The guy that built your house

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

The guy that does your taxes, the dude that sold your shifty car loan, the dude that cut your hair, the anesthesiologist who worked your op, the Presbyterian minister that did your wedding, the ...

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/03/news/nevada-marijuana/index.html

Here's the dirty little pot secret - a lot of the tee-tottlers yall know are blazing up before, during, and after... and with the e-joints, you'll never know the difference.

And you really shouldn't because as far as drugs go, bud is roughly one gazillion times less dangerous than alcohol. I say that as someone who drinks.

Seriously, I did the math on that.

Cheers.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

And let me add on to that for some of yall old schoolers that might just be working up to a vacation in Colorado, California, or one of tenish states.

There are two kinds of bud, yall. And almost anything you see will be a hybrid. Ask the ratio: it matters and you'll get a detailed genetics report that'd make ancestry.com blush.

Sativa is up. It makes colors more colorful and makes you wanna rasta dance and hug people and talk.

Indica is down. It makes you wanna sink into a couch and watch every star wars movie. Or read some 1500 page rand treasure. Basically, you want to stay home.

Was in grand bend Ontario this weekend and had a nice display from my cousin - just your everyday head, runs two businesses, lives in a 3 million dollar house on lake huron that sleeps at least 26 dotslashes...

We put that number to the test last week.

He lays out five jars - here's your crazy up, your sorta up, your true hybrid, your couchlock, your goodnight.

A little one for the day a little 3 for the evening and five sent me off.

No more harmful than wine. Every bit (if not more) the snobbyish wine culture. Dumbest illegal whatever 1 classification in America ever. I'm sure Ken had linked emporer with no clothes - yep.

Cheers.

[Ken Olson]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Jack_Herer_-_The_Emperor_Wears_No_Clothes.pdf

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 01:06:50 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

I usually have one drink a night. But on the last lab report my liver
test was high. They told me to leave off alcohol for 2 weeks and test
again. The liver test got higher.

Now that is a clue!

Hugh


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[michael anderson]

hmmm...I wonder who represents the more common type of weed user? Your wealthy cousin with multiple businesses and the 3 million dollar house or other people(who arent millionaires and dont have 3 million dollar homes and are impressionable and their frontal lobe isn't even fully fixed yet) who have started out using weed and then slowly move up the chain to other harder drugs?

Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country. Do you think all of these people dying from overdosing on Opana or fentanyl or heroin just one day woke up and started shooting it? Of course not....we know that for many of them it started with marijuana. Of course not everyone who starts smoking weed at age 18 with friends goes on to shoot Opana....most don't. But a lot do.

I have mixed feelings about making MJ legal. I'm not as opposed to legality as someone like Jeff sessions because I have a libertarian streak. But I'm also aware of just how sketchy and seedy the legal 'medical'(btw there is no such real thing that meets evidence based medicine criteria) marijuana and legal recreational marijuana trade is- in a lot of cases it's just a way for huge drug rings to grow massive amounts of pot and most of it does get eventually diverted into illegal channels.

I don't doubt that the marijuana users you describe exist(high end clientele who have brought about a wine aficionado culture to MJ), but to portray them as the typical MJ user is laughable and out of touch with reality.

[Emperor Wonko the Sane]

IMO, making the weed illegal is far more dangerous than the weed itself. Just ask a 100,000 Mexicans ... oh wait, you can't. They're dead.

Doug

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
<miande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country.

What purpose is served by saving the lives of those who overdose?

Why should that be the problem of responsible people?

[Ken Olson]

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug


http://www.factcheck.org/2015/04/is-marijuana-really-a-gateway-drug/


http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/marijuna-as-a-gateway-drug-the-myth-that-will-not-die/

Gateway drug theory is far from settled. Does mother's milk lead to
everything?

[RoddyMcCorley]

And if that person was your son, daughter, grandson or granddaughter?

Valid questions for society.

Are we empowering opiate abusers by rescuing them with naloxone?

--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.

Pennsylvania - Tá sé difriúil anseo.

[Ken Olson]

On 7/10/2017 12:26 AM, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
> On 7/9/2017 6:42 PM, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
>> <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country.
>>
>> What purpose is served by saving the lives of those who overdose?
>>
>> Why should that be the problem of responsible people?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
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>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> http://www.avg.com
>>
> And if that person was your son, daughter, grandson or granddaughter?
>
> Valid questions for society.
>
> Are we empowering opiate abusers by rescuing them with naloxone?
>

My gut instinct is to save them and try to help them. I suggest we let
them consume cannabis. Now, if opiate recovery via naloxone becomes a
hobby for them we may not continue to be so accomodating.

[michael anderson]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 11:26:50 PM UTC-5, RoddyMcCorley wrote:
> On 7/9/2017 6:42 PM, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
> > <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country.
> >
> > What purpose is served by saving the lives of those who overdose?
> >
> > Why should that be the problem of responsible people?
> >
> > Hugh
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> > http://www.avg.com
> >
> And if that person was your son, daughter, grandson or granddaughter?
>
> Valid questions for society.
>
> Are we empowering opiate abusers by rescuing them with naloxone?

it doesn't seem you know much about addiction....

the guy shooting heroin right now is most definately not saying to himself "I know this is sorta dangerous, but my buddy has some naloxone to give me if I start to nod off too much and thats why I feel ok about doing it"....

[michael anderson]

who is 'we' and who gave you the power to decide whether this population gets 'accomodated' with naloxone or not? And please don't say you mean we as taxpayers....

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 00:26:46 -0400, RoddyMcCorley
<Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:

>On 7/9/2017 6:42 PM, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
>> <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country.
>>
>> What purpose is served by saving the lives of those who overdose?
>>
>> Why should that be the problem of responsible people?
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> http://www.avg.com
>>
>And if that person was your son, daughter, grandson or granddaughter?

I would not have a different answer for them if they did not meet
expectations. But the love doesn't change.

We have created a group of people who not only find failure acceptable
but subsidize it.
>
>Valid questions for society.

We know society's answer.

>Are we empowering opiate abusers by rescuing them with naloxone?

It's easier to be a circus aerialist when there is a net below.

There is no good answer. But my basic philosophy is that those who
fail should pay the penalty. It's life's version of Russian Roulette.

Hugh

[michael anderson]

why not apply this to everything and health care? Driving above the speed limit and have a wreck? Sorry, no medical treatment- have to pay the penalty for driving too fast and having an accident. A smoker who gets cancer? Sorry, no treatment...gotta pay the penalty for smoking. And on and on and on....


>
> Hugh

[xyzzy]

My brother did a lot of drugs including pot in his college years.

He says the stuff we get today is 10x stronger and not really comparable to what we remember.

He also says that one of the problems with the legalization debate is people his and my age with nostalgic memories of our college pot, who really don't understand how much stronger it is today, are helping drive it.

Can't say I agree or disagree since I never was really into that scene. But it's an interesting perspective from someone who knows more about it than I do.

[Ken Olson]

we = decent human beings. We all gave the power to express opinions.

[Ken Olson]

Stronger equals using less and taking fewer of the bad components of the
smoke into your lungs.

[JGibson]

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 11:06:28 AM UTC-4, michael anderson wrote:
> hmmm...I wonder who represents the more common type of weed user? Your wealthy cousin with multiple businesses and the 3 million dollar house or other people(who arent millionaires and dont have 3 million dollar homes and are impressionable and their frontal lobe isn't even fully fixed yet) who have started out using weed and then slowly move up the chain to other harder drugs?
>
> Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country. Do you think all of these people dying from overdosing on Opana or fentanyl or heroin just one day woke up and started shooting it? Of course not....we know that for many of them it started with marijuana.

Most of them started with prescription opioids.

[michael anderson]

well for many/most shooting rx opioids is the end game(no different than shooting heroin)

A lot started with MJ...then moved on to rx opioids....then moved on to IV prescription opioids.

Did some(especially legit pain pts) start with legitimate short term rx opioids PO and then move on to shooting opioids from a diversion sense...without anything before getting hooked on PO opioids? Of course....but a lot also started with MJ and kratom and other stuff before going to rx opioids(it's more likely that the crowd that started with MJ and kratom never had a rx for the opioids in the first place...not that it makes a huge difference)

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 07:05:58 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
<miande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 7:25:09 AM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 00:26:46 -0400, RoddyMcCorley
>> <Roddy.M...@verizon.net> wrote:

>>=20

>> >On 7/9/2017 6:42 PM, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:06:24 -0700 (PDT), michael anderson
>> >> <miande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Everyone agrees that there is an opiate epidemic in this country.
>> >>
>> >> What purpose is served by saving the lives of those who overdose?
>> >>
>> >> Why should that be the problem of responsible people?
>> >>
>> >> Hugh
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> >> http://www.avg.com
>> >>
>> >And if that person was your son, daughter, grandson or granddaughter?

>>=20

>> I would not have a different answer for them if they did not meet
>> expectations. But the love doesn't change.

>>=20

>> We have created a group of people who not only find failure acceptable
>> but subsidize it.
>> >
>> >Valid questions for society.

>>=20

>> We know society's answer.

>>=20

>> >Are we empowering opiate abusers by rescuing them with naloxone?

>>=20

>> It's easier to be a circus aerialist when there is a net below.

>>=20

>> There is no good answer. But my basic philosophy is that those who
>> fail should pay the penalty. It's life's version of Russian Roulette.
>

>why not apply this to everything and health care? Driving above the speed =
>limit and have a wreck? Sorry, no medical treatment- have to pay the penal=
>ty for driving too fast and having an accident. A smoker who gets cancer? =
>Sorry, no treatment...gotta pay the penalty for smoking. And on and on and =
>on....

I would have little if any problem with that - but that was not the
issue of this thread.

Hugh

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

Exactly. One / two tokes instead of a giant spliff.

The issue is folks that don't realize the strength - have heard many stories, going back many years - started hearing them out of Amsterdam - around folks overdoing things (seems to mostly come from edibles - I think it'd be tough to smoke yourself to that state).

Cheers.

[Ken Olson]

Most of what we have been told are lies.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

Well ÷=%÷, ken. I mean, it's not that I disagree.

It's just that following that train of thought gets me into a super depressing state-of-affairs - one where nearly every aspect of information dissemination has been tightly controlled for, like, ever... dude.

I mean you're suggesting that reefer madness level propoganda is alive and well, it just got really subtle.

Blowing my mind here dude.

Cheers.

[Ken Olson]

There are plenty of people who still believe the lies. Plus, the people
that benefit from the status quo.

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Your brother is correct.