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walstib77

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Jun 22, 2019, 9:31:59 PM6/22/19
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That's why they require a military that spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined.

walstib77

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Jun 23, 2019, 12:28:54 PM6/23/19
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Because markets always win

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat

walstib77

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Jun 23, 2019, 12:29:42 PM6/23/19
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Winning

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/

walstib77

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Jun 23, 2019, 12:30:50 PM6/23/19
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Profit justified

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47165522

walstib77

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Jun 23, 2019, 4:02:14 PM6/23/19
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Markets

Lol

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/#570b1ee14473

walstib77

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Jun 23, 2019, 5:04:23 PM6/23/19
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Supply and Demand

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/trump-dismisses-fbi-investigation-khashoggi.html

The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior

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Jun 30, 2019, 8:56:47 PM6/30/19
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On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 8:31:59 PM UTC-5, walstib77 wrote:
> That's why they require a military that spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined.

Capitalism is the worst of all economic systems - except for all the others.

If there was a "better way", it'd show itself - Darwin works w/ markets too

As for government interference - yeah it sucks and distorts things - badly. Just think how be it'd be in the government steered economic decisions across the board

Tom Enright

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Jun 30, 2019, 9:33:24 PM6/30/19
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Lucky for watsit, capitalism and Democracy has a created the wealth and
freedom necessary to allow such irrational ideas.

-TE

-TE

The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior

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Jun 30, 2019, 9:42:40 PM6/30/19
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One of the great undersung stories of the last 20 years, is the rise of the ChiCom economy - and the move of hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty into a burgeoning economy - that, just by allowing a certain amount of profit incentive.

Just think what China could/will do as their gov't loosens more and interferes less

Eric Ramon

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Jun 30, 2019, 9:46:39 PM6/30/19
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a couple of things...as mentioned a thousand times, a combination of capitalism and socialism seems to work well in Europe. Secondly, capitalism these days has the power of the gun behind it, as well as the power of the media. If people hear one thing is good and another is bad, and hear that a lot, then it's hard for something new to take its place. Eventually, if it's superior it will, I suppose.

But I think about the idea of socialism and remember the Pinkertons. Nowadays we have police and the national guard to protect capitalist's projects while the media portrays anyone against them as a kook or troublemaker or worse.

The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior

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Jun 30, 2019, 9:59:38 PM6/30/19
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Economic socialism is NOT found in Scandanavia - you're talking a "welfare state" based on a capitalistic economy - the Danes, etc, have very vibrant capital economies - by some measures, freer than ours. Economic socialism is where the gov't owns the factories - you see it in some places, but decreasingly few - thankfully.

Tom Enright

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Jun 30, 2019, 10:06:47 PM6/30/19
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On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 9:46:39 PM UTC-4, Eric Ramon wrote:
> On Sunday, June 30, 2019 at 5:56:47 PM UTC-7, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior
> a couple of things...as mentioned a thousand times, a combination of
> capitalism and socialism seems to work well in Europe. Secondly,
> capitalism these days has the power of the gun behind it, as well as
> the power of the media. If people hear one thing is good and another is
> bad, and hear that a lot, then it's hard for something new to take its
> place. Eventually, if it's superior it will, I suppose.

Capitalism does have the power of the gun behind it. Without property
rights and the protection of people's freedom capitalism would be
unworkable.

> But I think about the idea of socialism and remember the Pinkertons.
> Nowadays we have police and the national guard to protect capitalist's

"Protect capitalism's projects?" What does that mean? The guy with the
corner donut shop enjoys police protection?

The US actually needs men with guns to keep people OUT.

> projects while the media portrays anyone against them as a kook or
> troublemaker or worse.

Bernie Sanders is a kook and worse but the media portrays him as a brilliant
man and an actual, reasonable, candidate for president of the United States.
Communists and Nazis.

-TE

Irish Ranger

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Jun 30, 2019, 10:07:02 PM6/30/19
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On Saturday, June 22, 2019 at 9:31:59 PM UTC-4, walstib77 wrote:
> That's why they require a military that spends more on defense than the next seven countries combined.

The Socialists in America are protected by the
bubble wrap of Capitalism.

Irish Mike

The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior

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Jun 30, 2019, 10:10:45 PM6/30/19
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Hit send too soon - we need new terms - one to replace "welfare state" which has a somewhat negative connotation and one to replace "socialism" as a description of high levels of government social services.

Or we could simply do away w/ socialism as an economic term and just use communism to signify state ownership of production - altho there were differences.

Tom Enright

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Jun 30, 2019, 10:11:07 PM6/30/19
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As much as I despise socialism in all its forms (Marxism, Communism,
Nazism etc.) it can actually work is certain circumstances.

The important part is to have a population that has uniform beliefs,
religion, morality etc.

-TE

xyzzy

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Jul 1, 2019, 10:08:17 AM7/1/19
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Hold that thought for next time an rsfc winger says that wanting to be like
Denmark is socialism. Or next time one blames a Danish problem or ridicule
worthy policy on socialism

TIA

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Jul 1, 2019, 11:10:00 AM7/1/19
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On Sun, 30 Jun 2019 18:46:37 -0700 (PDT), Eric Ramon
<ramon...@gmail.com> wrote:

>a couple of things...as mentioned a thousand times, a combination of capita=
>lism and socialism seems to work well in Europe.

It's even simpler. If you don't have the intelligence or talent to
compete, you want as much socialism as you can get.

Hugh

The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior

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Jul 1, 2019, 10:28:03 PM7/1/19
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I've tried - lord knows I've tried

That's why I'd love it if we had new terms

Tom Enright

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Jul 1, 2019, 10:37:36 PM7/1/19
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I think the issue is that it's a moving target. The Scandinavian countries
have been changing from the socialist model to a a freer market for years.
There's something in the current state of affairs for everyone.

-TE

Eric Ramon

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Jul 1, 2019, 11:17:00 PM7/1/19
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well then let's use some of their good ideas and stop worrying about the labels.

Tom Enright

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Jul 2, 2019, 7:49:41 AM7/2/19
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Take your pick.

Lutefish
Ikea
Abba
Suicide
Thor

-TE

Ken Olson

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Jul 4, 2019, 5:24:10 AM7/4/19
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Communists are in a greater hurry.

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