Deer Ritalin Inventor
Frisbee®
you're at least female.
Today was one of my son's first dose of time-released ritalin. It was the
first peaceful day I've had in eight years (since he learned to walk). It's
not that I've not been exposed to ADD or ritalin before, my step-son had ADD
and took ritalin, but I never had the benefit of seeing his behaviour while
under the influence, since we only medicated him for school.
Nobody can convince me that ADD does not exist, nor that ritalin is NOT a
Godsend. We went to K-Mart twice, ate INSIDE a Burger King, went to Game
Stop, and Publix. Not one single incident the entire day. At about 4:30
the stuff wore off. Un-freaking-believable.
When we were at the doctor's office, I mentioned, among other things, how
the noise in the classroom bothered him, and that was why he actually liked
summer school "It's quiet in there" he told me.
So that doc asks him "What could we do to give you more peace and quiet in
your life?"
My son thought about the question long and hard, and finally replied "Jojo
does that!"
"Does what?" asked the doctor.
"He means our dog pees." I replied.
John Rogers
<billLA...@yahoo.com>... A donut without a hole is a Danish.
>Please to be buffing your ass, because I wish to kiss it. Here's hoping
>you're at least female.
>
>Today was one of my son's first dose of time-released ritalin. It was the
>first peaceful day I've had in eight years (since he learned to walk). It's
>not that I've not been exposed to ADD or ritalin before, my step-son had ADD
>and took ritalin, but I never had the benefit of seeing his behaviour while
>under the influence, since we only medicated him for school.
>
>Nobody can convince me that ADD does not exist, nor that ritalin is NOT a
>Godsend.
I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
and they just don't want to deal with it.
John Rogers
AU Class of 1985
The Al Del Greco of Atlanta
The Nail Gun of Quiet Reflection
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RSFC Lay Eucharistic Minister
The Lost 7th Member of the 'Friends' Cast
"Violent ground acquisition games such as football are in fact
a crypto-fascist metaphor for nuclear war."
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>A flute without holes, is not a flute, "Frisbee®"
> <billLA...@yahoo.com>... A donut without a hole is a Danish.
>
>>Please to be buffing your ass, because I wish to kiss it. Here's hoping
>>you're at least female.
>>
>>Today was one of my son's first dose of time-released ritalin. It was the
>>first peaceful day I've had in eight years (since he learned to walk).
>>It's
>>not that I've not been exposed to ADD or ritalin before, my step-son had
>>ADD
>>and took ritalin, but I never had the benefit of seeing his behaviour
>>while
>>under the influence, since we only medicated him for school.
>>
>>Nobody can convince me that ADD does not exist, nor that ritalin is NOT a
>>Godsend.
>
> I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
> boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
>
> But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
> chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
> kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
> and they just don't want to deal with it.
I agree that it's being abused, however I do know that if a child really
needs it, it makes a huge difference in a learning environment. From what I
understand, if a child does not have ADD or ADHD, and takes ritalin, the
effect is pretty much the same as an adult that doesn't have ADD or ADHD
takes it, they become STIMULATED. A child who actually needs it calms down,
considerably. However, I can only imagine that this makes a child "not feel
like himself." I actually had a long discussion with my stepson tonight,
who is now 22 (and STILL IN THE DANG HOUSE) about how he felt about taking
ritalin all those years. He said it was a night and day difference. I
could feel calm and actually think while under the drug. And yet, later he
was telling me how he couldn't wait to get off the drug. I asked him why,
because that seemed to contradict what he was telling me earlier. He really
couldn't explain, except that he felt he didn't need it anymore. Frankly, I
think he's still ADD and just in denial, and basically ashamed to be that
way (with the ADD). I was surprised to hear him at least admit that he
didn't seem to regret taking the drug at all. From what I've seen of my son
today, I'm hopeful for some great progress in his education in the near
future now. His twin doesn't have ADD, but is also prone to meltdowns, but
I told my wife that I honestly believe that 90% of his meltdowns were a
direct result of his brother diriving him nuts (said nicely, of course).
And today seemed to confirm that. He's not on Ritalin, but with his brother
on the stuff, he was likewise calm and very managable for a change.
Anyway, in short, John I agree that it can be abused. And that's a shame.
But it's also a true Godsend (as an atheist I HATE using that word, but it
fits) to those who truly need it. Don't judge parents harshly. If it's
helping their education, then making the parents' lives easier is just a
nice side-effect.
Jay Furr
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> He really
> couldn't explain, except that he felt he didn't need it anymore.
> Frankly, I think he's still ADD and just in denial, and basically
> ashamed to be that way (with the ADD).
Tell him that my wife's 37 and still needs it. In fact, it wasn't until
she, as an adult, *started* taking Ritalin that her tendency to have what
for want of a better phrase I'll call temper tantrums dropped off.
--
IFIIRZZSKOPGKXEAVOBMJKKVOLF 233
Trent Woodruff
>Please to be buffing your ass, because I wish to kiss it. Here's hoping
>you're at least female.
>Today was one of my son's first dose of time-released ritalin.
We had a similar reaction with our son - the ritalyn did TREMENDOUS
THINGS for him school-wise, so we were well-pleased.
However, he hardly shitting grew. Seriously. The doctor said that
was fairly normal and expected, so we didn't worry.
Then once we took him off of the ritalyn (10th grade, if I remember
right), he gained almost 100 pounds within a year. I kid you not.
Again, the doctor said it was expected.
Only long-term effect that could possibly be correlated to his ritalyn
use (but would also go toward his ADHD itself) is that he seems to
have a very poor short-term memory. Though he seemed to have
corralled his ADHD by that point.
Just so you know a bit of what to expect.
...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you
understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- Stephen Roberts
Trent Woodruff
>I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
>boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
>But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
>chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
>kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
>and they just don't want to deal with it.
This is absolutely true. And don't forget the teachers.
Kokopeli
> A flute without holes, is not a flute, "Frisbee®"
> <billLA...@yahoo.com>... A donut without a hole is a Danish.
>
>> Please to be buffing your ass, because I wish to kiss it. Here's hoping
>> you're at least female.
>>
>> Today was one of my son's first dose of time-released ritalin. It was the
>> first peaceful day I've had in eight years (since he learned to walk). It's
>> not that I've not been exposed to ADD or ritalin before, my step-son had ADD
>> and took ritalin, but I never had the benefit of seeing his behaviour while
>> under the influence, since we only medicated him for school.
>>
>> Nobody can convince me that ADD does not exist, nor that ritalin is NOT a
>> Godsend.
>
> I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
> boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
>
> But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
> chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
> kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
> and they just don't want to deal with it.
As someone who has ADD, I totally agree with you. It does exist, I do
have it, and trust me, you don't want to live my nightmare. But I see a
lot of kids who really just need to run off their energy, eat a good
dinner, and go to bed early getting loaded up on ritalin.
Of course, we're too scared to let the kids run around the neighborhood
because they might get hit by a pedophile's car on its way to blow up a
radiological device.
dw
Jefferson N. Glapski
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Why?
It's no different than using goddamned, god bless or any other phrase based
off our imagination.
Dennis J
parts... Be glad I'm a Pacifist:
>>On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:54:53 -0400, John Rogers <tige...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
>>boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
>>But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
>>chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
>>kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
>>and they just don't want to deal with it.
>
>This is absolutely true. And don't forget the teachers.
I was diagnosed in 1975, took a bunch of different drugs since Ritalin
was introduced, as for your son who doesn't think he needs it anymore,
I've heard of adults self medicating using coffee or Mountain dew
or... you might want to try that.
---
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"Education is the progressive discover of our own Ignorance" Will Durant
"people who read the Tabloids deserve to be lied to" Jerry Sienfeld
"One can't have a sense of perspective without a sense of Humor"
"the Glass is not only half full, it has been delicious so far!!" -- ME
To reply, SCRAPE off the end bits.
Peach
*Exactly* the problem my nephew is having. He hasn't gained a POUND in
almost 2 years, and he's 7. You should see the crap they're trying to
push down him to make him gain weight. It's almost scarier than the
Ritalin.
FWIW, I truly believe he's one of those kids that needs it....it
started off with the fact that he didn't utter a word until 3 1/2. (I
think I've mentioned him here before.) I knew there was something
seriously wrong with him... and my sister is a pretty good mommy.
Anyway, they've been struggling with dosing for over a year now.
Peach
Steve Cutchen
<drju...@verizon.netSCRAPE.COM> wrote:
> Trent Woodruff <afre...@charter.net>, them's fightin' words in some
> parts... Be glad I'm a Pacifist:
> >>On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:54:53 -0400, John Rogers <tige...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
> >>boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
> >>But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
> >>chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
> >>kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
> >>and they just don't want to deal with it.
> >
> >This is absolutely true. And don't forget the teachers.
>
> I was diagnosed in 1975, took a bunch of different drugs since Ritalin
> was introduced, as for your son who doesn't think he needs it anymore,
> I've heard of adults self medicating using coffee or Mountain dew
> or... you might want to try that.
Nicotine has shown positive effects on neurochemical imbalances like
ADD, Tourette's, ADHD and OCD. Unfortunately, the bad side effects of
nicotine are huge. But there is a lot of current research to determine
what parts of the nicotine molecule are the good parts. This might
also go a long way to explain why cigarettes are so addictive. Their
"calming effect" may be the moderation of these other syndromes.
Frisbee®
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Interesting... I might use this argument to get my wife off my back about
quitting smoking. Shirley she doesn't want me to acquire ADD traits.
Actually, she has seen how "nutty" I get when I try to quit. To the point
of where she'd say "GO SMOKE A FREAKING CIGARETTE!"
Peter Lawrence
You should try using a nicotine patch instead.
Health-wise, the worst part of smoking cigarettes is not the nicotine
that you ingest, but the tar and other substances contained in the
cigarette.
It's the other stuff (besides the nicotine) that greatly increases your
chances for cancer and other smoking related diseases.
The nicotine mainly addicts you to smoking but it doesn't kill you.
- Peter
Frisbee®
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Tried the patches, no luck so far. Same with lozenges. However, my psych
told me she was going to prescribe something that just came out recently for
me, but I forgot what it was called. My wife suspects it's Chantrix (sp?) I
saw an ad for it on TV last night. Apparently it affects the nicotine
receptors in the brain or something like that. That could work, and I'm
willing to give it a shot. They cited something like 44% success rate after
12 weeks. However, if it does turn out to be that which the doc is planning
on scripting me, my wife's not too hot about it. She knows of someone who
tried it who apparently had some seriously bad side-effects from the stuff,
like deep depression, nightmares, suicidal tendencies, etc. None of those
are new to me, though, so bring it on.
Dysdiadochokinesia
"Steve Cutchen" <max...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> <drju...@verizon.netSCRAPE.COM> wrote:
>
>> Trent Woodruff <afre...@charter.net>, them's fightin' words in some
>> parts... Be glad I'm a Pacifist:
>> >>On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:54:53 -0400, John Rogers <tige...@yahoo.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >
>> >>I certainly believe that ADD exists. From your explanations of your
>> >>boys, I have no doubt you are doing the right thing.
>> >>But I also believe that ADD doesn't exist as much as Ritalin Nation
>> >>chooses to dose. I believe there are a lot of wonderful "high strung"
>> >>kids that are being drugged because they bother their parents too much
>> >>and they just don't want to deal with it.
>> >
>> >This is absolutely true. And don't forget the teachers.
>>
>> I was diagnosed in 1975, took a bunch of different drugs since Ritalin
>> was introduced, as for your son who doesn't think he needs it anymore,
>> I've heard of adults self medicating using coffee or Mountain dew
>> or... you might want to try that.
>
> Nicotine has shown positive effects on neurochemical imbalances like
> ADD, Tourette's, ADHD and OCD.
Nicotine elevates brain levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine, activating
a "reward circuit" in the brain (as many other drugs of addiction do). Part
of the pathogenesis of the diseases you mentioned seems to be related to
this pathway.
> Unfortunately, the bad side effects of
> nicotine are huge.
Really? I'm not so sure of that, certainly not in the doses that people
self-administer from smoking tobacco or from transdermal patches, gum, etc.
Obviously it's a poison in high doses, but it seems fairly safe in these
formulations from what I've been taught and in my limited experience in
prescribing it.
> But there is a lot of current research to determine
> what parts of the nicotine molecule are the good parts.
Nicotine is a small molecule; it can't have "good parts". You must be
thinking of something else, like coming up with agonists that are more
specific for the receptor subsets you want to stimulate or finding proper
doses.
> This might
> also go a long way to explain why cigarettes are so addictive. Their
> "calming effect" may be the moderation of these other syndromes.
The addictive properties of cigarettes are pretty well understood to be
mostly due to the dopaminergic effects of nicotine, but there are additional
addictive components in cigarette smoke as well. However, it has long been
postulated that people with neurochemical imbalances (schizophrenics in
particular) self-medicate with cigarettes for this reason (many dedicated
psychiatric hospitals have to let their patients smoke!)
Dysdiadochokinesia
No such luck; she'd do better to tell you to use the gum or the patch :)
Dysdiadochokinesia
> "Peter Lawrence" <humm...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:OObMi.1987$hI7...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
There are now 2 main approved pharmacologic interventions for smoking
cessation: buproprion (Wellbutrin/Zyban) and varenicline (Chantix).
Buproprion is an antidepressant that both increases dopamine levels and has
some nicotinic acetylcholine receptor blockade action (so, it partly blocks
nicotine's actions and partly replaces its effects on dopamine). It's also
used in ADHD, BTW.
Varenicline much more specifically replaces the nicotine by being a partial
activator of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor.
Vivid dreams, nightmares, and suicidality are well known potential side
effects of buproprion, so if I had to guess I'd have thought your friend was
actually getting that. Varenicline is pretty new and I've heard of it giving
people insomnia but not depression or suicidality- though anything's
possible.
Lots of people get help with smoking cessation through a combination of
patch, gum, drugs, and persistence. Most people don't succeed the 1st time.
Don't give up trying; it's probably the single best thing one can do for
one's health!
jimbr...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
My five year old son Matthew didnt say a word till 3 and half
either...fluid on ears. Put tubes in and now he wont shut
up....sometimes anyways.
I think Dylan nailed it. Many of these kids need to run off their
energy instead of playing video games, eat healthy and go to bed
before the tenoclock news.
Jefferson N. Glapski
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Dumnass. The consequences of nicotine can have good and parts.