Deer President Trump

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT

You ARE the POTUS

Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.

[xyzzy]

I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would grow into the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider president with no investement in any existing policies.

gf works in the federal govt. She has some inside insight I'll try to find a way to share discreetly, without IDing her. It's not all bad (or all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a lot of wasted potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it can be seen.

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

Please do - I'd be interested in this....

As a conservative, I'm so freakin' frustrated right now - I've obviously been very suspicious of him for a looong time. I want to like him, to support him - and as you say, watch him grow into the role.

But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Agree on the tweeting.

That said, he's helping overrun the anti-Trump major media outlets and that is working. Half the country disagrees with the extremely biased clowns at CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. so, from that perspective I don't blame him one bit.

Although, I agree with Hugh's assessment. Do what you're going to do and let the press talk all they want.

[xyzzy]

For now let's just say that she's very positively impressed with Mulvaney and how he's got that agency (OMB) taking a hard look at govt busywork. One example:

http://www.nextgov.com/cio-briefing/2017/06/agencies-no-longer-have-report-y2k-plans/138731/

There are many others that aren't public yet.

On the negative side... the worst of Trump's behavior is filtering down to middle management. Those guys really do take their cues from the guy at the top, even the career ones. There are a lot of hacks in middle management whose behavior was restrained by norms that now feel free to be total out of control assholes.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:17:06 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade War=

>rior wrote:
>> STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
>>
>> You ARE the POTUS
>>

>> Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a=
> freakin' president.
>
>I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would grow i=
>nto the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider president wit=

>h no investement in any existing policies.

Please keep breathing a while longer.

Hugh


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[Ken Olson]

Referring to your last paragraph - I have experienced the same at the
state level.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

Ms. Cupp nails it again:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/opinions/trump-tweets-mika-brzezinski-cupp/index.html

Cheers.

[JGibson]

CNN? Fake News! Or maybe Fake Opinion!

[Michael Press]

In article <601f2863-86a0-4b71...@googlegroups.com>,

He is acting like a freaking president and all the right
people are foaming at the mouth. When your enemy tells you
how to conduct your affairs then you know you are onto a
winning strategy and winning tactics.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <414607e5-3f7b-4ada...@googlegroups.com>,

Let us know when the IRS is let loose on political opponents.

--
Michael Press

[Futbol Phan]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:53:37 PM UTC-5, Michael Press wrote:

> He is acting like a freaking president

Please explain

[CtrlAltDel]

Hey everyone, another Democrat has another secret source. Let me guess,
this source will tell you, and you will relay to us, that Trump shouldn't
be president because Russia and he gets two scoops of ice cream while he
forces, with an ugly grimace on his face, all his entourage to get one
scoop.

This ice cream story reveals very much about Trump's rotten soul. He
is destroying our Constitution and shredding our rights like so many
blades of grass. Somewhere, somehow, someone has to stop him and prevent
him from being president any longer is their message and it's getting
through to the shooters.

He's a boss and if these silly bitches like Morning Mika and Joe stop
calling him a steaming pile of stupid shit while encouraging crazy
Democrats to hastagHuntRepublicans, Trump would not bother with them.

Unfortunately, Democrats and their media henchmen are getting people shot
because they don't agree with their politics.

[Michael Press]

In article <7201d02d-c52f-4663...@googlegroups.com>,

Include the context. What did Cheesehusker say?
I simply took it literally, then extended the
adjective "freaking" literally to a large subset
of the population.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <16306aa6-82d2-4b25...@googlegroups.com>,

Unnamed source.

--
Michael Press

[JGibson]

His domestic loyal opposition should not be his enemies.

[plai...@gmail.com]

I'll bet that Richard Nixon, after 5 or 6 scotches, would have been tweeting up a storm at 3 AM too.

[xyzzy]

Apparently wingnuts have forgotten that SE Cupp is a conservative commentator.

[michael anderson]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:17:09 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:

*if* there is potential, let's unleash it in the private sector and let the wonders of the free market work....

quite frankly the words 'potential' and 'federal govt' scare me to death. potential to do what? get bigger and ever more costly? 'do more'?

[michael anderson]

well the problem for conservatives right now is that *nothing* is getting done....at least with the conservative policies I actually care about(limiting the size of govt and lower taxes).....

that's a big rsfckin problem.

[michael anderson]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:05:31 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:17:09 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > > > STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
> > > >
> > > > You ARE the POTUS
> > > >
> > > > Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.
> > >
> > > I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would grow into the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider president with no investement in any existing policies.
> > >
> > > gf works in the federal govt. She has some inside insight I'll try to find a way to share discreetly, without IDing her. It's not all bad (or all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a lot of wasted potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it can be seen.
> >
> > Please do - I'd be interested in this....
> >
> > As a conservative, I'm so freakin' frustrated right now - I've obviously been very suspicious of him for a looong time. I want to like him, to support him - and as you say, watch him grow into the role.
> >
> > But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.
>
> For now let's just say that she's very positively impressed with Mulvaney and how he's got that agency (OMB) taking a hard look at govt busywork.

but unless this less useless busywork results in less costly/bloated govt workforce, whats the point? The problem with govt paper pushers isn't that they do a bunch of nonproductive busywork....of course that's not needed, but what is really not needed is not to redefine their role into something more 'productive'....

[xyzzy]

She's assuming that's their endgame.

She knows and agrees the govt workforce is bloated. She deals with it every day.

But you do realize that the biggest beneficiaries of govt hiring preferences in recent decades isn't women and minorities. It's veterans. So you're gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to significantly downsize government. I'm sure the GOP is eager to do that!

[xyzzy]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4, CtrlAltDel wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:17:06 -0700, xyzzy wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade
> > Warrior wrote:
> >> STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
> >>
> >> You ARE the POTUS
> >>
> >> Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like
> >> a freakin' president.
> >
> > I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would
> > grow into the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider
> > president with no investement in any existing policies.
> >
> > gf works in the federal govt. She has some inside insight I'll try to
> > find a way to share discreetly, without IDing her. It's not all bad (or
> > all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a lot of wasted
> > potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it can be seen.
>
> Hey everyone, another Democrat has another secret source.

Translation: someone has a source I don't agree with.

If say, Ken Olson said he had a pla in govt workforce who says things that confirm what you already want to believe, you'd be touting it as the real inside scoop.

I don't expect you or any other Trumpbots to listen to or believe anything that contradicts what you want to believe, whether it comes from my gf, CNN, NYT or even FOX News or The Blaze, or conservative commentators you used to quote on the internet all the time before they realized that their movement has been hijacked by an immature clown with a large army of suckers for followers.

People who are interested in learning and making informed decisions seek out multiple sources. That's not you, so you're not the intended audience. So just ignore my posts and continue refreshing Breitbart.com and Trump's twitter feed, that's all you want to know.

[michael anderson]

I think it depends on the area. It sounds like from your experience with the gf you know more about it than me. I know my sister and me do the exact same thing(adult psychiatrists) and she has a VA job. She works no weekends, no evenings, has an ungodly amount of vacation and sick leave, wicked benefits(401k matching and defined benefit plan and low cost gold plan type health insurance, disability, etc). She gets paid full time but only has to work 32 clinical hours per week, averaging 8 easy follow up appts per day(such a volume would never exist outside govt). For this she gets paid a base salary of about 235 plus average yearly bonuses of 20 and student loan reimbursement per year of 25(which is tax free so really worth 40). The entire package is commiserate to a base salary of about 300k easily in the private sector, probably more like 330 when you count in the vacation and sick leave. This for a job that expects roughly 15-20% of the productive my job requires. I make 35% more than her or so adjusted income, but am 5x as productive. So that's just my one anecdotal example of govt efficiency vs private sector efficiency....if our group was run like the VA(in terms of an efficiency/workload model) then we would all be eating at soup kitchens.

And she's very good at what she does and the vets are thankful to have her there, but at the same time I see all this and wonder why in the world the VA as a medical delivery service exists at all. And it's like this in every specialty...the efficiency and workload and productivity is literally 20% what is expected in the real world for oftentimes 70%(or more) of the pay.

If it's like that in health care, is it any different in accounting or IT for example?

[xyzzy]

Well for one thing the salaries are a lot higher in healthcare. I can promise you neither she nor anyone in her group are making anywhere near what your sister makes!

That said in her area there are plenty of people who are overpaid with the first dollar. She is totally on board with the "government is completely bloated" philosophy!

Btw when I've looked into jobs in my field in the govt, the salaries were significantly lower than what I make now. But would I work for 70% of my current pay for 20% of the workload (assuming your analogy really applies)? Heh!, tempting! But probably not, from what I have seen from her the political BS aspect of the job more than takes back the benefit of the "less real work required" aspect (not in value delivered, but in stress and strain on the employee).

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:00:15 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>But you do realize that the biggest beneficiaries of govt hiring preference=
>s in recent decades isn't women and minorities. It's veterans. So you're =
>gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to significantly downsize government. =

>I'm sure the GOP is eager to do that!

On the surface veteran preference is great. But it should not be done
at additional expense or a lessening of talent by government.

I'll admit that liberals make it very difficult to get things right
again.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>People who are interested in learning and making informed decisions seek ou=
>t multiple sources.

I trust that response is more specific than general. I listen to both
sides and decision are usually very easy.

Rejecting liberal socialistic policy is the ONLY informed decision.
It's just not the most heartfelt (if that is a legitimate liberal
purpose - which I doubt).

[michael anderson]

of course she realizes it, but you also have to do what is best for you and your family. If you want to be a mom first and foremost, it's a good job. I don't think just because someone takes a job like that they also can't speak to the waste and inefficiency.

>
> Btw when I've looked into jobs in my field in the govt, the salaries were significantly lower than what I make now. But would I work for 70% of my current pay for 20% of the workload (assuming your analogy really applies)? Heh!, tempting! But probably not, from what I have seen from her the political BS aspect of the job more than takes back the benefit of the "less real work required" aspect (not in value delivered, but in stress and strain on the employee).

the thing is though in many fields in the private sector there are tons of BS aspects to the job(from a paperwork and logistics standpoint) that you actually don't have to the same extent at the VA. If I worked at the VA, for example, I would never have to deal with stuff like insurance peer reviews, have far fewer petitioned pts/court commitments, no malpractice worries/paperwork, etc...so there are many plusses to that as well. Im sure in other fields(in exchange for some of the fed paperwork bs) you also are exempt from a lot of other hassles/pressures that we have to deal with in the real world

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Btw when I've looked into jobs in my field in the govt, the salaries were s=
>ignificantly lower than what I make now. But would I work for 70% of my cu=
>rrent pay for 20% of the workload (assuming your analogy really applies)? =
>Heh!, tempting! But probably not, from what I have seen from her the polit=
>ical BS aspect of the job more than takes back the benefit of the "less rea=
>l work required" aspect (not in value delivered, but in stress and strain o=
>n the employee).

Government depends more on seniority and politics than ability
although manycompanies have their share.

A talented person ALWAYS wants to work where proving yourself superior
to others pays off.

With promotion comes responsibility and part of the job is stress IF
you let it be. Again, a talented person always comes up with solutions
to avoid stress. The ability to teach, organize and persuade is a
valuable talent.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

Then why do minorities have such an outsized participation in the
federal workforce?

> It's veterans. So you're gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to
> significantly downsize government.

That does not necessarily follow at all. If they aren't deadwood, then they shouldn't
go.

> I'm sure the GOP is eager to do that!

This member of the GOP is interested in getting rid of deadwood no matter who
they are.

--
Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick two and we'll talk.
-- unknown

[xyzzy]

On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 1:45:08 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2017-06-30, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, June 30, 2017 at 9:39:01 AM UTC-4, michael anderson wrote:
> >> On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:05:31 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:25:39 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> >> > > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:17:09 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> >> > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> >> > > > > STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > You ARE the POTUS
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would grow into the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider president with no investement in any existing policies.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > gf works in the federal govt. She has some inside insight I'll try to find a way to share discreetly, without IDing her. It's not all bad (or all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a lot of wasted potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it can be seen.
> >> > >
> >> > > Please do - I'd be interested in this....
> >> > >
> >> > > As a conservative, I'm so freakin' frustrated right now - I've obviously been very suspicious of him for a looong time. I want to like him, to support him - and as you say, watch him grow into the role.
> >> > >
> >> > > But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.
> >> >
> >> > For now let's just say that she's very positively impressed with Mulvaney and how he's got that agency (OMB) taking a hard look at govt busywork.
> >>
> >> but unless this less useless busywork results in less costly/bloated govt workforce, whats the point? The problem with govt paper pushers isn't that they do a bunch of nonproductive busywork....of course that's not needed, but what is really not needed is not to redefine their role into something more 'productive'....
> >
> > She's assuming that's their endgame.
> >
> > She knows and agrees the govt workforce is bloated. She deals with it every day.
> >
> > But you do realize that the biggest beneficiaries of govt hiring
> > preferences in recent decades isn't women and minorities.
>
> Then why do minorities have such an outsized participation in the
> federal workforce?

You seem to assume veterans and minorities are mutually exclusive data sets.

> > It's veterans. So you're gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to
> > significantly downsize government.
>
> That does not necessarily follow at all. If they aren't deadwood, then they shouldn't
> go.

How do you define deadwood? Honestly. I suspect most claim their definition is "people who don't do much if any work" and they probably really believe that's what they think. But their real definition is often "people who do work I don't like."

This is the crux of the problem of identifying deadwood in government service. Since it's based around policy and politics it's so much in the eye of the beholder.

For a crude example consider a regulatory agency with six rule writers. One of them cranks out 20 rules a year while each of the others only produce 1-2. Which ones are deadwood? Can you honestly answer that question without first asking "what are the rules they are producing?"

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

They are not, of course. Minorities do have an outsized representation in
the class of veterans. But that is nowhere near all or even close to all of
that situation.

>
>> > It's veterans. So you're gonna have to fire a lot of veterans to
>> > significantly downsize government.
>>
>> That does not necessarily follow at all. If they aren't deadwood, then they shouldn't
>> go.
>
> How do you define deadwood? Honestly. I suspect most claim their
> definition is "people who don't do much if any work" and they probably
> really believe that's what they think. But their real definition is
> often "people who do work I don't like."

It is a combination of both. If they only have a job because it is
more trouble to fire them than it is to just spend the money, they are
deadwood. And if they are only doing work that is done because a
particular legislator won't allow it to be terminated, then they are
deadwood too.

>
> This is the crux of the problem of identifying deadwood in government
> service. Since it's based around policy and politics it's so much in
> the eye of the beholder.

This is of course true. But no one should be able to justify 140 different
programs to fund higher education.

> For a crude example consider a regulatory agency with six rule
> writers. One of them cranks out 20 rules a year while each of the
> others only produce 1-2. Which ones are deadwood? Can you honestly
> answer that question without first asking "what are the rules they are
> producing?"

Of course not. But if the machinery worked properly, the powers that
be in the department in question should be able to identify redundant
positions and eliminate them. Since you are more likely to die than
lose your government job in many departments, that is clearly not the
case. And a lot of it has to do with minorities, because of the
threat of lawsuits and the eggshells that people have to walk on in
that area.

--
Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing.
-- Karl Lehenbauer

[xyzzy]

In principle you are right but the fallacy or difficulty or stumbling block or whatever is assuming that the "powers that be in the department" are good leaders looking out for the interests of their mission. In fact they are just as likely to be the same types of redundant hacks that you're saying they should be able to identify for elimination. In some cases more so, because the job gets more political the higher up you get, even in the career service. Management retaliation is a big problem in the civil service and it's also a big reason for a lot of the civil service rules that people on the outside find baffling or frustrating. And yes some people who shouldn't game those rules to stay on while adding no value, gf sees both sides of that very first hand.

I don't know the solution. Well I do know a solution.. it's "let me [or some other person I agree with] determine who is worthwhile to keep and who isn't" That's probably what your solution boils down to also .. but I'm not sure how practical that is.

[Ken Olson]

NEVER! ;)

[Ken Olson]

They don't seem very loyal.

[Ken Olson]

I can say the same about SOM DOC. The bloat is in middle and upper
management, not at the level of people that actual perform a useful task.

[Ken Olson]

In my job, the smart people tended to not promote, go to the night
shift, and work some OT so it negated the lack of promotion. I taught,
organized, and persuaded in our union so I could stick it to my
oppressors and keep my job.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:30:53 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org>
wrote:

It was pretty difficult to get fired at the company I worked for.
People who deserved a second chance got one - and sometimes a third
chance.

The union was from TN to the Gulf - from KY north no union. And no
union in the office. It was the most enjoyable place to work and the
highest paying in the area. From supervisor up we were almost
obligated to participate in one or more civic endeavors and the
company carried a lot of weight - even nationally.

Hugh

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ms. Cupp nails it again:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/opinions/trump-tweets-mika-brzezinski-cupp/index.html
>
> Cheers.

She's a very good writer. Like her tons

[The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> Ms. Cupp nails it again:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/opinions/trump-tweets-mika-brzezinski-cupp/index.html
>
> Cheers.

Here's Jonah Goldberg w/ some excellent points

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449152/donald-trump-tweets-agenda-damaged-character-revealed

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 6:02:23 AM UTC-7, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
>
> You ARE the POTUS
>
> Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.

What in the fuck do you think got him elected?

Seriously, Cheesehusker... You're asking a 4 year old to act like an adult.

The country is finished, formalize the divorce.

Mike

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 6:25:39 AM UTC-7, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:

> As a conservative, I'm so freakin' frustrated right now - I've obviously been very suspicious of him for a looong time. I want to like him, to support him - and as you say, watch him grow into the role.
>
> But he just seems bent on confirming my fears.

He's running, time and again, into this little nasty problem for the Right called the Constitution.

His best bet is the one that scares people like me the most: He walks up on Tuesday and gives his mid-term strategy: Article Five. Convention of the States.

He needs the 1st, 4th, 5th, 14th, 19th, and 25th Amendments of the Constitution repealed. Repealing the 13th might be the only way to grab blood out of the turnip of much of the US' population right now.

He probably also needs a mechanism to remove California from this union. Now. Illinois (or at the very least Chicago) next.

Mike

[Ken Olson]

Geographically opposite of what I would expect.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

Of course you are. And you're going to be wrong sometimes. But never
firing anyone is guaranteed to be wrong.

> In fact they are just as likely to be the same types of redundant
> hacks that you're saying they should be able to identify for
> elimination. In some cases more so, because the job gets more
> political the higher up you get, even in the career service.

No one claims life is perfect. Capitalism is the worst system
of running things except for all others. Things seem to be done
often for the wrong reasons, in injust ways. But it gets the best
results overall.

> Management retaliation is a big problem in the civil service and it's
> also a big reason for a lot of the civil service rules that people on
> the outside find baffling or frustrating.

So?

> And yes some people who shouldn't game those rules to stay on while
> adding no value, gf sees both sides of that very first hand.

Of course. And it's not like private business doesn't have some
of that too. But it won't go on forever like it does in the
government.

>
> I don't know the solution. Well I do know a solution.. it's "let me [or some other person I agree with] determine who is worthwhile to keep and who isn't" That's probably what your solution boils down to also .. but I'm not sure how practical that is.
>

--
Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed. -- Francis Bacon

[Ken Olson]

Why I also see it that civil service employees are in greater need for
unions than many in the private sector.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

That's why we have the greatest number of lawyers in the world. If
there are egregious wrongs, there are ways to address that. And if
people could get fired for poor results, those yahoos wouldn't be
in charge.

The problem with most government jobs is that the incentive is not to
get good results, it is avoiding egregious slipups. Because a firable
slipup is about all that can get you fired. The incentive is to cover your
ass, not get good results.

--
Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing.
-- Wernher Von Braun

[Ken Olson]

I had fun with pushing it. There's a real problem in a job like I did
in that there is little way to quantify the job to determine how well
one is doing. It's more about the way you do things and how you respond
to situations = reputation. I always tried to do what I thought was
best, and of course, avoid fireable offenses to the best of my ability.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 21:51:25 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org>

Startling to say the least.

I have nothing but happy memories of my civilian and military careers.

If there is any unhappiness in my life it's that I was not between 25
and 45 years old for the last 50 years.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 18:41:46 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com
wrote:

No - unlike his predecessor he needs to abide by the C. The
Constitution presumed responsibility and lack of is the worst problem
now.

Just don't bail CA and IL out - that will solve that problem. Let the
overdose people die, enforce the law no matter how harsh the penalty -
that's a start.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2017-07-01, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
> On 6/30/2017 10:33 PM, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2017-07-01, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org> wrote:
>>> On 6/30/2017 9:55 PM, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>>>> On 2017-06-30, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Management retaliation is a big problem in the civil service and it's
>>>>> also a big reason for a lot of the civil service rules that people on
>>>>> the outside find baffling or frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> So?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why I also see it that civil service employees are in greater need for
>>> unions than many in the private sector.
>>
>> That's why we have the greatest number of lawyers in the world. If
>> there are egregious wrongs, there are ways to address that. And if
>> people could get fired for poor results, those yahoos wouldn't be
>> in charge.
>>
>> The problem with most government jobs is that the incentive is not to
>> get good results, it is avoiding egregious slipups. Because a firable
>> slipup is about all that can get you fired. The incentive is to cover your
>> ass, not get good results.
>>
>
> I had fun with pushing it. There's a real problem in a job like I did
> in that there is little way to quantify the job to determine how well
> one is doing.

As a line worker, I agree. As a manager, I don't agree. It is clear
when departments run well and run efficiently.

> It's more about the way you do things and how you respond to
> situations = reputation. I always tried to do what I thought was
> best, and of course, avoid fireable offenses to the best of my
> ability.

--
The problem with Internet quotations is that many of them
are not genuine. -- Abraham Lincoln

[Ken Olson]

We can't afford to enforce all laws all of the time. We don't have
enough prisons or the money to run them.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 15:18:06 -0400, Ken Olson <kol...@freedomnet.org>
wrote:

Is the price of ammo out of range?

Hugh

[Michael Press]

In article <f900803a-affa-4411...@googlegroups.com>,
"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree on the tweeting.
>
> That said, he's helping overrun the anti-Trump major media outlets and that is working. Half the country disagrees with the extremely biased clowns at CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, etc. so, from that perspective I don't blame him one bit.
>
> Although, I agree with Hugh's assessment. Do what you're going to do and let the press talk all they want.

Did not work for George W. Bush.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <895b2fc4-7026-4fa8...@googlegroups.com>,
xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 6:37:47 PM UTC-4, JGibson wrote:

> > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 6:17:00 PM UTC-4, dotsla...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Ms. Cupp nails it again:
> > >
> > > http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/opinions/trump-tweets-mika-brzezinski-cupp/index.html
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> >

> > CNN? Fake News! Or maybe Fake Opinion!
>
> Apparently wingnuts have forgotten that SE Cupp is a conservative commentator.

So what if Cupp is a conservative commentator?
Most of the conservative commentators are furious
that Donald Trump is now President Donald Trump.

--
Michael Press

[CtrlAltDel]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:08:01 -0700, xyzzy wrote:

> On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 11:30:59 PM UTC-4, CtrlAltDel wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 06:17:06 -0700, xyzzy wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 9:02:23 AM UTC-4, The Cheesehusker,

>> > Trade Warrior wrote:
>> >> STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
>> >>
>> >> You ARE the POTUS
>> >>
>> >> Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act
>> >> like a freakin' president.
>> >
>> > I know my wingnut friends don't believe me but I truly wish he would
>> > grow into the job and live up to the potential of being an outsider
>> > president with no investement in any existing policies.
>> >
>> > gf works in the federal govt. She has some inside insight I'll try
>> > to find a way to share discreetly, without IDing her. It's not all
>> > bad (or all good). Let's just say as I've posted before there's a
>> > lot of wasted potential here, and sometimes tantalizing flashes of it
>> > can be seen.
>>

>> Hey everyone, another Democrat has another secret source.
>
> Translation: someone has a source I don't agree with.
>
> If say, Ken Olson said he had a pla in govt workforce who says things
> that confirm what you already want to believe, you'd be touting it as
> the real inside scoop.
>
> I don't expect you or any other Trumpbots to listen to or believe
> anything that contradicts what you want to believe, whether it comes
> from my gf, CNN, NYT or even FOX News or The Blaze, or conservative
> commentators you used to quote on the internet all the time before they
> realized that their movement has been hijacked by an immature clown with
> a large army of suckers for followers.
>
> People who are interested in learning and making informed decisions seek
> out multiple sources. That's not you, so you're not the intended
> audience. So just ignore my posts and continue refreshing Breitbart.com
> and Trump's twitter feed, that's all you want to know.

You suck to CNN and NBC as they ponder Russia, Obstruction, Resistance,
Move Forward, and Fight, Fight, Fight.

The rest of us will live in the real world and leave the hateful and mean
to the land of make believe and conspiracies on the Democrat's media
outlets.

You realize that all Democrats seem to every one else in America to be
petulant, angry, very violent, lying, pouting klowns. All the stations
you watch and view and read create absolutely fake stories with not one
ounce of honesty required any longer.

I'm amazed, XY, I really am amazed that you have been reduced to relying
on outlets that have fallen so hard to inform yourself. Thank goodness
for Breitbart, a real news organization with hard hitting real reporters,
for exposing CNN for trying to harm Trump and the what they call the
white trash addicts for voting him into office.

[Ken Olson]

It was, but things are better now.

[RoddyMcCorley]

On 6/29/2017 9:02 AM, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
>
> You ARE the POTUS
>
> Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.
>

HE IS A JACKASS. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. And he has surrounded himself with
jackasses.

--
False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
with evil.

Pennsylvania - Tá sé difriúil anseo.

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, July 1, 2017 at 5:50:54 AM UTC-7, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

> No - unlike his predecessor he needs to abide by the C. The
> Constitution presumed responsibility and lack of is the worst problem
> now.

No it didn't. To do so would've made what we know as "rights" more "privileges" at best.

> Just don't bail CA and IL out - that will solve that problem. Let the
> overdose people die, enforce the law no matter how harsh the penalty -
> that's a start.

And how many people do they kill on the way out, Hugh?

That's your problem.

You seem to forget that the government gives me a check every month knowing I kill somebody if they don't. You'd do far better ending it long before "letting" it happen, or the question then becomes how many go with...

Mike

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:57:26 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com wrote:

>You seem to forget that the government gives me a check every month knowing I kill somebody if they don't.
>

>Mike

I could prepare a list of people for you to take out. How much do you
charge per person?

[Ken Olson]

Nothing personal, but it seems it would take more sense to terminate you
with overwhelming force than pay you.

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 2, 2017 at 4:03:56 AM UTC-7, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

> I could prepare a list of people for you to take out. How much do you
> charge per person?

Why? I'd probably scribble them out and put your name next to the top of the rewrite.

Mike

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Let me know when you are advanced enough to comprehend instructions.

[agavi...@gmail.com]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/881546696160882694

https://mobile.twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/881568338941530112

[Michael Press]

In article <de363c53-269c-485b...@googlegroups.com>,
JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 10:53:37 PM UTC-4, Michael Press wrote:
> > In article <601f2863-86a0-4b71...@googlegroups.com>,

> > "The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior" <iamtj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > STOP FUCKING TWEETING SHIT
> > >
> > > You ARE the POTUS
> > >
> > > Just stop it. Quit with the SJW/gamergate troll fantasies and act like a freakin' president.
> >

> > He is acting like a freaking president and all the right
> > people are foaming at the mouth. When your enemy tells you
> > how to conduct your affairs then you know you are onto a
> > winning strategy and winning tactics.
>
> His domestic loyal opposition should not be his enemies.

They aren't.

--
Michael Press

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 2, 2017 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-7, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jul 2017 13:30:08 -0700 (PDT), darkst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, July 2, 2017 at 4:03:56 AM UTC-7, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> >
> >> I could prepare a list of people for you to take out. How much do you
> >> charge per person?
> >
> >Why? I'd probably scribble them out and put your name next to the top of the rewrite.
> >
> >Mike
>
> Let me know when you are advanced enough to comprehend instructions.

Let me know your address so your existence can be ended.

Mike

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Tell me how you would end my existence if I gave you my address.

Since I am 89 there is some need for speed on your part.

[darkst...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 5:16:01 AM UTC-7, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

> Tell me how you would end my existence if I gave you my address.

I don't have to. Even Trump knows how. And if he somehow forgot, he needs to ask one of his former contestants he had to get a dossier on to ensure she could safely compete.

Mike