A Buffalo Bills fan laments...
Doug Evans - CIT Communication Systems
one and lost. It's really a hard pill to swallow. Not only will
all of us Bills fans have to endure the endless ranting and ravings
of the pompous NFC dickheads like Ed Lor, we will also have to ride
out the ridiculous "choker" labelling of the Bills by the media.
Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
worst football in the Superbowl, I mean 9 turnovers? When was the
last time we saw them do that?
The Superbowl is a weird thing. There is just too much of a
"production" value to it. My brother and I were looking at each
other with the inevitable "Huh?" expression so familiar to Bills
fans watching the Superbowl, at a time during the game when the
refs were measuring for a Dallas first down. The chain gang
actually leaned the pole in favor of Dallas. They did it several
times. I mean, little things like that make you wonder about what
is really going on at the Superbowl.
It just seems to me that the game has grown in the past ten years
beyond what the small market teams can handle. I really think the
NFL has to think about what the Superbowl is becoming. It is not
an environment that small market teams like Buffalo, Cleveland,
Denver, Minnesota or Cincinnatti can easily adjust to. I don't
even think that Pittsburgh could handle it as it is now. When they
fielded those great teams of the 70's, they were still helping
to build the mystique of the Superbowl. The BIG NFC "powerhouses"
can adjust to it more easily because their experience during the
regular season is more similiar to the hoopla they face in the
Superbowl.
The Bills play Dallas next year in Dallas. Watch them go in
there and beat them the way they did the 49er's and Saints
this year and the Giants and Philly in previous years. They
can compete with these teams, just not in the Superbowl. It's
really pathetic.
As for what the Bills need to do now:
I'm sorry guys, Corey needs to go. He should have been gone
last year. We still have guys like J.D. Williams and Shane
Conlan acting like stiffs, and nothing is being done about it.
Walt Corey takes several months to react to game situations.
There were only two notable exceptions this season. With the
amount of talent that defense has, it should come up bigger in
the big game.
Marv Levy needs to get a pair of balls. I say this in regards
to Jim Kelly. I have been a *huge* Kelly supporter in the past,
but even I can recognize when Jimbo is slipping in a big way.
He hasn't played well since mid-season, yet Marv just keeps
banging his head against the wall with him. Sink or swim, we're
going with Jim. Example: The INT Kelly threw on 4th and 1
from the goal line was a total misread on his part. The Cowboys
went into a nickel and were expecting the play-action fake. He
should have audibled a handoff to Kenneth Davis to the weak side,
but instead he stuck with the designed play and forced a
ridiculous pass. I can go on and on about Kelly's problems lately
with things like looking off his receivers and the ability to
execute a rollout. It's all basic quarterbacking problems, and
I just can't understand why Levy didn't do something about these
problems 8 or 9 weeks ago.
I guess it really doesn't matter. The Bills are just one of
those teams that aren't capable of winning the Superbowl. I
can tell you endless stories about what a great bunch of guys
they are, but in the end, it just doesn't amount to a Superbowl
win. Superbowls are meant to be won by the teams that most
of America likes to root for. Teams like the 49er's, Giants,
Cowboys and Redskins. Teams like the Bills are considered some
side attraction, but they just don't generate the market share.
Oh well....I guess I need to just sit back and try to deal
with this as best I can. I took two days off of work in
anticipation of either a post-victory party or a post-defeat
depression.
Doesn't it suck Bills fans? Don't you just wish that for once
your dreams would come true? Why does the NFL have such a
magnetic effect on our psyche every year, so much so that we
put everything on the Bills winning the Superbowl?
I think what I'm going to do, just to make myself feel better,
is to carry on a year long flame war with Ed Lor. :)
*sigh*
Doug
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Wisp
[lots of drivel...]
>
>The Superbowl is a weird thing. There is just too much of a
>"production" value to it. My brother and I were looking at each
>other with the inevitable "Huh?" expression so familiar to Bills
>fans watching the Superbowl, at a time during the game when the
>refs were measuring for a Dallas first down. The chain gang
>actually leaned the pole in favor of Dallas. They did it several
>times. I mean, little things like that make you wonder about what
>is really going on at the Superbowl.
>
Umm, it's the point where the marker pole is on the ground that counts, you
know, the bit where the chain is attached. If you laid the markers all the way
in favour of the offense, it would make a difference of about a millimeter
(or about 1/25th of an inch for the unit-impaired). Anyway, don't we all know
that the officials caused all those turnovers and big plays? (While we're
at it, Reich was past the line of scrimmage when he threw the last
touchdown pass for the Bills, and Beebe was too late breaking up that runback,
the ball was past the plane...).
>It just seems to me that the game has grown in the past ten years
>beyond what the small market teams can handle. I really think the
>NFL has to think about what the Superbowl is becoming. It is not
>an environment that small market teams like Buffalo, Cleveland,
>Denver, Minnesota or Cincinnatti can easily adjust to. I don't
>even think that Pittsburgh could handle it as it is now. When they
>fielded those great teams of the 70's, they were still helping
>to build the mystique of the Superbowl. The BIG NFC "powerhouses"
>can adjust to it more easily because their experience during the
>regular season is more similiar to the hoopla they face in the
>Superbowl.
>
Bullshit. You have a team of self-inflated losers who can't handle the
big-time.
[lots of sensible comment deleted...]
Raving over, a lot of sympathy is due the Bills. My team (the 'Skins) too,
because they've got to play in the same division with Dallas...
The Wisp.
Joel Quejada
>So here I sit. The third time in a row my team has been in the big
>one and lost. It's really a hard pill to swallow. Not only will
>all of us Bills fans have to endure the endless ranting and ravings
>of the pompous NFC dickheads like Ed Lor, we will also have to ride
>out the ridiculous "choker" labelling of the Bills by the media.
>
>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
>worst football in the Superbowl, I mean 9 turnovers? When was the
>last time we saw them do that?
>
Well, they've never faced a solid defense like Dallas has, so, I guess
you're right, the Bills have never played a game this badly!
>The Superbowl is a weird thing. There is just too much of a
>"production" value to it. My brother and I were looking at each
>other with the inevitable "Huh?" expression so familiar to Bills
>fans watching the Superbowl, at a time during the game when the
>refs were measuring for a Dallas first down. The chain gang
>actually leaned the pole in favor of Dallas. They did it several
>times. I mean, little things like that make you wonder about what
>is really going on at the Superbowl.
>
Leaned the pole in favor of Dallas? How can this possibly happen? As far
as I know the chain is connected to the bottom of the pole. The nose of
the ball is probably 3 inches or so from the ground. Simple trigonometric
calculations will tell you that leaning the pole will not make that much
difference!
>It just seems to me that the game has grown in the past ten years
>beyond what the small market teams can handle. I really think the
>NFL has to think about what the Superbowl is becoming. It is not
>an environment that small market teams like Buffalo, Cleveland,
>Denver, Minnesota or Cincinnatti can easily adjust to. I don't
>even think that Pittsburgh could handle it as it is now. When they
>fielded those great teams of the 70's, they were still helping
>to build the mystique of the Superbowl. The BIG NFC "powerhouses"
>can adjust to it more easily because their experience during the
>regular season is more similiar to the hoopla they face in the
>Superbowl.
>
So now all of a sudden, the supposed Super Bowl experience that Buffalo
has is no big deal?
>The Bills play Dallas next year in Dallas. Watch them go in
>there and beat them the way they did the 49er's and Saints
>this year and the Giants and Philly in previous years. They
>can compete with these teams, just not in the Superbowl. It's
>really pathetic.
>
We'll see....
[rest of stuff deleted]
Joel Quejada
jeffrey imes
>In article <C1r9D...@acsu.buffalo.edu> ev...@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Communication Systems) writes:
[...Doug's comment about small-market teams inability to deal with SB pressure
deleted to save bandwidth...]
>Bullshit. You have a team of self-inflated losers who can't handle the
>big-time.
Now come on. Was that called for? Use your brain before you open your mouth.
The only inflated team at Pasadena Sunday won the game. The Bills were so
concentrated before the game. No trash talking. No casual media jokes. None
of the inflated egos we've seen in the past. Wish I could say the same for
Dallas. I watched ESPN for about 4-5 hours after the game. The Bills were
shell-shocked again. Thurman was beside himself. Bruce Smith didn't know what
to say, but I would hardly consider them inable to handle the big time. They
successfully picked apart Miami twice under heavy media pressure, were able to
beat S.F. at Candlestick in another heavily pressured game, the list goes on.
And you want to talk about ego-inflation? What about the Dallass defensive guy
who got caught dancing before he walked into the end-zone by Don Beebe? Now
that's beyond excusable. I hope Jimmy Johnson gives him a big sh!t-sandwich
for the only real embarrassing moment of the Cowboys victory.
Still reeling from the effects...
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Matt Shostak
>In article <1993Feb1.1...@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, jo...@dseg.ti.com writes...
>>Well, they've never faced a solid defense like Dallas has, so, I guess
>>you're right, the Bills have never played a game this badly!
>
>
>What about in 1990 when they played the Parcells' coached Giants in
>the Meadowlands and *won*? Or the same year when they beat the vaunted
>defense of the Eagles?
>
>How about the NFC POWERHOUSE SAINTS DEFENSE(tm) from this season? The
>Bills beat them in the Superdome.
>
>Did you see any of these games? I certainly did. The Bills played
>awesome, NFC caliber physical football and came out winners. Put
>them in the two week long HyperBowl and they freak. It's something
>that only a great coach can figure out how to deal with.
>
>>Leaned the pole in favor of Dallas? How can this possibly happen? As far
>>as I know the chain is connected to the bottom of the pole. The nose of
>>the ball is probably 3 inches or so from the ground. Simple trigonometric
>>calculations will tell you that leaning the pole will not make that much
>>difference!
>
>Ed Lor-esque type of analysis. We just noticed that on at least two
>occasions the chain gang was noticeably leaning the poles in Dallas'
>favor. There's no doubt that it made no difference. It's just one
>of the oddest things I've ever seen in a big game like this. Did
>the guy have too much to drink the night before? He probably was
>leaning it to pull the chain as taught as possible. Who knows?
>
>It just looked strange as hell.
I thought I saw something like this. I was cheering for Dallas, but
on one occasion, it looked clear to me that they wer short by about an inch
or two. Then, from another camera angle, the guy leans the pole a bit
and the ref signals first down. I didn't think much of it at the time, but
I agree, it looked strange as hell.
>
>
>Doug
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> What about the Dallas defensive guy
>who got caught dancing before he walked into the end-zone by Don Beebe? Now
>that's beyond excusable. I hope Jimmy Johnson gives him a big sh!t-sandwich
>for the only real embarrassing moment of the Cowboys victory.
I think you can guarantee it.
Ted Rothe
>im...@cis.ohio-state.edu (jeffrey imes) writes:
I don't think that he'll hear too much from JJ, personally. Afterall, the
media will almost certainly have fun with him, and he probably feels bad
about it as it is. Also, their's the fact that he did force TWO fumbles
during the game. I was more impressed with Beebe, he showed that he was
still playing hard and not giving up.
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Doug Evans - CIT Communication Systems
>I thought I saw something like this. I was cheering for Dallas, but
>on one occasion, it looked clear to me that they wer short by about an inch
>or two. Then, from another camera angle, the guy leans the pole a bit
>and the ref signals first down. I didn't think much of it at the time, but
>I agree, it looked strange as hell.
I'm glad someone else noticed this. It seemed to be happening while the
game was still close. Very strange.
MJW/TWF
>In article <1993Feb1.1...@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, jo...@dseg.ti.com writes...
>Ed Lor-esque type of analysis. We just noticed that on at least two
>occasions the chain gang was noticeably leaning the poles in Dallas'
>favor. There's no doubt that it made no difference. It's just one
>of the oddest things I've ever seen in a big game like this. Did
>the guy have too much to drink the night before? He probably was
>leaning it to pull the chain as taught as possible. Who knows?
I will give you the fact that two of the measurements were closer than
I've ever seen. But leaning the chain Dallas' way? I would take that
to mean that the chain gang was leaning the top of the pole towards
the Dallas huddle (away from the ball), right?
Seriously, I was definitely somewhat fearful of the outcome of this
game. Aikman had not proven himself to me during the season the way
Staubach did. However, I'm a firm believer now.
And leave Lett alone - I think he's probably the most underrated guy
on the line. Besides, I guarantee that's something he will NEVER do
again.
Mark
Go Dallas
Floyd Goodrich
>
>And leave Lett alone - I think he's probably the most underrated guy
>on the line. Besides, I guarantee that's something he will NEVER do
>again.
Isn;t it a sad comment on how competitive the Super Bowl was that this is
singled out as Dallas' worst play of the game? I mean, some replay angles
almost made it look like he scored.
One good thing about this for Dallas fans: a play like this might be just
humiliating enough to keep them focused and (relatively) level-headed next
year. Memories of Lett's almost-TD-turned-to-absolute-embarassment-in-front-
of-100-million-fans might leave them with some touch of humility. Then
again, maybe not. You can bet that JJ will not allow them to lose their
heads or swagger too much next year.
Floyd Goodrich
flo...@oakhill.sps.mot.com
Don Pajerek
>In article 8...@acsu.buffalo.edu, ev...@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Doug Evans - CIT Communication Systems) writes:
>>So here I sit. The third time in a row my team has been in the big
>>one and lost. It's really a hard pill to swallow. Not only will
>>all of us Bills fans have to endure the endless ranting and ravings
>>of the pompous NFC dickheads like Ed Lor, we will also have to ride
>>out the ridiculous "choker" labelling of the Bills by the media.
>>
>>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
>>worst football in the Superbowl, I mean 9 turnovers? When was the
>>last time we saw them do that?
>>
>
>Well, they've never faced a solid defense like Dallas has, so, I guess
>you're right, the Bills have never played a game this badly!
>
Wrong. The Bills played the Saints in NO this season and won.
>Joel Quejada
Don Pajerek
Standard disclaimers apply.
James Scott
|> ... at a time during the game when the refs were measuring for a
|> Dallas first down. The chain gang actually leaned the pole in
|> favor of Dallas. They did it several times. I mean, little
|> things like that make you wonder about what is really going on
|> at the Superbowl.
oh my god! this is TOO GREAT! the biLLLs get pummelled unlike few
teams before (or no doubt, to come) in the hyper-bowl and their
fans are screaming they got screwed by the zebras? give me a
freakin break! 52-17 ... and the game wasn't as close as the
score might indicate.
james
Andres Lebaudy
>
>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
What kind of logic is this? Too close to their fans and the community?
How does this affect their performance on the field?
>The Superbowl is a weird thing. There is just too much of a
>"production" value to it. My brother and I were looking at each
>other with the inevitable "Huh?" expression so familiar to Bills
>fans watching the Superbowl, at a time during the game when the
>refs were measuring for a Dallas first down. The chain gang
>actually leaned the pole in favor of Dallas. They did it several
>times. I mean, little things like that make you wonder about what
>is really going on at the Superbowl.
I could hardly believe it when I read this. The only thing I can
think of is that ability that we humans have to come up with reasons
why we fail (in this case one's favorite team) rather facing the
bitter truth. How can you imply that the refs were pro-Dallas?
There were a couple of close calls that went against Dallas. One
wasn't even close (the Reich TD pass). While the refs certainly made
some mistakes, I'd say that the refereeing was pretty good. In any
case, it was a blowout!!! How can a couple of measurements radically
change the outcome of a game? Besides, the two times I remember
measurements being made, it was 2nd down. The probability of Dallas
(or any other team) converting on 3rd and 1/16 inch is pretty high.
>
>It just seems to me that the game has grown in the past ten years
>beyond what the small market teams can handle. I really think the
>NFL has to think about what the Superbowl is becoming. It is not
>an environment that small market teams like Buffalo, Cleveland,
>Denver, Minnesota or Cincinnatti can easily adjust to. I don't
>even think that Pittsburgh could handle it as it is now. When they
>fielded those great teams of the 70's, they were still helping
>to build the mystique of the Superbowl. The BIG NFC "powerhouses"
>can adjust to it more easily because their experience during the
>regular season is more similiar to the hoopla they face in the
>Superbowl.
Why? Why? Why? Why can't a small market team handle the Superbowl?
You can argue that they may have difficulties in the free agent
market because they presumably can't generate as much money as
big city teams and hence can't pay out as much, or that these cities
aren't as appealing to the players, but that they somehow have
a disadvantage in the big game is IMHO ridiculous. If anything,
players in big city markets are at a disadvantage. The New York City
media is brutal on their teams. Same thing goes for LA, Chicago,
and even here in Philly. I would be very surprised if Buffalo
players face as much media pressure as players from bigger cities.
>The Bills play Dallas next year in Dallas. Watch them go in
>there and beat them the way they did the 49er's and Saints
>this year and the Giants and Philly in previous years. They
And why will they beat Dallas?
a) They'll still have more experience.
b) They'll want it more.
c) They'll be playing for revenge.
d) They'll be really focused this time around.
e) They'll still be the team with the best comeback in NFL history.
(They're destined to win)
f) The Dallas defense still won't have alot of experience with no-huddle
offenses.
g) The Buffalo defense will contain E. Smith and Aikman can't win if Smith
doesn't have a great game.
h) Buffalo just has too much talent.
i) Dallas had a weak schedule in 1992-3.
j) The aforementioned small-market theory won't be in effect.
>
>Doug
>
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> | State University of New York at Buffalo
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Andres
Doug Evans - CIT Communication Systems
>>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
Andres said:
>What kind of logic is this? Too close to their fans and the community?
>How does this affect their performance on the field?
My response:
What I'm trying to say is that the game weighs more heavily on them
than it does on guys that can maintain some degree of anonymity
as they can in the big markets. You'd have to live here to
know how much contact we have with the players. They are
*the* biggest thing in town. In a place like, say, Washington
NFL players are a side show.
I said:
>>The Superbowl is a weird thing. There is just too much of a
>>"production" value to it. My brother and I were looking at each
>>other with the inevitable "Huh?" expression so familiar to Bills
>>fans watching the Superbowl, at a time during the game when the
>>refs were measuring for a Dallas first down. The chain gang
>>actually leaned the pole in favor of Dallas. They did it several
>>times. I mean, little things like that make you wonder about what
>>is really going on at the Superbowl.
Andres said:
>I could hardly believe it when I read this. The only thing I can
>think of is that ability that we humans have to come up with reasons
>why we fail (in this case one's favorite team) rather facing the
>bitter truth. How can you imply that the refs were pro-Dallas?
>There were a couple of close calls that went against Dallas. One
>wasn't even close (the Reich TD pass). While the refs certainly made
>some mistakes, I'd say that the refereeing was pretty good. In any
>case, it was a blowout!!! How can a couple of measurements radically
>change the outcome of a game? Besides, the two times I remember
>measurements being made, it was 2nd down. The probability of Dallas
>(or any other team) converting on 3rd and 1/16 inch is pretty high.
My response:
I wasn't really trying to imply that the refs were pro-Dallas as
much as I was really befuddled byt what the chain gang did. I'm
not one of those people who whine that "the refs gave them the
game." Bad calls happen, and they always even out in the end,
but this was not the same thing. It was just a curiosity. If
you've ever worked the chain gang for a game, you'd have noticed
it right away. Let me state this for the Record: The Bills
*did not* lose because the chain gang tilted the the poles. The
Bills lost because Marv Levy is a doof and Jimmy Johnson is a
brilliant coach and leader.
You must understand that I've been watching Superbowls since they
were invented. I've seen them evolve from an NFL/AFL championship
game, (more of a curiosity thing, like the Pro Bowl is now. Hell,
the first SB didn't even sell out), to the Super-Hollywood-Hype-Bowl.
Ever since they started doing all these goofy half time shows, I've
wanted to gag. Then the "Media Day" thing and the two weeks of
mandatory, "What did you do with your helmet Thurman?" type of press
conferences were implemented. It's gotten just too far away from
just a plain football championship.
I'll say again: I'M A FOOTBALL FAN. Not a Michael Jackson fan. Not
a Bud Light fan. Not even a Calvin Klein fan.
I think that a UK fan had a great suggestion. Get rid of the silly
half time shows and present the SB trophy on the field at the end
of the game. Now wouldn't that be a real championship game?
Now the rest of Andres' questions were basically related to why
I think that small market teams have the disadvantage.
Picture this: The Eagles just came back from their third Superbowl
loss in a row. Cunningham played pathetic and gave away the game.
What do you think the local press would do to him when he got back?
Answer: Rip him a new arsehole - Why did you fumble that ball?
What were you thinking of? What do you think of setting a new
record for turnovers? Can you ever live down the label of choker?
It's another day at the office for a Philly sports star.
In contrast: The local reporters are asking things like, "How
are you feeling?" "Do you think you can comeback?" "What would
you like to say to the fans?" It makes me sick. They are so
gracious, it's ridiculous.
This is just one small example.
I can also qualify my observations to a degree by saying that
I've lived in different parts of the country and can say that
Buffalo has a unique relationship with this team. But keep
in mind that all this "small market" pressure that the players
may feel can be overcome by the right kind of leadership. The
kind that Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh and certainly
Jimmy Johnson possess. With a jolly old man like Levy who
has no understanding whatsoever of the psychological aspects
of a media circus like the Superbowl, I am convinced that
the Bills will never be able to rise up and take home a win.
Doug
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Schalene Dagutis
>>I said:
>>
>>>>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>>>>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>>>>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>>>>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
>>
>>Andres said:
>>
>>>What kind of logic is this? Too close to their fans and the community?
>>>How does this affect their performance on the field?
>>
>>My response:
>>
>>What I'm trying to say is that the game weighs more heavily on them
>>than it does on guys that can maintain some degree of anonymity
>>as they can in the big markets. You'd have to live here to
>>know how much contact we have with the players. They are
>>*the* biggest thing in town. In a place like, say, Washington
>>NFL players are a side show.
>
>pro teams are the Rangers (have never won their division) and the Mavericks
>(no explanation necessary). At least Buffalo has another pro team that
>has talent and makes the playoffs. Are the Cowboys *the* biggest thing in
>Dallas? The Dallas Morning News sent 31 reporters to cover the Super Bowl.
>I doubt if they would do that for a side show.
>
I think I'll get in this discussion, since Doug mentioned that in Washington
the NFL is a side show. This is untrue in a big way. We don't have a
baseball team. The Bullets are something like 3-18 at home. When it's
football season, this place goes crazy. President Bush was vilified in
several Washington Post columns because he routed for the Oilers against
the Skins in 1991. The waiting list for tickets is forever. (Parents
will them to their children.) Monday after a game, the sports segment
of the local news is almost half of the air time. Our players are
very involved in our community and their are hundreds of ways to see
them. Local governments declare victory parade days liberal leave
days because they know many people will call in sick. Most of Monday
morning in every place of business is wasted because employees have
to rehash Sunday's game. I could go on and on. The Redskins are
Washington's big deal.
schalene
Mark Liversedge
>one and lost. It's really a hard pill to swallow. Not only will
>all of us Bills fans have to endure the endless ranting and ravings
>of the pompous NFC dickheads like Ed Lor, we will also have to ride
>out the ridiculous "choker" labelling of the Bills by the media.
>
>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
>worst football in the Superbowl, I mean 9 turnovers? When was the
>last time we saw them do that?
>
When WAS the last time.. if ever.. ?
>The Superbowl is a weird thing. There is just too much of a
>"production" value to it. My brother and I were looking at each
>other with the inevitable "Huh?" expression so familiar to Bills
>fans watching the Superbowl, at a time during the game when the
>refs were measuring for a Dallas first down. The chain gang
>actually leaned the pole in favor of Dallas. They did it several
>times. I mean, little things like that make you wonder about what
>is really going on at the Superbowl.
>
I thought I was being paranoid... I noticed that too. They did it
more than once too... Not that it would have made much of a differrence..
>It just seems to me that the game has grown in the past ten years
>beyond what the small market teams can handle. I really think the
>NFL has to think about what the Superbowl is becoming. It is not
>an environment that small market teams like Buffalo, Cleveland,
>Denver, Minnesota or Cincinnatti can easily adjust to. I don't
>even think that Pittsburgh could handle it as it is now. When they
>fielded those great teams of the 70's, they were still helping
>to build the mystique of the Superbowl. The BIG NFC "powerhouses"
>can adjust to it more easily because their experience during the
>regular season is more similiar to the hoopla they face in the
>Superbowl.
>
Absolutely. Why doesn't the AFC get this level of coverage?
>The Bills play Dallas next year in Dallas. Watch them go in
>there and beat them the way they did the 49er's and Saints
>this year and the Giants and Philly in previous years. They
>can compete with these teams, just not in the Superbowl. It's
>really pathetic.
>
Yep. Even more of a sickener.
>As for what the Bills need to do now:
>
>I'm sorry guys, Corey needs to go. He should have been gone
>last year. We still have guys like J.D. Williams and Shane
>Conlan acting like stiffs, and nothing is being done about it.
>Walt Corey takes several months to react to game situations.
>There were only two notable exceptions this season. With the
>amount of talent that defense has, it should come up bigger in
>the big game.
>
Agreed. The D is good, but changes do seem to come out slowly.
Just look at SB 26.
>Marv Levy needs to get a pair of balls. I say this in regards
>to Jim Kelly. I have been a *huge* Kelly supporter in the past,
>but even I can recognize when Jimbo is slipping in a big way.
>He hasn't played well since mid-season, yet Marv just keeps
>banging his head against the wall with him. Sink or swim, we're
>going with Jim. Example: The INT Kelly threw on 4th and 1
>from the goal line was a total misread on his part. The Cowboys
>went into a nickel and were expecting the play-action fake. He
>should have audibled a handoff to Kenneth Davis to the weak side,
>but instead he stuck with the designed play and forced a
>ridiculous pass. I can go on and on about Kelly's problems lately
>with things like looking off his receivers and the ability to
>execute a rollout. It's all basic quarterbacking problems, and
>I just can't understand why Levy didn't do something about these
>problems 8 or 9 weeks ago.
>
A bit panicky on a 4th down go-for-it....
>I guess it really doesn't matter. The Bills are just one of
>those teams that aren't capable of winning the Superbowl. I
>can tell you endless stories about what a great bunch of guys
>they are, but in the end, it just doesn't amount to a Superbowl
>win. Superbowls are meant to be won by the teams that most
>of America likes to root for. Teams like the 49er's, Giants,
>Cowboys and Redskins. Teams like the Bills are considered some
>side attraction, but they just don't generate the market share.
>
>Oh well....I guess I need to just sit back and try to deal
>with this as best I can. I took two days off of work in
>anticipation of either a post-victory party or a post-defeat
>depression.
>
>Doesn't it suck Bills fans? Don't you just wish that for once
>your dreams would come true? Why does the NFL have such a
>magnetic effect on our psyche every year, so much so that we
>put everything on the Bills winning the Superbowl?
>
>I think what I'm going to do, just to make myself feel better,
>is to carry on a year long flame war with Ed Lor. :)
GO FOR IT!
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>
>>>Let's face it Bills fans - the Superbowl is just too BIG of a game
>>>for a team like the Bills. The Bills players are much too close
>>>to their fans and community and just can't seem to adjust to the
>>>hype and hoopla of a game like the Superbowl. They play their
>
>Andres said:
>
>>What kind of logic is this? Too close to their fans and the community?
>>How does this affect their performance on the field?
>
>My response:
>
>What I'm trying to say is that the game weighs more heavily on them
>than it does on guys that can maintain some degree of anonymity
>as they can in the big markets. You'd have to live here to
>know how much contact we have with the players. They are
>*the* biggest thing in town. In a place like, say, Washington
>NFL players are a side show.
PLEASE! How much attention do you think the Cowboys get when the other two
pro teams are the Rangers (have never won their division) and the Mavericks
(no explanation necessary). At least Buffalo has another pro team that
has talent and makes the playoffs. Are the Cowboys *the* biggest thing in
Dallas? The Dallas Morning News sent 31 reporters to cover the Super Bowl.
I doubt if they would do that for a side show.
GT
Tim Vannaman
> In article <1993Feb1.2...@lgc.com>, m...@zycor.lgc.com (Matt Shostak) writes...
> >I thought I saw something like this. I was cheering for Dallas, but
> >on one occasion, it looked clear to me that they wer short by about an inch
> >or two. Then, from another camera angle, the guy leans the pole a bit
> >and the ref signals first down. I didn't think much of it at the time, but
> >I agree, it looked strange as hell.
>
> I'm glad someone else noticed this. It seemed to be happening while the
> game was still close. Very strange.
>
>
trigonomic rule.
I agree it looked weird, because I had never seen it done before, but it
doesn't make the chain any shorter.
Tim.
Scott Gentry
[stuff about leaning the pole from a previous poster deleted]
>I thought I was being paranoid... I noticed that too. They did it
>more than once too... Not that it would have made much of a differrence..
The pole is just a pole. It helps them stretch the chain, nothing else.
The end of the chain is the mark. With TV angles the way they are, it
is impossible for anyone watching to make a judgment.
Frankly, I feel very sorry for all the Buffalo fans out there. Not
only will you take heat from the heartless here, but you and your team
will take heat from the press -- the Washington post has been particularly
heartless in its writings. The things for you to remember are that the
Bills weren't out of the game until the second-half and that they moved
the ball very well against the number one defense in the league. There
are other things for you to remember, too, but being a Cowboys fan, I
will refrain from saying them because y'all need a break. You have a
very good team to root for. Hang in there, they'll be back.
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The pole does mark where the end of the chain is. Since the nose of the ball
is 3-4 inches above the ground, the angle of the pole will affect this somewhat
but not more than an inch or two.
BTW, I apologize if the previous posts are not appearing. I though I had that
problem licked, but it still happens about 50 % of the time.
Paul
Mark J. Rinehart
> In article <1993Feb2.0...@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> bl...@maas-neotek.arc.nasa.gov (MJW/TWF) writes:
> >
> >And leave Lett alone - I think he's probably the most underrated guy
> >on the line. Besides, I guarantee that's something he will NEVER do
> >again.
>
> Isn;t it a sad comment on how competitive the Super Bowl was that this is
> singled out as Dallas' worst play of the game? I mean, some replay angles
> almost made it look like he scored.
A friend commented to me that he believed the ONLY reason that play
was not *called* a td, was because Lett was showboating and the
cowboys were up by enough points for it not to matter. I believe he is
probably right. Refs will have a heart at times, when the game is a
blowout like this one. Being that it was a close call either way, I
think the ref who made the call may have just decided in his mind that
dallas was not going to get that call their way.
Mark
JOHN
>
>A friend commented to me that he believed the ONLY reason that play
>was not *called* a td, was because Lett was showboating and the
>cowboys were up by enough points for it not to matter. I believe he is
>probably right. Refs will have a heart at times, when the game is a
>blowout like this one. Being that it was a close call either way, I
>think the ref who made the call may have just decided in his mind that
>dallas was not going to get that call their way.
>
>
>
>Mark
Ah, would you believe the ref was from San Francisco? :^)
NO!, Oh well.
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