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Alan Baker

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Apr 27, 2013, 2:49:48 PM4/27/13
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Got my first golf of the year in yesterday evening; played 9 with a
buddy at 6:45.

For barely having touched a club--I think I've hit balls 3 times since I
finished playing last year, and for almost NO short game or putting
practice, I was pretty pleased with a 43 (par 35).

8 bogies and a par at the last, but I was only really in a bad place off
the tee twice and I hit half the fairways and was on or less than 5'
from the green on 5 holes.

The things I've been thinking about in my swing--concentrate first on
rotating the torso, and then firing the right hand down at the ball from
the inside--seem to be working pretty well.

Given that working on and racing an open-wheel race car are going to
take up a lot of valuable golf time, I'm happy to discover that I can
perhaps play decently on relatively little practice.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Carbon

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Apr 27, 2013, 7:50:33 PM4/27/13
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:49:48 -0700, Alan Baker wrote:

> Got my first golf of the year in yesterday evening; played 9 with a
> buddy at 6:45.
>
> For barely having touched a club--I think I've hit balls 3 times since I
> finished playing last year, and for almost NO short game or putting
> practice, I was pretty pleased with a 43 (par 35).
>
> 8 bogies and a par at the last, but I was only really in a bad place off
> the tee twice and I hit half the fairways and was on or less than 5'
> from the green on 5 holes.
>
> The things I've been thinking about in my swing--concentrate first on
> rotating the torso, and then firing the right hand down at the ball from
> the inside--seem to be working pretty well.
>
> Given that working on and racing an open-wheel race car are going to
> take up a lot of valuable golf time, I'm happy to discover that I can
> perhaps play decently on relatively little practice.

Wow, with any luck you'll be almost as good as Larry soon.

Alan Baker

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Apr 27, 2013, 11:30:22 PM4/27/13
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In article <pan.2013.04...@nospam.tampabay.rr.com>,
I can only hope!

:-D

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Apr 28, 2013, 9:01:50 PM4/28/13
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Larry takes lessons and then does the drills to ingrain correct positions and movements. So there is really really good reason to expect that Larry will have a correct golf swing. He will drive it down the middle and hit the greens from that lie. Larry learned everything using that same method.

That is WORLDs different from just swinging a golf club with no real concept of where the club is or where it should be.

Larry

Alan Baker

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Apr 28, 2013, 10:31:17 PM4/28/13
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In article <2abc7ab7-ed10-4888...@googlegroups.com>,
Larry has also claimed on numerous occasions to have already master the
skills he comes back time and time again to tell us he has now
mastered...

>
> That is WORLDs different from just swinging a golf club with no real concept
> of where the club is or where it should be.

There is a WORLD of difference between you IMAGINING you are the only
one who can possibly learn to do it...

...and those of use who already can.

BAR

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Apr 29, 2013, 8:11:17 AM4/29/13
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says...
Larry if you had any athletic ability you wouldn't need all of the coaching. I have a
neighbor who has a positive handicap and his son has a mid single digit handicap at the age
of 13.

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 1:03:17 PM4/29/13
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In article <MPG.2be82d744...@news.giganews.com>,
Larry's life consists of trying to prove to the world--well, actually
himself--that he's somehow better than everyone else. Hence the
fantasies about his golf game, his business, etc.

But his problem is that it has long since become obvious that he cannot
PLAY golf as well as he claims. So he's now been reduced to trying to
demonstrate is supposed superiority by talking about how he is more
dedicated to IMPROVING his game than the rest of us plebes.

Does this sound familiar:

"Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR include:[1]


-->Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation

Taking advantage of others to reach own goals

-->Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and talents

-->Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power,
intelligence, or romance

-->Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others

Becoming jealous easily

Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others

-->Being obsessed with self

Pursuing mainly selfish goals

Trouble keeping healthy relationships

Becoming easily hurt and rejected

-->Setting goals that are unrealistic

Wanting "the best" of everything

Appearing unemotional"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder>

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Apr 29, 2013, 5:58:48 PM4/29/13
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Everyone has a friend or neighbor reportedly with such talent. Funny it is never first hand information, but a report of a rumor of a report. But when we actually play with the kid, he shoots 100+ and throws clubs.

I started golfing at age 60 with a badly damaged lead leg knee. But I became a competent golfer by doing enough PT to stabilize my knee and strengthen my core. I took lessons to learn to swing correctly, to hit the ball down the middle from the tees and to the greens from the fairway. I can even putt a little because I do it exactly right, having taken putting lessons too.

I learned to play guitar and piano and French and some Spanish the same way I learned nuclear physics. I took lessons and then I did the homework instead of vegging out in front of a TV. I used my time efficiently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmsmbKI_K3I

Here's mine in super slow motion. Lets see yours

Larry

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:11:36 PM4/29/13
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In article <4821e4ae-f81a-48a2...@googlegroups.com>,
Sounds more like what YOU would do...

...and explains why you've never let ANYONE see you actually play.

>
> I started golfing at age 60 with a badly damaged lead leg knee.

And almost immediately started bragging about how you'd got your
handicap down to single digit by hitting "fairways and greens" (even
though now you claim it was because you played good "recovery golf".

> But I became
> a competent golfer by doing enough PT to stabilize my knee and strengthen my
> core. I took lessons to learn to swing correctly, to hit the ball down the
> middle from the tees and to the greens from the fairway. I can even putt a
> little because I do it exactly right, having taken putting lessons too.

How many times in the past have you claimed to have achieved the goal of
"all the fairways", Larry? Shall we have an actual count?

Because once we examine the number of times you've lied about it in the
past, it will illuminate the likelihood that you're lying about it now...

...won't it?



>
> I learned to play guitar and piano and French and some Spanish the same way I
> learned nuclear physics. I took lessons and then I did the homework instead
> of vegging out in front of a TV. I used my time efficiently.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmsmbKI_K3I
>
> Here's mine in super slow motion. Lets see yours

Let's (short for "let us"; only an ill-educated boob would make that
sort of mistake, right Larry?) see yours...

...on a course...

...in the match to which you challenged me.

We can video the entire thing and it should be a good laugh for everyone.

:-)

(Greg: Larry inserted himself into MY thread. I think I get a free pass
on this one. :-) )

JohnO

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:13:49 PM4/29/13
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!

In addition to having a horrible knock-kneed swing, all moving parts going in different directions and weight transfer all over the place, you DUFFED it about 10 feet!

So much for hitting the fairways. You can't even get it past the ladies tee!

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:16:53 PM4/29/13
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In article <b8f497aa-6346-4cb0...@googlegroups.com>,
I'll give him one little thing, John.

That WAS a slow motion playback of a slow motion rehearsal swing; the
ball was not meant to go anywhere.

But what is hilarious is that he posts that awful set of moves as if it
was something that anyone would want to emulate.

He fakes himself up onto the toe of his back foot as he fakes his knee
forward while thrust his lead hip UP rather than around and putting it
AHEAD of his lead foot.

:-)

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:25:25 PM4/29/13
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Lets see yours. Harvey Penick has his golf team swing even slower than this, no ball necessary. I put a ball down only to ensure that I return the clubhead to and through its starting point.

This is MUCH harder than it looks. If you do it, have someone put the analysis marks on your head, your back knee, and your butt. Shoot it from front and back. I suspect that you can't put the club on plane and in the correct positions at any speed.

Larry

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:29:37 PM4/29/13
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Wow! Look at the lost of posts. In this and many other threads, Alan Baker makes every other post. That is thousands of posts every day in several forums! What a waste! Not there was ever any talent or ability to waste, he dropped out of school and now at age 50, he lives on his mother in a tiny flat in Vancouver. What will become of AB when he mother dies? Who will support Alan Baker? Should we all chip in?

larry

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:33:43 PM4/29/13
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In article <0d35b877-a2f8-4d38...@googlegroups.com>,
Yet another statement you can't support...

...and I'm betting he had them do it a lot better than you do it.

> no ball necessary. I put a ball down only to ensure that I return the
> clubhead to and through its starting point.
>
> This is MUCH harder than it looks. If you do it, have someone put the
> analysis marks on your head, your back knee, and your butt. Shoot it from
> front and back. I suspect that you can't put the club on plane and in the
> correct positions at any speed.

I suspect that JohnO can beat you on the course...

...but that's not really saying much.

:-)

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:34:41 PM4/29/13
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In article <c228cdba-63d3-4e8a...@googlegroups.com>,
Really? "Thousands"?

> forums! What a waste! Not there was ever any talent or ability to waste, he
> dropped out of school and now at age 50, he lives on his mother in a tiny
> flat in Vancouver. What will become of AB when he mother dies? Who will
> support Alan Baker? Should we all chip in?

LOL

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:37:53 PM4/29/13
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> > Lets see yours. Harvey Penick has his golf team swing even slower than
> > this, no ball necessary. I put a ball down only to ensure that I return
> > the clubhead to and through its starting point.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is MUCH harder than it looks. If you do it, have someone put the
> > analysis marks on your head, your back knee, and your butt. Shoot it from
> > front and back. I suspect that you can't put the club on plane and in the
> > correct positions at any speed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry
>
> Wow! Look at the lost of posts. In this and many other threads, Alan Baker
> makes every other post. That is thousands of posts every day in several
> forums! What a waste! Not there was ever any talent or ability to waste, he
> dropped out of school and now at age 50, he lives on his mother in a tiny
> flat in Vancouver. What will become of AB when he mother dies? Who will
> support Alan Baker? Should we all chip in?

"If you feel froggy, come on out to California. I will play you $100 a
hole-- My Handicap is 11.5 now. Going down fast, better hurry."

Accepted. A straight up match.

What day is good for you?

:-)

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 6:55:51 PM4/29/13
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> > Larry if you had any athletic ability you wouldn't need all of the
> > coaching. I have a
> >
> > neighbor who has a positive handicap and his son has a mid single digit
> > handicap at the age
> >
> > of 13.
>
> Everyone has a friend or neighbor reportedly with such talent. Funny it is
> never first hand information, but a report of a rumor of a report. But when
> we actually play with the kid, he shoots 100+ and throws clubs.
>
> I started golfing at age 60 with a badly damaged lead leg knee. But I became
> a competent golfer by doing enough PT to stabilize my knee and strengthen my
> core. I took lessons to learn to swing correctly, to hit the ball down the
> middle from the tees and to the greens from the fairway. I can even putt a
> little because I do it exactly right, having taken putting lessons too.

Do you recall this, Larry:

"Sorry, but I have lost my awe of the game. I really expect to shoot in
the 70s from now on. The curtain has been lifted; there is no mystery
anymore. I often make birdies--in fact I putt for birdie on all par 5s
and some par 4s. It really isn't that hard for me now--from the white
tees. I can hit it well over 260 and sometimes near 300 with driver, I
often play driver-SW on our short par 4s. I was a high handicapper for
3 years; I became super accurate with SW. I can hit medium and even
long irons to a target, I can chip it close and I can make nearly every
6' foot putt. I have worked my butt off learning these skills. I have
them down pat. I have learned to manage the course to best advantage
of my skills. Duhh, what else is there? "

So...

We all know by now that all of that was a lie, don't we?

The guy who says he started playing in... ...2000, wasn't it...

...the guy who says he was an 18 handicap in 2002.

...the guy who now admits this game is pretty hard to master...

...was talking about how he was going to shoot in the 70s forever more
only 28 months after saying he was an 18.

And you wonder why people have a problem with your credibility.

And no, Larry: I don't have a "catalog" of your posts.

I have Google Groups and a man so arrogant and narcissistic that the
very thought that he should add "X-No-Archive: Yes" to all the posts he
ever made to prevent his lies from coming back to bite him in the ass.

:-)



>
> I learned to play guitar and piano and French and some Spanish the same way I

Let's see a video of your guitar and piano playing.

Let's hear your French and Spanish.

jay birdsong

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Apr 29, 2013, 7:07:09 PM4/29/13
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-E793A...@news.shawcable.net...

Got my first golf of the year in yesterday evening; played 9 with a
buddy at 6:45.

For barely having touched a club--I think I've hit balls 3 times since
I
finished playing last year, and for almost NO short game or putting
practice, I was pretty pleased with a 43 (par 35).

8 bogies and a par at the last, but I was only really in a bad place
off
the tee twice and I hit half the fairways and was on or less than 5'
from the green on 5 holes.

The things I've been thinking about in my swing--concentrate first on
rotating the torso, and then firing the right hand down at the ball
from
the inside--seem to be working pretty well.

Given that working on and racing an open-wheel race car are going to
take up a lot of valuable golf time, I'm happy to discover that I can
perhaps play decently on relatively little practice.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah - you're great. 8 Bogies in nine holes. Loogout Tiger!!
BWAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Horses ass.

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 7:10:26 PM4/29/13
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In article <klmu8n$psp$1...@dont-email.me>,
Any time you want to step up to the plate, Michael...

...or has lending your brother $1K left you too poor to play golf as
well?

:-(

jay birdsong

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Apr 29, 2013, 7:10:43 PM4/29/13
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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-258F8...@news.shawcable.net...

But his problem is that it has long since become obvious that he
cannot
PLAY golf as well as he claims. So he's now been reduced to trying to
demonstrate is supposed superiority by talking about how he is more
dedicated to IMPROVING his game than the rest of us plebes.

Does this sound familiar:

"Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR include:[1]


-->Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation

Taking advantage of others to reach own goals

-->Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and talents

-->Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power,
intelligence, or romance

-->Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others

Becoming jealous easily

Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others

-->Being obsessed with self

Pursuing mainly selfish goals

Trouble keeping healthy relationships

Becoming easily hurt and rejected

-->Setting goals that are unrealistic

Wanting "the best" of everything

Appearing unemotional"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder>

****************************************************************

Fits you to a T. Too bad you're such an insecure egomaniac you can't
see it. God your pathetic. It must suck to be you.

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 7:11:06 PM4/29/13
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In article <klmufc$qun$1...@dont-email.me>,
LOL!

JohnO

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Apr 29, 2013, 8:29:16 PM4/29/13
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On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:25:25 UTC+12, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:13:49 PM UTC-7, JohnO wrote:
<snip>
>
> > So much for hitting the fairways. You can't even get it past the ladies tee!
>
> Lets see yours. Harvey Penick has his golf team swing even slower than this, no ball necessary. I put a ball down only to ensure that I return the clubhead to and through its starting point.
>

So it was a completely fake swing. Anyone can put the club in any position statically. Getting it right in an actual swing is way harder - even in a practice swing, and harder still in a proper swing at the ball in a competition match on an actual golf course.

And despite all that, your fake swing looks like shit.

Now I am just an average golfer. I don't go around handing out unqualified, unsolicited advice. But at least my swing doesn't hurt people's eyes. I miss lots of fairways. But then again I can hit it a decent distance which makes it harder to be accurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46aNvFqiaNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF7hIM6mU4

These swings have plenty of issues to resolve, but they are not a sequence of faked static positions. They are a dynamic flow from start to finish, with all the momentum and balance issues that involves. And I can tell you the ball made it off the end of the tee block.

The biggest issue I have is letting small, once fixed errors creep back into setup and grip. Same as almost all amateur golfers. None of that techno-crap that you like to babble on about.

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 8:41:57 PM4/29/13
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In article <75a74857-d2b4-45cb...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:25:25 UTC+12, la...@pivotforpower.com wrote:
> > On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:13:49 PM UTC-7, JohnO wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > > So much for hitting the fairways. You can't even get it past the ladies
> > > tee!
> >
> > Lets see yours. Harvey Penick has his golf team swing even slower than
> > this, no ball necessary. I put a ball down only to ensure that I return
> > the clubhead to and through its starting point.
> >
>
> So it was a completely fake swing. Anyone can put the club in any position
> statically. Getting it right in an actual swing is way harder - even in a
> practice swing, and harder still in a proper swing at the ball in a
> competition match on an actual golf course.

A completely fake swing for a complete fake.

:-)

But in fairness, there's nothing wrong with the concept of using slow
motion and/or static positions to help you realize where you're body
needs to be for some parts of the swing.

>
> And despite all that, your fake swing looks like shit.

...but, yeah, why you'd practice something that bad, I couldn't begin to
imagine.

:-)

>
> Now I am just an average golfer. I don't go around handing out unqualified,
> unsolicited advice. But at least my swing doesn't hurt people's eyes. I miss
> lots of fairways. But then again I can hit it a decent distance which makes
> it harder to be accurate.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46aNvFqiaNM
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF7hIM6mU4
>
> These swings have plenty of issues to resolve, but they are not a sequence of
> faked static positions. They are a dynamic flow from start to finish, with
> all the momentum and balance issues that involves. And I can tell you the
> ball made it off the end of the tee block.

It looks pretty sound, John. Decent setup, backswing looks alright...

...just a little bit of a chicken wing on the through swing.

What's your miss?

Oh, and I'd put my money on you over Larry straight up any day. Not that
Larry will ever let a single person who can report back on his play seem
him on a golf course.

:-)

>
> The biggest issue I have is letting small, once fixed errors creep back into
> setup and grip. Same as almost all amateur golfers. None of that techno-crap
> that you like to babble on about.

When I was playing my best, I spent a good portion of my time on the
range making every shot with a full pre-shot routine, and one of the
reasons for that was that it helped me make sure that every part of my
setup was very familiar to me. I don't know if you've tried that, but if
you haven't...

;-)

JohnO

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Apr 29, 2013, 8:58:30 PM4/29/13
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On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 12:41:57 UTC+12, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <75a74857-d2b4-45cb...@googlegroups.com>,
<snip>

> What's your miss?

I'm bleeding an awful lot of shots around the green. Not 3-putting, but not making enough putts and if I have to chip from anything but a perfect sitting up lie I am in grave danger!

Needless to say I am spending almost no time practicing the above. One of these days...

>
> Oh, and I'd put my money on you over Larry straight up any day. Not that
> Larry will ever let a single person who can report back on his play seem
> him on a golf course.

Its not even a match. You can hit balls all day on the range. You can even hit good shots on the range. But there's no substitute for getting used to the pressure of playing matches.

<snip>

>
> When I was playing my best, I spent a good portion of my time on the
> range making every shot with a full pre-shot routine, and one of the
> reasons for that was that it helped me make sure that every part of my
> setup was very familiar to me. I don't know if you've tried that, but if
> you haven't...

Nah, I just beat balls like a machine gun before I go out and play. Not ideal.

>

Scott Newell

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Apr 29, 2013, 9:07:05 PM4/29/13
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On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:57 PM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article <75a74857-d2b4-45cb...@googlegroups.com>,
>
> JohnO <johno1234@gm...> wrote:
> > Now I am just an average golfer. I don't go around handing out unqualified,
>
> > unsolicited advice. But at least my swing doesn't hurt people's eyes. I miss
>
> > lots of fairways. But then again I can hit it a decent distance which makes
>
> > it harder to be accurate.
>
> >
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46aNvFqiaNM
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF7hIM6mU4
>
> It looks pretty sound, John. Decent setup, backswing looks alright...
>
> ...just a little bit of a chicken wing on the through swing.
>
> What's your miss?

I'm guessing the hook (like yours truly) based on the slight outside/away from the body takeaway and narrow position at the top that I struggle with. Your clubface position at the top is much better than mine. You do drop it a bit too much to the inside on the transition (again, my malaise also), but you recover beautifully with the release. I don't see much chicken wing.

Great swing!

Golf isn't about perfect. The best players in the world still miss 20% of fairways and 25% of greens. Even Moe Norman probably missed a few in his day.

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 9:24:57 PM4/29/13
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In article <bfeca848-9d48-4346...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 12:41:57 UTC+12, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <75a74857-d2b4-45cb...@googlegroups.com>,
> <snip>
>
> > What's your miss?
>
> I'm bleeding an awful lot of shots around the green. Not 3-putting, but not
> making enough putts and if I have to chip from anything but a perfect sitting
> up lie I am in grave danger!
>
> Needless to say I am spending almost no time practicing the above. One of
> these days...

Yeah. I'm lucky in that I LIKE practicing the short game.

Once you get your contact issues dealt (and you can do it if I did!),
start bringing along something about as big as a washcloth to practice
your chipping. The idea is that you assess a practice chip and then put
the cloth down on the green where you believe you need to land the chip
to have it roll out to the hole. That way, you work on the accuracy of
the chip's execution as well as your judgement of flight and roll.

>
> >
> > Oh, and I'd put my money on you over Larry straight up any day. Not that
> > Larry will ever let a single person who can report back on his play seem
> > him on a golf course.
>
> Its not even a match. You can hit balls all day on the range. You can even
> hit good shots on the range. But there's no substitute for getting used to
> the pressure of playing matches.

The real pressure for Larry would be just having to deal with the
laughter that would inevitably follow each stroke. I mean, you can only
hold it in for so long.

:-)

>
> <snip>
>
> >
> > When I was playing my best, I spent a good portion of my time on the
> > range making every shot with a full pre-shot routine, and one of the
> > reasons for that was that it helped me make sure that every part of my
> > setup was very familiar to me. I don't know if you've tried that, but if
> > you haven't...
>
> Nah, I just beat balls like a machine gun before I go out and play. Not
> ideal.

Definitely not.

Practice like you play and it's much easier to play like you practice.

Alan Baker

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Apr 29, 2013, 9:27:06 PM4/29/13
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In article <07d5c179-1610-4af3...@googlegroups.com>,
Scott Newell <newell...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:41:57 PM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
> > In article <75a74857-d2b4-45cb...@googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > JohnO <johno1234@gm...> wrote:
> > > Now I am just an average golfer. I don't go around handing out
> > > unqualified,
> >
> > > unsolicited advice. But at least my swing doesn't hurt people's eyes. I
> > > miss
> >
> > > lots of fairways. But then again I can hit it a decent distance which
> > > makes
> >
> > > it harder to be accurate.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46aNvFqiaNM
> >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRF7hIM6mU4
> >
> > It looks pretty sound, John. Decent setup, backswing looks alright...
> >
> > ...just a little bit of a chicken wing on the through swing.
> >
> > What's your miss?
>
> I'm guessing the hook (like yours truly) based on the slight outside/away
> from the body takeaway and narrow position at the top that I struggle with.
> Your clubface position at the top is much better than mine. You do drop it a
> bit too much to the inside on the transition (again, my malaise also), but
> you recover beautifully with the release. I don't see much chicken wing.

I did say just a little bit. ;-)

And I think it's that little bit that prevents him from hooking.

>
> Great swing!
>
> Golf isn't about perfect. The best players in the world still miss 20% of
> fairways and 25% of greens. Even Moe Norman probably missed a few in his
> day.

But, but... ...Larry's TOLD us that his new technique has got him
hitting "all the fairways", Scott...

...just like the last couple of dozens times he told us.

la...@pivotforpower.com

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Those swings look good to me. Congrats.

If you have issues you want to resolve, swing even more slowly. You will need to really focus on your weight shift, hip turn and coordination of arms with hips. But those look fine fundamentally.

Larry

KenPitts

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John -

Not bad. I would like to see a little more bend from the waist at address. I would like to see your arms hanging straight down at addresss. You are reaching for the ball a bit. You are taking the club away somewhat outside. Needs to be right down the line. And your left arm is bowed at the top. Your motion looks good though. Last thing. Delay that release! Let your left hand lead the clubhead through the ball.

Ken

JohnO

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On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 13:07:05 UTC+12, Scott Newell wrote:
<snip>
> > What's your miss?
>
> I'm guessing the hook (like yours truly) based on the slight outside/away from the body takeaway and narrow position at the top that I struggle with. Your clubface position at the top is much better than mine. You do drop it a bit too much to the inside on the transition (again, my malaise also), but you recover beautifully with the release. I don't see much chicken wing.

Wow, you've got a good eye. I've been battling a hook all my golfing life. I'm trying to take it away outside/not drop it inside with varying success.

But I have made just a tiny teensy adjustment to weaken my *left* hand grip (only top knuckle visible) and now I am hitting some magnificent high power fades. One of the smallest changes I ever made for one of the biggest results. Astonishing.
>
> Great swing!
>
> Golf isn't about perfect. The best players in the world still miss 20% of fairways and 25% of greens. Even Moe Norman probably missed a few in his day.

Yeah. Look at the PGA tour stats. PGA Tour averages for GIR only 65% and driving accuracy only 60% - makes a mockery of Larry's "hitting all the fairways and greens". Now look at the stats for up and down from the fringe - around 90% !!!

Alan Baker

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In article <ba719d80-c039-4f7a...@googlegroups.com>,
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 30 April 2013 13:07:05 UTC+12, Scott Newell wrote:
> <snip>
> > > What's your miss?
> >
> > I'm guessing the hook (like yours truly) based on the slight outside/away
> > from the body takeaway and narrow position at the top that I struggle with.
> > Your clubface position at the top is much better than mine. You do drop
> > it a bit too much to the inside on the transition (again, my malaise also),
> > but you recover beautifully with the release. I don't see much chicken
> > wing.
>
> Wow, you've got a good eye. I've been battling a hook all my golfing life.
> I'm trying to take it away outside/not drop it inside with varying success.
>
> But I have made just a tiny teensy adjustment to weaken my *left* hand grip
> (only top knuckle visible) and now I am hitting some magnificent high power
> fades. One of the smallest changes I ever made for one of the biggest
> results. Astonishing.

Yeah. That's where I was going with my original comment. It looked a
little to me like you might have been compensating for a swing that
could turn into a hook.

> >
> > Great swing!
> >
> > Golf isn't about perfect. The best players in the world still miss 20% of
> > fairways and 25% of greens. Even Moe Norman probably missed a few in his
> > day.
>
> Yeah. Look at the PGA tour stats. PGA Tour averages for GIR only 65% and
> driving accuracy only 60% - makes a mockery of Larry's "hitting all the
> fairways and greens". Now look at the stats for up and down from the fringe -
> around 90% !!!

Yup.

Do I want to hit "all the fairways and all the greens" (just like Larry:
Ha!)? Sure.

But in my 9 holes on Friday, I only hit 3 fairways and 2 greens
(although given that 2 other greens were "missed" by less than 5 feet
total, and on the correct side to give me an uphill putt, I'd call them
both hitting my target, which is the more important thing) and I still
could easily have scored close to par if my chipping and putting had
been up to mid-season form.

And last time I checked, there's no place on a scorecard to record
fairways or greens hit; just the score.

:-)

Dene

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Apr 30, 2013, 1:56:31 AM4/30/13
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Bingo!

Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 1:57:15 AM4/30/13
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In article
<e94dede6-6d6a-4829...@pl9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
LOL

I love that you'll suck up to the very worst of the scum of the
internet...

jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-D51F6...@news.shawcable.net...
The thanks I get for playing with a worthless loser with insecurity
issues!


And your statement encompasses:

Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation.

Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and talents.

Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others.

Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others.

Being obsessed with self.

Becoming easily hurt and rejected.



You will be seeing a lot more of your "list" in our upcoming chats,
Loser.

Were you looking in a mirror when all those issues popped into your
head?

God, it must really suck to be you.



bkn...@conramp.net

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Apr 30, 2013, 8:43:57 AM4/30/13
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:56:31 -0700 (PDT), Dene <gds...@aol.com>
wrote:
Oh, you mean he wasn't describing Bert? :-)

jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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???

First you want me to fly 1200 miles to race you at Sebring.

Now you want me to fly 2500 miles to golf with you?

Looks like you really don't wan to play, Loser. Your all hat.

But feel free to visit my back yard. I'll show you my game.

Keep baying at the moon, Mutt.

>:-(

oIo


jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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My goodness,

Larry really got your panties all bunched up.

You must have been banging those keys in a mad frenzy.

Three responses to the same post in three minutes!!!

And all those returns!!

You can't buy comedy this good.

jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation......from
Baker list



>And I think it's that little bit that prevents him from hooking.

>
> Great swing!
>
> Golf isn't about perfect. The best players in the world still miss
> 20% of
> fairways and 25% of greens. Even Moe Norman probably missed a few
> in his
> day.

>But, but... ...Larry's TOLD us that his new technique has got him
>hitting "all the fairways", Scott...


Taking advantage of others to reach own goals....................from
Baker list



>...just like the last couple of dozens times he told us.

Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of
others...............................from Baker list

>;-)

oIo

Fucking Mutt.

snip cunt sig

jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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In article <4821e4ae-f81a-48a2...@googlegroups.com>,
"la...@pivotforpower.com" <la...@pivotforpower.com> wrote:

> > Larry if you had any athletic ability you wouldn't need all of the
> > coaching. I have a
> >
> > neighbor who has a positive handicap and his son has a mid single
> > digit
> > handicap at the age
> >
> > of 13.
>
> Everyone has a friend or neighbor reportedly with such talent.
> Funny it is
> never first hand information, but a report of a rumor of a report.
> But when
> we actually play with the kid, he shoots 100+ and throws clubs.
>
> I started golfing at age 60 with a badly damaged lead leg knee. But
> I became
> a competent golfer by doing enough PT to stabilize my knee and
> strengthen my
> core. I took lessons to learn to swing correctly, to hit the ball
> down the
> middle from the tees and to the greens from the fairway. I can even
> putt a
> little because I do it exactly right, having taken putting lessons
> too.

>.Do you recall this, Larry:

>"Sorry, but I have lost my awe of the game. I really expect to shoot
>in
>the 70s from now on. The curtain has been lifted; there is no mystery
>anymore. I often make birdies--in fact I putt for birdie on all par
>5s
>and some par 4s. It really isn't that hard for me now--from the
>white
>tees. I can hit it well over 260 and sometimes near 300 with driver,
>I
>often play driver-SW on our short par 4s. I was a high handicapper
>for
>3 years; I became super accurate with SW. I can hit medium and even
>long irons to a target, I can chip it close and I can make nearly
>every
>6' foot putt. I have worked my butt off learning these skills. I
>have
>them down pat. I have learned to manage the course to best advantage
>of my skills. Duhh, what else is there? "

So obsessed you keep a catalogue of what people have said. You do it
all over Usenet, Loser.

God, it must suck to be you. No life, no wife, no job, old car, tiny,
roach infested apartment.



>And no, Larry: I don't have a "catalog" of your posts.

HOOT!!! Riiiight.

snip the obsessive cuntlike babble.

Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 11:23:13 AM4/30/13
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In article <kloavj$pia$1...@dont-email.me>,
LOL

>
>
>
> You will be seeing a lot more of your "list" in our upcoming chats,
> Loser.

Ooooh, really?

LOL

>
> Were you looking in a mirror when all those issues popped into your
> head?
>
> God, it must really suck to be you.

LOL

Dene

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Apr 30, 2013, 11:25:31 AM4/30/13
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On Apr 29, 10:57 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <e94dede6-6d6a-4829-bf28-44843d149...@pl9g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,

>
> I love that you'll suck up to the very worst of the scum of the
> internet...

Sorry...but I have never sucked up to you.

-Greg

Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 11:27:13 AM4/30/13
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In article <klolan$ks1$1...@dont-email.me>,
Nope. At the time, I still assumed you had your Florida home. I didn't
know you'd been forced to sell it. :-(

>
> Now you want me to fly 2500 miles to golf with you?
>
> Looks like you really don't wan to play, Loser. Your all hat.

Does it?

>
> But feel free to visit my back yard. I'll show you my game.

And where are you claiming that is this week? And how much are you
willing to put up?

>
> Keep baying at the moon, Mutt.
>
> >:-(
>
> oIo

Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 11:28:11 AM4/30/13
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In article <klom88$qhb$1...@dont-email.me>,
Really, Michael: you don't understand how Google Groups works?

:-)

Alan Baker

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Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 11:49:45 AM4/30/13
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In article <f8f0eb0d-dbd4-4035...@googlegroups.com>,
You sure you don't want to go on endlessly about how he is "LATE"?

:-)

>
> If you have issues you want to resolve, swing even more slowly. You will
> need to really focus on your weight shift, hip turn and coordination of arms
> with hips. But those look fine fundamentally.

Once again, you present what YOUR instructor is trying to do for YOUR
problems as if it was some sort of panacea...

MNMikeW

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Apr 30, 2013, 2:08:17 PM4/30/13
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Like there could be anyone lower than the DC from BC.

Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 2:23:34 PM4/30/13
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In article <auafkh...@mid.individual.net>,
LOL

bkn...@conramp.net

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Apr 30, 2013, 2:39:56 PM4/30/13
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There's one here that you seem to support.

Nashton

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Apr 30, 2013, 3:41:08 PM4/30/13
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On 2013-04-29 8:10 PM, jay birdsong wrote:
>
>
> "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-258F8...@news.shawcable.net...

What makes you think anyone cares about your private life and your hobbies?
Do you have no life outside this ng?




jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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>>ou sure you don't want to go on endlessly about how he is "LATE"?

>:-)

>
> If you have issues you want to resolve, swing even more slowly. You
> will
> need to really focus on your weight shift, hip turn and coordination
> of arms
> with hips. But those look fine fundamentally.

>Once again, you present what YOUR instructor is trying to do for YOUR
>problems as if it was some sort of panacea...

Why don't you go soak your head, Dick.

What's with your newsreader with all those excessive returns?

snip cunt sig.

jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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What we understand is; you have an extensive catalogue. Plain and
simple.

>:-)

oIo

Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and
talents....................from Baker List

Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power,
intelligence, or romance............................from Baker list

Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from
others........................from Baker List

Being obsessed with self........................from Baker List

snip cuntlike sig

jay birdsong

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"Alan Baker" wrote in message
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I never had a "Florida home". What ever gave you that idea?

Let me reiterate: I have many multiples of money than you have, or
ever will have. To me, you a indigent, sad, little (and I mean that
literally) worthless man. A nothing. A Zero. I would pity you if
you weren't such a scumbag.


> Now you want me to fly 2500 miles to golf with you?
>
> Looks like you really don't wan to play, Loser. Your all hat.

>"Does it?

Yes.

>
> But feel free to visit my back yard. I'll show you my game.

>And where are you claiming that is this week?

The Northeast. About 2500 miles from your miserable apartment.

> And how much are you
>willing to put up?

First. Do you intend to fly to my home town?

Then after I see your plane ticket, you can show your money.

But we all know how the bets you propose seem to vaporize, time after
time after time after time. You made sure they never happened and
will never happen. But you did lose that "C" note because you were a
dumb fuck.


>
> Keep baying at the moon, Mutt.
>
> >:-(
>
> oIo

snip cuntlike sig.

Flint

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Apr 30, 2013, 6:52:11 PM4/30/13
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Maybe he was earnestly expecting a "Seeya! Have a good time satiating
your mid-life crisis fueled interest! Bring us something back as a
souvenir, please!"???

--
MFB

Alan Baker

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In article <klp6o0$928$2...@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <na...@na.com>
wrote:

> On 2013-04-29 8:10 PM, jay birdsong wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Alan Baker" wrote in message
> > news:alangbaker-258F8...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> What makes you think anyone cares about your private life and your hobbies?

Hmmmm....

People post reports about their golf games on "rec.sport.golf" all the
time. You need to look to your fellow troll to figure out how this
thread ended up here.

> Do you have no life outside this ng?

So when you share with us how well you're supposed to be doing...

...like telling us all how you pulled all your savings out 2 weeks
before the crash...

...does that mean you have no life outside this newsgroup, hypocrite?

Alan Baker

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Apr 30, 2013, 10:20:43 PM4/30/13
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In article <klpbpg$33g$1...@dont-email.me>,
Come and make me, Michael!

>
> What's with your newsreader with all those excessive returns?

As anyone who cares to check and see, it's not my newsreader.

:-)
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