It's OFFICIAL: Mack Brown Resigns as UNC Football Coach
Brian W. Smith
The following was taken from:
http://www.wral-tv.com/news/sports/North_Carolina/NC--Brown-Texas_________=TOPAP.html
Brown Resigns as North Carolina Football Coach
Chapel Hill -- North Carolina football coach Mack Brown resigned today
to become the head coach at the University of Texas.
Brown made the announcement at a news conference this afternoon.
He arrived at Kenan field house at Three P.M. He walked past reporters
without making any comment, as did UNC athletic director Dick Baddour.
Brown says the decision was difficult.
He says he's proud of what the program has accomplished in his 10
seasons. Brown says he's now stepping away to help another program get
to the point North Carolina's program is at.
Brown was offered the job by Texas officials late yesterday afternoon.
He says he told his wife Sally this morning about his decision to leave
U.N.C. Brown says he told Baddour of his decision about 2:30p.m.today.
Texas reportedly is offering Brown 625-thousand dollars a year. Brown
earns 165-thousand dollars at North Carolina, not counting radio, T.V.
and shoe contracts.
Brown will replace John Mackovic, who was fired last week after a
4-and-7 season.
<end of story>
As a devout UNC fan, it is difficult for me to wish Mack well in his new
position, given all the support that our university has given him over
his tenure and especially the past few years.
Perhaps there weren't as many bodies in the stadium as he wanted.
Perhaps those of us that were there weren't as loud as he wanted, or
didn't "come early" like he wanted. One thing is for sure: those of us
that WERE at the games and DID come early and WERE loud will have a
tough time understanding what we might have done differently to avoid
this.
Rather than speak my mind and say something that I will later regret, I
will simply acknowledge that the University of Texas gave Mack Brown an
offer he couldn't refuse. Mack recently said something about how we
will "never have big time football in this area" (i.e. NC) unless the
poll voters stand up for UNC in the alliance rankings.
I say that for good or bad, as long as UNC and other ACC schools have a
commitment to excellence in areas other than football exclusively, we
will never be able to prevent the Mack Browns and the Steve Spurriers of
our conference from leaving for schools like Florida and Texas. That
is, unless we can pay like the next level, we won't play like the next
level.
I'm not saying that UNC should have bit the bullet and unloaded $600,000
to keep him, because I believe that Baddour would have paid it if they
could while still maintaining the level of excellence enjoyed by the
rest of our athletic department. But this is a real wake-up call for
those who incorrectly believe that revenue sports are about anything
other than revenue itself.
I predict that Mack will be gone from Texas in 3 years after 2 losing
seasons and one average season (not necessarily in that order).
Brian Smith
Graduate Student
UNC Biomedical Engineering
Jim Andrews
Brian W. Smith wrote:
> As a devout UNC fan
> Perhaps there weren't as many bodies in the stadium as he wanted.
Uh oh. Somebody didn't tell him about one of our most
cherished traditions, in which Biff and Buffy get tanked,
screw through the first quarter, and show up just before
halftime to compare shoes with the other freshly-screwed
sorority chicks. He's not gonna be happy.
> I predict that Mack will be gone from Texas in 3 years after 2 losing
> seasons and one average season (not necessarily in that order).
Why? We've never done that before. (Seriously.)
jim andrews
Ralph Kennedy
"Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
> Perhaps there weren't as many bodies in the stadium as he wanted.
> didn't "come early" like he wanted.
Perhaps $625,000 > $165,000.
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Mark Allen
Brian W. Smith wrote in message <3487241C...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu>...
>The following was taken from:
>http://www.wral-tv.com/news/sports/North_Carolina/NC--Brown-Texas_________=
TOPAP.html
>
>Brown Resigns as North Carolina Football Coach
>
>Chapel Hill -- North Carolina football coach Mack Brown resigned today
>to become the head coach at the University of Texas.
>
>Brown made the announcement at a news conference this afternoon.
[snip]
>He says he's proud of what the program has accomplished in his 10
>seasons. Brown says he's now stepping away to help another program get
>to the point North Carolina's program is at.
Second-best annually in a weak conference dominated by one team that you can
never beat? I can see that...
Mathews J. Thundyil
In article <EKosq...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>,
Ralph Kennedy <ken...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> wrote:
>"Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
>> Perhaps there weren't as many bodies in the stadium as he wanted.
>> Perhaps those of us that were there weren't as loud as he wanted, or
>> didn't "come early" like he wanted.
>
> Perhaps $625,000 > $165,000.
Actually his totatl package at UNC, including endorsements comes close to
$500,000. The $750,000 that Texas is quoting is not base salary, but
includes endorseents like what MB would have gotten at UNC. The
raise is not all that much.
Matt Thundyil
-=-
Plus his wife is out of a job. Mustabin the Marquee value :)
Andre Ervin
Ralph Kennedy (ken...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu) wrote:
: "Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
: > Perhaps there weren't as many bodies in the stadium as he wanted.
: > Perhaps those of us that were there weren't as loud as he wanted, or
: > didn't "come early" like he wanted.
: Perhaps $625,000 > $165,000.
Perhaps $625,000 >>>> $165,000.
--
dre
htimS werdnA
> >"Brian W. Smith" <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> writes:
> >> Perhaps there weren't as many bodies in the stadium as he wanted.
> >> Perhaps those of us that were there weren't as loud as he wanted, or
> >> didn't "come early" like he wanted.
> >
> > Perhaps $625,000 > $165,000.
>
> $500,000. The $750,000 that Texas is quoting is not base salary, but
> includes endorseents like what MB would have gotten at UNC. The
> raise is not all that much.
Okay, I'll take this one.
Apparently, you didn't understand the meaning behind $625,000 >
$165,000.
So, I'll give you another example: $750,000 >>> $500,000
When was the last time you were offered a $250,000 raise?
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Srikant Sridevan
Mark Allen wrote:
>
> Brian W. Smith wrote in message <3487241C...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu>...
> >Brown made the announcement at a news conference this afternoon.
> [snip]
> >He says he's proud of what the program has accomplished in his 10
> >seasons. Brown says he's now stepping away to help another program get
> >to the point North Carolina's program is at.
>
> Second-best annually in a weak conference dominated by one team that you can
> never beat? I can see that...
Hey to Ohio State...
Srikant
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In article <667j49$ffc$1...@newsfep1.sprintmail.com>, "Mark Allen"
<mal...@mcfadden-sales.com> wrote:
> Brian W. Smith wrote in message <3487241C...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu>...
> >He says he's proud of what the program has accomplished in his 10
> >seasons. Brown says he's now stepping away to help another program get
> >to the point North Carolina's program is at.
>
> Second-best annually in a weak conference dominated by one team that you can
> never beat? I can see that...
Yeah, I bet the "one team that you can never beat" part
is especially clear.
Bill Burgess
In article <667slo$a...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>, ma...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
(Mathews J. Thundyil) wrote:
> In article <EKosq...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>,
> Ralph Kennedy <ken...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> wrote:
> > Perhaps $625,000 > $165,000.
>
> Actually his totatl package at UNC, including endorsements comes close to
> $500,000. The $750,000 that Texas is quoting is not base salary, but
> includes endorseents like what MB would have gotten at UNC. The
> raise is not all that much.
So $250,000 is not all that much? Oh. Okay.
gan...@infi.net
>>Chapel Hill -- North Carolina football coach Mack Brown resigned today
>>to become the head coach at the University of Texas.
>>
>[snip]
>>seasons. Brown says he's now stepping away to help another program get
>>to the point North Carolina's program is at.
>Second-best annually in a weak conference dominated by one team that you can
>never beat? I can see that...
Annually? For one year!!!! Look again, senor. Virginia was either second or
tied for first in the ACC every year since 1990, except this one. UNC-CH will
graduate the class which has been fairly successful for four years. Next year
they may be in fifth place. That's the real reason Brown is leaving. (Plus the
money).
gandalf
Mark Allen
Srikant Sridevan wrote in message <348819...@eos.ncsu.edu>...
>Mark Allen wrote:
>> Second-best annually in a weak conference dominated by one team that you
can
>> never beat? I can see that...
>
>Hey to Ohio State...
I knew that was coming...
Ohio State !=second best annually, defending conference champ.
Big Ten != weak conference, one of top two usually, according to Sagarin.
1994:tOSU BL0W5 4W4Y T#3 W0LV3RW33N!35!!!!!1!1!! != "never beat"
Mark Allen
gan...@infi.net wrote in message ...
>Annually? For one year!!!! Look again, senor. Virginia was either second
or
>tied for first in the ACC every year since 1990, except this one. UNC-CH
will
>graduate the class which has been fairly successful for four years. Next
year
>they may be in fifth place. That's the real reason Brown is leaving. (Plus
the
>money).
Very misleading--how often has Virginia beaten FSU and won the conference?
And then, senor, please tell me how often NC, the team I referred to, has
done it.
Sit down, shut up.
Biggdan
On Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:43:57 -0500, "Brian W. Smith"
<bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> wrote:
>I predict that Mack will be gone from Texas in 3 years after 2 losing
>seasons and one average season (not necessarily in that order).
>
>Brian Smith
>Graduate Student
>UNC Biomedical Engineering
bitter.sour.grapes
Hook 'Em,
Biggdan (no one likes them)
I R A Aggie
In article <34880F...@bounce.bounce>, bou...@bounce.bounce wrote:
+ So, I'll give you another example: $750,000 >>> $500,000
On the other hand, a $250,000 raise isn't going to make up for the
grief that he's going to get from the rich alumni when he doesn't win
the B12S _every_ year and doesn't win the B12 every other year.
James - if he couldn't beat F$U, what makes you think he'll beat NU?
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In <-05129711...@aggie.coaps.fsu.edu>, fl_a...@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie) writes:
>In article <34880F...@bounce.bounce>, bou...@bounce.bounce wrote:
>
>+ So, I'll give you another example: $750,000 >>> $500,000
>
>On the other hand, a $250,000 raise isn't going to make up for the
>grief that he's going to get from the rich alumni when he doesn't win
>the B12S _every_ year and doesn't win the B12 every other year.
Give me $250,000 a year and you can yell at me all you want.
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I R A Aggie
In article <669dpu$235i$5...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>,
mNOdah...@us.ibm.com (Mike Dahmus) wrote:
+ In <-05129711...@aggie.coaps.fsu.edu>, fl_a...@thepentagon.com (I
R A Aggie) writes:
+ >In article <34880F...@bounce.bounce>, bou...@bounce.bounce wrote:
+ >
+ >+ So, I'll give you another example: $750,000 >>> $500,000
+ >
+ >On the other hand, a $250,000 raise isn't going to make up for the
+ >grief that he's going to get from the rich alumni when he doesn't win
+ >the B12S _every_ year and doesn't win the B12 every other year.
+
+ Give me $250,000 a year and you can yell at me all you want.
Then fire your ass... :)
James
Mathews J. Thundyil
Brian W. Smith <bws...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu> wrote:
>position, given all the support that our university has given him over
>his tenure and especially the past few years.
>I predict that Mack will be gone from Texas in 3 years after 2 losing
>seasons and one average season (not necessarily in that order).
I think the UNC fans on this group have earned it.
Matt Thundyil
Mathews J. Thundyil
IRA Aggie wrote:
>In article <34880F...@bounce.bounce>, bou...@bounce.bounce wrote:
Texas has never had a problem beating Nebraska, when was the last time
we lost to them.
Matt Thundyil
-=-
Rented.mule
Karl Allen
In article <-05129711...@aggie.coaps.fsu.edu> fl_a...@thepentagon.com
>On the other hand, a $250,000 raise isn't going to make up for the
I'll take that grief for $150,000 a year.
I remain updating my resume,
K
Randolph M. Jones
Mathews J. Thundyil wrote:
> I think the UNC fans on this group have earned it.
They should be happy. Now they have a built-in excuse for a poor
performance in their bowl game.
I R A Aggie
In article <669qto...@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, kal...@duncan.cs.utk.edu
(Karl Allen) wrote:
+ In article <-05129711...@aggie.coaps.fsu.edu> fl_a...@thepentagon.com
+ (I R A Aggie) writes:
+ >On the other hand, a $250,000 raise isn't going to make up for the
+ >grief that he's going to get from the rich alumni when he doesn't win
+ >the B12S _every_ year and doesn't win the B12 every other year.
+
+ I'll take that grief for $150,000 a year.
Wait till the start throwing bricks thru his wife's windows...
James - errr...or was that Alabama??
gan...@infi.net
In article <669cfa$fg4$1...@newsfep1.sprintmail.com> "Mark Allen" <wal...@sprintmail.com> writes:
>From: "Mark Allen" <wal...@sprintmail.com>
>Subject: Re: It's OFFICIAL: Mack Brown Resigns as UNC Football Coach
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:09:37 -0500
>Sit down, shut up.
Virginia beat FSU in 1995. They tied for ACC champs.
UNC_CH has never beaten FSU AND either tied or won the ACC outright.
#^@^$*^$&^% idiot
gandalf
I. Punctatus
Mark Allen wrote:
>
> Brian W. Smith wrote in message <3487241C...@bme.unc.REMOVEedu>...
> >http://www.wral-tv.com/news/sports/North_Carolina/NC--Brown-Texas_________=
> TOPAP.html
> >
> >Brown Resigns as North Carolina Football Coach
> >
> >to become the head coach at the University of Texas.
> >
> >Brown made the announcement at a news conference this afternoon.
> [snip]
> >He says he's proud of what the program has accomplished in his 10
> >seasons. Brown says he's now stepping away to help another program get
> >to the point North Carolina's program is at.
>
> never beat? I can see that...
Hey to John Cooper!!
I punctatus
Ben Pope
Mark Allen (wal...@sprintmail.com) wrote:
: gan...@infi.net wrote in message ...
: >Annually? For one year!!!! Look again, senor. Virginia was either second
: or
: >tied for first in the ACC every year since 1990, except this one. UNC-CH
: will
: >graduate the class which has been fairly successful for four years. Next
: year
: >they may be in fifth place. That's the real reason Brown is leaving. (Plus
: the
: >money).
: Very misleading--how often has Virginia beaten FSU and won the conference?
: And then, senor, please tell me how often NC, the team I referred to, has
: done it.
: Sit down, shut up.
I believe the point was that until this year, Mack and his smurfs
couldnot even claim to be consistently second best. In other words, the
Wahoo was jumping up and down, hollering, "We're #2, we're #2". which
ain't all that bad, when you consider how good FSU has been.
--
-Ben
Andre Ervin
Mark Allen (wal...@sprintmail.com) wrote:
: Srikant Sridevan wrote in message <348819...@eos.ncsu.edu>...
: >Mark Allen wrote:
: >> Second-best annually in a weak conference dominated by one team that you
: can
: >> never beat? I can see that...
: >
: >Hey to Ohio State...
: I knew that was coming...
: Ohio State !=second best annually, defending conference champ.
: Big Ten != weak conference, one of top two usually, according to Sagarin.
: 1994:tOSU BL0W5 4W4Y T#3 W0LV3RW33N!35!!!!!1!1!! != "never beat"
You're button is stuk.
--
dre
Chris Grovich
In article <669off$j...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>,
>>As a devout UNC fan, it is difficult for me to wish Mack well in his
new
>>position, given all the support that our university has given him over
>>his tenure and especially the past few years.
>>[...]
>>I predict that Mack will be gone from Texas in 3 years after 2 losing
>>seasons and one average season (not necessarily in that order).
>
>
Yeah...between FSU's bitchslapping of the 'Heels, getting left out
of the Alliance, and Mackobrown leaving, it's a one-sided contest.
Of course, they only have a right to whine about Mack, but don't
tell them that.
Patrick Tong
Chris Grovich <cxg...@psu.edu> wrote in article
> Yeah...between FSU's bitchslapping of the 'Heels, getting left out
> of the Alliance, and Mackobrown leaving, it's a one-sided contest.
>
> Of course, they only have a right to whine about Mack, but don't
> tell them that.
>
> -chris. http://www.personal.psu.edu/cxg202
Yeah and after whining why PSU dropped to number 3 after the game against
MN and then losing so poorly to Michigan & Michigan State, on has to wonder
why PSU fans continues to bad-mouth the other teams. Is Michigan the
only state in the Big 10 good at football.
Mark Allen
Andre Ervin wrote in message <66ate1$o...@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>...
DOODE! MY BUTT IS NOT STUCK ON! ONE RESPONSE DOE5"NT M34N MY BUTT IS NOT
5TU[K 0N!!!!!!!
Mark Allen
gan...@infi.net wrote in message ...
<wal...@sprintmail.com> writes:
>Virginia beat FSU in 1995. They tied for ACC champs.
>UNC_CH has never beaten FSU AND either tied or won the ACC outright.
>
> #^@^$*^$&^% idiot
OK, OK, I get your point--I was giving NC too much credit by sayin
"second-best."
My point was, I guess, that they annual were an also-ran. Better?
(Guess I should follow basketball more CLOSELY...)
Mark Allen
Patrick Tong wrote
>Yeah and after whining why PSU dropped to number 3 after the game against
>MN and then losing so poorly to Michigan & Michigan State, on has to wonder
>why PSU fans continues to bad-mouth the other teams. Is Michigan the
>only state in the Big 10 good at football.
No, but Florida State is the only team in the ACC good at football...
Chris Grovich
In article <66ha95$8...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>,
"Patrick Tong" <Mun...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Chris Grovich <cxg...@psu.edu> wrote in article
>
>> Yeah...between FSU's bitchslapping of the 'Heels, getting left out
>> of the Alliance, and Mackobrown leaving, it's a one-sided contest.
>>
>> Of course, they only have a right to whine about Mack, but don't
>> tell them that.
>Yeah and after whining why PSU dropped to number 3 after the game
>against MN and then losing so poorly to Michigan & Michigan State, on
>has to wonder why PSU fans continues to bad-mouth the other teams. Is
>Michigan the only state in the Big 10 good at football.
2 things: (1) the only one whining about dropping in the polls
was J. Glapski, and we know what kind of woof-god atheist fool
he is. (2) Get some ointment for that hole in your lip.
P.J. Hartman
bur...@scri.fsu.edu (Bill Burgess) wrote:
>In article <667slo$a...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>, ma...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
>(Mathews J. Thundyil) wrote:
>
>> In article <EKosq...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>,
>> Ralph Kennedy <ken...@asuvax.eas.asu.edu> wrote:
>
>> > Perhaps $625,000 > $165,000.
>>
>> Actually his totatl package at UNC, including endorsements comes close to
>> $500,000. The $750,000 that Texas is quoting is not base salary, but
>> includes endorseents like what MB would have gotten at UNC. The
>> raise is not all that much.
>
>So $250,000 is not all that much? Oh. Okay.
It *is* a big raise in Texas, where doublewides are cheap.
--
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Metaphacts
"Patrick Tong" <Mun...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Chris Grovich <cxg...@psu.edu> wrote in article
>
>> Yeah...between FSU's bitchslapping of the 'Heels, getting left out
>> of the Alliance, and Mackobrown leaving, it's a one-sided contest.
>>
>> Of course, they only have a right to whine about Mack, but don't
>> tell them that.
>>
>> -chris. http://www.personal.psu.edu/cxg202
>
>
>Yeah and after whining why PSU dropped to number 3 after the game against
>MN and then losing so poorly to Michigan & Michigan State, on has to wonder
>why PSU fans continues to bad-mouth the other teams. Is Michigan the
>only state in the Big 10 good at football.
>
>
>
Stop campaigning.
You already won.
gan...@infi.net
I've had my coffee this morning and am less irritable ;-)
Good point, but as a Wahoo who watched the team against Duke Saturday, all I
can say is...."When does football season start?"
Michael
Thai Ton
In article <66i7us$3f4$1...@newsfep4.sprintmail.com>, wal...@sprintmail.com
says...
>
>
>Patrick Tong wrote
>>Yeah and after whining why PSU dropped to number 3 after the game against
>>MN and then losing so poorly to Michigan & Michigan State, on has to wonder
>>why PSU fans continues to bad-mouth the other teams. Is Michigan the
>>only state in the Big 10 good at football.
>
>
>
>
What do you mean by "good"? They're the #3 team in the nation. Does
that mean everyone else in the country is "bad"? Does getting above .500
dictates a "good" team? Does going to a bowl game? Does going to a alliance
bowl? Does going undefeated? What is "good"?
If UNC lost 20-17 against FSU, does that mean they're "good" because they
played FSU tough. How about 20-10? 20-7? At what point does one get
to "good"? Would beating everyone that people expect you to beat and losing
to a team that people expects you to lose to mean that you're as "good" as
people thought all along or simply "bad" because you didn't beat a team
you're suppose to lose to?
Are there any levels to "good"? Or are you "good" or "bad"? Is it relative
or is it across the board?
What the heck is "good"?
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gan...@infi.net
>>No, but Florida State is the only team in the ACC good at football...
>>
>>
>What do you mean by "good"? They're the #3 team in the nation. Does
>that mean everyone else in the country is "bad"? Does getting above .500
>dictates a "good" team? Does going to a bowl game? Does going to a alliance
>bowl? Does going undefeated? What is "good"?
The Good UVa
The Bad Carolina
The Ugly Virginia Tech
Enter Name Here
> >No, but Florida State is the only team in the ACC good at football...
> >
> >
>
> What do you mean by "good"? They're the #3 team in the nation.
Ummmm, no, they're not.
Scott
Harry
Two of the top five teams in the nation are in the ACC. 40% of the top five
teams are in the ACC. That leaves 60% for the rest of the country. That
means 2 out of 9 ACC teams are in the top five out of a possible 5 out of 5
being in the top 5.
Mark Allen
Harry wrote in message ...
Goes to show how useless the polls are--North Carolina deserves to be in the
top 5 based on record alone--they are unimpressive overall as a team.
Struggled with some notable unnotables...
North Carolina has a strong defense--but not too many opponents were capable
of testing it.
The ACC has had a fairly strong year, especially in comparison to the
conference performance over the last few years.
The ACE is still, however, a basketball conference. FSU, I maintain, is the
only strong program in the conference. North Carolina would have a losing
record if they played the other top ten teams--my estimation, maybe two
wins. Maybe.
Mark Allen
Thai Ton wrote in message <66n5eg$6...@sf18.dseg.ti.com>...
>wal...@sprintmail.com says...
>>Patrick Tong wrote
>>>Yeah and after whining why PSU dropped to number 3 after the game against
>>>MN and then losing so poorly to Michigan & Mich State, on has to wonder
>>>why PSU fans continues to bad-mouth the other teams. Is Michigan the
>>>only state in the Big 10 good at football.
>>
>>No, but Florida State is the only team in the ACC good at football...
>What do you mean by "good"? They're the #3 team in the nation. Does
>that mean everyone else in the country is "bad"? Does getting above .500
>dictates a "good" team?
It means what you want it to. Going above .500 does not necessarily equate
to being a "good" team; depending on who is played, how far above .500, etc.
> Does going to a bowl game?
No. Plenty of bad teams have gone to Bowl games. See MSU '96...
> Does going to a alliance bowl? Does going undefeated? What is "good"?
>
>If UNC lost 20-17 against FSU, does that mean they're "good" because they
>played FSU tough.
If my aunt had balls, does that mean she'd be my uncle?
>How about 20-10? 20-7? At what point does one get to "good"?
When you quit measuring them based on how closely they lost to the only
truly tough opposition on their schedule. (See "WACko Logic.")
>Would beating everyone that people expect you to beat and losing
>to a team that people expects you to lose to mean that you're as "good" as
>people thought all along or simply "bad" because you didn't beat a team
>you're suppose to lose to?
Well, if Prairie View loses only to teams that you expect them to, does that
mean they had a good year? If that's the case, the Fighting Illini had a
great year...
>Are there any levels to "good"? Or are you "good" or "bad"? Is it
relative
>or is it across the board?
>
>What the heck is "good"?
A relative term.
Considering the post I was responding to, maybe you took the hit a little to
hard, Thai...
The implication is--only FSU is the sole viable contender in the ACC. North
Carolina is respectable. But over-rated. See rec.sport.basketball.college
for discussion of ACC strength.