News from Arizona

[Michael Press]

Sarah Palin not invited to funeral
as his last wife weeps over a flag draped coffin.
After the interment a UAV will crash into the grave site.

Whole thing is taking longer than a Polish wedding.

--
Michael Press

[unclejr]

He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured. ($1)

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:39:57 -0700 (PDT), unclejr
<wats...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 4:11:18 PM UTC-5, Michael Press wrote:
>> Sarah Palin not invited to funeral

>> as his last wife weeps over a flag draped coffin.=20

>> After the interment a UAV will crash into the grave site.

>>=20

>> Whole thing is taking longer than a Polish wedding.

>>=20
>> --=20
>> Michael Press
>
>He=E2=80=99s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I=
> like people who weren=E2=80=99t captured. ($1)

Everybody in jail was probably captured. Audie Murphy was not
captured.

Captured is as shallow definition of hero as it gets.

And the ACA was upheld by brain cancer. But you have to be honest to
admit it.

Hugh

[Mercellus Bohren]

Was this guy a hero?

"In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain refused repatriation unless every man taken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by the POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Article III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy".[46] To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[35]

Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe torture.[47] He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred at the same time that he was suffering from heat and dysentery.[35][47] Further injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations were interrupted by guards. Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propaganda "confession".[35] He had always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[48][49] Many U.S. POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[50] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[51] McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[52]

McCain refused to meet various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[53] From late 1969, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[54] while McCain continued to resist the camp authorities.[55] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[49][56]"

Yeah, this guy was a hero. HTH. HAND. TIA.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:12:53 -0700 (PDT), Mercellus Bohren
<merce...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Was this guy a hero?
>

>"In mid-1968, his father John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S.=
> forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain ear=
>ly release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purpos=
>es[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be =
>treated preferentially.[44] McCain refused repatriation unless every man ta=
>ken in before him was also released. Such early release was prohibited by t=
>he POWs' interpretation of the military Code of Conduct which states in Art=
>icle III: "I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy".=
>[46] To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers wer=

>e to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[35]

I approve of him living up to the Code of Conduct. But that was
obligatory, not heroic.

>Beginning in August 1968, McCain was subjected to a program of severe tortu=
>re.[47] He was bound and beaten every two hours; this punishment occurred a=

>t the same time that he was suffering from heat and dysentery.[35][47]

So was the person who exchanged taps on the walls with him. Do you
know his name?

If McCain was the only PoW to suffer abuse and live up to his contract
I will have to rethink my position on heroism.

>Furt=
>her injuries brought McCain to "the point of suicide," but his preparations=
> were interrupted by guards.

I can understand that but suicide is not heroic.

>Eventually, McCain made an anti-U.S. propagand=
>a "confession".[35] He had always felt that his statement was dishonorable,=

At the time he should have said, "Tell it to the Army, tell it to the
Navy, but, above all, tell it to the Marines". Back then everyone
knew the latter meant "It ain't so!".

> but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: ever=

>y man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[48][49]

Absolutely understandable.

>Many U.S. POWs w=
>ere tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propagand=
>a statements;[50] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to the=
>ir captors.[51] McCain received two to three beatings weekly because of his=

> continued refusal to sign additional statements.[52]

That is a stronger will than most of have, but not heroism.

>Yeah, this guy was a hero. HTH. HAND. TIA.

McCain deserves the respect of every American for his resistence,
service and patriotism. But, based on the definition (as I previously
posted) he was not a hero. Of course at death almost everyone is
regarded as a hero - it's in the script.

My neighbors between 1957-1965 were 1. a marine who survived the
invasion of multiple islands in the Pacific when his unit had more
than 100% casualties 2. a glider pilot who landed behind German lines
4 times (as I recall) and walked back to freedom. A close friend had a
dozen air medals (as I recall) for bomber raids over Europe.
Comparatively speaking that tells me that being captured and living up
to you obligation was not heroic. A politician is not heroic, he is a
politician.

Hugh

[unclejr]

Yabbut, teh facebooks says something different!

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/297/619/8619297.png

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/299/619/8619299.png

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/301/619/8619301.png

Shit. Now like Iwish Miek Would Get an Edjucashun, I don't know what to believe.

[Some dued]

Why would you even bother to recall such pedestrian things about those unremarkable people? That's all just par for the course right? I mean the only way to be a hero is to literally have Gamma Rays turn you into an actual superhero right?

[RoddyMcCorley]

Thanks for showing your courage to belittle a man that walked the talk
(honor, duty, country).

--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.

Pennsylvania - Tá sé difriúil anseo.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT), Some dued
<theodo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Why would you even bother to recall such pedestrian things about those unremarkable people? That's all just par for the course right? I mean the only way to be a hero is to literally have Gamma Rays turn you into an actual superhero right?

Pedestrian? Unremarkable? You are one lousy sack of shit.

No, it's not par for the course, it's exceptional. And I did not call
them heroes. But compared to McCain they were.

McCain was one of many PoWs who lived up to their obligation. What
happened should not have happened to McCain or the thousands of others
who endured the same mistreatment. He should not be isolated as the
sole hero among them.

But I suppose being able to buckle your sandals every morning would
make you a hero in your eyes.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 16:10:40 -0400, RoddyMcCorley
<Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Thanks for showing your courage to belittle a man that walked the talk
>(honor, duty, country).

Belittle? He does not fit the definition of a hero and all I did was
point that out. He was captured and fulfilled his obligation under
severe conditions - just like thousands of others. You came back
dumber than you left.

Perhaps you could name the thousands of others who endured the same
treatment as McCain so you could list all the "heroes" names.

As for honor, duty and country, about 13,000,000 did that in WWII. It
takes more than that unless you're not used to much to begin with.

Hugh

[tim.vanwa...@gmail.com]

Why are those people more heroes than McCain Hugh? It’s not like Mccain walked into Vietnam and gave himself up. he was shot down on his 23rd bombing mission over a country with substantial SAM capabilities.

For once in your life, just admit you’re wrong and stop digging holes that just makes everyone shake their head at your pathetic obstinance.

[Futbol Phan]

On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-5, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> Why are those people more heroes than McCain Hugh? It’s not like Mccain walked into Vietnam and gave himself up. he was shot down on his 23rd bombing mission over a country with substantial SAM capabilities.
>
> For once in your life, just admit you’re wrong and stop digging holes that just makes everyone shake their head at your pathetic obstinance.

Good luck with that. He's never wrong; you oughta know that by now. And he never lies, so everything that he produces is 100% factual.

[RoddyMcCorley]

On 8/31/2018 8:52 PM, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> Why are those people more heroes than McCain Hugh? It’s not like Mccain walked into Vietnam and gave himself up. he was shot down on his 23rd bombing mission over a country with substantial SAM capabilities.
>
> For once in your life, just admit you’re wrong and stop digging holes that just makes everyone shake their head at your pathetic obstinance.
>

Not going to work. He's a pathetic little boy. Sort of like Dolt 45.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:52:32 -0700 (PDT), tim.vanwa...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Why are those people more heroes than McCain Hugh?

Your ignorance is showing - I never called them heroes. Their
experiences were more heroic.

>It=E2=80=99s not like M=
>ccain walked into Vietnam and gave himself up. he was shot down on his 23rd=
> bombing mission over a country with substantial SAM capabilities.=20

I have a tough time thinking that getting shot down made one a hero.
Would that mean those comepetent enought not to be shot down are
superheroes?

>For once in your life, just admit you=E2=80=99re wrong and stop digging hol=

>es that just makes everyone shake their head at your pathetic obstinance.

If everyone does there there are more idioits than I thought.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 20:03:24 -0700 (PDT), Futbol Phan
<sgz...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 7:52:34 PM UTC-5, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrot=
>e:
>> Why are those people more heroes than McCain Hugh? It=E2=80=99s not like=
> Mccain walked into Vietnam and gave himself up. he was shot down on his 23=
>rd bombing mission over a country with substantial SAM capabilities.=20
>>=20
>> For once in your life, just admit you=E2=80=99re wrong and stop digging h=

>oles that just makes everyone shake their head at your pathetic obstinance.
>
>Good luck with that. He's never wrong;

That is a lie. More than once I have admitted I was mistaken on rsfc.

>you oughta know that by now. And h=

>e never lies, so everything that he produces is 100% factual.

And there is another lie. I produce a number of quotes that, when
checked, prove not to be factual. When I am doubtful about what I say
I use hedge words.

But, I am foolish to think a stupid shit like you could comprehend
that. Almost makes me want to take a couple of weeks off and get the
same kind of PhD you have.

Hugh

[tim.vanwa...@gmail.com]

It’s a good thing that you never made it into combat Hugh. There is zero chance that your own men wouldn’t have killed you themselves. And you would have been captured, it would have taken interrogators 5 minutes to break you. All they would need to do is tell you that they were not interested in you because clearly you were not important. You’d start dropping names of all these important people you’d interacted with on your ship and how they briefed you on plan X,y and z. So obviously they are wrong. And if you weren’t such an important leader, Commander Q wouldn’t have told you about the tunnel he was digging. So there! Na na na na. You’re wrong Mr Interrogator.

[Some dued]

An important soldier who know about plan x, y and z? Sounds like a real hero!

[Irish Ranger]

John McCain or Aretha Franklin?

Irish Mike

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 06:13:06 -0700 (PDT), tim.vanwa...@gmail.com
wrote:

>It=E2=80=99s a good thing that you never made it into combat Hugh.

I agree - I hear it's pretty dangerous. Maybe you could tell us about
your experiences in combat.

Hugh