Lois Lerner to take the 5th

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

Instead of telling the truth to Congress.

Of course everyone who hears her will assume she is guilty and knows where the bodies are buried, so to speak.

I hope Issa charges her with Obstruction of Justice.

She hopes and expects Obama to pardon her if she is convicted. Something like Bush did for Scooter Libby. But there is a vast difference. Scooter was completely innocent. Lerner is a long-time sold out Koolaid drinking liberal democrat, willing to commit felonies for Obama.

WHEN he throws her under the proverbial bus, that will be a wakeup call for all the others in IRS and EPA and elsewhere. There will be more whistle-blowers than Congressional committees can hear!

Larry

[BobM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXoQqp-Mis


.

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

I shot 78 last weekend, playing strict USGA tournament rules. One ball around 18 holes and never touched it except on the tee boxes. I hit fairways and greens. So this stuff works!

And Lois Lerner's life is basically over. She lied to Congress under oath previously and now doesn't want to be forced to lie again to cover those lies. "Oh, what a tangled web we weave...."

Larry

[Hollis2]

You can't be cited for obstruction for pleading the 5th. In any case, so
much for the idea that what was happening at the IRS wasn't a crime.

[Moderate]

"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> Wrote in message:

> Instead of telling the truth to Congress.
>
> Of course everyone who hears her will assume she is guilty and knows where the bodies are buried, so to speak.

Why did Obama ask for the resignation of the Acting IRS chief and
then promote Lois Lerner to head the Obamacare
division of the
IRS?

This reeks of fraud.
--

[Horva...@net.net]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 04:36:51 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
<no_spam@no_mail.com> wrote this crap:

>"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> Wrote in message:
>> Instead of telling the truth to Congress.
>>
>> Of course everyone who hears her will assume she is guilty and knows
> where the bodies are buried, so to speak.
>
>Why did Obama ask for the resignation of the Acting IRS chief and

> then promote Lois Lerner to head the Obamacaredivision of the

> IRS?
>
>This reeks of fraud.

It reeks of Chicago politics. You screw up, you get promoted. You do
the right thing, you get tagged a whistleblower and get fired.


This signature is now the ultimate
power in the universe

[MNMikeW]

Yes, pathetic. I love how the lapdog media is trying desperately to spin
this away. Carneys daily spin sessions are getting comical. This goes
all the way to the top. You'd have to be a complete fucking idiot not to
think that.

[MNMikeW]

The "low-level employees" meme is falling apart as well. Thug assholes.

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

Trey Goudy (sp?) Congressman from S.C. and former prosecutor said it was outrageous to allow her to make a self-serving opening statement and then refuse to testify. She started testifying and should have been compelled to continue.

But Issa hinted that she might get some sort of immunity to avoid prosecution in return for NOT being prosecuted for the felony of lying to Congress in sworn testimony in prior hearings. WOW! She might be discussing a deal wherein she tells everything she knows to save herself, realizing that Obama would CERTAINLY throw her under the bus to save himself.

So this would be the beginning of the rats jumping off the sinking ship! Just like in Watergate and every other past scandal, the truth comes out eventually. Obama and team are TOAST! They blatantly used the IRS as a weapon to win the recent election. And IRS and other government employees did what they thought Obama would want, thinking that if anything happened, they would have the full protection of the PUTUS. Ain't gonna happen! That coward will deny ever knowing them! But they made the DNC and Democrats in general almost unelectable for a generation. People know who did this and the reason-- and won't put them back in office!

Larry

[Alan Baker]

In article <1e3e1ca0-f7d1-44fe...@googlegroups.com>,

"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:25:40 PM UTC-7, BobM wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXoQqp-Mis
>

> I shot 78 last weekend, playing strict USGA tournament rules. One ball
> around 18 holes and never touched it except on the tee boxes. I hit fairways
> and greens. So this stuff works!

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

And you made that self-same kind of claim about 2 weeks after you'd
taken up the game. What do you call "crying wolf" in reverse, anyway?

<https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/search?group=rec.sport.go
lf&q=%22all+the+fairways%22&qt_g=Search+this+group>

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

It is AMERICAN politics, Alan. Have the decency to BUTT OUT!

Larry

[BAR]

In article <b043fo...@mid.individual.net>, mnmi...@aol.com says...

It is strange that the newsgroup liberalatti fell under the spell of and kept pushing the
low-level employees story and the righties knew from the beginning that it was a top-down
issue. At best you can say that Bobbie and his liberal buddies are gullible.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

I've said that if there are those that did this should be held
responsible. "Top down" is the operative term. I don't believe that
it goes to the very top, and you're hoping that it does.

[Moderate]

bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:37:21 -0400, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <b043fo...@mid.individual.net>, mnmi...@aol.com says...

You have made that perfectly clear. You are an apologist.
--

[MNMikeW]

So Bobby, question, in 2012 who exactly would stand to benefit from the
IRS holding up fund raising for right leaning groups. During an election
year?

[bkn...@conramp.net]

You have made perfectly clear that you are lower than a slug.

[BAR]

In article <9fbqp8ll50kve77cv...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...

You were bleating on about it was just some low-level people in a field office. You screwed
the pooch Bobbie.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

In my opinion, the American people. :-)

Seriously, it could well be that there were people who did this
politically, but that could include anyone in the IRS, the Treasury
Department or up the ladder. To automatically imply that the POTUS
gave that specific order is so far removed from the probability that
it's insane. Highly improbable.

Incidentally, Lerner, who is really getting heat was in her position
in 2006. Four years before this began, and during the Bush years.
After 30+ years in government work it's hard to think that she thought
this up.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

When this was first announced that was what was reported, and you said
nothing different until later, when other reports came out. Where was
your ESP then?

The pooch is our POTUS, and to date he isn't screwed.

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

Better check out Lerner's background. She made some OUTRAGEOUSLY PARTISAN decisions when she worked for the Federal Election Commission. She believes in Democratic wins regardless of what it takes.

She needs to think about this while in prison.

Larry

[Carbon]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:34 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>
>> I've said that if there are those that did this should be held
>> responsible. "Top down" is the operative term. I don't believe that
>> it goes to the very top, and you're hoping that it does.
>
> So Bobby, question, in 2012 who exactly would stand to benefit from the
> IRS holding up fund raising for right leaning groups. During an election
> year?

Be sure to let us know if you ever find proof of wrongdoing by the Obama
administration.

[Carbon]

It does? In what way?

[BAR]

In article <a5eqp8lnoijl0f01s...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...

Why was Obama meeting with the IRS union back in 2009?

[BAR]

In article <i2fqp8ls5daon62c4...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...

I an not as gullible as you to believe that "auditing" right leaning political organizaitons
was a compartmentalized activity conducted by some low-level staffers in a remote office. As
soon as the low-level people in a field office was pushed upon the gullible it sent red flags
up with me immediately.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Why are you an uneducated fool? Some things are unanswerable.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Did you eat paint chips when you were a kid?

[Alan Baker]

In article <68850b10-4f9f-49ab...@googlegroups.com>,

"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:13:56 AM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <1e3e1ca0-f7d1-44fe...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > "la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:25:40 PM UTC-7, BobM wrote:
> >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXoQqp-Mis
> >

> > > I shot 78 last weekend, playing strict USGA tournament rules. One ball
> > > around 18 holes and never touched it except on the tee boxes. I hit
> > > fairways and greens. So this stuff works!
> >
> >
> >
> > Riiiiiiiiiiight.
> >
> >
> >
> > And you made that self-same kind of claim about 2 weeks after you'd
> >
> > taken up the game. What do you call "crying wolf" in reverse, anyway?
> >
> >
> >
> > <https://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.golf/search?group=rec.sport.go
> >
> > lf&q=%22all+the+fairways%22&qt_g=Search+this+group>
> >
>

> It is AMERICAN politics, Alan. Have the decency to BUTT OUT!
>
> Larry

Like you had the decency to "BUTT OUT" of a thread between David and
Scott?

And perhaps you didn't notice (because... ...really... ...when have you
ever really paid any attention to anything but YOU, Larry?), but YOU
replied to a post that had shifted the topic to golf, and I responded
about THAT.

But what's a little thing like the truth to you, huh?

:-)

[Moderate]

bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:34 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>bkn...@conramp.net wrote:

It is not insane, based on the cover uo and lies that have already
been uncovered..
--

[KenPitts]

I just watched the video. She refuses to answer any questions the committee has, even related to her opening statement in which she said that she is completely without fault related to these matters. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Ken

[BAR]

In article <pan.2013.05...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>, nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com
says...

They just admitted summarily executing US citizens without the benefit of a trial by their
jury of their peers.

[KenPitts]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:03:19 PM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
> They just admitted summarily executing US citizens without the benefit of a trial by their
>
> jury of their peers.

Obama and company could do anything and carbon would spin it.

Ken

[Dene]

Conversely....please let us know when you find fault with the Obama
administration.

-Greg

[Moderate]

Dene <gds...@aol.com> Wrote in message:

> On May 22, 4:39 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:34 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:

Haha. He is too busy carrying their water. He is the coward who
ranted about torture yet silently approves of drone
killings.
--

[Carbon]

I do not like these drone strikes. I don't have proof, but I suspect the
Obama administration is continuing with the systematic surveillance
program started by the previous administration.

Mostly I react to the bug-eyed non-fact rants from the resident loons, in
which they are mysteriously certain that Obama was born in Kenya, that AGW
is a giant con, etc. You don't normally see that level of crazy from the
far left, at least not here.

[Moderate]

Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:

> On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:27:42 -0700, Dene wrote:
>> On May 22, 4:39 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

You give Obama a pass and blame everyone else regardless of
culpability.

What a self serving douche move.
--

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Talk about self serving. You just decide culpability, and it's always
the other political movement's.

You're what's in a douche bag.

[MNMikeW]

Far removed? Are you nuts? Or are you insinuating that Obama really
doesn't know shit as to what goes on in his administration.

>
> Incidentally, Lerner, who is really getting heat was in her position
> in 2006. Four years before this began, and during the Bush years.
> After 30+ years in government work it's hard to think that she thought
> this up.
>

Like I said, there is a reason she pled the 5th. Shes protecting someone.

[MNMikeW]

Lerner and Miller were also regular guests according to the visitor logs
during IRS scrutiny. Just another coincidence I suppose.

[MNMikeW]

She'll be baaaaaak.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/darrell-issa-irs-lois-lerner-91755.html?hp=t3_3

[MNMikeW]

LOL!

[MNMikeW]

You don't see it because you are one of them.

[MNMikeW]

The Dems certainly are in 2014.

[MNMikeW]

You must have not to realize this went far beyond Cincinnati.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

I'm not insinuating anything, I'm saying absolutely that no POTUS is
aware of everything happening in government at all times.

>>
>> Incidentally, Lerner, who is really getting heat was in her position
>> in 2006. Four years before this began, and during the Bush years.
>> After 30+ years in government work it's hard to think that she thought
>> this up.
>>
>Like I said, there is a reason she pled the 5th. Shes protecting someone.

I don't know, it may have nothing to do with this situation but
another from earlier appearances before Congress.

Oh, you don't know either.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

That only proves that they were at the White House. Of course the
stretch you're looking for just may not be there at all.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Denmark is a state? :-)

[bkn...@conramp.net]

That could be said of you with the far-right loons Mike. Neither
statement is worthwhile.

[Moderate]

bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:

> On Thu, 23 May 2013 08:31:40 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
> <no_spam@no_mail.com> wrote:
>
>>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:

No Bobbie, that is what the legacy Carbon just did. Please provide
an example of me doing that.
--

[Moderate]

bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:

> On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:41:49 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>BAR wrote:
>>> In article <a5eqp8lnoijl0f01s...@4ax.com>, bkn...@conramp.net says...

You backed off your, 'insane' comment pretty quickly.
--

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Could be, but I really doubt it. Most of this is going to blow over
and the Republican party is in shreds. Now, if they use their heads,
get rid of the Tea Party nutbags and run someone for POTUS that the
general population can identify with, a much better chance. Chris
Christie for instance.

[Horva...@net.net]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:40:13 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote

this crap:

>Far removed? Are you nuts? Or are you insinuating that Obama really
>doesn't know shit as to what goes on in his administration.
>>
>> Incidentally, Lerner, who is really getting heat was in her position
>> in 2006. Four years before this began, and during the Bush years.
>> After 30+ years in government work it's hard to think that she thought
>> this up.
>>
>Like I said, there is a reason she pled the 5th. Shes protecting someone.

She's protecting herself. But how can someone take the stand and make
a statement saying they've done nothing wrong, then plead the fifth?
When you plead the fifth you've already admitted that you've broken
the law. Do these people take crazy pills?

Let's see how far Carbon shoves his nose in obama's crack to explain
this.



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[bkn...@conramp.net]

You must not have read what I said above.

[Lloyd]

In article <b06o9r...@mid.individual.net>,

Interesting article, too bad Issa is wrong. You can always invoke your
5th amendment rights at any point, UNLESS they give her immunity.

Just like with Oliver North.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:55:32 -0500 (CDT), Moderate

<no_spam@no_mail.com> wrote:

>bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 08:31:40 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>> <no_spam@no_mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>
>No Bobbie, that is what the legacy Carbon just did. Please provide
> an example of me doing that.

I have no idea to what you refer since you deleted what you're talking
about.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

[bkn...@conramp.net]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:58:55 -0400, Horva...@net.net wrote:

>On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:40:13 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote
>this crap:
>
>>Far removed? Are you nuts? Or are you insinuating that Obama really
>>doesn't know shit as to what goes on in his administration.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, Lerner, who is really getting heat was in her position
>>> in 2006. Four years before this began, and during the Bush years.
>>> After 30+ years in government work it's hard to think that she thought
>>> this up.
>>>
>>Like I said, there is a reason she pled the 5th. Shes protecting someone.
>
>She's protecting herself. But how can someone take the stand and make
>a statement saying they've done nothing wrong, then plead the fifth?
>When you plead the fifth you've already admitted that you've broken
>the law. Do these people take crazy pills?

You're wrong. They haven't admitted anything.
Check with a lawyer and he'll tell you why innocent people take the
fifth.

People do strange things. Some claim to have a college degree but are
ashamed to say where they went to school. I guess using your thinking
above, they're lying.

[MNMikeW]

Well, she will be back on the stand. And the emails will be released
eventually. Of course they are stonewalling on that in typical Obama
"the most transparent administration evahhh" fashion.

[MNMikeW]

She basically waived her 5th amendment rights by giving an opening
statement.

[MNMikeW]

Shulman was there 118 times during that timeframe.

[MNMikeW]

Must be one of the 57 Obama visited.

[MNMikeW]

No more RINO's. The Christies and Romney's are what's wrong with the
Republican party.

[Lloyd]

In article <b06qpnF...@mid.individual.net>,

Well, that is the party line anyway. But no, she hasn't.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Wouldn't an "I think" or "maybe" fit better here, or did you get your
information from tarot cards? LOL

[bkn...@conramp.net]

The extreme right is what's wrong with the Republican party and
they'll never get anyone elected from that area.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

The far right grabs on to anything that is said which puts their
"enemies" in a bad position.

[MNMikeW]

I use the same tarot cards you do Karnac.

[MNMikeW]

So, you think the administration is in a good position over this? LOL!!!

[MNMikeW]

Never? What were you JUST saying to me about tarot cards Mr. hypocrite?

[bkn...@conramp.net]

LOL.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Your making the statement about waiving her 5th amendment rights is
another of your definite ones. You have no idea if that is true, but
you latched on to it immediately.

Incidentally, you do remember that she was appointed to this position
during the Bush administration in 2006 don't you? I guess you think
she was a mole placed by the Obama for president people just for this
purpose because they knew he was going to be elected. More intrigue?
I hear the Twilight Zone theme in the background.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

They never have. What's hypocritical about history?

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:33:13 PM UTC-7, KenPitts wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:25:14 PM UTC-5, Moderate wrote:
>
> > bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:
>
> >
>

> > > On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:34 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >>bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>

> > It is not insane, based on the cover uo and lies that have already
>
> >
>
> > been uncovered..
>
> >
>
> > --
>
>
>
> I just watched the video. She refuses to answer any questions the committee has, even related to her opening statement in which she said that she is completely without fault related to these matters. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
>
>
>
> Ken

The lawyers quickly educated Issa (a very successful businessman) after that hearing and he has announced that she will be compelled to return and testify. If she clams up, she will leave that hearing in handcuffs, charged with contempt of Congress, a felony.

Larry

[Don Kirkman]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:55:32 -0500 (CDT), Moderate

<no_spam@no_mail.com> wrote:

>bkn...@conramp.net Wrote in message:
>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 08:31:40 -0500 (CDT), Moderate
>> <no_spam@no_mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>
>No Bobbie, that is what the legacy Carbon just did. Please provide
> an example of me doing that.

It would be nice to know what Carbon and Bobby wrote without tracking
backwards through dozens of old messages. Do you have a reason for
deleting the text of the messages you're answering? It seems to have
become a habit lately. Transparency, you know.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

[Dene]

On May 23, 5:21 am, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:27:42 -0700, Dene wrote:
> > On May 22, 4:39 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> >> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:34 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> >>> bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> >>>> I've said that if there are those that did this should be held
> >>>> responsible.  "Top down" is the operative term.  I don't believe that
> >>>> it goes to the very top, and you're hoping that it does.
>

> >>> So Bobby, question, in 2012 who exactly would stand to benefit from the
> >>> IRS holding up fund raising for right leaning groups. During an election
> >>> year?
>

> >> Be sure to let us know if you ever find proof of wrongdoing by the Obama
> >> administration.
>
> > Conversely....please let us know when you find fault with the Obama
> > administration.
>
> I do not like these drone strikes. I don't have proof, but I suspect the
> Obama administration is continuing with the systematic surveillance
> program started by the previous administration.
>
> Mostly I react to the bug-eyed non-fact rants from the resident loons, in
> which they are mysteriously certain that Obama was born in Kenya, that AGW
> is a giant con, etc. You don't normally see that level of crazy from the
> far left, at least not here.

So you are not concerned about the three scandals he's facing right
now? I am...especially Benghazi.

-Greg

[la...@pivotforpower.com]

One thing for sure, the Obama administration is being revealed to be the most secretive and contemptuous of the people's rights EVER, far worse than Nixon.

When nearly all congressional Democrats are clamoring against actions of the Obama regime, you know there is something to fear. These Chicago thugs are out of control. I suspect the root is Valerie Jarrett and other BLACK MILITANTS in the White House who are in control of Obama. Their arrogance and disdain for rules is limitless. And they will bring him down.

Larry

[Lloyd]

In article <mqesp8dbo4ksgn2qh...@4ax.com>,

To be fair, this bunch is making it way too easy don't you think? :)

[MNMikeW]

She could still have an out. The lawyers will have to battle it out.

[MNMikeW]

Actually it was Issa's idea. We shall see if it sticks. If this were a
court room it would. Here it's up in the air.

>
> Incidentally, you do remember that she was appointed to this position
> during the Bush administration in 2006 don't you? I guess you think
> she was a mole placed by the Obama for president people just for this
> purpose because they knew he was going to be elected. More intrigue?
> I hear the Twilight Zone theme in the background.
>

Who cares who appointed her? You think Bush was incapable of appointing
liberals? Didn't Bush also carry over some of Clintons appointments?
Yes, you can try to spin this as a Bush thing, like most other liberals.
Good luck with that.

[MNMikeW]

No he won't. He will wave his arms in the air yelling b-b-b-bUsh and
then curl up in the fetal position.

[MNMikeW]

Obama is a Dem. Of course he's not concerned.

[MNMikeW]

So, what you are saying is no Tea Party candidates will be or have been
elected. Is that right?

[bkn...@conramp.net]

No spin intended, just fact.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

No Mike, that's not what I said. I said nutbags, Tea Party or
otherwise.

[MNMikeW]

They seem to elect far-left nutbags pretty regularly.

[bkn...@conramp.net]

Far left to you is right-center to reasonable people.

[KenPitts]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:21:12 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:

> So you are not concerned about the three scandals he's facing right
>
> now? I am...especially Benghazi.
>
>
>
> -Greg

Obama and Hillary could do anything in the world and carbon would be spinning it.

Ken

[KenPitts]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:53:25 AM UTC-5, bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>
> Denmark is a state? :-)

William Shakespeare on line one.

Ken

[Don Kirkman]

I doubt a court was take exception to her using the 5th. Issa, OTH,
make his pre-political money in the auto accessory field.And now he's
the richest man in the House.

Try a Google of "issa car accessories?". I learned a lot I never even
suspected, let alone believed.
--
Don Kirkman
don...@charter.net

[John B.]

> don...@charter.com

Mr. Issa was arrested and pleaded guilty to carrying a concealed weapon. Police found a handgun and a teargas gun plus ammunition for both in his cars glove compartment. While in service Mr. Issa claimed that he was part of an elite bomb detecting unit that guarded then President Richard Nixon at the 1971 World Series. However, the Nixon Presidential Library confirmed that Nixon had not attended any World Series games that year.

In another episode Mr. Issa was in the electronics business and owned a warehouse that caught fire one night in 1982. Coincidentally, he had increased the building’s insurance coverage by a sizable factor (four times) less than three weeks prior to the fire and had earlier removed the business computer and financial files. The arson investigators found a suspicious burn pattern and the insurance company refused to pay. The claim was later settled out of court.

[Carbon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 08:31:40 -0500, Moderate wrote:
> Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:

>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:27:42 -0700, Dene wrote:
>>> On May 22, 4:39 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>

> You give Obama a pass and blame everyone else regardless of culpability.
>
> What a self serving douche move.

Please killfile me.

[Carbon]

OTOH he's not worth any extra effort. No context, no response.

[Carbon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:46:38 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> Carbon wrote:
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 23:27:42 -0700, Dene wrote:
>>> On May 22, 4:39 pm, Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>>>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:34 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>>> bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> I've said that if there are those that did this should be held
>>>>>> responsible. "Top down" is the operative term. I don't believe
>>>>>> that it goes to the very top, and you're hoping that it does.
>>>>>

>>>>> So Bobby, question, in 2012 who exactly would stand to benefit from
>>>>> the IRS holding up fund raising for right leaning groups. During an
>>>>> election year?
>>>>
>>>> Be sure to let us know if you ever find proof of wrongdoing by the
>>>> Obama administration.
>>>
>>> Conversely....please let us know when you find fault with the Obama
>>> administration.
>>
>> I do not like these drone strikes. I don't have proof, but I suspect
>> the Obama administration is continuing with the systematic surveillance
>> program started by the previous administration.
>>
>> Mostly I react to the bug-eyed non-fact rants from the resident loons,
>> in which they are mysteriously certain that Obama was born in Kenya,
>> that AGW is a giant con, etc. You don't normally see that level of
>> crazy from the far left, at least not here.
>

> You don't see it because you are one of them.

More unwarranted certainty.

[Carbon]

Benghazi was a tragedy, but that immediately got lost in all the political
maneuvering. And for what it's worth voters seem to believe the Obama
administration's version of events and view the far right's conspiracy
theories as politically motivated. Which would be consistent with this:

http://goo.gl/zq7rU

[Carbon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 14:55:09 -0700, KenPitts wrote:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:21:12 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>
>> So you are not concerned about the three scandals he's facing right
>> now? I am...especially Benghazi.
>

> Obama and Hillary could do anything in the world and carbon would be
> spinning it.

I've already explained this to you. One last try: Tiger Woods is the kind
of self-centered asshole that I would intensely dislike if I had to deal
with him in person. For years you thought I was some sort of fanboy
because I disagreed with your 1000-word anti-Tiger screeds. You are no
more rational on the subject of politics. You think I'm a flaming leftist
when I'm really just laughing at your stupidity.

[Carbon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:47:37 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>
>> When this was first announced that was what was reported, and you said
>> nothing different until later, when other reports came out. Where was
>> your ESP then?
>>
>> The pooch is our POTUS, and to date he isn't screwed.
>
> The Dems certainly are in 2014.

I guess that if you keep making this prediction one day you'll be right.

[KenPitts]

So, you think all of America believes in sending the UN ambassador out to lie about "demonstrations" and that meaningless video? They knew it was a coordinated terrorist attack. They knew as it was happening. If it had been anyone other than Obama, Benghazi would have flipped the election.

Ken

[Carbon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:23:46 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 10:32:12 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> bkn...@conramp.net wrote:

>>>> On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:47:37 -0500, MNMikeW <mnmi...@aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Dems certainly are in 2014.
>>>>

>>>> Could be, but I really doubt it. Most of this is going to blow over
>>>> and the Republican party is in shreds. Now, if they use their heads,
>>>> get rid of the Tea Party nutbags and run someone for POTUS that the
>>>> general population can identify with, a much better chance. Chris
>>>> Christie for instance.
>>>
>>> No more RINO's. The Christies and Romney's are what's wrong with the
>>> Republican party.
>>
>> The extreme right is what's wrong with the Republican party and they'll
>> never get anyone elected from that area.
>
> Never? What were you JUST saying to me about tarot cards Mr. hypocrite?

The Southern Strategy is done. The number of minority voters continues to
increase and Republicans will not win national elections until they can
offer a plausible story to Latinos and Blacks. Of course the far right
will never agree to any of that, so they will continue to lose elections
until the moderate Republicans force them out.

[Moderate]

Carbon <nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:

What does it matter?
--

[Kenn Smith]

It's really sort of an interesting conundrum which may sooner or later
hit the Supreme Court. The relevant wording in the 5th Amendement says
that individuals may not be required to testify against themselves in
criminal cases, criminal being the key word here.

Congressional hearings are not criminal cases. They may, however, lead
to criminal charges. Assume that some testimony in front of a
congressional comittee leads or will possibly lead to criminal charges.
Does the possibility bring the 5th into play? Would the testimony in
front of a committee be allowable as evidence in a criminal trial? After
all, that could be considered as being forced to testify against
themselves.

I'm not exonerating or condemning her - that's for others to decide. I
just think that this is becoming an interesting can of worms which may
take a long time to closure

[Dene]

Bert saith....It is strange that the newsgroup liberalatti fell under the spell of and kept pushing the

low-level employees story and the righties knew from the beginning that it was a top-down
issue. At best you can say that Bobbie and his liberal buddies are gullible.

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Fair is more accurate. At this point, there is no evidence that POTUS knew and its quite plausible he didn't. Ever heard of the deniability factor?

-Greg