Russian Interference

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Let's git 'er dun - finish next week. How?

Trump, et al., should admit they coordinated with Russia to end the
reign of at least 8 years of socialist tyranny whether true or not.

Then he should tell people, "It's over, kiss my ass." In addition he
should advise the losers to get off the field and get back sitting on
the bench where they belong.

After all, Hillary finished no worse than second. What's all the fuss
about?

How can it get any better? Have fun with that you lib losers.

Hugh

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[urinalcakes]

> How can it get any better? Have fun with that you lib losers.
>
> Hugh
>
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Guess what Hugh, we are having fun. We're laughing our asses off at the stupidity of Trump and the morons who elected him. Personally, I'm hoping for the full four years.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

That's the first suggestion in the Book of Losers. When it's cold and
you are covered with warm manure, speak like you are warm and happy.

One problem though - if libs laugh their ass off they will disappear.

You can read. Good on ye, Hoss.

Hugh

[urinalcakes]

LOL at cranky-old-bastard Hugh.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 27 May 2017 09:19:35 -0700 (PDT), urinalcakes

<ppo...@stny.rr.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 11:52:14 AM UTC-4, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 May 2017 08:26:59 -0700 (PDT), urinalcakes
>> <ppo...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> How can it get any better? Have fun with that you lib losers.
>> >>
>> >> Hugh
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> >> http://www.avg.com
>> >
>> >Guess what Hugh, we are having fun. We're laughing our asses off at the stupidity of Trump and the morons who elected him. Personally, I'm hoping for the full four years.
>>
>> That's the first suggestion in the Book of Losers. When it's cold and
>> you are covered with warm manure, speak like you are warm and happy.
>>
>> One problem though - if libs laugh their ass off they will disappear.
>>
>> You can read. Good on ye, Hoss.
>>
>> Hugh
>
>LOL at cranky-old-bastard Hugh.

I had rather make people laugh but politics only permits one side at a
time to do that w/o the aforementioned cover. Well, not me. I laugh at
everybody.

I am old. I am cranky. I offer no apologies. But I have my parents
marriage license and the certificate of my birth. Since I was a math
major I can determine they were married 3+ years before I was born w/o
having to ask for help.

Urinal cakes? First time I have ever had a chance to talk with one of
the little white cakes. However you are now wearing a Jane Fonda
sticker vice Obama at the VFW depository.

Hugh

[Ken Olson]

Now you know how half the country felt for the last 8 years.

[Futbol Phan]

And get used to the way that 3/4 of the country feels now about your boy Dolt 45,

[Ken Olson]

You sound like I care how they feel.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

I would be very unhappy if he was pleasing them. That would be
unAmerican.

Hugh

[Futbol Phan]

Couldn't be less than what I care about 'half the country'. Especially given that they are the same uneducated, uninformed morans that helped to elect the most incompetent POTUS of my lifetime.

[Ken Olson]

We're not talking about Nixon, Obama or Carter. Maybe Carter or Nixon
were before you were born?

[Ken Olson]

That, too.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 27 May 2017 20:12:05 -0700 (PDT), Futbol Phan
<sgz...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Couldn't be less than what I care about 'half the country'. Especially given that they are the same uneducated, uninformed morans that helped to elect the most incompetent POTUS of my lifetime.

Unbelievably accurate commentary on the immediate past president...

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

To me, ken, including Obama on that list is just nutso.

Does nobody remember what was happening in this country when he took office?

My FIL owned a dodge dealership for decades and lost it. He's managing someone else's dealership now.

My dad retired a year or two before that and he and my mom put the nice little mcmansion on the lake up for sale, expecting that to be a nice retirement nest egg. Bad timing. Oh, and by the way, how about we basically halve all your other investments.

This country was in economic shambles after six years of consolidated GOP let the #$!#ing rich folks have their every earnest desire rule, the dems took over, did the shitty and heavy lifting, and pulled us out of the tailspin.

And what does he get from the right for his trouble? "Where's your longform birth certificate, ya kenyan?"

Cheers.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 07:35:00 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>To me, ken, including Obama on that list is just nutso.
>
>Does nobody remember what was happening in this country when he took office?

Yep. People who were fiscally responsible and able to pay for the
Great Shitass Society of LBJ were doing very well. Those who were not
trying to keep up with the Joneses were laughing while the Joneses
filed for bankruptcy.

>My FIL owned a dodge dealership for decades and lost it. He's managing someone else's dealership now.
>My dad retired a year or two before that and he and my mom put the nice little mcmansion on the lake up for sale, expecting that to be a nice retirement nest egg. Bad timing. Oh, and by the way, how about we basically halve all your other investments.

I'm sorry your family had those difficulties - I'll repeat if you
wish. But, if the unbiased truth was told, I suspect they were mostly
responsible for their own problems. The fact they had a mcmansion on
the lake is a pretty good indicator. I had a really nice trailer on a
lake and had to sell it for 1/4 what I paid for it. But I got 3/4
enjoyment out of it.

>And what does he get from the right for his trouble? "Where's your longform birth certificate, ya kenyan?"

Not from me, I would never be that respectuful to him (except when he
was CinC) white, black or half-ass.

JUST IN CASE - I'm sorry your family had those difficulties.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> >To me, ken, including Obama on that list is just nutso.
> >
> >Does nobody remember what was happening in this country when he took office?
>
> Yep. People who were fiscally responsible and able to pay for the
> Great Shitass Society of LBJ were doing very well. Those who were not
> trying to keep up with the Joneses were laughing while the Joneses
> filed for bankruptcy.
>
> >My FIL owned a dodge dealership for decades and lost it. He's managing someone else's dealership now.
> >My dad retired a year or two before that and he and my mom put the nice little mcmansion on the lake up for sale, expecting that to be a nice retirement nest egg. Bad timing. Oh, and by the way, how about we basically halve all your other investments.
>
> I'm sorry your family had those difficulties - I'll repeat if you
> wish. But, if the unbiased truth was told, I suspect they were mostly
> responsible for their own problems. The fact they had a mcmansion on
> the lake is a pretty good indicator. I had a really nice trailer on a
> lake and had to sell it for 1/4 what I paid for it. But I got 3/4
> enjoyment out of it.
>

Chrysler shut down my FILs dealership in spite of it being one of the most successful in the metro Detroit area by pulling their Sales and Service agreement - along with 700+ other dealers. The fact that the decision was so arbitrary (in the specific context of being highly profitable, compared to nearby dealers that weren't targeted) led to a lawsuit and eventually settlement.

My parents had the means to wait things out and sold when the market came back. You know - after we put the adults back in charge for a minute (did they come for our guns? They must have come for our guns, right?)

Even though they had normal, middle-class jobs, they (like many others in the middle class at the time) participated pretty heavily in the economic growth of the 90s - before the GOP took over and rigged everything for rich folks.

Since I know you're not rich, I'm sorry that you're so easily manipulated by bullshit social issues to side with a party who really only cares about seeing after the interests of billionaires and padding their own pockets.

Ok, that pocket padding bit applies much more broadly.

Cheers.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 09:20:50 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Chrysler shut down my FILs dealership in spite of it being one of the most =
>successful in the metro Detroit area by pulling their Sales and Service agr=
>eement - along with 700+ other dealers. The fact that the decision was so =
>arbitrary (in the specific context of being highly profitable, compared to =
>nearby dealers that weren't targeted) led to a lawsuit and eventually settl=
>ement.

I do understand that not everyone is intelligent enough to plan for
the unexpected "rainy day" - which obviously includes your FIL. When
things are going good. I suspect he spent a lot on showboating his
opulence if the dealership was that successful.

>My parents had the means to wait things out and sold when the market came b=
>ack. You know - after we put the adults back in charge for a minute (did t=

>hey come for our guns? They must have come for our guns, right?)

When one has the means and foresight he can wait for any comeback.

>Even though they had normal, middle-class jobs, they (like many others in t=
>he middle class at the time) participated pretty heavily in the economic gr=
>owth of the 90s - before the GOP took over and rigged everything for rich f=
>olks.

Wolfie, et al., considers my job middle class becasue theirs is low
class and anything better looks good. I live comfortably as I wish and
I expect to draw at least 3 times what I placed in my IRA. But we
lived consertavily and did without some things (nothing we really
needed) in order to live in comparative ease after retirement. Anyone
could do the same. I understand and I'm very thankful to God for the
way he has blessed us - He gets the credit.

>Since I know you're not rich, I'm sorry that you're so easily manipulated b=
>y bullshit social issues to side with a party who really only cares about s=
>eeing after the interests of billionaires and padding their own pockets. =

I'm not jealous of Buffett or Gates. If I had their wealth I would
give it away faster than they do. I doubt either has anything I really
want. If I won the lottery most of it wood go to Churches, schools,
cities and counties. You can't take money with you but you can take a
good name that might last for more than one generation.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, May 28, 2017 at 12:57:40 PM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

> >Chrysler shut down my FILs dealership in spite of it being one of the most =
> >successful in the metro Detroit area by pulling their Sales and Service agr=
> >eement - along with 700+ other dealers. The fact that the decision was so =
> >arbitrary (in the specific context of being highly profitable, compared to =
> >nearby dealers that weren't targeted) led to a lawsuit and eventually settl=
> >ement.
>
> I do understand that not everyone is intelligent enough to plan for
> the unexpected "rainy day" - which obviously includes your FIL.

Why do you suspect that, Hugh? You're wrong as usual, but wondering why, in your mind, there's a connection between what happened to his business and his personal level of "being frugal".

Seems like a stupid- if convenient - connection for you to make.

When
> things are going good. I suspect he spent a lot on showboating his
> opulence if the dealership was that successful.
>
> >My parents had the means to wait things out and sold when the market came b=
> >ack. You know - after we put the adults back in charge for a minute (did t=
> >hey come for our guns? They must have come for our guns, right?)
>
> When one has the means and foresight he can wait for any comeback.
>

Which is just you shifting the conversation further from the real point - unfettered GOP rule blew this economy up, in a bad way, while further enriching the very wealthy. Obama inherited an economy where the middle class - who have always concentrated their wealth in their homes and retirement funds - were watching both implode.

That you want to talk about anything but those concrete facts is understandable.

> >Even though they had normal, middle-class jobs, they (like many others in t=
> >he middle class at the time) participated pretty heavily in the economic gr=
> >owth of the 90s - before the GOP took over and rigged everything for rich f=
> >olks.
>
> Wolfie, et al., considers my job middle class becasue theirs is low
> class and anything better looks good. I live comfortably as I wish and
> I expect to draw at least 3 times what I placed in my IRA. But we
> lived consertavily and did without some things (nothing we really
> needed) in order to live in comparative ease after retirement. Anyone
> could do the same. I understand and I'm very thankful to God for the
> way he has blessed us - He gets the credit.
>

I think they consider your job middle class because you present as a middle class dude. Also because a lot of people assume "clerk" from back then to basically be code for "male secretary".

Cheers.

[wolfie]

dotsla...@gmail.com wrote

> To me, ken, including Obama on that list is just nutso.

Nah, it's just racist.

It's one thing to look at the Obama Presidency and say
you don't agree with what he did. But "incompetent?"
The ACA's still holding on, the economy had it longest
period of growth in history, saved lots of jobs in the
auto industry, etc. What he did wasn't perfect (from
either side), but at least he DID something.

It's especially obvious when compared to the showboat in
the office now who can't get his own party to do something
they promised they'd do for 7 years. Hell, even the supposed
repeal/replace bill keeps the ACA going until after the next
two election cycles - when it'll be some other Democrat's
job to clean up the GOP's mess, again.

Nah, they just can't get over the fact he's not white.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>> I do understand that not everyone is intelligent enough to plan for

>> the unexpected "rainy day" - which obviously includes your FIL.=20

>
>Why do you suspect that, Hugh?

Based on my watching countless individuals doing the same thing over
the past 65 years. I saw lots of people retire with IRAs of 6-7
digits. Way too many bought new luxury cars, new swank houses, went on
expensive cruises, invested in a business that failed. The law of
averages based on my experience is with me.

>You're wrong as usual,

No, I'm not wrong. I often allow for exceptions when I post, as in
this instance.

>but wondering why, i=
>n your mind, there's a connection between what happened to his business and=

> his personal level of "being frugal".

If you read carefully I made no flat out accusation.

>
>Seems like a stupid- if convenient - connection for you to make.

Only because you lack the qualifications to comprehend what I say
before you judge.

>Which is just you shifting the conversation further from the real point - u=
>nfettered GOP rule blew this economy up, in a bad way, while further enrich=
>ing the very wealthy. Obama inherited an economy where the middle class - =
>who have always concentrated their wealth in their homes and retirement fun=

>ds - were watching both implode.

Then it should have happened to me. My IRA almost doubled under Bush.
Because I am required to withdraw it went down under Obama so no real
relation.

>That you want to talk about anything but those concrete facts is understand=
>able.

Speaking of the rich, would you trade your life for Mia's? I'm sure
you would like his money but it's a package. Liberals never have the
mentality to see the whole picture because of jealousy and insecurity.
You respond better than some but have the same mental problems.

>> Wolfie, et al., considers my job middle class becasue theirs is low
>> class and anything better looks good. I live comfortably as I wish and
>> I expect to draw at least 3 times what I placed in my IRA. But we
>> lived consertavily and did without some things (nothing we really
>> needed) in order to live in comparative ease after retirement. Anyone
>> could do the same. I understand and I'm very thankful to God for the
>> way he has blessed us - He gets the credit.

>>=20
>
>I think they consider your job middle class because you present as a middle=
> class dude. Also because a lot of people assume "clerk" from back then to=

> basically be code for "male secretary".

Actually my wife's aunt said decades ago, "You were poor and now you
have a little money. It didn't change you a bit." I still regard that
as a REAL compliment. I was not her boss.

I started as a clerk but I retired in management. Unless challenged I
tend to understate. I probably chaired more than 30 organizations from
local to International - one for 17 years and another for 39. I was
not qualified, in my mind, to be promoted to 0-5 - but I made it when
selection was at the lowest rate in years - 33% - with NO AcDu as an
officer. That may be unique.

I did get one shock about 45 years ago. I took a group of Scouts to a
court to fulfill a merit badge requirement. I introduced myself to the
Chief of Police. He said, "I know who you are!"

[Ken Olson]

GFY

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 16:10:51 -0400, "wolfie" <bgbd...@gte.net> wrote:

>dotsla...@gmail.com wrote
>
>> To me, ken, including Obama on that list is just nutso.
>
>Nah, it's just racist.
>
>It's one thing to look at the Obama Presidency and say
>you don't agree with what he did. But "incompetent?"

I don't think Obama can be classified as incompetent. After LBJ he is
the second most competent person in his ability to destroy the
principles that made this a great country. He was possibly the
greatest organizer of groups charged with overthrowing the USA in
history.

>The ACA's still holding on, the economy had it longest
>period of growth in history, saved lots of jobs in the
>auto industry, etc. What he did wasn't perfect (from
>either side), but at least he DID something.

I suppose for people like you with severely limited ability, and an
apparent liar, any something is better than nothing as long as working
people put unearned money in your pocket by the force of government.

>It's especially obvious when compared to the showboat in
>the office now who can't get his own party to do something
>they promised they'd do for 7 years. Hell, even the supposed
>repeal/replace bill keeps the ACA going until after the next
>two election cycles - when it'll be some other Democrat's
>job to clean up the GOP's mess, again.

Trump came along too soon. We needed a president who worked quietly an
compromisingly to overturn the socialistic principles of the previous
admin. Confrontational people are confronted - I see one in the
mirror.. Maybe he enjoys that as much as I do. But, when presiding
over a country it usually fails.

>
>Nah, they just can't get over the fact he's not white.

He's not black either.

But, apparently unlike you, he has never lied about serving in combat
in the REAL MILITARY.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 21:37:39 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org>
wrote:

Did you think he has another choice?

[grant]

On Sun, 28 May 2017 16:10:51 -0400, "wolfie" <bgbd...@gte.net> wrote:

>dotsla...@gmail.com wrote
>
>> To me, ken, including Obama on that list is just nutso.

> It's one thing to look at the Obama Presidency and say
> you don't agree with what he did. But "incompetent?"
> The ACA's still holding on, the economy had it longest
> period of growth in history, saved lots of jobs in the
> auto industry, etc. What he did wasn't perfect (from
> either side), but at least he DID something.

What he did was stifle growth. GDP growth under Obama averaged 1.3%,
worst in history. By contrast, the first 3 years after the great
depression of 1929 gdp growth averaged -10%, but by the 4th year,
1934, it was +11%. WWII caused another depression, gdp growth in 1946
was -11.6% but 4 years later by 1950 it was 8.7%. There have been a
number of smaller recessions and the economy quickly responded
strongly. In the first year of Obama's presidency, where he inherited
the "Great Recession", gdp fell by -2.8%. 8 years later it was growing
at a whopping 1.5%, and never once reached it's long term average
growth of 3.3%, a number easily surpassed pre-Obama after a recession.
Compare this to Trumsan, who had gdp growth of -11.6% and in 4 years
gdp growth was 8.7%.

And BTW, gdp grew every year between 1959-1973, 1983-1990, and
1992-2007

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Facts in the group are very rare - most os us ignore them at every
opportunity. Are you new here? If so, welcome. If not, please forgive
my aging memory.

[Eric Ramon]

On Monday, May 29, 2017 at 4:22:23 AM UTC-7, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>
> But, apparently unlike you, he has never lied about serving in combat
> in the REAL MILITARY.
>

just curious, Hugh. Did you see combat in Korea? We know you just missed out in WWII as it ended while you were en route.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Unlike wolfie I don't lie. I never was in combat. I have stated that
numerous times before on rsfc. I think a couple of other people in
the military might not have been either.

I was headed overseas in 1945 when the bombs were dropped. I got to
Japan on the USS Lexington CV-16 in the first week of October, age 17
and a high school grad.

I was never called up for Korea or Nam although I volunteered. I
suspect my lack of AcDu as an officer prevented a call up, but not
promotions based on my annual reviews.

So, what's your point?

[Ken Olson]

Add Bill Clinton to the list, too.

[Some dued]

Clinton? 8 years of peace and prosperity. You guys were all about bringing morals back to the white house since that was all you had to bitch about. Doesn't seem so important now though huh?

[Ken Olson]

On 5/30/2017 1:13 AM, Some dued wrote:
> Clinton? 8 years of peace and prosperity. You guys were all about bringing morals back to the white house since that was all you had to bitch about. Doesn't seem so important now though huh?
>

What are you babbling about?

[Some dued]

I was babbling about your idiocy.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Mon, 29 May 2017 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT), Some dued
<theodo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Clinton? 8 years of peace and prosperity. You guys were all about bringing morals back to the white house since that was all you had to bitch about. Doesn't seem so important now though huh?

I think many (most?) people are willing to overlook the absence of
morals in the Clinton family (Bill) because he was fiscally
responsible. I can tolerate his immoral behavior because of some
results, unlike Obama, that benefitted this country.

But, give Obama credit. He is the first president to cause people of
this country to kill each other not involving geography - and he got a
Nobel Prize for that.

Now that's progressive - but not progress.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

I think, iirc, that Clinton presided over the economy that created the most "middle class millionaires".

And boy did the rich folks not appreciate that! What's the point of being born "from good stock" if anyone and everyone can get there - just through hard work?

And now we all know that the entire family are satanists who have those closest to them assassinated *if* (and it's a big if) you can get bill to pull up his pants long enough to focus.

Cheers.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 05:49:13 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>I think, iirc, that Clinton presided over the economy that created the most "middle class millionaires".
>
>And boy did the rich folks not appreciate that! What's the point of being born "from good stock" if anyone and everyone can get there - just through hard work?

Several reasons...

Good stock is not a guarantee.

If anyone and everyone can get "there", it's not the same "there"
'cause equal opportunity does not create equal ability or motivation
or ambition.

Some of you earn more than some of us, but some of us have a helluva
lot more success in a helluva lot more areas than some of you. Money
is not the sole judge of success.

By your question you appear to think everyone is equal - it ain't
happened yet.

Age has eroded most of my ability - if you are lucky you will get
there.

[Ken Olson]

On 5/30/2017 5:41 AM, Some dued wrote:
> I was babbling about your idiocy.
>

At least you admit you were babbling.

[Ken Olson]

It isn't all about the economy and personal wealth.