's just another lie.

:-)

Carbon

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May 25, 2012, 10:41:23 PM5/25/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:49:52 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 25, 2012 2:51:15 PM UTC-7, Carbon wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:03 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>>
>>> Mitt Romney:
>>>
>>> After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School
>>> simultaneously
>>
>> JD/MBA program is a combined degree where the law degree is
>> interspersed with less challenging MBA courses. Romney actually did
>> very well, graduating Cum Laude from the Law School. In fact he did
>> almost as well as Obama, who was elected President of the Law Review
>> and graduated Magna Cum Laude at the same university.
>
> You say that, but do we know for sure that his degree was not granted
> under "affirmative action?"

President of the Law Review, Magna Cum Laude, Harvard Law. Twist it any
way you want. Obama is still smarter than you.

Alan Baker

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May 25, 2012, 10:45:04 PM5/25/12
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In article <pan.2012.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
Talk about damning with faint praise...

;-)

Moderate

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May 26, 2012, 12:12:10 AM5/26/12
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Obama parted out GM and violated bankruptcy law.

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 4:44:58 AM5/26/12
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In article <886678613359697884.64...@news.aioe.org>,
He did?

Got any citations for that?

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 10:38:25 AM5/26/12
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He also gave big pieces of GM to the UAW and shoved the bond holders
aside. Those creditors should have been the first in line. Obama
redefined contract law by fiat. He knows better. He just doesn't
care.

Ken

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/28/uaw-to-get-39-of-gm-obama-administration-50/

William Clark

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May 26, 2012, 1:45:04 PM5/26/12
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In article <alangbaker-F7C51...@news.shawcable.net>,
Never fails with Kenny, does it? Like one of Pavlov's dogs.

William Clark

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May 26, 2012, 1:47:16 PM5/26/12
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In article <alangbaker-05785...@news.shawcable.net>,
Alan, you have to remember that for all his bluster, Larry doesn't have
a college degree, so he is a little lost when it comes to pontificating
on this topic.

Not that that ever stops him, though :-)

William Clark

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May 26, 2012, 1:48:13 PM5/26/12
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In article <MPG.2a29ce5...@news.giganews.com>,
MBA = "Mediocre But Arrogant". No bloody use to anyone.

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 2:29:28 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 12:45 pm, William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:
> In article <alangbaker-F7C516.16580025052...@news.shawcable.net>,
>  Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <1171c3c0-81f8-40cd-8465-0ae44c453...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
ESAD, limey. You don't know me well enough to call me Kenny. That is
for my family and friends. Go back to the UK where you belong. A
socialist like you will fit right in.

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 2:44:00 PM5/26/12
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In article
<ee03be82-ee21-4d03...@d33g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
I love your double standards, Ken! Should William tell you to "prepare
to defend yourself"?

:-)

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 2:57:56 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 12:48 pm, William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:
> In article <MPG.2a29ce51e1a12d5c...@news.giganews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <pan.2012.05.25.21.51...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
> > nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>
> > > On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:03 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>
> > > > Mitt Romney:
>
> > > > After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School
> > > > simultaneously
>
> > > JD/MBA program is a combined degree where the law degree is interspersed
> > > with less challenging MBA courses. Romney actually did very well,
> > > graduating Cum Laude from the Law School. In fact he did almost as well
> > > as Obama, who was elected President of the Law Review and graduated
> > > Magna Cum Laude at the same university.
>
> > Obama's problem is he didn't do the MBA. Obama has no idea how business
> > works.
>
> MBA = "Mediocre But Arrogant". No bloody use to anyone.

You have know clue whatsoever. After 35+ years of work in the
corporate world, the only degree I would want more (with which to
start over) than a Harvard or Wharton MBA is an MD with a specialty.

Hmmm.... PhD from Oxford. I guess I'm impressed. But WTF is Materials
Science? Why not get a real engineering degree?

Ken

http://mse.osu.edu/people/clark.31

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 3:00:32 PM5/26/12
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In article
<e3e5449c-d1a2-4520...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
You truly have no clue.

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 3:04:28 PM5/26/12
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I meant "no clue" of course.

Ken

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 3:09:13 PM5/26/12
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I wonder if Dr Sheikh knows how Clark is using the resources of The
Ohio State University. Everywhere I've worked since I was aware of the
Internet, this kind of activity on company resources would get you
fired.

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 3:15:24 PM5/26/12
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In article
<62aad440-fcca-4d1b...@t23g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
According to Sparky you just stalked William and threatened to get him
fired.

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 3:19:28 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 2:15 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <62aad440-fcca-4d1b-bdc8-f5c2f34a9...@t23g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, or have you forgotten
what you did with Larry?

I'm not going to do anything, dipshit. I'm not like you. I just think
all of us should think twice about how we use the Internet at work. I
read news stories on Yahoo! at lunch - that is the extent of it for
me. Clark should wait until he gets home to post.

Ken

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 3:27:43 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 12:47 pm, William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:
> In article <alangbaker-057853.19054825052...@news.shawcable.net>,
Kind of an arrogant attitude for a college professor, if you ask me. I
thought you were there to help people learn. You don't realize how
fortunate you are to have the position that you do. My brother in law
is a PhD in Civil Engineering. My sister is a PhD in English and an
author. They both retired as professors emeritus. They're libs of
course. But, you could not meet two kinder people who are always on
the ready to help and who are not at all arrogant about their
educations (unlike you).

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 3:30:42 PM5/26/12
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In article
<8d7f8909-e715-4fc7...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
What did I do with Larry, Ken?

>
> I'm not going to do anything, dipshit. I'm not like you. I just think
> all of us should think twice about how we use the Internet at work. I
> read news stories on Yahoo! at lunch - that is the extent of it for
> me. Clark should wait until he gets home to post.

I think you should MYOB, Ken. :-)

Alan Baker

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kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 3:34:03 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 2:30 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <8d7f8909-e715-4fc7-bfe3-ef2ac5527...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Incredible that you would tell anyone to mind their own business. You
are without a doubt the biggest stalker and busy body I have run
across on the Internet. I think you should go jump in the Pacific and
start swimming west. I'll let you know when to stop.

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 3:40:13 PM5/26/12
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In article
<752e56bf-0ea6-459f...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
kenpitts <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > I wonder if Dr Sheikh knows how Clark is using the resources of The
> > > > > Ohio State University. Everywhere I've worked since I was aware of
> > > > > the
> > > > > Internet, this kind of activity on company resources would get you
> > > > > fired.
> >
> > > > > Ken
> >
> > > > According to Sparky you just stalked William and threatened to get him
> > > > fired.
> >
> > > Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, or have you forgotten
> > > what you did with Larry?
> >
> > What did I do with Larry, Ken?

What? Can't answer?

> >
> >
> >
> > > I'm not going to do anything, dipshit. I'm not like you. I just think
> > > all of us should think twice about how we use the Internet at work. I
> > > read news stories on Yahoo! at lunch - that is the extent of it for
> > > me. Clark should wait until he gets home to post.
> >
> > I think you should MYOB, Ken. :-)
> >
> Incredible that you would tell anyone to mind their own business. You
> are without a doubt the biggest stalker and busy body I have run
> across on the Internet. I think you should go jump in the Pacific and
> start swimming west. I'll let you know when to stop.
>
> Ken

I mind my own business, Ken. And when people like you put yourself in
it, I respond. Like when you tried your in private apology for your in
public transgressions, remember? Remember when I asked you to stop
emailing me, then told you what would happen if you didn't?

Remember "prepare to defend yourself" and then the endless whining when
I suggested that I just might?

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 3:47:45 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 2:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <752e56bf-0ea6-459f-8c99-0391b1e2f...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Feel free to defend yourself. I'm always on the ready myself. You're a
real bad-ass, aren't you? I'm sixty years old and I have never started
a fight in my life. But I have finished more than my share. I may make
an exception if I see your stinking ass ever again.

You respond to nearly every post that I make. You are clearly stalking
me. 99% have nothing to do with you. The time for apologies has long
since passed when you started posting private emails. You keep it up
and I will follow up with the phone call to Vancouver Police that they
require for a formal complaint of harassment. Be looking for a
detective at your door. What is your address again?

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 3:53:01 PM5/26/12
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In article
<d74bad7a-9435-42a4...@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
kenpitts <ken....@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 26, 2:40 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <752e56bf-0ea6-459f-8c99-0391b1e2f...@m8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > I wonder if Dr Sheikh knows how Clark is using the resources of
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > Ohio State University. Everywhere I've worked since I was aware
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Internet, this kind of activity on company resources would get
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > fired.
> >
> > > > > > > Ken
> >
> > > > > > According to Sparky you just stalked William and threatened to get
> > > > > > him
> > > > > > fired.
> >
> > > > > Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, or have you forgotten
> > > > > what you did with Larry?
> >
> > > > What did I do with Larry, Ken?
> >
> > What? Can't answer?

Still can't answer?

> > > > > I'm not going to do anything, dipshit. I'm not like you. I just think
> > > > > all of us should think twice about how we use the Internet at work. I
> > > > > read news stories on Yahoo! at lunch - that is the extent of it for
> > > > > me. Clark should wait until he gets home to post.
> >
> > > > I think you should MYOB, Ken. :-)
> >
> > > Incredible that you would tell anyone to mind their own business. You
> > > are without a doubt the biggest stalker and busy body I have run
> > > across on the Internet. I think you should go jump in the Pacific and
> > > start swimming west. I'll let you know when to stop.
> >
> > > Ken
> >
> > I mind my own business, Ken. And when people like you put yourself in
> > it, I respond. Like when you tried your in private apology for your in
> > public transgressions, remember? Remember when I asked you to stop
> > emailing me, then told you what would happen if you didn't?
> >
> > Remember "prepare to defend yourself" and then the endless whining when
> > I suggested that I just might?
> >
> > sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
>
> Feel free to defend yourself. I'm always on the ready myself. You're a
> real bad-ass, aren't you? I'm sixty years old and I have never started
> a fight in my life. But I have finished more than my share. I may make
> an exception if I see your stinking ass ever again.

Way to miss the point:

You threatened me with violence and then when I merely suggested that I
might not just stand there and let you attack me, you whined like a
little girl about how mean I was...

...just like now.

:-)

>
> You respond to nearly every post that I make. You are clearly stalking
> me. 99% have nothing to do with you. The time for apologies has long
> since passed when you started posting private emails. You keep it up

No, Ken. The posting of private emails came about because you tried to
weasel an apology in private that you owed me where the transgression
had been made (here in RSG) and then you wouldn't stop emailing despite
being told what the consequences of continuing would be.

> and I will follow up with the phone call to Vancouver Police that they
> require for a formal complaint of harassment. Be looking for a
> detective at your door. What is your address again?

Figure it out yourself, if you're bright enough. Personally, I doubt it.

Replying to you in a public group isn't "harassment", Ken.

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 4:01:03 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 2:53 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <d74bad7a-9435-42a4-97fb-d8d3767f7...@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
From the Vancouver PD Web Page. Keep it up. I have your email address.
They won't need any more than that. And I have a lot of posts from you
that are not exactly kosher. For your sake, I hope you don't have a
record. I've already emailed the appropriate unit. They require a
phone call for a formal complaint. They were very helpful, interested
in your behavior and they are waiting for my call.

Over and out.

Ken

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What is Criminal Harassment?

Criminal harassment refers to threatening conduct that causes an
individual to fear for their safety or the safety of someone they
know. (See Section 264 of the Criminal Code of Canada for a legal
definition of criminal harassment.) Such conduct includes:
• repeatedly following someone from place to place
•repeated unwanted communication, either directly or indirectly
•watching where someone resides, works, carries on business or happens
to be
•engaging in threatening conduct towards an individual or any member
of their family

Criminal harassment is a pattern of threats and actions that can
frighten you and take away your feeling of self-worth. Stalking
destroys your sense of security and personal safety and can lead to
physical harm or even death. The stalker or harasser can be anyone: a
spouse / partner, a person you lived with, someone you dated, a
client, a former employee, a co-worker, a fellow student, a peer or a
total stranger.

It is usually women who are stalked, but children, adolescents and men
are also victims of criminal harassment.

You may be dealing with criminal harassment if you feel that:
•your emotional or physical safety is being threatened
•you can't do what you want or go where you want
•you've changed your lifestyle to avoid this person

You may be dealing with criminal harassment if you are concerned,
worried or afraid because someone is:
• threatening you, your children, grandchildren, family or friends
•following you, your children, grandchildren, family or friends
•waiting and watching or tracking you, your children, grandchildren or
others close to you
•threatening or damaging your property or pets
•calling you repeatedly, hanging up or not speaking when you answer
•calling your children, grandchildren, family, friends or co-workers
and asking about you
•sending you things you don't want

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 4:04:38 PM5/26/12
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In article
<a68247aa-2423-42a0...@x10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Sure.

>
> Over and out.
>
> Ken
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> What is Criminal Harassment?
>
> Criminal harassment refers to threatening conduct that causes an
> individual to fear for their safety or the safety of someone they
> know. (See Section 264 of the Criminal Code of Canada for a legal
> definition of criminal harassment.) Such conduct includes:
> € repeatedly following someone from place to place

Which I don't.

> €repeated unwanted communication, either directly or indirectly

Which this cannot be considered. I'm not communicating to you, but to
the entire group.

> €watching where someone resides, works, carries on business or happens
> to be

Which I'm not.

> €engaging in threatening conduct towards an individual or any member
> of their family

Which you have but I haven't.

>
> Criminal harassment is a pattern of threats and actions that can
> frighten you and take away your feeling of self-worth. Stalking
> destroys your sense of security and personal safety and can lead to
> physical harm or even death. The stalker or harasser can be anyone: a
> spouse / partner, a person you lived with, someone you dated, a
> client, a former employee, a co-worker, a fellow student, a peer or a
> total stranger.

Have I destroyed your sense of self-worth, Ken?

>
> It is usually women who are stalked, but children, adolescents and men
> are also victims of criminal harassment.

Well, OK. Here you have a point. You do fit the group most likely to be
harassed.

>
> You may be dealing with criminal harassment if you feel that:
> €your emotional or physical safety is being threatened

Do you?

> €you can't do what you want or go where you want

Can't you?

> €you've changed your lifestyle to avoid this person

Have you?

>
> You may be dealing with criminal harassment if you are concerned,
> worried or afraid because someone is:
> € threatening you, your children, grandchildren, family or friends

Have I?

> €following you, your children, grandchildren, family or friends

Have I?

> €waiting and watching or tracking you, your children, grandchildren or
> others close to you

Have I?

> €threatening or damaging your property or pets

Have I?

> €calling you repeatedly, hanging up or not speaking when you answer

Have I?

> €calling your children, grandchildren, family, friends or co-workers
> and asking about you

Have I?

> €sending you things you don't want

Have I?

William Clark

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May 26, 2012, 4:05:04 PM5/26/12
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In article <alangbaker-55C11...@news.shawcable.net>,
No, I don't have a PhD from Oxford. Get your facts straight.

> > >
> > > > Ken
> > >
> > > >http://mse.osu.edu/people/clark.31
> > >
> > > I meant "no clue" of course.
> > >
> > > Ken

Which points out the value of a unversity education, doesn't it?
> >
> > I wonder if Dr Sheikh knows how Clark is using the resources of The
> > Ohio State University. Everywhere I've worked since I was aware of the
> > Internet, this kind of activity on company resources would get you
> > fired.
> >
> > Ken
>
> According to Sparky you just stalked William and threatened to get him
> fired.

Er, Kenny, who is "Dr. Sheikh"? And I am sure whoever he is he wouldn't
give a toss that I am posting this from home, on my own RoadRunner
network.

Adding stalking to your other problems, now?

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 4:08:11 PM5/26/12
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In article <clark-7A8671....@news.eternal-september.org>,
No, no, no, William!

When Ken does it, it's not stalking!

LOL

William Clark

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May 26, 2012, 4:09:56 PM5/26/12
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No, I'm not arrogant about my education, I'm just protective of
educational standards when some wingnut blowhard tries to con everyone
into thinking he is a university-educated engineer, and then shuts up
like a clam when challenged on it. People work hard to get college
degrees, and that effort should be protected against phonies.

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 4:13:34 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 3:09 pm, William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:
> In article
> <20bb68aa-bdb8-421e-8961-1b031f960...@f7g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
I don't have a degree. I came within a few courses but didn't get it
completed. I freely admit it and I admire people like you who stuck
with it to get the job done. What I don't like is a condescending
attitude about it.

Ken

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 4:08:57 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 3:05 pm, William Clark <cl...@nospammatsceng.ohio-
state.edu> wrote:
> In article <alangbaker-55C113.12152426052...@news.shawcable.net>,
>  Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <62aad440-fcca-4d1b-bdc8-f5c2f34a9...@t23g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>,
What does DPhil represent?

Ken

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 4:23:09 PM5/26/12
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On May 25, 6:19 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:28:36 -0700, kenpitts wrote:
> > On May 25, 4:51 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:03 -0700, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>
> >>> Mitt Romney:
>
> >>> After going to both Harvard Business School and Harvard Law School
> >>> simultaneously
>
> >> JD/MBA program is a combined degree where the law degree is interspersed
> >> with less challenging MBA courses. Romney actually did very well,
> >> graduating Cum Laude from the Law School. In fact he did almost as well
> >> as Obama, who was elected President of the Law Review and graduated
> >> Magna Cum Laude at the same university.
>
> > Had Obama quit smoking weed by then?
>
> I would imagine so. Like the vast majority of people his age, he
> experimented with drugs. Unlike most politicians, he didn't lie about
> it.

His behavior would disqualify him from any kind of security clearance
in the defense industry and the military. I can only imagine what a
clown like Al Franken has done. Another jerk who should not have been
elected dog catcher.

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 4:24:39 PM5/26/12
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In article
<67749bc3-785b-4b1e...@i19g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Why, Ken?

Why would that disqualify him? Why should it?

Do you imagine that there aren't lots of Republican politicians who
smoked pot, Ken?

Why won't you answer these questions?

William Clark

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May 26, 2012, 7:11:48 PM5/26/12
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In article <alangbaker-0F69E...@news.shawcable.net>,
Sorry, silly me. Of course it isn't.

Carbon

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May 26, 2012, 7:18:09 PM5/26/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:19:28 -0700, kenpitts wrote:

> I'm not going to do anything, dipshit. I'm not like you. I just think
> all of us should think twice about how we use the Internet at work.

Personal experience?

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 7:20:21 PM5/26/12
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Yes, I learned the hard way.

Ken

Dene

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May 26, 2012, 11:19:17 PM5/26/12
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On May 26, 1:01 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ken,

Every time you respond to your stalker, he wins.
Every time you ignore him, he loses.

-Greg

kenpitts

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May 26, 2012, 11:23:37 PM5/26/12
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I wonder how he would like it if Vancouver PD took a good hard look at
all of Baker's Internet activities. There are other places where he is
stirring the chili. Otherwise, we would not have this post.

Ken

http://www.mackb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/mac/22109/Alan-Baker-My-Creepy-Internet-Stalker

Alan Baker

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May 26, 2012, 11:40:47 PM5/26/12
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In article
<0177b368-6265-4092...@b21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
You should consider the source, Ken.

Carbon

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May 27, 2012, 9:38:26 AM5/27/12
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On Sat, 26 May 2012 20:23:37 -0700, kenpitts wrote:
> On May 26, 10:19 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On May 26, 1:01 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Every time you respond to your stalker, he wins.
>> Every time you ignore him, he loses.
>
> I wonder how he would like it if Vancouver PD took a good hard look at
> all of Baker's Internet activities. There are other places where he is
> stirring the chili. Otherwise, we would not have this post.
>
> http://www.mackb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/mac/22109/Alan-Baker-My-Creepy-Internet-Stalker

If you called the police they would laugh at you.

kenpitts

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May 27, 2012, 9:41:51 AM5/27/12
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On May 27, 8:38 am, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 May 2012 20:23:37 -0700, kenpitts wrote:
> > On May 26, 10:19 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On May 26, 1:01 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Ken,
>
> >> Every time you respond to your stalker, he wins.
> >> Every time you ignore him, he loses.
>
> > I wonder how he would like it if Vancouver PD took a good hard look at
> > all of Baker's Internet activities. There are other places where he is
> > stirring the chili. Otherwise, we would not have this post.
>
> >http://www.mackb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/mac/22109/Alan-Baker-My-Creepy-In...
>
> If you called the police they would laugh at you.

I've already contacted them by email. They took me seriously. I have
to make a formal complaint by way of a phone call or a personal
appearance. I have not done that yet. Baker has been hounding me since
2004. I may yet make the formal complaint.

Ken

Carbon

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May 27, 2012, 9:45:33 AM5/27/12
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That would be hilarious.

kenpitts

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May 27, 2012, 9:48:41 AM5/27/12
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It would be hilarious if he had to do some time over it. He recently
posted that he "lives for" harassing me.

Ken

BAR

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May 27, 2012, 11:30:40 AM5/27/12
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In article <763f0946-61f2-46a7-8159-
23c45a...@n42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, ken....@gmail.com says...
Let it go Ken. You bring all of this upon yourself.


Carbon

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May 27, 2012, 11:42:36 AM5/27/12
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Do time? Can you possibly be serious? All they'd have to do is type your
name into the google and they'd write you off as the kook that you are.

kenpitts

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May 27, 2012, 11:44:15 AM5/27/12
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On May 27, 10:30 am, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <763f0946-61f2-46a7-8159-
> 23c45aadd...@n42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, ken.p...@gmail.com says...
I can deal with Carbon or Knight. Even Bellomy and Randy Brown. Baker
is a harasser and he does it in other forums besides here.

Ken

Alan Baker

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May 27, 2012, 12:23:47 PM5/27/12
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In article
<01301cd8-2d44-458d...@a13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
Then get on with it, Ken.

Alan Baker

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May 27, 2012, 12:24:02 PM5/27/12
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In article
<763f0946-61f2-46a7...@n42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Really?

Where?

BAR

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May 27, 2012, 12:47:54 PM5/27/12
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In article <24e87c57-0714-4d6a-aa2b-
f70f66...@w19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, ken....@gmail.com says...
Ken you are an adult and you should have the ability to ignore childish
behavior, such as is exhibited by the likes of Alan Baker. The question
is do you need to be sitting on a pity pot all of the time or are you
just a freaking weirdo masochist?

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 27, 2012, 5:10:16 PM5/27/12
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Then go ahead and call them and make a formal complaint. I'm sure
that they have a big laugh over your email anyway. Not one thing will
happen, and if you think so you're wrong.

Either follow up on this empty crap or STFU.

Alan Baker

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May 27, 2012, 7:15:24 PM5/27/12
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In article <mu55s7pg167lop6qc...@4ax.com>,
Thank you.

Horva...@net.net

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May 30, 2012, 5:48:31 PM5/30/12
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On Fri, 25 May 2012 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote this crap:

>What unpaid services has Obama given back to his community and church?

He wrote a book. :)
He's been to all 57 states. :)

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

la...@pivotforpower.com

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May 30, 2012, 7:42:40 PM5/30/12
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I shut him down after he repeatedly telephoned my office here by filing an official complaint with the his telephone and Internet service provider up there. It is at least against their rules to use their facilities to harass others, if not actually against Canadian law. That is how to go after him. A few more such complaints and they will pull his plug.

Larry

Alan Baker

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May 30, 2012, 7:50:52 PM5/30/12
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In article <2184f79b-c38b-4298...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, May 26, 2012 8:23:37 PM UTC-7, kenpitts wrote:
> > On May 26, 10:19 pm, Dene <gdst...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On May 26, 1:01 pm, kenpitts <ken.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > Every time you respond to your stalker, he wins.
> > > Every time you ignore him, he loses.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> >
> > I wonder how he would like it if Vancouver PD took a good hard look at
> > all of Baker's Internet activities. There are other places where he is
> > stirring the chili. Otherwise, we would not have this post.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > http://www.mackb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/mac/22109/Alan-Baker-My-Creepy-Internet-
> > Stalker
>
> I shut him down after he repeatedly telephoned my office here by filing an
> official complaint with the his telephone and Internet service provider up
> there.

Nope. Never happened. You invited me to call, I called. I never heard a
word from my telephone or internet service provider.

But lying about others has never bothered a narcissist such as you, has
it?

:-)

> It is at least against their rules to use their facilities to harass
> others, if not actually against Canadian law. That is how to go after him.
> A few more such complaints and they will pull his plug.

LOL

Bring it on, Larry!

Lloyd

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May 30, 2012, 11:08:49 PM5/30/12
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LOL! You never did any of that.

MNMikeW

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May 31, 2012, 12:56:28 PM5/31/12
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Or perhaps I should just inform the IRS about the possessions you've
bragged about to clear up that tax lien...

Did your mother, Patricia, even know that you had a federal tax lien
hanging over your head when she agreed to put you on the deed to her
home?

Yeah, Baker's not a stalker.

bkn...@conramp.net

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May 31, 2012, 1:15:13 PM5/31/12
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Do you know the above for a fact?

Alan Baker

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May 31, 2012, 1:35:11 PM5/31/12
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In article <a2pm5f...@mid.individual.net>,
Tell me: did you look at anything beyond what I said?

MNMikeW

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May 31, 2012, 2:26:16 PM5/31/12
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Those are Bakers words, ask him.

Alan Baker

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May 31, 2012, 2:28:45 PM5/31/12
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In article <a2prdr...@mid.individual.net>,
They are my words; freely admitted.

Did you bother to look up any of the words of the person to whom I
directed those comments?

Thought not.
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