Trump Derangement

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Trump tweeted something about "Wisconsin and other border states" and Kai Rysdall of NPR fame replied, "Not for nothing, but Wisconsin's not a border state."

Brazilians of others have followed suit. Based on the argument that Wisconsin shares no land border with Canadia.

However,...

[xyzzy]

However, what?

(he asks after looking at a map of the US that shows state and national borders including through the great lakes)

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Wisconsin shares a border with Canada.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2017-04-26, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-4, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Trump tweeted something about "Wisconsin and other border states" and Kai Rysdall of NPR fame replied, "Not for nothing, but Wisconsin's not a border state."
>>
>> Brazilians of others have followed suit. Based on the argument that Wisconsin shares no land border with Canadia.
>>
>> However,...
>
> However, what?

However, it shares a body of water that also has Canadian shore. In
other words, you can shove off from Canada and land in Wisconsin. I
don't know where the actual boundaries are drawn, but Wisconsin is a
border state in practice.

> (he asks after looking at a map of the US that shows state and
> national borders including through the great lakes)

I guess that shows that no border lines make Wisconsin directly
contiguous, but that is a technicality.

--
Some people have twenty years of experience, some people have
one year of experience twenty times over. -- Anonymous

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 05:48:06 -0700 (PDT), "the_andr...@yahoo.com"
<agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Wisconsin shares a border with Canada.
>

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I forget the name of the river but one is translated by American
Indians to mean - "You fish on your side, I fish on my side and no
one fish in middle".

Hugh

[xyzzy]

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 8:48:08 AM UTC-4, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Wisconsin shares a border with Canada.

No, it doesn't.

[Futbol Phan]

Wisconsin shares a border with Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois and Iowa. Not Canadia.

[Michael Press]

In article <7133a0f3-d2e0-4c8f...@googlegroups.com>,

Because Minnesota wanted a port on Lake Superior to ship its taconite.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <slrnog15ur.9...@kim.perusion.com>,

"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <cons...@duxmail.com> wrote:

> On 2017-04-26, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-4, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Trump tweeted something about "Wisconsin and other border states" and Kai Rysdall of NPR fame replied, "Not for nothing, but Wisconsin's not a border state."
> >>
> >> Brazilians of others have followed suit. Based on the argument that Wisconsin shares no land border with Canadia.
> >>
> >> However,...
> >
> > However, what?
>
> However, it shares a body of water that also has Canadian shore. In
> other words, you can shove off from Canada and land in Wisconsin. I
> don't know where the actual boundaries are drawn, but Wisconsin is a
> border state in practice.

100 miles from Wisconsin to Canada by land or water.

>
> > (he asks after looking at a map of the US that shows state and
> > national borders including through the great lakes)
>
> I guess that shows that no border lines make Wisconsin directly
> contiguous, but that is a technicality.

--

Michael Press

[JGibson]

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2017-04-26, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-4, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Trump tweeted something about "Wisconsin and other border states" and Kai Rysdall of NPR fame replied, "Not for nothing, but Wisconsin's not a border state."
> >>
> >> Brazilians of others have followed suit. Based on the argument that Wisconsin shares no land border with Canadia.
> >>
> >> However,...
> >
> > However, what?
>
> However, it shares a body of water that also has Canadian shore. In
> other words, you can shove off from Canada and land in Wisconsin. I
> don't know where the actual boundaries are drawn, but Wisconsin is a
> border state in practice.
>
> > (he asks after looking at a map of the US that shows state and
> > national borders including through the great lakes)
>
> I guess that shows that no border lines make Wisconsin directly
> contiguous, but that is a technicality.

I guess the United States and Portugal border each other then?

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

If they were 130 miles from us, in practice they would. Certainly we have had
to defend our "border" with Cuba and Haiti.

--
People who would hamper free speech always assume that they're designing
a world in which only their enemies will have to shut up.
--Nicholas Christakis

[xyzzy]

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 2:29:46 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2017-04-26, JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> >> On 2017-04-26, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-4, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> Trump tweeted something about "Wisconsin and other border states" and Kai Rysdall of NPR fame replied, "Not for nothing, but Wisconsin's not a border state."
> >> >>
> >> >> Brazilians of others have followed suit. Based on the argument that Wisconsin shares no land border with Canadia.
> >> >>
> >> >> However,...
> >> >
> >> > However, what?
> >>
> >> However, it shares a body of water that also has Canadian shore. In
> >> other words, you can shove off from Canada and land in Wisconsin. I
> >> don't know where the actual boundaries are drawn, but Wisconsin is a
> >> border state in practice.
> >>
> >> > (he asks after looking at a map of the US that shows state and
> >> > national borders including through the great lakes)
> >>
> >> I guess that shows that no border lines make Wisconsin directly
> >> contiguous, but that is a technicality.
> >
> > I guess the United States and Portugal border each other then?
>
> If they were 130 miles from us, in practice they would. Certainly we have had
> to defend our "border" with Cuba and Haiti.

Thousands of Canadian boat people flooding into Wisconsin, eh?

[Boris Hall]

As long as they avoid the gales of November.

[Con Reeder, unhyphenated American]

On 2017-04-26, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 2:29:46 PM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2017-04-26, JGibson <james.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 8:51:46 AM UTC-4, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> >> On 2017-04-26, xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 7:59:04 AM UTC-4, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> Trump tweeted something about "Wisconsin and other border states" and Kai Rysdall of NPR fame replied, "Not for nothing, but Wisconsin's not a border state."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Brazilians of others have followed suit. Based on the argument that Wisconsin shares no land border with Canadia.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> However,...
>> >> >
>> >> > However, what?
>> >>
>> >> However, it shares a body of water that also has Canadian shore. In
>> >> other words, you can shove off from Canada and land in Wisconsin. I
>> >> don't know where the actual boundaries are drawn, but Wisconsin is a
>> >> border state in practice.
>> >>
>> >> > (he asks after looking at a map of the US that shows state and
>> >> > national borders including through the great lakes)
>> >>
>> >> I guess that shows that no border lines make Wisconsin directly
>> >> contiguous, but that is a technicality.
>> >
>> > I guess the United States and Portugal border each other then?
>>
>> If they were 130 miles from us, in practice they would. Certainly we have had
>> to defend our "border" with Cuba and Haiti.
>
> Thousands of Canadian boat people flooding into Wisconsin, eh?

Riding rafts made of a glut of softwood lumber....

--
Experience is what allows you to recognize a mistake the second time you
make it. -- unknown

[agavi...@gmail.com]

Yes it does.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

The map I just googled had a distinct black border line between
Wisconsin and Canada. I did not see such a line between Wisconsin and
Portugal.

I understand the Canadian Niagara Falls is much prettier than the
American. Without a border line how would they determine which is
which?

I have not seen the falls - I understand they are a bride's second
great disappointment.

Hugh

[wolfie]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote

> The map I just googled had a distinct black border line between
> Wisconsin and Canada.

Then it's wrong. The maritime border of Wisconsin ends where
the maritime borders of Minnesota and Michigan meet, keeping
it from having a border with Canada.

You'd probably have to have some little bit of maritime knowledge
to know about stuff like that, though, which explains why you don't.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

Part of WI borders on a Great Lake. In your failed attempt to show
some intelligence you presume that borders stop where they meet the
water. A map showing international borders shows the line extending
across the lake.

No wonder you never amounted to much in the military - Cat IV boy.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

You're way off on this, hugh. Wisconsin has a small amount of frontage on superior, but doesn't extend out to the border with canada.

That border line you're looking at all runs through waters belonging to michigan and minnesota, whose borders converge south of the international border in lake superior.

Iows, on this one the teeth gnashers on the right aren't even correct on one of their gotcha technicalities.

Cheers.

[Michael Press]

In article <14ada417-c695-406e...@googlegroups.com>,
"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes it does.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_border>

The Canada–United States border (French: Frontière entre le
Canada et les États-Unis), officially known as the International
Boundary, is the longest international border in the world
between two countries. It is shared between Canada and the United
States, the second- and fourth-largest countries by area,
respectively. The terrestrial boundary (including portions of
maritime boundaries in the Great Lakes, and on the Atlantic,
Pacific, and Arctic coasts) is 8,891 kilometres (5,525 mi) long,
of which 2,475 kilometres (1,538 mi) is Canada's border with
Alaska. Eight Canadian provinces and territories (Yukon, British
Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, and
New Brunswick), and thirteen U.S. states (Alaska, Washington,
Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Ohio,
Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine) are
located along the border.

--
Michael Press

[agavi...@gmail.com]

While I'm happy we're all picking nits, I'm most happy at the continued Trump Derangement displayed in this thread.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

Of course you are, andrew. It's not like you spent the first three poasts setting up your faux "but..." lake superior!
gotcha!

I thought it was an interesting bit of trivia to learn. Until today, I always assumed wisconsin extended to canada across superior.

Cheers.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 07:49:04 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>You're way off on this, hugh.

I may be...

>Wisconsin has a small amount of frontage on superior, but doesn't extend out to the border with canada.

By the map the border line with Canada crosses Lake Superior. WI
minimally, but factually, fronts on Lake Superior.

Seems to me that WI does not border Canada ONLY if there is no border
crossing Lake Superior.

How is this way off?

[xyzzy]

Go to https://www.google.com/maps/@46.4334832,-90.5212859,6.93z

Zoom in if necessary to Lake Superior.

Notice the border lines.

Wisconsin does not border on Canada. Not even through the lake. Michigan and Minnesota are between it and Canada on the lake.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Of course you are, andrew. It's not like you spent the first three poasts setting up your faux "but..." lake superior!
> gotcha!
>
>I thought it was an interesting bit of trivia to learn. Until today, I always assumed wisconsin extended to canada across superior.

I still do. Wikipedia is wrong. By the map there is no barrier between
WI and the border - unless I delete the border line across Lake
Superior.

I await proof of difference.

Hugh

Lake Superior
Lake in North America
Lake Superior is the largest of the Great Lakes of North America. The
lake is shared by the Canadian province of Ontario to the north, the
US state of Minnesota to the west, and Wisconsin and the Upper
Peninsula of Michigan to the south. Wikipedia
Area: 31,700 mi²
Catchment area: 49,300 mi²
Volume: 2,903 cubic miles
Max. depth: 1,333 ft (406 m)
Location: North America
Fish: Burbot, Trout, Northern pike, Muskellunge, Walleye, More
Did you know: Lake Superior is the largest lake in the US by area
(31,700 sq mi). wikipedia.org

Posted by Hugh - as you can see Wikipedia disagrees with itself.

[Mercellus Bohren]

Yeah, that part of Michigan north of the lake intersects with Minnesota, and both are north of Wisconsin.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

Honestly, hugh, I don't think anyone cares enough to prove it to you. Like trump, I always assumed that portion ne of wisconsin on the international border that runs through superior was wisky / canada.

I proved it to myself by googling "does wisconsin share border with canada on lake superior". It's a question that's been often asked and often answered. Wolfie had it exactly right.

Cheers.

[Michael Press]

In article <426675d5-7332-437f...@googlegroups.com>,

"the_andr...@yahoo.com" <agavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> While I'm happy we're all picking nits, I'm most happy at the continued Trump Derangement displayed in this thread.

If you had been paying attention, then you would have inferred that
Michigan and Minnesota share a border.

--
Michael Press

[Michael Press]

In article <59023a02....@news.eternal-september.org>,

... or you could look up the international boundary markers on a map.

--
Michael Press

[Futbol Phan]

Best not to disagree with this poast. I've learned long ago, Hugh is never wrong.

But I must point out that Wikipedia is wrong with regards to their last statement above:

"Did you know: Lake Superior is the largest lake in the US by area (31,700 sq mi). wikipedia.org"

This is incorrect. Lake Michigan is the largest lake in the US by area at 22,404 square miles. Lake Superior may be bigger than that, but its US area is only a little more than half of its 31,700 Sq mi total.

[wolfie]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote

> By the map there is no barrier between WI and the
> border - unless I delete the border line across Lake
> Superior.

And the border lines of Michigan and Minnesota.

> I await proof of difference.

Even Google's map shows the state borders. It's
not difficult.

But you can always read the Wisconsin Constitution
for proof, if you want. They lay it out there.

[unclejr]

POTD!

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 11:37:39 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Go to https://www.google.com/maps/@46.4334832,-90.5212859,6.93z
>
>Zoom in if necessary to Lake Superior.
>
>Notice the border lines.
>
>Wisconsin does not border on Canada. Not even through the lake. Michigan and Minnesota are between it and Canada on the lake.

I understand.

It never occurred to me, even looking at maps, that state lines would
be drawn in such a manner.

I appreciate the explanation. Sometimes being corrected is the only
way to get it right.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Honestly, hugh, I don't think anyone cares enough to prove it to you.

xyz did.

When someone doesn't want to prove me wrong his IQ is about the same
as his age.

>Like trump, I always assumed that portion ne of wisconsin on the international border that runs through superior was wisky / >canada.

I didn't assume - I looked at a map and interpreted incorrectly.

>I proved it to myself by googling "does wisconsin share border with canada on lake superior". It's a question that's been often asked and often answered.

You obviously blindly accept the opinion of others as more valuabe
than your own. That is not a failure of mine.

Wolfie happened to be right for once. Only xyz was intelligent enough
to explain why.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT), Futbol Phan
<sgz...@gmail.com> wrote:


>I've learned long ago, Hugh is never=
> wrong.

That is certainly an accurate conclusion based on any differences
between the two of us.

But a careful check of th archives would show that I have been wrong a
few times. And each time I have agreed and thanked the person for
correcting me.

There is little or no chance that person could ever be you.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:53:36 -0400, "wolfie" <bgbd...@gte.net> wrote:

>
>
>"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote
>
>> By the map there is no barrier between WI and the
>> border - unless I delete the border line across Lake
>> Superior.
>
>And the border lines of Michigan and Minnesota.
>
>> I await proof of difference.
>
>Even Google's map shows the state borders. It's
>not difficult.

Apparently it was for me. I wondered what those dashed lines were for.

>But you can always read the Wisconsin Constitution
>for proof, if you want. They lay it out there.

xyz has explained about the state lines. I missed that and I have
thanked him for setting me straight.

Hugh

[xyzzy]

for rfsckers of a certain age (which is pretty much all of us), yes.

[dotsla...@gmail.com]

Hugh, you dim bulb, the rest of us found the same explanation wolfie and x provided without needing handholding and repeatedly misinterpreting what was right in front of us.

"But I see a black bolder running through lake superior. It's right *there*, you crazy liberals!"

Dumbass.

Rather than a specific link, I offered you teh google, a portal to all human knowledge, great, small, or alternative-fact-based. After confirming the finer details of midwestern borders, you could have taught yourself how to make an A bomb. Or the perfect grilled cheese sandwich.

Don't lash out because the solution was too large to fit your pea size brain, you petulant child.

NOT HTH!

Cheers.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 08:32:04 -0700 (PDT), dotsla...@gmail.com
wrote:

>Hugh, you dim bulb, the rest of us found the same explanation wolfie and x =
>provided without needing handholding and repeatedly misinterpreting what wa=

>s right in front of us.

And I responded that Wikipedia refuted itself in another post. You low
IQ people couldn't comprehend the difference.

>Rather than a specific link, I offered you teh google, a portal to all huma=
>n knowledge, great, small, or alternative-fact-based. After confirming the=
> finer details of midwestern borders, you could have taught yourself how to=

> make an A bomb. Or the perfect grilled cheese sandwich.

You are the epitome of uselessness. I have never needed an A bomb and
my wife makes the perfect grilled cheese sandwiches for me.

>Don't lash out because the solution was too large to fit your pea size brai=
>n, you petulant child.

Childish is those of you who couldn't explain what you saw. Other than
xyz y'all were not even intelligent enough to saw off the limb I was
sitting on.

[Some dued]

I never looked at any of the links in this thread but I clearly understood after about the third post what was going on. Maybe I'm a genius.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT), Some dued
<theodo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I never looked at any of the links in this thread but I clearly understood after about the third post what was going on. Maybe I'm a genius.

Based on your poliics I conclude your "understanding" is based on
gullibility vice genius.

I did not see a map that defined the dashed lines in the water north
of WI and I made no assumption of their purpose. Apparently you
guessed right. Congratulations.

[wolfie]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote

> I did not see a map that defined the dashed lines in the water north
> of WI and I made no assumption of their purpose.

Why didn't you look at http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/14961.shtml?
Seems like an obvious choice for a water boundary. And, sure enough, the
state
and international boundaries are clearly marked - as 100% expected to anyone
who's seen/used one before.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

I rarely look at referenced URLs. I wait for responders.