On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:08:39 -0800 (PST), "la...@pivotforpower.com"
<la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:
>I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply >should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible >citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and >other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
Of course looking at history tells us that Republicans are no more
fiscally responsible than Democrats. And that just about everybody
promises to get rid of tax loopholes.
It isn't just the Democrats that believe what they want to believe.
-- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
> On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
>> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
> I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
> Larry
You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before every-bodies mid/long term interests.
I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his successors.
> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> >> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> > Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
> > I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the
lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced > itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional > country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as > long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is > bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world > to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the > future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but > they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before > every-bodies mid/long term interests.
> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had > a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his > successors.
Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the downfall is increasing in our current times.
> In article <50a0eced$0$6864$e4fe5...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> sil...@internet.com says...
>> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
>>>> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
>>> Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
>>> I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the
> lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
>>> Larry
>> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced
>> itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional
>> country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as
>> long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
>> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is
>> bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world
>> to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
>> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the
>> future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
>> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but
>> they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before
>> every-bodies mid/long term interests.
>> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had
>> a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his
>> successors.
> Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> downfall is increasing in our current times.
History only shows there is a correlation but does not reveal the cause-effect relation. It is just as likely that social structures have collapsed as an effect of the downfall of their civilizations. This becomes even more likely when you look at the civilizations that have started rising as a result of being able to shake their old ways, China being an obvious example.
History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major factor in civilization downfall.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the >downfall is increasing in our current times.
I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
Union.
It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
that costs.
-- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
> >> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> >>>> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> >>> Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
> >>> I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the
> > lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
> >>> Larry
> >> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced
> >> itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional
> >> country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as
> >> long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
> >> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is
> >> bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world
> >> to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
> >> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the
> >> future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
> >> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but
> >> they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before
> >> every-bodies mid/long term interests.
> >> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had
> >> a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his
> >> successors.
> > Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> > cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> > history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> > downfall is increasing in our current times.
> History only shows there is a correlation but does not reveal the
> cause-effect relation. It is just as likely that social structures have
> collapsed as an effect of the downfall of their civilizations. This
> becomes even more likely when you look at the civilizations that have
> started rising as a result of being able to shake their old ways, China
> being an obvious example.
> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall
> and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing
> civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong
> indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>In article <50a0eced$0$6864$e4fe5...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>, >sil...@internet.com says...
>> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
>> >> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jIPUIfWrj84 >> > Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
That's why it's important to learn about other points of view than
your own. You don't have to believe if you don't want to, but not
even acknowledging that other facts/opinions/viewpoints exist is fatal
to intelligent choices.
>> > I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the >lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
>> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced >> itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional >> country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as >> long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
>> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is >> bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world >> to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
>> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the >> future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
>> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but >> they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before >> every-bodies mid/long term interests.
>> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had >> a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his >> successors.
>Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the >downfall is increasing in our current times.
So I guess we could go back to the policies of Imperial Rome, the
Huns, the Inquisition, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and everything will be
peachy? Stay unconverted, Bert, and enjoy your future.
-- Don Kirkman
dons...@charter.net
LLLLLLarrrrry Whines:
"Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting
that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading
the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed
Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct. I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising
them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he
got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't
know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American
history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible
citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of
course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the lazy, knowing
they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't
watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game."
__________________________________
After admitting that he was taken in by Fox News LLLLarry tells us that
we're ignorant if we don't watch Fox News or read the WSJ or listen to
Limbaugh or Hannity or some other wingnut.
BTW there were no "others" who were correct, LLLLLarry. NOBODY called a
landslide for Romney but the wingnuts like Morris (whose ass you
constantly kissed here).
When LLLLarrry mentions the word "stuff" be assured that it is plain and
simple Fox horseshit. STUFF is the line that the wingnuts at Fox have
been pedaling ever since Romney got his ass kicked. The line is that
"we" went for "free stuff rather than freedom."
Nothing at all to do with having an asshole for a candidate who got his
ass kicked because he WAS an asshole.
Of course, the idiot LLLLarry finishes up by advising "us" (like he does
with his inane golf horseshit) to watch interviews with "smart folks"
like he does - so that he could predict a Romney landslide. <chuckle!!>
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
> Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in
> the history books.
Then you should have no trouble coming up with a cite.
> On 11/12/2012 01:42 PM, BAR wrote:
> > In article <50a0eced$0$6864$e4fe5...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> > sil...@internet.com says...
> >> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> >>>> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> >>> Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
> >>> I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the
> > lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
> >>> Larry
> >> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced
> >> itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional
> >> country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as
> >> long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
> >> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is
> >> bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world
> >> to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
> >> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the
> >> future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
> >> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but
> >> they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before
> >> every-bodies mid/long term interests.
> >> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had
> >> a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his
> >> successors.
> > Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> > cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the
> > history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the
> > downfall is increasing in our current times.
> History only shows there is a correlation but does not reveal the > cause-effect relation. It is just as likely that social structures have > collapsed as an effect of the downfall of their civilizations. This > becomes even more likely when you look at the civilizations that have > started rising as a result of being able to shake their old ways, China > being an obvious example.
The Arabs and Asians have been living under autocratic or authoritarian rule for thousands of years. China has recently realized that private ownership property can lead to more efficient and profitable business.
China's relative recent forays into "controlled" capitalism may not continue if Europe and the USA economically fail.
> History also shows a strong correlation between civilization downfall > and changes in their surroundings like the rise of competing > civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques. This is a strong > indication that lack of flexibility and ability to adapt is a major > factor in civilization downfall.
Again, the authoritarian societies are less likely to be the cause of a "rise of competing civilizations and inventions of disruptive techniques."
Advances come from innovation and innovation comes from freedom.
In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2hno6giuklcs1fi...@4ax.com>, how...@brazee.net says...
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> Union.
> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> that costs.
Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced by the hour.
> >> On 11/12/2012 12:08 AM, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> >> >> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> >> > Great Interview! I hope Romney and others watched that. Interesting that he said the "Republican media" made big bucks basically misleading the Republican campaigns and donors. (Me among them!). I really believed Dick Morris and Carl Rove and others were correct.
> That's why it's important to learn about other points of view than
> your own. You don't have to believe if you don't want to, but not
> even acknowledging that other facts/opinions/viewpoints exist is fatal
> to intelligent choices.
> >> > I think overall the voters simply chose "Santa Claus" Obama promising them stuff he will be unable to deliver. But he did promise it and he got the votes of people who simply should know better. But they don't know better-- because our schools don't teach civics and American history and the young people don't do their homework as responsible citizens of a Republic, their duty to keep themselves informed. Of course our mainstream media targets the ignorant and the > >lazy, knowing they won't read WSJ and other "hard" information sources. They won't watch interviews with smart folks who really have skin in the game.
> I think you lost your skin, Larry.
> >> You haven't gained any insight since. The Republican party has reduced > >> itself to the keeper of the mantra that America is an exceptional > >> country united under one god and that this will perpetuate eternally as > >> long as Americans do not stray from their holy path.
> >> Their problem is that more and more people start realizing that this is > >> bullshit and that America has to change along with the rest of the world > >> to preserve its still dominant position as much and as long as possible.
> >> Instead of offering their own vision on how America should face the > >> future they tell the country to use ancient history as its guide.
> >> And the worst thing is that most Republican leaders know all this but > >> they choose to serve a small groups short term interests before > >> every-bodies mid/long term interests.
> >> I am sure Mitt Romney would have made a great president but he never had > >> a chance. And, unless the GOP changes drastically, neither will his > >> successors.
> >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> So I guess we could go back to the policies of Imperial Rome, the
> Huns, the Inquisition, Hitler, Stalin, and Mao and everything will be
> peachy? Stay unconverted, Bert, and enjoy your future.
Our future is one that is moving away from individual liberty and liberty itself.
BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2hno6giuklcs1fi...@4ax.com>, > how...@brazee.net says...
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of > > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the > > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the > > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> > I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> > much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> > Union.
> > It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> > Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> > that costs.
> Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal > government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced > by the hour.
It seems to me that it was the last Republican administration that made the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
:-)
-- Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
In article <pan.2012.11.12.23.13...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>, nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
> > Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
> > cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in
> > the history books.
> Then you should have no trouble coming up with a cite.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:30:08 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2hno6giuklcs1fi...@4ax.com>, >how...@brazee.net says...
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of >> >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the >> >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the >> >downfall is increasing in our current times.
>> I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
>> much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
>> Union.
>> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
>> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
>> that costs.
>Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced >by the hour.
Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
our liberties. Let's see that list.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:35:00 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>In article <pan.2012.11.12.23.13...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>, >nob...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com says...
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR wrote:
>> > Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of
>> > cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in
>> > the history books.
>> Then you should have no trouble coming up with a cite.
On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> >> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> >> >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of > >> >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the > >> >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the > >> >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> >> I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> >> much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> >> Union.
> >> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> >> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> >> that costs.
> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal > >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced > >by the hour.
> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
> our liberties. Let's see that list.
Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
> I suggest you need Mark Twain's advice; "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
> .
> On Saturday, November 10, 2012 6:23:35 PM UTC-8, unknown wrote:
> > Former Bush speechwriter David Frum made a remarkable appearance on Morning Joe, saying things even many progressives often won't come out and say.
> In article <MPG.2b0b5e96544a59e21...@news.giganews.com>,
> BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > In article <f752a8pt8smno57a2hno6giuklcs1fi...@4ax.com>, > > how...@brazee.net says...
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > > >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of > > > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in the > > > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the > > > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> > > I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> > > much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> > > Union.
> > > It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> > > Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> > > that costs.
> > Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal > > government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced > > by the hour.
> It seems to me that it was the last Republican administration that made > the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
> ...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
> :-)
I never supported the Patriot act or the creation of the Gestapo, I mean TSA.
The government was already listening to all overseas calls, they just wanted a way to speed up the process of civilian prosecution. What they got was a far reaching act that reduced everyone's liberties.
The TSA has turned into a harborer of criminals and miscreants.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:58:06 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
>> >> It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
>> >> Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
>> >> that costs.
>> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal >> >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced >> >by the hour.
>> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
>> our liberties. Let's see that list.
>Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
>Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and >you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
> > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 07:42:58 -0500, BAR <sc...@you.com> wrote:
> > > > >Liberalization of the social structure is the cause of the downfall of > > > > >cultures and civilizations. You can see this time and time again in > > > > >the > > > > >history books. What we have seen recently is that the speed of the > > > > >downfall is increasing in our current times.
> > > > I remember a liberal Iran, I remember a liberal Lebanon. I remember a
> > > > much more conservative China, and a much more conservative Soviet
> > > > Union.
> > > > It isn't an accident that "liberal" is a variation of "liberty".
> > > > Having conservative authority tell us what we can do is repression
> > > > that costs.
> > > Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal > > > government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced > > > by the hour.
> > It seems to me that it was the last Republican administration that made > > the largest inroads into your liberty in US history...
> > ...all in the name of a little temporary safety.
> > :-)
> I never supported the Patriot act or the creation of the Gestapo, I mean > TSA.
You never made much noise about it that I recall.
> The government was already listening to all overseas calls, they just > wanted a way to speed up the process of civilian prosecution. What they > got was a far reaching act that reduced everyone's liberties.
> The TSA has turned into a harborer of criminals and miscreants.
-- Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:20:30 -0600, bkni...@conramp.net wrote:
>>> >Liberal in the USA does not mean liberty. At the rate the federal >>> >government is pushing out new regulations you liberty is being reduced >>> >by the hour.
>>> Of course you have a list of all of those regulations that will reduce
>>> our liberties. Let's see that list.
>>Every new regulation reduces your freedom.
>>Take a look at some of the Corps of Engineers rules and regulations and >>you may find out that your backyard is a wetland.
>No list huh? More of your stupidity.
The regulations that cost me are bad. The ones that keep me safe
from what others do are good.
Of course, by changing the value of "me", that covers all except for
the special interest regulations written to keep them from having to
compete too hard.
-- "In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
