What is your biggest grip about golf?
Andy
Let me start the ball rolling.
1) Pin placements like the one on 18 on Friday during the US Open.
2) Tees that are sloped.
3) Slow play.
4) Cheaters.
5) Unraked traps.
6) Poorly designed holes.
7) Not being able to get a good tee time on the weekends.
8) Not being waived through by a slow group ahead.
9) O.J. Simpson being allowed on a golf course.
10) Golf not being in the Olympics.
JoePete
Well I think you covered most of them. I'll add two:
1) Courses that require use of carts.
2) Courses that charge a full green fee even though there are temporary greens
or recent maintenance was done (i.e. greens aerated) wouldn't mind it so much
if the courses posted the information clearly or perhaps told you when you made
a time -- at least giving you a chance to find another course.
Not sure about your No. 1 -- hole locations. Hey I didn't have to putt it, but
I'm kind of a golf masochist anyway. It was borderline ridiculous, but it's
tough to apply the philosophy of fair to a golf course. Everyone has to face
the same hole.
James Holladay
by the "biggest", but it seems to be the "best" for me. Although, it
might not work for everybody because you're not supposed to use that grip
if you have big hands.
Andy
dictionary.)
James Holladay wrote in message <71qjl1$t7n$6...@lark.jmu.edu>...
Alex
>
> Here's a thread that will surely get long.
>
>
> 1) Pin placements like the one on 18 on Friday during the US Open.
> 2) Tees that are sloped.
> 3) Slow play.
> 4) Cheaters.
> 5) Unraked traps.
> 6) Poorly designed holes.
> 7) Not being able to get a good tee time on the weekends.
> 8) Not being waived through by a slow group ahead.
> 9) O.J. Simpson being allowed on a golf course.
> 10) Golf not being in the Olympics.
1) Slow play
2) Slow Play because of excessive plum bobbing
3) Slow Play because people don't realize they are "away"
4) Slow Play because people take 5 practice swings
5) Slow Play because someone doesn't have a ball in pocket and wants to
take a mulligan
6) Slow Play because people freeze over the ball for 45 sec. on every
shot
7) Slow Play because someone is looking relentlesly a ball
8) Slow Play because someone goes back to the cart get club
9) Slow Play because someone fills in their scorecard on the green
10) Slow Play because someone is waiting for the group in front of them
to vacate the green that is 250 yards away.
Steve Parkhill
wedge shaft, I guess it to be my biggest grip.
;-)
My biggest gripe about golf .... would be the death of common sense in newbe's.
Would they ever, EVER think of going to the range, taking lessons, or starting out
on pitch and putts, then graduating to executive courses, and finally then
stepping out on a championship course? NNNNNOOOOOOooooooo! They must buy their
first set of clubs and drive straight to the golf course for their first round.
Very sad.
Steve
PS#1: would the next guy please add the "e" to the subject header?
PS#2: speaking of sizes ... what to you call a midget palm reader who has escaped
from prison?
... a small medium at large:)
Andy
agree with your statement about new golfers wanting to step up to the
championship tees and shoot about 200, not counting all the cheating, and
taking about 6 hours to do it.
Steve Parkhill wrote in message <3640EA18...@sparkhill.com>...
Josh Donelson
>
> Here's a thread that will surely get long.
>
> Let me start the ball rolling.
>
> 1) Pin placements like the one on 18 on Friday during the US Open.
> 2) Tees that are sloped.
> 3) Slow play.
> 4) Cheaters.
> 5) Unraked traps.
> 6) Poorly designed holes.
> 7) Not being able to get a good tee time on the weekends.
> 8) Not being waived through by a slow group ahead.
> 9) O.J. Simpson being allowed on a golf course.
> 10) Golf not being in the Olympics.
Someone has to play devils advocate, here. I've got some gripes to add,
but first I want to
offer some points in favor of some of yours (in the spirit of debate,
always - no one is
getting mean, here).
5). I personally am for leaving the traps as nature would have them.
Forget rakes. I would
be perfectly happy if I never saw another rake. They are called HAZARDS
for a reason.
(and if you hear Mr. Penick in these thoughts, well, theres a reason!
:>) These days, even
at courses with terrible sand, a decent lie is almost guaranteed, and
any chump with
a low bounce sand wedge can get out to relative saftey with a little
splash shot. If the
sand is actually decent, good shots can be had left and right, with a
little coaching. There's
virtually no penalty anymore for being in a hazard.
I might be persuaded to back off on this stance, though, after some
forethought. I say, for
everyday play, leave the greenside bunkers unraked, but groom the
fairway ones. Those are
penalty enough, having to alter a full shot as you do. But fot the pros,
Abolish The Use
Of A Rake!
7). It's frustrating, yes, but they are to be had. Someone is getting
them, right? Find out
who, and how. Here in austin, to get a weekend morning tee time, you
have to be at the course
before 6:30, and sign up on a list, and then you get drawn for prime
times. It's what it takes.
Granted, some of the nicer course (Bethpage Black has been kicked around
here in RSG) this won't
work - politics plays too much part. There, yeah, that's a gripe. But
most everywhere, tee times
are to be had for those that REALLY want them.
Now, for my own gripes.
1). Plumb Bobbing.
2). People not playing ready golf
3). Courses not notifying players of aerification of greens (I HATE
crappy greens)
4). Spikeless courses (so I'm a traditionalist - sue me)
5). OB inside the course proper.
6). Being paired with any of the extreme behavior types
- Loud and capricious
- Self defeating
- arrogant
- the "coach"
- the idiot (my personal greatest dislike)
- Mr. I'll just hit another, okay?
(as a flip side, KUDOS to all of you who make a damn good round of
blind draw golf
at a local muni - you are appreciated)
And my number on pet peeve about golf.......
That one day, you can be so amazingly good at the game, and the next,
you can't even sniff
your handicap! (oh wait, that's the universal appeal of the game, too,
isn't it?!!?)
Josh
"R&B"
(10) Use of "split tees" to start play. For the life of me, I can't see how
it's economically desirable for the golf course to do so. For those of us
who never make tee times, it's a deterrent to playing at all because of the
2 1/2-hour "windows" when NOBODY can start (while the people on the course
are turning to both sides). Besides, there's a reason why most golf course
designers call it the FIRST hole. You wouldn't read a book starting with
chapter 10 and then read the first 9 chapters. A golf course is like a work
of art; you should experience it the way the artist intended.
(9) This has less to do with golf, per se, but the switch from Daylight
Savings Time back to Standard Time. FALL BACK on THIS!!! Furthermore, you
people who think golf should be played first thing in the morning can bite
me. Take up fishing. It'll speed up play on the golf course for the rest
of us who actually eat breakfast.
(8) Guys who think they're macho studs by playing the back tees, but can't
hit the ball past the senior's tees half the time. Puh-leeeze! There's a
reason why they're called the "championship" tees, guys. When you're ready
to compete for one, play from there. Until then, face reality. You have as
much business back there as you do in the cockpit of the shuttle.
(7) Guys who assume I'm as big a chicken over 3-footers as they are, and who
slap my gimme-length putts back to me. Thanks, but I like to hole all my
putts. That's why I don't miss many.
(6) People who don't respect the rules enough to acknowledge that some folks
like to play by them. Frankly, if I'm paired with you (as long as no money
is changing hands), I couldn't care less whether YOU play by the rules. But
don't harass me for doing so. If I hit one OB, you're gonna by God wait
until I hit again. I came to play GOLF, and I don't consider it a
disappointment if the group ahead of us finishes five minutes before we do.
(5) Guys who, after every single freakin' shot they hit, insist on
volunteering the information of what club they hit, as if I'm gonna be
impressed by how long they hit their irons. I'll be impressed when you
start getting up and down for par from some of the impossible spots you hit
those lengthy iron shots. Besides, honestly, how impressed can I get
watching you shoot 95? Transpose those numbers and I'll carry your bag.
(4) Three-day rainy weekends that render the course unplayable.
(3) People who don't repair their pitch marks on the greens, or don't rake
the bunkers, or -- gasp! -- don't even remember to replace the flagstick in
the hole when they head to the next tee. (It's a miracle they remembered to
put on pants before leaving the house.)
(2) People who hit into you from behind when you're clearly in view. "Hey,
a**hole, we're keepin' up with the group ahead of us!" Of course most of
them didn't graduate much past "dodge ball" in grade school, so it's easy to
see the connection.
(1) There are only 18 holes.
Randy
Jag
Alex wrote in message <3640E2...@symgrp.com>...
Jag
* Friends that whine and wont play if its a little bit wet.
"R&B" wrote in message <71qvbt$q5m$1...@camel15.mindspring.com>...
Benson
1) driving ranges that use mats instead of grass
2) public courses that trys to squeeze in as many people as they can,
even if they did not reserve a tee time
3) people who smoke and drink beer while they play
4) people who don't yell "fore"
5) people who walk right into your fairway just as you're about to tee
off
6) people who whisper about your swing mechanics while you are teeing
off
7) people who don't manage their shadows on the green
8) courses where people have to take your golf bag to your cart and want
a $5 tip
9) courses where you must pay for a caddy and the caddy bitches and
complains about your heavy bag (this happens a lot when u play in
courses in Taiwan)
10) people who suck and tries to give you tips
Andy
into my: pro shop/greens keeping crew/management. If I ever win that lotto,
you're going to get a call.
Andy
This guys number one. No mats please. No hitting into screens either. How
about round, white, range balls that don't have pieces missing.
Benson wrote in message <364114...@ix.netcom.com>...
JMK
pretty much dead on with my own gripes!
The only thing I'd add is:
(11) People who ASSUME they know my game when they've only known me for 5
minutes. When I ask on the FIRST tee "How far to that creek?", I DON'T want
to hear "You're fine to hit"... that's NOT what I asked!!! You don't know
if I hit it 150 yards on a good day or 240, you just ASSUME because I'm
female that I won't possibly hit it that far because, golly gee, you can't.
I want to know because I don't want to start off my round by hitting into a
goddamn creek because YOU think I can't hit it that far.
(Can you tell this is a sore point? I've had enough people, EVEN other
women, tell me "Oh, it's a long way away, you won't reach it from here"...
fine, Miss Longest-drive-of-my-life-was-170, but I can smack the ball pretty
good and oh, 170 is about my 5 iron thank-you-very-much).
Jen :)
PS - if this is too much of a rant, blame Randy... reading his list o'gripes
got me all worked up! *grin*
|"R&B" wrote in message...
|>My top ten gripes about golf --
|>
L.Evans
green, pagers-cell phones, getting advice from someone that just took 7s
on the last 6 holes. There are just too many but why focus on the negative.
Andy
and would love to enjoy watching a good woman golfer up close and inside the
ropes.
JMK wrote in message <71r8v9$87e$1...@nntp2.uunet.ca>...
Andy
My God I'll kill the next bastard I see eating them on a course.
L.Evans wrote in message <71rbhs$3r7a$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Jag
to have a range where I could hit real Titleists, not the Range-Flites with
stripes on them. Just think as opposed to $6-7 a bucket pay $11-15 a bucket
and hit real balls , I'd pay for that privilege. Think about it, you pay
$36-45 for 12 golf balls and possibly loose them because you were not used
to the spin rate, or it flew 125y where a range ball went 105y. If you paid
$11 just to hit 40 Titleist balls, wouldn't that be worth it?
Andy wrote in message <71r6q8$kab$1...@excalibur.flash.net>...
Jag
Andy wrote in message <71rcf1$kpj$1...@excalibur.flash.net>...
Paul Affleck
Andy wrote in message <71qhjq$4cg$1...@excalibur.flash.net>...
John Francas
"golfers" who wait for the green to clear...they take out a firway wood and
then carve 90 yards short and 30 yards left....
Living in the UK the carts aren't so much a problem but I think total
reliance on them over in the US is a bit sad. Carts, distance markers every
50 yards...hell, why bother playing at all. Just use the exhorbitant gree
fee to pay someone to play for you....
John Francas
As Freddie said at Augusta, "Oh Baby".
John Francas
I'm a 'male' glofer and whenever I play on courses new to me my partners
will always reply "oh, nobody hits it over that hill...into the brook...can
reach that bunker...blah blah blah...". Then I hit my tee shot into the
brook, bunker etc....
I'm sure that the answer to a question starting "How far is it to..." should
be a number of yards, metres, cubits, lightyeras, astronomical
units...............
John Francas
JMK wrote in message <71r8v9$87e$1...@nntp2.uunet.ca>...
>Well, I honestly can't improve on Randy's list... it's pretty exhaustive
and
>pretty much dead on with my own gripes!
>
>The only thing I'd add is:
>(11) People who ASSUME they know my game when they've only known me for 5
>minutes. When I ask on the FIRST tee "How far to that creek?", I DON'T want
>to hear "You're fine to hit"... that's NOT what I asked!!! You don't know
>if I hit it 150 yards on a good day or 240, you just ASSUME because I'm
>female that I won't possibly hit it that far because, golly gee, you can't.
>I want to know because I don't want to start off my round by hitting into a
>goddamn creek because YOU think I can't hit it that far.
>
>(Can you tell this is a sore point? I've had enough people, EVEN other
>women, tell me "Oh, it's a long way away, you won't reach it from here"...
>fine, Miss Longest-drive-of-my-life-was-170, but I can smack the ball
pretty
>good and oh, 170 is about my 5 iron thank-you-very-much).
>
>Jen :)
>
>PS - if this is too much of a rant, blame Randy... reading his list
o'gripes
>got me all worked up! *grin*
>>snipped a load of brilliant gripes (or is that grips??!!)
>|>
>|
>
>
John Francas
Are they 24 carat golf balls in the US???
In the UK, I practice at an excellent range, with greens at 75, 100, 150,
200 & 225 yards (raised, mown greens, where the balls behave like on proper
ones!!) and pay £2.00 for a bucket of 60 golf balls. I think thats about
$1.50US. I think I'm beginning to understand why golf is accused of being a
rich man's sport over there...I'm sure its not always the case but $6 a
bucket!!!
John Francas
Jag wrote in message <36413...@news.pacifier.com>...
JMK
70's
the
|ropes.
Well, I'm not scratch yet! *grin*... but I worked hard this summer and took
7 strokes or so off my handicap, down to a 13.something at the moment and
next summer, with more hard work and practise, I think I can get into single
digits.
So, I wouldn't say I'm good yet but I'm going the right direction! :)
Jen
YoYo
>Furthermore, you
>people who think golf should be played first thing in the morning can bite
>me. Take up fishing. It'll speed up play on the golf course for the rest
>of us who actually eat breakfast.
Randy, Randy, Randy...
Just because you think you should be able to saunter onto the golf course
at 10 and find it empty doesn't mean that you have to insult those of us
who like to get out early. After all, just because you've managed to eke
out a life where all you do is play golf and talk about golf doesn't mean
the rest of us don't have stuff we've gotta get done. :-)
--
----YoYo------...@tezcat.com------------and stuff------
"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."
-Jesse "The Body" Ventura
YoYo
>Well, I honestly can't improve on Randy's list... it's pretty exhaustive and
>pretty much dead on with my own gripes!
>
>The only thing I'd add is:
>(11) People who ASSUME they know my game when they've only known me for 5
>minutes. When I ask on the FIRST tee "How far to that creek?", I DON'T want
>to hear "You're fine to hit"... that's NOT what I asked!!! You don't know
>if I hit it 150 yards on a good day or 240, you just ASSUME because I'm
>female that I won't possibly hit it that far because, golly gee, you can't.
>I want to know because I don't want to start off my round by hitting into a
>goddamn creek because YOU think I can't hit it that far.
>
>(Can you tell this is a sore point? I've had enough people, EVEN other
>women, tell me "Oh, it's a long way away, you won't reach it from here"...
>fine, Miss Longest-drive-of-my-life-was-170, but I can smack the ball pretty
>good and oh, 170 is about my 5 iron thank-you-very-much).
My wife often runs into the same thing. She usually plays from the whites
(or whatever the forwared "men's" tees are), and it's pretty amusing when
we get paired up with some guy who says, "your tees are up there, ma'am",
and then my wife proceeds to out drive him. This happened one time at a
course in North Carolina, and my wife hit what had to have been one of the
drives of her life - easily 50 yards past the guy. She very cooly turned
back to him and said, "I'll play from these tees, thanks." The guy looked
shell shocked. It was really funny.
YoYo
Ah, Jen, Andy's just hitting on you. He thinks he can get on your good
side by flattering your game. Maybe he should ask you to build him a set
of clubs instead. :-)
Gerald Bennett
At least it was the last time I looked.
The easiest way for me to get along in the UK is to convince myself
that a pound is equal to a dollar. Then things don't seem so expensive.
Of course, when it is really $1.80, you're really paying almost twice
as much, but somehow it doesn't seem so bad once you have the mindset
that the dollar and pound are equal.
JOHN HANLEY
their own ball...and, yes, I did it once!
-----------------------------
th...@lucent.com
> Andy wrote:
> >
> > Here's a thread that will surely get long.
> >
> > Let me start the ball rolling.
> >
> > 1) Pin placements like the one on 18 on Friday during the US Open.
> > 2) Tees that are sloped.
> > 3) Slow play.
> > 4) Cheaters.
> > 5) Unraked traps.
> > 6) Poorly designed holes.
> > 7) Not being able to get a good tee time on the weekends.
> > 8) Not being waived through by a slow group ahead.
> > 9) O.J. Simpson being allowed on a golf course.
> > 10) Golf not being in the Olympics.
First of all, I ALWAYS have fun playing golf if I can walk (my only
major gripe I guess is not being allowed to walk).
But my minor gripes in addition to some of yours would be:
(1) People behind you yelling to hurry up, or complaining about
slow play - and not believing you when you tell them you
are waiting on every shot.
(2) Out of bounds - and always on the left [where my driver goes :-(]
(3) Golfers that look for their ball in a hazard for a long time
when it is their turn to hit. Drop one and play it so I can
walk forward - THEN fish out your ball. For some unknown
reason this bugs me the most of any play-slowing activity.
Well, I guess that is all I can think of - I *love* this game,
and just don't have that many gripes.
Regarding the unraked sand traps - heck they are just another
challenge. In my club championship this year I had the worst
lie any in our group had ever seen (perhaps I should start another
thread on your worst lie?). Anyhoo, my ball was in a pit in a steeply
walled greenside bunker - the ball was at least 4 inches down in this
hole - formed by a foot I guess in the soft sand, and resting in
the corner, like this:
------| |-----
| |
|O | -----> to the green
+-------+
The walls were very nearly vertical as shown.
I had to blast out sideways just to get out of the trap. Then made a
good up-and-down for bogey. Felt real good as the guys I were playing
with had come over and looked at my lie and kept trying to get me
to move the ball (they did not know the rules too well).
I felt real good - I probably made the same score as I would have with
a good lie anyway.
Have Fun!
-- David "Thor" Collard
-- http://ttsoft.com/thor
-- th...@lucent.com
Dan Driscoll
want to play with me when it is raining. A slight drizzle or some mist
is OK, not real rain, even if it is light. That is because after every
single shot I have to stop and dry my glasses before it is safe for me
to walk up to my ball. It isn't so much the nearsightedness as the
astigmatism. Try looking through lenses speckled with raindrops and then
flex the lenses. That will give you a small indication of what I go
through when my lenses get wet. I have tried all kinds of hats, visors,
hoods, etc. in an effort to keep my glasses dry, but I haven't found
anything that works when a) the wind blows or b) I look up.
Good Golf
Dan
Robert Hamilton
JoePete wrote:
> Andy wrote:
> <<Let me start the ball rolling.
>
> 1) Pin placements like the one on 18 on Friday during the US Open.
> 2) Tees that are sloped.
> 3) Slow play.
> 4) Cheaters.
> 5) Unraked traps.
> 6) Poorly designed holes.
> 7) Not being able to get a good tee time on the weekends.
> 8) Not being waived through by a slow group ahead.
> 9) O.J. Simpson being allowed on a golf course.
> 10) Golf not being in the Olympics.
> >>
>
> Well I think you covered most of them. I'll add two:
>
> 1) Courses that require use of carts.
>
> 2) Courses that charge a full green fee even though there are temporary greens
> or recent maintenance was done (i.e. greens aerated) wouldn't mind it so much
> if the courses posted the information clearly or perhaps told you when you made
> a time -- at least giving you a chance to find another course.
>
> Not sure about your No. 1 -- hole locations. Hey I didn't have to putt it, but
> I'm kind of a golf masochist anyway. It was borderline ridiculous, but it's
> tough to apply the philosophy of fair to a golf course. Everyone has to face
> the same hole.
Dan Driscoll
small bucket (45 balls) US$4.00
medium bucket (65 balls) $5.00
large bucket (85 balls) $6.00
x-large bucket (105 balls) $7.00
Good Golf
Dan
JMK
>Ah, Jen, Andy's just hitting on you. He thinks he can get on your good
>side by flattering your game. Maybe he should ask you to build him a set
>of clubs instead. :-)
LOL
Jen :))
Andy
John Francas wrote in message <71rvgm$g2a$4...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
Andy
golfer would like to have a good woman golfer as a friend......Or even
perhaps more than a friend. (Hint...hint...hint...)
Just playing.
YoYo wrote in message <71sbna$7...@xochi.tezcat.com>...
>In article <71s8i9$el4$1...@nntp2.uunet.ca>, JMK <sco...@hehe.com> wrote:
>
>>Andy wrote in message <71rcf1$kpj$1...@excalibur.flash.net>...
>
>>|Wants to play with woman that can hit 5 iron 170 yards. I shoot in the
>>70's
>>|and would love to enjoy watching a good woman golfer up close and inside
>>the
>>|ropes.
>>
>>
>>Well, I'm not scratch yet! *grin*... but I worked hard this summer and
took
>>7 strokes or so off my handicap, down to a 13.something at the moment and
>>next summer, with more hard work and practise, I think I can get into
single
>>digits.
>>
>>So, I wouldn't say I'm good yet but I'm going the right direction! :)
>
>Ah, Jen, Andy's just hitting on you. He thinks he can get on your good
>side by flattering your game. Maybe he should ask you to build him a set
>of clubs instead. :-)
>
>
Oscar de Grouch
<pub...@nojunk.net.au> wrote:
> She turned to him and said "Well, I might have the tits, but you've got
> the dress".
>
> Cheers
> Colin Wilson
Hey!! That's why I love my Passport!!!
Oscar!
Brian Sward
Actually, 2 pounds is a little over $3.00 US.
Most ranges I've been to go from about $3-4.00 for 40 balls to the SUPER
DUPER JUMBO OVERSIZE bucket with about 120 balls for $7-8.00. Also, the
range I usually go to puts out coupons on the back of grocery receipts for
buy one get one free for any size, so for $8.00 you can go to the range and
hit 240 balls and feel like you've just destroyed your hands.
This range just has flags and signs like the typical range does, but I use
the two rows of signs about 30 yards apart as sort of a "fairway" and hit
sets of ten tee shots to see what percentage I can get in the fairway...
One range I've been to in NJ has artificial greens with impact sensors and a
light on top of the green that flashes when a ball hits the surface...
-Brian
----------
"R&B"
Of course you know I was only having a little fun.
Randy
YoYo wrote in message <71sb6h$7...@xochi.tezcat.com>...
>\"R&B\" <Ra...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Furthermore, you
>>people who think golf should be played first thing in the morning can bite
>>me. Take up fishing. It'll speed up play on the golf course for the rest
>>of us who actually eat breakfast.
>
>Randy, Randy, Randy...
>
>Just because you think you should be able to saunter onto the golf course
>at 10 and find it empty doesn't mean that you have to insult those of us
>who like to get out early. After all, just because you've managed to eke
>out a life where all you do is play golf and talk about golf doesn't mean
>the rest of us don't have stuff we've gotta get done. :-)
Steve Parkhill
>
> I've taken my share of abuse about that typo.
I'm sorry. I just had to when my mind came up with the jumbo grip angle:)
... you're not gripping about the ripping you're taking, are you?
I'm done...
Andy,
take a bite out of my elephant query, will ya? I would like your input on the
subject matter in that thread.
Steve
> Well, things to happen. I
> agree with your statement about new golfers wanting to step up to the
> championship tees and shoot about 200, not counting all the cheating, and
> taking about 6 hours to do it.
>
> Steve Parkhill wrote in message <3640EA18...@sparkhill.com>...
> >I do play with jumbo grips on my irons. With the extra tape I had put on my
> gap
> >wedge shaft, I guess it to be my biggest grip.
> >;-)
> >
> >My biggest gripe about golf .... would be the death of common sense in
> newbe's.
> >Would they ever, EVER think of going to the range, taking lessons, or
> starting out
> >on pitch and putts, then graduating to executive courses, and finally then
> >stepping out on a championship course? NNNNNOOOOOOooooooo! They must buy
> their
> >first set of clubs and drive straight to the golf course for their first
> round.
> >
> >Very sad.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >PS#1: would the next guy please add the "e" to the subject header?
> >
> >PS#2: speaking of sizes ... what to you call a midget palm reader who has
> escaped
> >from prison?
> >
> >
> >... a small medium at large:)
> >
> >Andy wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's a thread that will surely get long.
> >>
YoYo
>Point made.
>
>Of course you know I was only having a little fun.
Likewise.
Dan Driscoll
He said 2 POUNDS. As in British pounds sterling. It works out to about
US$3.60 a 60 ball bucket. Not quite worth the cost of a plane ticket to
merry old England. :-)
Good Golf
Dan :-)
Andy wrote:
>
> $2 a bucket???? I know where I'm spending my next vacation.
>
> John Francas wrote in message <71rvgm$g2a$4...@plug.news.pipex.net>...
> >$6-7 a bucket!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Are they 24 carat golf balls in the US???
> >
> >In the UK, I practice at an excellent range, with greens at 75, 100, 150,
> >200 & 225 yards (raised, mown greens, where the balls behave like on proper
> >ones!!) and pay £2.00 for a bucket of 60 golf balls. I think thats about
> >$1.50US. I think I'm beginning to understand why golf is accused of being a
> >rich man's sport over there...I'm sure its not always the case but $6 a
> >bucket!!!
> >
Andy
to play for months, and it would be worth any cost to get over there.
I really need to go on a diet.
Dan Driscoll wrote in message <36423F2A...@nmr.com>...
Fred Knott
2. Attitudes of the people in the Pro Shop.
3. Charging full price when the greens or fairways have just been
airated. (SP?)
4. corporate golf outings that close the course for a whole day. (always
happens on my day off)
5. corporate golf outings that close the tax payer supported park
district courses for the day.
6. most of the people that play in corporate golf outings.
7. the guy that thinks he's the best golfer because he spent the most
for his clubs.
8. cigar butts on the greens.
9. people that never fix their divots, and ball marks.
10. blacktop and concrete golf cart paths.
11. golf carts.
12. fitting 18 holes in less than 200 acres.
13. courses that brag about the length of the rough.
JMK
>Someone playing the wrong ball because they didn't remember the i.d. of
>their own ball...and, yes, I did it once!
That reminds me of something that happened this summer that I STILL don't
believe.
I won a 3-pack of Dunlop Titanium golf balls at a fun tourney... anyone
heard of 'em? I've heard of Dunlop but not the Titanium version and to my
knowledge, haven't seen 'em since.
Well, my first round out, I was using them and on one particular hole, I
pushed my drive badly and ended up on a fairway parallel to mine.
(Sidebar - I always mark my balls with a Blue Sharpie pen using 4 dots in a
diamond shape above the name brand). On this occasion, I proceeded to find
my ball on the other fairway and I saw one sitting in the middle of the
fairway and one in the sand trap, both of which could be mine. One fellow
on this other hole was hitting the one out of the sand trap so I proceeded
to the one in the fairway and sure enough, Dunlop Titanium, so I hit it and
proceeded to hole out.
At the time, I never looked for my "mark" on the ball since it was the same
brand/style as I hit and ASSUMED that it was mine... between holes, I went
to wash the ball and realized that it said "#2" instead of "#1" which was
the sleeve I had - I even looked at the other two balls that I had yet to
hit and they too were numbered with "1"... HMMMMMM... That must have been
my ball in the sand trap and COINCIDENTALLY two of us were playing the
Dunlop Titanium's at the same time. Odd indeed!
Jen :)
Colin Wilson
> My wife often runs into the same thing. She usually plays from the whites
> (or whatever the forwared "men's" tees are), and it's pretty amusing when
> we get paired up with some guy who says, "your tees are up there, ma'am",
> and then my wife proceeds to out drive him. This happened one time at a
> course in North Carolina, and my wife hit what had to have been one of the
> drives of her life - easily 50 yards past the guy. She very cooly turned
> back to him and said, "I'll play from these tees, thanks." The guy looked
> shell shocked. It was really funny.
I was playing with a female friend of mine during a Festival weekend at
Port Fairy, a small seaside town in Victoria, this year. She hits a
pretty good ball, probably 200 metres off the tee with a driver.
There was this group of young men, and one of them was actually playing
wearing a dress! I think it was some sort of (hangover) bet from the
revelry of the night before. My friend also likes to play off the same
tee as the men (whites).
We met this particular group at a joint tee. They made some side comment
about her hitting off the men's tee. Immediately after, the guy in the
dress skulled his ball about 50 metres. My friend then proceeded to slam
one straight down the middle of our fairway, as far as she ever hits it.
Richard Giles
US$5-6. Hitting off mats, with yellow hard as rock balls that have
interesting (to say the least!) flight patterns. I've given up trying to
equate range distance to course distance - on the range I hit several
irons to the same distance, about 150m.
Andy - another pet hate that I can't remember if you've mentioned -
mobile phones on the range and the course. I go there to get away from
everything - who wants their office to follow them there?
--
Richard
"The way I see things is that we are scratching our heads when
our bums are itchy." - Mike Amm, rsru, 8/5/98
replace "leadtogold" with "alchemist" for email
Andy
>So we new golfers can't step on a course until we can shoot par. When else
do
>we have the opportunity to judge our game in a real setting. Unless you
shot
>par the first time you played, someone had to be understanding while you
were
>learning.
>
>Lighten up.
I agree that if you pay your green fee, you deserve the pleasure of playing
a round. I think what bothers most regular golfers, isn't that you don't
play well, but many of us have played behind a group of beginners who take 6
hours to finish. As long as you play fast, we all could care less what you
shoot.
But......If you go out there and slow everyone down and haven't learned what
we call, proper etiquette, (meaning letting faster groups through), then you
are not going to be well received out there.
GeoMeoBeo
In article <71qq5l$7t6$1...@excalibur.flash.net>, "Andy" <avko...@flash.net>
writes:
>on pitch and putts, then graduating to executive courses, and finally then
>>stepping out on a championship course? NNNNNOOOOOOooooooo! They must buy
>their
>>first set of clubs and drive straight to the golf course for their first
>round.
So we new golfers can't step on a course until we can shoot par. When else do
we have the opportunity to judge our game in a real setting. Unless you shot
par the first time you played, someone had to be understanding while you were
learning.
Lighten up.
Get tough and get rough,
and take what you can get.
The stroker
JoePete
Your first few times, you don't instantly hike to the top of the mountain and
try to go down even a moderate trail.
You start usually in a group lesson or at least with an experienced friend on
the easy slopes and the instructional area.
However, golf courses don't have the equivalent of the bunny slope or even the
"learn to ski" half hour lesson. I think a neat idea would be for courses to
build an extra three holes where some PGA apprentice working the shop, could
take a group of 8 or so and just walk them around showing, where to stand, how
fix divots and ball marks, rake traps and move along.
For the record, there are a lot of people who have been playing the game for a
while who could probably benefit from such instruction as well.
Dan Driscoll
is a little different than most other sports in that your actions can
have a direct impact on other golfers on the course. When you go bowling
for the first time you probably aren't going to endanger or delay other
bowlers. But someone going to a golf course for the first time, without
having learned at least the basics of etiqette and proper play will
cause serious delays and could possibly place other golfers in danger.
No one said that you have to be a par shooter or even a bogey shooter to
play on a decent golf course. I know experienced players who shoot
around 100 every time they go out, but they don't cause any delays and
they know when and where to hit the ball, where to stand, etc. They also
know when to start shouting "FORE", which seems to be a problem for a
lot of beginners, in my experience.
Don't just buy a set of clubs and then try to play Poppy Hills or
Pasatiempo. Take some lessons, play a couple of rounds on a par 3 course
and then come out to Sunnyvale Muni before you head to Pebble Beach. You
will enjoy it more and the other players on the course will appreciate
it.
Good Golf
Dan
Joe Cartpath
GeoMeoBeo wrote in message <19981109223052...@ngol07.aol.com>...
>
>In article <71qq5l$7t6$1...@excalibur.flash.net>, "Andy" <avko...@flash.net>
>writes:
>
>>on pitch and putts, then graduating to executive courses, and finally then
>>>stepping out on a championship course? NNNNNOOOOOOooooooo! They must buy
>>their
>>>first set of clubs and drive straight to the golf course for their first
>>round.
>
>
do
>we have the opportunity to judge our game in a real setting. Unless you
shot
>par the first time you played, someone had to be understanding while you
were
>learning.
>
>Lighten up.
>
>Get tough and get rough,
>and take what you can get.
>The stroker
Any new golfer playing a championship (read "Difficult") course until
getting some sort of feel for the game at easier courses is just asking for
punishment. It's sort of like taking your first driving lesson (auto - not
golf) in rush hour traffic. Sure, you can do it - but you and everyone
around you is goin to be miserable.
When I started, I played a short 9 hole course until I could consistently
break 50. Then I went to a fairly easy 18 hole course, and worked on
breaking 50 for each 9 there. When I went to a more difficult course for the
first time, I at least had some feel for my game - and at least a little
confidence. I see guys every weekend shooting 130, losing a dozen balls and
getting more and more frustrated. Why not have fun instead?
Of course, everyone progresses at a different rate.
rb...@webtv.net
they can drive around on those godawful ribbons of concrete and turn one
of the most delightful games into something that does not resemble
Golf)...........OK...2 or 3 carts is fine for those golfers who simply
can't play any other way {of whose ranks I may someday join}, but.....no
paths.
Mike Malecki
: I have an Idea. A range that didn't use range balls. I'd pay a little extra
: to have a range where I could hit real Titleists, not the Range-Flites with
: stripes on them. Just think as opposed to $6-7 a bucket pay $11-15 a bucket
: and hit real balls , I'd pay for that privilege. Think about it, you pay
: $36-45 for 12 golf balls and possibly loose them because you were not used
: to the spin rate, or it flew 125y where a range ball went 105y. If you paid
: $11 just to hit 40 Titleist balls, wouldn't that be worth it?
No.
A golf ball is a golf ball, a club is a club. A golfer can play with any
equipmwnt.
--
Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
Mike "Two Scoops" Malecki
CFL 4 LIFE
Susan Hanson
>Jag (ma...@pacifier.com) wrote:
>: I have an Idea. A range that didn't use range balls. I'd pay a little
extra
>: to have a range where I could hit real Titleists, not the Range-Flites
with
>: stripes on them. Just think as opposed to $6-7 a bucket pay $11-15 a
bucket
>: and hit real balls , I'd pay for that privilege. Think about it, you pay
>: $36-45 for 12 golf balls and possibly loose them because you were not
used
>: to the spin rate, or it flew 125y where a range ball went 105y. If you
paid
>: $11 just to hit 40 Titleist balls, wouldn't that be worth it?
>
The only problem is...you'd have too many people buy a bucket at the range
and put them in their golf bag. For example, if you get 36 balls in a
bucket and you pay $15 for the bucket, you can pocket $60 (at $20 a dozen)
worth of golf balls, saving $45.
Susan
internut
Susan's right, but Jag's post does pose the question, is there really a
significant difference between distances flown by range balls versus 'real'
balls?
JoePete
From what I can tell there is a difference. Many range balls are just one-piece
construction. Durable as hell, but little spin, less feel and not quite the
distance of new top of the line ball.
Moreover, I'd never trust the yardages at a range anyway. You're better off
tracking your shots on the course. It takes a little longer and requires a
little record keeping, but you will be the better for it.
Jag
shafted clubs. Nice try but I bet that you have top of the line clubs and
use extremely high quality balls on the course. Dont be such a devils
advocate and disagree so quickly.
Mike Malecki <ak...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> wrote in message
news:72get1$lfv$1...@mohawk.hwcn.org...
>Jag (ma...@pacifier.com) wrote:
>: I have an Idea. A range that didn't use range balls. I'd pay a little
extra
>: to have a range where I could hit real Titleists, not the Range-Flites
with
>: stripes on them. Just think as opposed to $6-7 a bucket pay $11-15 a
bucket
>: and hit real balls , I'd pay for that privilege. Think about it, you pay
>: $36-45 for 12 golf balls and possibly loose them because you were not
used
>: to the spin rate, or it flew 125y where a range ball went 105y. If you
paid
>: $11 just to hit 40 Titleist balls, wouldn't that be worth it?
>
Seth & Dee Dee Fuller
Politics: Poli meaning many, tics meaning blood sucking parasites.
Seth
Seth & Dee Dee Fuller
inexperienced golfers are with me is that we all agree on a double-par score
on each hole. If you go over the double-par and are still in the fairway
just pick it up and drop it on the green and make a few putts for fun.
Don't be discouraged by not being able to get under the double-par it will
come with time. This usually helps speed up play a bit and everyone has
fun.
I response to slow play I really detest people who rush me around, usually
its not the group behind me but if I get paired with those who are in a big
hurry. I cant stand this. Hey I paid my green fee, IN CASH!
Seth
Seth & Dee Dee Fuller
about $1.65/lb., that would make your 2 around $5 us., only slightly cheaper
and I know of plenty of places in Texas where I can go hit balls for $5
Seth
internut
Seth & Dee Dee Fuller wrote in message
<72lefc$5...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
I agree, I hate being rushed by my own group - especially when there's no
reason for it. But the main thing
is that it's self-defeating - you get rushed, you play worse (at least I
do), you start hitting it into the woods and
have to search for your ball...it's a downward spiral.
The best golf I ever play is when I'm a single and there's no one behind me.
Birdies, pars, 1 overs...life is grand -
then I make the mistake of saying yes when the group ahead asks me if I want
to play through. Sigh.