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The MOST IMPORTANT THING in the golf swing
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la...@pivotforpower.com
Apr 15, 2013, 6:37:04 PM4/15/13
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According to Gary Player, it is the weight shift. I find his arguments credible. His fantastic career, a little guy competing against the world's best, had to find a way to hit it as far and straight as Nicklaus and Palmer, et. al. He did that by getting himself in gymnast fit condition and then developing a better golf swing. He won 30 tournaments in America, 9 majors, and "countless" tournaments around the world, places where our best didn't bother to travel and compete with Player and others. If he had lived in the US instead of in Africa, VERY LIKELY he would have more majors than Nicklaus. He was a no-show at dozens of major tournaments he was eligible to enter.
When he found himself lagging back and losing distance, he cured that by over-compensating. He LAUNCHED himself after turning back and shifted through impact so aggressively that he had to take a step, "walking over" to maintain balance. And he says today that many amateurs would benefit from this, just do whatever it takes to stop lagging back and swinging on their back foot.
I love his "strike a match" short game swing advice. Instead of decelerating, he suggests we accelerate the clubhead through all shots, even chips and sand shots. Strike a match! It works.
There is no conflict between Hogan's "most important thing" and Player's. Hogan said it is the sequence, hips leading shoulders. Player says it is the weight shift. Well duh, those are the same thing! If you turn your hips toward the target before you swing, you MUST shift your weight onto your front leg. You can't pivot around your back leg.
So we should be working on sequence. Turn, Shift, swing. If you turn and swing without shifting as at least 90% of amateurs do and if you have been doing that for years, the fix is going to be difficult and prolonged. It may take months because this is THE MOST PROFOUND swing change possible. You will need to completely erase your urge to swing as soon as you finish your backswing-- and replace that with different timing, a conscious shift of weight and turn of hips toward the target BEFORE your shoulders start.
Most of us will need to "separate" our hips from our shoulders and some of us will need to do specific stretches before we can do it. I have my PT force my upraised knees down to either side while holding my opposite shoulder down flat. I hold something like my car bumper or a golf cart to stabilize my shoulders while I turn my hips as far as I can, hold, and do it again.
Most teachers say the ONLY effective way to change our swing this profoundly is to retrain our subconscious mind. And that can be done ONLY with slow motion repetitions, just as Harvey Penick taught. You should get it absolutely right with lessons or a mirror and photos, then hit balls only a few yards while exaggerating the sequence. Eventually it will be the way you swing.
But if you can separate even a little, wait that extra beat before you swing, you will hit it MUCH further and straighter! The reward will be dramatic and fun!
Larry
When he found himself lagging back and losing distance, he cured that by over-compensating. He LAUNCHED himself after turning back and shifted through impact so aggressively that he had to take a step, "walking over" to maintain balance. And he says today that many amateurs would benefit from this, just do whatever it takes to stop lagging back and swinging on their back foot.
I love his "strike a match" short game swing advice. Instead of decelerating, he suggests we accelerate the clubhead through all shots, even chips and sand shots. Strike a match! It works.
There is no conflict between Hogan's "most important thing" and Player's. Hogan said it is the sequence, hips leading shoulders. Player says it is the weight shift. Well duh, those are the same thing! If you turn your hips toward the target before you swing, you MUST shift your weight onto your front leg. You can't pivot around your back leg.
So we should be working on sequence. Turn, Shift, swing. If you turn and swing without shifting as at least 90% of amateurs do and if you have been doing that for years, the fix is going to be difficult and prolonged. It may take months because this is THE MOST PROFOUND swing change possible. You will need to completely erase your urge to swing as soon as you finish your backswing-- and replace that with different timing, a conscious shift of weight and turn of hips toward the target BEFORE your shoulders start.
Most of us will need to "separate" our hips from our shoulders and some of us will need to do specific stretches before we can do it. I have my PT force my upraised knees down to either side while holding my opposite shoulder down flat. I hold something like my car bumper or a golf cart to stabilize my shoulders while I turn my hips as far as I can, hold, and do it again.
Most teachers say the ONLY effective way to change our swing this profoundly is to retrain our subconscious mind. And that can be done ONLY with slow motion repetitions, just as Harvey Penick taught. You should get it absolutely right with lessons or a mirror and photos, then hit balls only a few yards while exaggerating the sequence. Eventually it will be the way you swing.
But if you can separate even a little, wait that extra beat before you swing, you will hit it MUCH further and straighter! The reward will be dramatic and fun!
Larry
Alan Baker
Apr 15, 2013, 6:40:46 PM4/15/13
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In article <0b719503-779a-4abe...@googlegroups.com>,
Why all these new steps to achieve a proper shift, Larry?
Didn't you tell us recently that just achieving a proper top position
makes the proper downswing happen automatically?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Didn't you tell us recently that just achieving a proper top position
makes the proper downswing happen automatically?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
jay birdsong
Apr 15, 2013, 7:14:58 PM4/15/13
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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Well? You shoot your big mouth off about everything else except that.
Why?
la...@pivotforpower.com
Apr 15, 2013, 7:52:47 PM4/15/13
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Larry
Alan Baker
Apr 15, 2013, 8:53:19 PM4/15/13
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In article <8adfc683-33de-4eca...@googlegroups.com>,
This was you not replying to me, was it?
Tell me, "winner":
How many times have you claimed you succeeded in developing the skills
necessary to hit "all the fairways"?
Did you or did you not recently tell us that all you need to do to make
a correct downswing is to reach the correct top position?
Have you not in the past insisted that good young golfers were
abandoning all this "transition" nonsense in favour of playing the ball
far back in the stance?
:-)
Tell me, "winner":
How many times have you claimed you succeeded in developing the skills
necessary to hit "all the fairways"?
Did you or did you not recently tell us that all you need to do to make
a correct downswing is to reach the correct top position?
Have you not in the past insisted that good young golfers were
abandoning all this "transition" nonsense in favour of playing the ball
far back in the stance?
:-)
jay birdsong
Apr 15, 2013, 9:09:32 PM4/15/13
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
Alan Baker
Apr 15, 2013, 9:19:26 PM4/15/13
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In article <0b719503-779a-4abe...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> According to Gary Player, it is the weight shift.
"I guess that comes from that silly SLAP crap that advocates a lateral
move forward during the downswing-- Model Golf actually suggests we play
the ball way up there in order to encourage a "transition" move-- the
lateral slide during the final part of the
upswing. Total BS."
"And suddenly SLAP, which I had found essentially impossible when I was
trying to exert off-hand control, because "natural" to me. Suddenly
with my lefty in charge, I could put myself in those static
positions, establish that top "trigger" position like a baseball
batter, that triggers a natural transition. I could nail it out of
sight, turning it right or left with long irons at will. "
la...@pivotforpower.com
Apr 15, 2013, 9:43:51 PM4/15/13
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On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, jay birdsong wrote:
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
>
> news:alangbaker-CF322...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
>
> news:alangbaker-CF322...@news.shawcable.net...
> >
> My goodness. You sound like a hysterical bitch on the rag, Alwin.
And of course nobody replies to his posts. We all know he is a nutcase, just so full of hatred that he is almost dangerous. Whew! Why doesn't he just go away??? He has GOT to realize that he has been rejected by the normal people in every discussion forum. We see his posts and eventually we understand that this guy is a sicko. He knows we know what he is, yet he continues to post. Amazing, right? Obviously he has absolutely nothing else to do with his time. I doubt he can read well enough to understand books.
Larry
Alan Baker
Apr 15, 2013, 9:51:11 PM4/15/13
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In article <1120ad92-9ea7-4815...@googlegroups.com>,
> We all know he is a nutcase, just
> so full of hatred that he is almost dangerous. Whew! Why doesn't he just go
> away??? He has GOT to realize that he has been rejected by the normal people
> in every discussion forum. We see his posts and eventually we understand
> that this guy is a sicko. He knows we know what he is, yet he continues to
> post. Amazing, right? Obviously he has absolutely nothing else to do with
> his time. I doubt he can read well enough to understand books.
LOL
I love the fact that you're holding a civil conversation with an obvious
troll...
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, jay birdsong wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> >
> > news:alangbaker-CF322...@news.shawcable.net...
> > >
> > My goodness. You sound like a hysterical bitch on the rag, Alwin.
>
> And of course nobody replies to his posts.
You reply to my posts...
> On Monday, April 15, 2013 6:09:32 PM UTC-7, jay birdsong wrote:
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> >
> > news:alangbaker-CF322...@news.shawcable.net...
> > >
> > My goodness. You sound like a hysterical bitch on the rag, Alwin.
>
> And of course nobody replies to his posts.
> We all know he is a nutcase, just
> so full of hatred that he is almost dangerous. Whew! Why doesn't he just go
> away??? He has GOT to realize that he has been rejected by the normal people
> in every discussion forum. We see his posts and eventually we understand
> that this guy is a sicko. He knows we know what he is, yet he continues to
> post. Amazing, right? Obviously he has absolutely nothing else to do with
> his time. I doubt he can read well enough to understand books.
I love the fact that you're holding a civil conversation with an obvious
troll...
KenPitts
Apr 15, 2013, 10:13:29 PM4/15/13
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ken
Alan Baker
Apr 15, 2013, 10:23:34 PM4/15/13
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In article <2627b03d-c4f0-441c...@googlegroups.com>,
Really? Where did I admit that, Ken?
I enjoy argument, I agree. But "provoking" arguments... ...you'll have
to show some support for that one.
I enjoy argument, I agree. But "provoking" arguments... ...you'll have
to show some support for that one.
jay birdsong
Apr 16, 2013, 6:37:28 PM4/16/13
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Alan Baker
Apr 16, 2013, 6:47:55 PM4/16/13
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la...@pivotforpower.com
Apr 16, 2013, 8:38:28 PM4/16/13
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The bad news for us is that he purposely disrupts and provokes anger for his own entertainment. He ruins meaningful discussion. Accordingly, Alan Baker is among the most hated posters in any forum anywhere. Forums with moderators have all banned him.
Larry
Alan Baker
Apr 16, 2013, 8:44:38 PM4/16/13
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In article <9d0323f4-b6db-4a78...@googlegroups.com>,
I'll be sure to mention that to my Tuesday night hockey crew when we're
having a beer afterwards. Maybe I should also tell it to the folks I
race cars with.
:-)
>
>
> The bad news for us is that he purposely disrupts and provokes anger for his
> own entertainment. He ruins meaningful discussion. Accordingly, Alan Baker
> is among the most hated posters in any forum anywhere. Forums with
> moderators have all banned him.
I love that you're a liar.
I don't ruin meaningful discussions, Larry. You've never had a
"discussion" to ruin. You have monologues designed to show how much
cleverer you are than everyone else about... ...well, anything you talk
about.
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> > Larry, I think he is reasonably intelligent, but just devious and twisted.
> > He has even admitted that he enjoys provoking arguments.
> >
> >
> >
> > ken
>
> So we should studiously avoid rising to his bait. We all know this is his
> occupation, what he does day and night. Posting on the Internet is his life.
LOL
> > Larry, I think he is reasonably intelligent, but just devious and twisted.
> > He has even admitted that he enjoys provoking arguments.
> >
> >
> >
> > ken
>
> So we should studiously avoid rising to his bait. We all know this is his
> occupation, what he does day and night. Posting on the Internet is his life.
I'll be sure to mention that to my Tuesday night hockey crew when we're
having a beer afterwards. Maybe I should also tell it to the folks I
race cars with.
:-)
>
>
> The bad news for us is that he purposely disrupts and provokes anger for his
> own entertainment. He ruins meaningful discussion. Accordingly, Alan Baker
> is among the most hated posters in any forum anywhere. Forums with
> moderators have all banned him.
I don't ruin meaningful discussions, Larry. You've never had a
"discussion" to ruin. You have monologues designed to show how much
cleverer you are than everyone else about... ...well, anything you talk
about.
Alan Baker
Apr 16, 2013, 9:00:44 PM4/16/13
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In article <9d0323f4-b6db-4a78...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> The bad news for us is that he purposely disrupts and provokes anger for his
> own entertainment. He ruins meaningful discussion. Accordingly, Alan Baker
> is among the most hated posters in any forum anywhere. Forums with
> moderators have all banned him.
<http://golfrewound.com/forums/members/larryrsf.html>
> own entertainment. He ruins meaningful discussion. Accordingly, Alan Baker
> is among the most hated posters in any forum anywhere. Forums with
> moderators have all banned him.
<http://forums.thecutline.com/member.php?u=868>
<http://forums.golfreview.com/showthread.php?14394-Larryrsf>
<http://www.sporttaco.com/rec.sport.golf/Slicing_my_4_iron_3845.html>
JohnO
Apr 18, 2013, 5:25:35 PM4/18/13
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On Apr 16, 10:37 am, "la...@pivotforpower.com"
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Larry
I thought it was "lines".
Oh, that's SO last week!
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Larry
I thought it was "lines".
Oh, that's SO last week!
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