Deer Houston

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

It appears as if you might have a problem.

Up to 35" of rain? Holy cow

Stay safe anyone down that way.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

They hadn't had a hurricane since I left. Just saying.

Cheers,
Angry God Of Weather

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

Coincidence?

I think NOT!!!

[agavi...@gmail.com]

LOL 4" floods Houston

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Haha. Just texted my brother. He sold his boat last week.

[Michael Press]

In article <50e95909-d538-405b...@googlegroups.com>,

"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It appears as if you might have a problem.
>
> Up to 35" of rain? Holy cow

Of rain? Not storm surge?

--
Michael Press

[Marty McMahone]

They're saying massive rain. Houston sometimes floods with a couple of inches

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

They are pretty good at handling large amounts of H20. We were
there last year, and they'd had some similar amount over a couple
of weeks. I would have never noticed....

--
Give me a young man in whom there is something of the old,
and an old man with something of the young. -- Cicero

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Texted my brother to see how they're doing. "We're at the artillery club for dinner."

Must be rough in Galveston.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2017-08-27, the_andr...@yahoo.com <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Texted my brother to see how they're doing. "We're at the artillery club for dinner."
>
> Must be rough in Galveston.

I suspect they are better off than Houston. It really, really looks bad. I hope they
don't get too many more inches of rain.

If any set of people can get through this, it's Texans.

--
Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2017-08-27, the_andr...@yahoo.com <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Texted my brother to see how they're doing. "We're at the artillery club for dinner."
> >
> > Must be rough in Galveston.
>
> I suspect they are better off than Houston. It really, really looks bad. I hope they
> don't get too many more inches of rain.
>
> If any set of people can get through this, it's Texans.
>

Some of the pics coming out of there.....oy....

And some of the pics of people helping out others....amazing.

The worst seems to bring out our best

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

Love this:

https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/901893193091964928

Can't resist just a little snark, though:

https://twitter.com/RennaW/status/901910166949560322

--
An amateur practices until he gets it right. A pro
practices until he can't get it wrong. -- unknown

[xyzzy]

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 6:52:56 AM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2017-08-25, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior <iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It appears as if you might have a problem.
> >
> > Up to 35" of rain? Holy cow
> >
> > Stay safe anyone down that way.
>
> They are pretty good at handling large amounts of H20. We were
> there last year, and they'd had some similar amount over a couple
> of weeks. I would have never noticed....

Houston's not as good as it used to be. 3 once-in-a-lifetime floods in the last 15 years and not curiosity as to why or how to ameliorate. Well at least not from authorities in Houston. Everyone else who looks into it knows why.

https://projects.propublica.org/houston-cypress/

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:54:05 AM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2017-08-28, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior <iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 27, 2017 at 6:26:32 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> >> On 2017-08-27, the_andr...@yahoo.com <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Texted my brother to see how they're doing. "We're at the artillery club for dinner."
> >> >
> >> > Must be rough in Galveston.
> >>
> >> I suspect they are better off than Houston. It really, really looks bad. I hope they
> >> don't get too many more inches of rain.
> >>
> >> If any set of people can get through this, it's Texans.
> >>
> >
> > Some of the pics coming out of there.....oy....
> >
> > And some of the pics of people helping out others....amazing.
> >
> > The worst seems to bring out our best
>
> Love this:
>
> https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/901893193091964928

Yup - all those people just doing the right thing and chipping in - so many examples of that

> Can't resist just a little snark, though:
>
> https://twitter.com/RennaW/status/901910166949560322

:)

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

This would have been a good article had they not said "globalwarmingclimatechange" 732 times.

Just stick with "When you pave everything over, the rain can't soak in" Literally had that convo w/ one of my farmers this more re Madison Lakes

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Pavement, plus Houston is flat. The water has nowhere to go.

In the desert, you don't build in arroyos. Because when it storms, they flood, every time.

Besides 30" is going to flood anyplace.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

Si

Was thinking what my neighborhood would be like w/ 30"

"Fucking mess" immediately leapt to mind

[xyzzy]

The problem in Houston isn't once in a lifetime exceptional storms flooding areas that are prone to flooding. AFter all this has been happening with some regularity. The problem is that places that didn't use to flood, now flood, and a big reason is because the surrounding watersheds have all been paved over and Houston's approach to flood control is "whatever, that sounds like a commie zoning scheme to me!"

Yeah also you can give the standard "climatechange blah blah blah" scoff but it's quite a coincidence to get 3 100 year storms in an 8 year period, isn't it?

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

You don't know that, and no one else does either.

The term "100 year storm" means nothing when you consider the change
in population over that 100 years.

In general, yes, when the earth warms the capacity for holding water
vapor increases. But your implication that this pinpoints the *cause*
of the warming that has been occurring for 150+ years is utter poppycock.

Again, most thinking people believe humans have caused some change to
the climate. The question is "how much?" And the best scientific minds
in the world can't determine that. And unlike the insinuations of the
left, they don't claim to have determined that beyond doubt, either.

Not that you'll get a leftist to be intellectually honest and
volunteer that. No, instead they'll try and imply that it's all
because the evil right won't spend a trillion dollars to reduce the
world's temperature by .012C over the next 30 years.

--
The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on my
life. ... I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90%
how I react to it. And so it is for you... we are in charge of our
attitudes. -- Charles Swindoll

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

"Not that you'll get a leftist to be intellectually honest and
volunteer that. No, instead they'll try and imply that it's all
because the evil right won't spend a trillion dollars to reduce the
world's temperature by .012C over the next 30 years. "

Lol. From the guy who whines endlessly about straw.

Cheers.

[GrtArtiste]

Last month there was a story running that donations were being solicited
($5 million needed) to restore the Apollo-era NASA control room. No
comment on whether it's a good or bad idea, but probably on the farthest
of back burners now.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/21/news/mission-control-nasa-kickstarter-crowdfunding/index.html

Yeah, I know...its CNN...so sue me.

GrtArtiste

[Ken Olson]

I honestly think I'd be OK. We're on some of the highest land in our
area. The section of I-96 near me would be a river. My neighbor would
be screwed. They're about 30 feet below us.

[Ken Olson]

Straw's expensive. If I needed a lot I'd whine too.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

What else would anyone be implying by mentioning "climate
change" in this context? Without limiting the context, this
is exactly what is implied. It is not a straw man when someone
sideswipes you with an implication like that -- one must impute.

--
Few blame themselves until they have exhausted all other possibilities.
-- anonymous

[wolfie]

"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" wrote

> The term "100 year storm" means nothing when you consider the change
> in population over that 100 years.

Population controls how much rain an area gets?

Quick, everyone into the Sahara!!!

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Big hurricanes near the ocean? Unheard of.

Houston doesn't have a zoning problem. Houston has a geographical problem. It's a flat chunk of land by the coast. When it rains a lot, the water has nowhere to go.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:49:12 PM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 12:45:02 PM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Pavement, plus Houston is flat. The water has nowhere to go.
> > >
> > > In the desert, you don't build in arroyos. Because when it storms, they flood, every time.
> > >
> > > Besides 30" is going to flood anyplace.
> >
> > Si
> >
> > Was thinking what my neighborhood would be like w/ 30"
> >
> > "Fucking mess" immediately leapt to mind
>
> The problem in Houston isn't once in a lifetime exceptional storms flooding areas that are prone to flooding. AFter all this has been happening with some regularity. The problem is that places that didn't use to flood, now flood, and a big reason is because the surrounding watersheds have all been paved over and Houston's approach to flood control is "whatever, that sounds like a commie zoning scheme to me!"

Zactly

> Yeah also you can give the standard "climatechange blah blah blah" scoff but it's quite a coincidence to get 3 100 year storms in an 8 year period, isn't it?

Not really considering it isn't happening elsewhere.

[wolfie]

"the_andr...@yahoo.com" wrote

> Houston doesn't have a zoning problem. Houston has a
> geographical problem. It's a flat chunk of land by the
> coast. When it rains a lot, the water has nowhere to go.

Letting people build in flood plains IS a zoning problem.

[wolfie]

"The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" wrote

> xyzzy wrote:
>
>> Yeah also you can give the standard "climatechange blah blah blah" scoff
>> but it's quite a coincidence to get 3 100 year storms in an 8 year
>> period, isn't it?

> Not really considering it isn't happening elsewhere.

A quick search for "100 year storm" seems to indicate it is.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

Now try 3 in 8 years.

Plus, I know you're smart enough to understand that calling something a 100 year storm doesn't make it so.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Not if that includes taking responsibility for their choice.

Hugh

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[agavi...@gmail.com]

With 25" of rain almost every city in America is in a flood plain.

[agavi...@gmail.com]

I don't think 100 year storm means anything beyond people's imaginations, generalizations, and Point Break.

We've had a few cat 4-5 hurricanes in the past few decades.

This hurricane just happened to barely make landfall and has essentially stalled over Houston dumping immense amounts of water where a typical hurricane would pass by and falter once over land.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 6:22:20 AM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> With 25" of rain almost every city in America is in a flood plain.

si

[darkst...@gmail.com]

Agreed. My college town almost flooded out the campus over the course of about a month of that much rain.

(west-central Wisconsin)

Mike

[Ken Olson]

On 8/29/2017 7:22 AM, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> With 25" of rain almost every city in America is in a flood plain.
>

Another reason to live in the country on high ground.

[agavi...@gmail.com]

My nephew took video of downtown Galveston at low tide today and there was about 4' of water in the streets.

[Ken Olson]

On 8/29/2017 11:26 PM, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> My nephew took video of downtown Galveston at low tide today and there was about 4' of water in the streets.
>

Is that because they have a lot of sin there?

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Probably.

SIL said the sun is out. They had a broken window. Many friends in zone X have lost everything.

[Michael Press]

In article <oo2ipv$7lu$1...@dont-email.me>, "wolfie" <bgbd...@gte.net>
wrote:

"Let?" I agree it is a scam with all the big parties
at the table skinning the rubes. But nobody is going
to bust up the game. Anybody with clout will simply
get their piece of the action.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <004df483-87af-439c...@googlegroups.com>,

"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> With 25" of rain almost every city in America is in a flood plain.

if if if if if if

--
Michael Press

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Your button is stuck

[Ken Olson]

On 8/30/2017 1:43 PM, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Probably.
>
> SIL said the sun is out. They had a broken window. Many friends in zone X have lost everything.
>

Very glad that your family in Houston is OK.

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Thanks. They're actually in Galveston. In this case they benefited from not being on the mainland and responding to a major hurricane over 100 years ago.

[Michael Press]

In article <77ebcc5b-fbc4-474e...@googlegroups.com>,
"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <rubrum-AFB9B3....@news.albasani.net>,

> Your button is stuck

Those cities will never get close to that much rain.
`Flood plain' is well defined. All those cities
are not in a flood plain.

--
Michael Press

[agavi...@gmail.com]

I made that very clear.

Nonetheless, ANY city on planet earth is going to be negatively impacted by 40" of rain in that time span.

[Michael Press]

In article <1d21b23e-a0ed-435f...@googlegroups.com>,

"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I made that very clear.
>
> Nonetheless, ANY city on planet earth is going to be negatively impacted by 40" of rain in that time span.

Almost none of those cities will get 40" of rain.

--
Michael Press

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Brilliant.

[Ken Olson]

On 8/31/2017 2:52 PM, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Thanks. They're actually in Galveston. In this case they benefited from not being on the mainland and responding to a major hurricane over 100 years ago.
>

That's right. Duh.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

That would put about 37" of water in my house - and more than an inch
has fallen this AM.

I understand what you are saying but I was on the Cow U. campus one
time.

[Michael Press]

In article <0150393a-4a28-440f...@googlegroups.com>,
"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Brilliant.

"With 25" of rain almost every city in America is in a flood plain. "

--
Michael Press

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Repetitive.