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WrongWayWade

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Sep 28, 2012, 10:55:47 AM9/28/12
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When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go straight
in or back in to the spot and why?

Enquiring minds want to know.



Mr. N.A.Cho

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Sep 28, 2012, 10:57:13 AM9/28/12
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if it's a situation where everyone is leaving at once (game, concert,
etc) then you back it in so you can clearly see where you're giong as
you pull out (very difficult to back out into traffic like that).

michael anderson

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Sep 28, 2012, 11:14:49 AM9/28/12
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am exception is when it is crowded and people are trying to park....nothing is more annoying than the douche who holds everyone up with many cars behind him as he tries to back into one spot.....

meda...@gmail.com

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Sep 28, 2012, 11:24:11 AM9/28/12
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I fully expected YOU to be that douche. Interesting.
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The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Sep 28, 2012, 11:45:12 AM9/28/12
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"WrongWayWade" <rl31...@excite.com> wrote

> When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb,
> do you go straight in or back in to the spot and why?
>
> Enquiring minds want to know.

I'm often in a hurry and just pull straight in. If I expect to be in a hurry
when leaving (say a meeting will end just before I have to be somewhere
else), or if I overshoot an open spot, I'll back in.

Around RTP I've noticed it is a very racial thing. Not that others never
do it, but I'd guestimate 80% of the people who back in are black. No
idea why except they seem to spend a higher proportion of their income
on cars.

--Tedward


xyzzy

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Sep 28, 2012, 12:00:44 PM9/28/12
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On Sep 28, 10:55 am, "WrongWayWade" <rl3166...@excite.com> wrote:
Apropos of nothing, but it's Friday so I feel like telling a story.

I know someone who lived in Japan for several years. This is a
culture where conformity and harmony are cherished. Everyone parks
head in. One day she backed into a parking lot at a shopping mall.
When she returned to her car a little while later, all of the cars
that had arrived since then around here had also backed in.

the_andr...@yahoo.com

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Sep 28, 2012, 12:52:36 PM9/28/12
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On Sep 28, 10:55 am, "WrongWayWade" <rl3166...@excite.com> wrote:
F250 Crew Cab - back in.

All others - head in

Dano

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Sep 28, 2012, 1:25:29 PM9/28/12
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I'll always back in given the safe opportunity. Better able to size up what
(or WHO) is going to be behind me. Old habit from years of driving big
Econoline vans for work. But the principle serves. My driveway is a bit
tricky with huge bushes on one side. Safer to back in making it easier to
get out. But my wife and daughter simply won't. I could never understand
that. If you can back up to get out...why is it harder for some going in?
When you pull up to a space...you can see any peds nearby. Therefore it's
safer to back up then.

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Sep 28, 2012, 4:08:05 PM9/28/12
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I never back in. In crowded situations down South someone will always
let you out.

Hugh

Ashton Crusher

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Sep 28, 2012, 5:24:59 PM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:55:47 -0400, "WrongWayWade"
<rl31...@excite.com> wrote:

I always go straight in. The arguments put forth by the "back in"
people don't hold water. Mainly because by backing in you HUGELY
increase the chances that you will back into the sides or front of one
of the other cars around you or hit someone walking between cars. You
are backing INTO a confined area so that you are later able to pull
OUT INTO an open area.. that's exactly the opposite of what you would
do to minimize TOTAL risk. You should pull INTO the confined area (to
minimize the chance of hitting something) and back out TO the OPEN
area, where again, the fact that the more dangerous action (backing
up) happens with the car going OUT TO an unconfined area where there
is nothing to hit near you (unless you are blind). Certainly if you
have trouble seeing things while backing out, you are even less of a
candidate to back into a spot without hitting something.

unklbob

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Sep 28, 2012, 5:41:19 PM9/28/12
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On Sep 28, 10:55 am, "WrongWayWade" <rl3166...@excite.com> wrote:
Always pull in headfirst, perfectly straight, and perfectly in the
middle unless the spaces are small, then I keep left so I give the
driver on my right room to get into his car without dinging my door.
Unless its an unusually small lot, I back my big SUV out in one turn,
pull out without jockeying around. I always am befuddled by the
little economy cars where the driver has make a nine point turn to get
out of their spot...

Dano

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Sep 28, 2012, 6:13:32 PM9/28/12
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
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Only if you can't drive well. If you can't back into a spot....how the frak
can you back OUT?

Take a cab brother. PLEASE!

Ubiquitous

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Sep 28, 2012, 6:26:23 PM9/28/12
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Not as much as why you posted this off-topic article here.

--
"Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the iceberg a
second time."

CheeseHusker dos

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Sep 28, 2012, 6:41:27 PM9/28/12
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sideways

Antonio Veranos

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Sep 28, 2012, 6:50:23 PM9/28/12
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[Ubiquitous, web...@polaris.net]
[Fri, 28 Sep 2012 22:26:23 +0000 (UTC)]

:
: In article <k44dpj$sr8$1...@dont-email.me>, rl31...@excite.com wrote:
:
: >When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
: >parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go straight
: >in or back in to the spot and why?
: >
: >Enquiring minds want to know.
:
: Not as much as why you posted this off-topic article here.

Probably because he felt like it. Get over it.

¤~Îñ©üßu§~®

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Sep 28, 2012, 7:23:31 PM9/28/12
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Back in, never know when the boyfriend/hubby might return home

Ashton Crusher

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Sep 28, 2012, 8:40:01 PM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:13:32 -0400, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It was just explained to you. It's not a question of not being able
to back into a spot, it's a question of relative risk of each way of
doing it and minimizing the overall risk.

I could also ask, if you can't back out of a spot... how the frak can
you back IN?

BTR1701

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Sep 28, 2012, 8:42:32 PM9/28/12
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In article <q35c689gbgdfq403a...@4ax.com>,
Ashton Crusher <de...@moore.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:55:47 -0400, "WrongWayWade"
> <rl31...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
> >parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go straight
> >in or back in to the spot and why?
> >
> >Enquiring minds want to know.
> >
> >
>
> I always go straight in. The arguments put forth by the "back in"
> people don't hold water. Mainly because by backing in you HUGELY
> increase the chances that you will back into the sides or front of one
> of the other cars around you or hit someone walking between cars. You
> are backing INTO a confined area so that you are later able to pull
> OUT INTO an open area.. that's exactly the opposite of what you would
> do to minimize TOTAL risk.

Only if you're looking at it from a civilian perspective. Cops always
back into spaces because being able to leave in a hurry is always a
possibility. It's a lot easier to get in the car and accelerate out of a
spot and, say, chase someone, if you can do it without having to put it
in reverse first.

¤~Îñ©üßu§~®

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Sep 28, 2012, 10:48:35 PM9/28/12
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>>>When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
>>>parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go
>>>straight in or back in to the spot and why?

At DOW Louisiana Operations plant in the railroad division where I
work it's a policy you must back in. There is no pull in front first
parking allowed. The reason is there is massive traffic in our block
from crew trucks to tractor trailer delivering/picking up. It's better
to pull straight out vs backing up and having something strike your
vehicle from the back of a truck

Dano

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Sep 29, 2012, 3:28:34 AM9/29/12
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"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
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It was just asked of YOU in the inverse. The difference is that you can see
what is happening better when you are going forward.
Specifically...pedestrian traffic. As conditions allow, I would always back
in when given the option. It's not always a safe option. But It's simply
much safer to be able to see what is right in front of you. If you can't
understand THAT simple fact...then I must assume you're a moron and all
further discussion would be an abject waste of time.

trotsky

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Sep 29, 2012, 8:02:13 AM9/29/12
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Scintillating.

xyzzy

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Sep 29, 2012, 10:37:12 AM9/29/12
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Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.

Antonio Veranos

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Sep 29, 2012, 10:41:36 AM9/29/12
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[xyzzy, xyzzy...@gmail.com]
[Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT)]

: > Enquiring minds want to know.
:
: Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.

North Cackalacky cars aren't required to have front plates?

Dano

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Sep 29, 2012, 12:41:32 PM9/29/12
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"xyzzy" wrote in message
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==================================

Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions. So the cop would
check your plate in order to write it on the ticket. Busted!

xyzzy

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Sep 29, 2012, 12:46:53 PM9/29/12
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On Sep 29, 10:41 am, Antonio Veranos <summerstorm0...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> [xyzzy, xyzzy.d...@gmail.com]
Nope.

Antonio Veranos

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Sep 29, 2012, 12:47:22 PM9/29/12
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[Dano, janea...@yahoo.com]
[Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:41:32 -0400]

: Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.
:
: ==================================
:
: Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions. So the cop would
: check your plate in order to write it on the ticket. Busted!

States that Require Only One Plate (19)
As of September 2009, the following states require a license plate only
on the rear bumper: Michigan, Kansas, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma,
Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana,
West Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia,
Florida and Delaware.

States that Require Two Plates (38)
The following states require both rear and front license plates:
Missouri, Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, Hawaii, Nevada, Idaho,
Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska,
Texas, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Missouri, Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia,
New York, Maryland, New Jersey, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont,
Maine, Rhode Island and the District of Columbia.

Massachusetts (1)
Massachusetts is a somewhat unique case. Prior to 1987, Massachusetts
required only one license plate to be displayed. After 1987, however,
Massachusetts began issuing license red license plates with the slogan
"Spirit of America" with the intention of phasing out the single license
plates, which were green. Due to funding issues, these plates were never
phased out and remain valid today as long as they are visible from 60
feet away.



Read more: List of States Requiring Front License Plates | eHow.com
http://www.ehow.com/about_5377220_list-requiring-front-license-
plates.html#ixzz27sVJIc1E

¤~Îñ©üßu§~®

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Sep 29, 2012, 12:50:46 PM9/29/12
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Lots of states aren't. I know Florida, Georiga, Louisiana and Alabama
aren't

xyzzy

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Sep 29, 2012, 12:52:43 PM9/29/12
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Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
hide my plate from them. It's just that I think If Barney Fife wants
to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
are supposed to work.

Consider it a minor act of protest against this:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7331240/

Wolfie

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Sep 29, 2012, 12:57:04 PM9/29/12
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"Dano" wrote
"xyzzy" wrote

>> Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.

> Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions.

Cite? Because I've never heard of it. Most "straight-in"
parking isn't subject to parking tickets in my experience,
as they're on private property. Roads generally have
angled or parallel parking.


Dano

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Sep 29, 2012, 1:02:15 PM9/29/12
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"xyzzy" wrote in message
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I was referring to backing into a DIAGONAL space...which would mean your car
would face into oncoming traffic. I'd be very surprised if that were legal
anywhere.

I'm ignoring your civil liberty concerns for the purpose of this discussion.
We probably don't disagree on that. Anything that gets a cop off his or her
ass is fine with me.


Dano

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Sep 29, 2012, 1:04:44 PM9/29/12
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"Wolfie" wrote in message news:k47983$iui$1...@dont-email.me...
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I don't think a "cite" is necessary. Common sense would tell you that if
you must point the wrong way on a public road...as in the case of "angle"
parking...it would be stupid to allow.

I suppose that alone doesn't rule it out...but whatever...

¤~Îñ©üßu§~®

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 17:47:22 +0100, Antonio Veranos
<summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>[Dano, janea...@yahoo.com]
>[Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:41:32 -0400]
>
>: Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.
>:
>: ==================================
>:
>: Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions. So the cop would
>: check your plate in order to write it on the ticket. Busted!
>
>States that Require Only One Plate (19)
>As of September 2009, the following states require a license plate only
>on the rear bumper: Michigan, Kansas, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma,
>Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana,
>West Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia,
>Florida and Delaware.

Most SEC states!

Wolfie

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Sep 29, 2012, 1:11:21 PM9/29/12
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"Dano" wrote

> I don't think a "cite" is necessary. Common sense would tell you that if
> you must point the wrong way on a public road...as in the case of "angle"
> parking...it would be stupid to allow.

The original question:

"When you use a parking lot with straight parking
spots (not angled, not parallel parking)...."



BTR1701

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Sep 29, 2012, 2:08:55 PM9/29/12
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In article <k478bu$dm7$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Oh, please. People are not legally required to park their cars so that
the police can see their tags without having to maneuver themselves. The
tag is visible on a backed-in vehicle, just not from where the cop may
happen to be standing at the time. The fact that the cop has to walk 10
feet around the car to see the tag doesn't impose liability on the
vehicle's owner for not having or displaying a proper tag.

Having said that, LAPD has been putting pressure on the pay parking lots
around town to require head-in parking so that they can drive up and
down the rows with their fancy new license tag scanners, which read the
tags and instantly return any hits for wants and warrants. While
California requires a front tag, the cops have apparently been
frustrated by all the out-of-state people from states that don't and
they want everyone's car facing ass-out so they can read them all with
their gizmos.

Even so, they can't force the management of the lots to require head-in
parking, nor can they cite or tow anyone who doesn't do it.

BTR1701

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Sep 29, 2012, 2:10:13 PM9/29/12
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In article <k479ne$luv$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
A cite is necessary because we're not talking about just public roads or
angled parking.

anim8rFSK

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Sep 29, 2012, 2:13:10 PM9/29/12
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In article <MPG.2ad13677f...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
Antonio Veranos <summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> [Dano, janea...@yahoo.com]
> [Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:41:32 -0400]
>
> : Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.
> :
> : ==================================
> :
> : Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions. So the cop would
> : check your plate in order to write it on the ticket. Busted!
>
> States that Require Only One Plate (19)
> As of September 2009, the following states require a license plate only
> on the rear bumper: Michigan, Kansas, Arizona

However, the police ask us to put on a front plate as a favor to help
them do their job. Now, I'm a big supporter of law & order, but is
there any way putting on a front plate to help the cops isn't a
detriment to me?

--
"Every time a Kardashian gets a TV show, an angel dies."

BTR1701

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Sep 29, 2012, 2:14:02 PM9/29/12
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In article
<6b0ea560-dbcc-4acb...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
You do realize that if that technology becomes prevalent across the
state, and the lack of a front-tag requirement in NC is an impediment to
it because of people doing what you do, they'll just change the law and
make everyone put a front tag on their vehicles, right?

xyzzy

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On Sep 29, 2:14 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <6b0ea560-dbcc-4acb-b3b9-4b3f34c10...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
Possible but unlikely. And as long as they don't....

Dano

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"xyzzy" wrote in message
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Eh. Won't be too long before every plate issued has a GPS chip in it.
They'll just bump up the cost of registration to pay for it. You'll never
stop technology from intrusion at this point. We're a half step away from
Big Brother watching every move we make.

Wolfie

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"anim8rFSK" wrote

> is there any way putting on a front plate
> to help the cops isn't a detriment to me?

Car stolen, parked head-in at a Dunkin
Donuts.


J. Hugh Sullivan

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:04:51 -0500, ¤~Îñ©üßu§~® <sck...@lycos.com>
wrote:

>>States that Require Only One Plate (19)
>>As of September 2009, the following states require a license plate only
>>on the rear bumper: Michigan, Kansas, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma,
>>Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana,
>>West Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia,
>>Florida and Delaware.
>
>Most SEC states!

Bama grads/fans are required to have a front plate referring to the
school regardless of the state of residence - at least it appears that
way.

Hugh

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Sep 30, 2012, 11:14:39 AM9/30/12
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
>hide my plate from them. It's just that I think If Barney Fife wants
>to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
>around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
>are supposed to work.

It really tells me a lot about your character if you are afraid of
being checked by the cops.

Hugh

Antonio Veranos

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Sep 30, 2012, 11:15:16 AM9/30/12
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[J. Hugh Sullivan, Ea...@bellsouth.net]
[Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:14:39 GMT]

: It really tells me a lot about your character if you are afraid of
: being checked by the cops.

You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide, Citizen!

xyzzy

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On Sep 30, 11:14 am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
> >hide my plate from them. It's just that I think  If Barney Fife wants
> >to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
> >around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
> >are supposed to work.
>
> It really tells me a lot about your character if you are afraid of
> being checked by the cops.
>
> Hugh

Hey to missing the point.

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Sep 30, 2012, 1:36:21 PM9/30/12
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That was my point exactly. My rear plate is my Amateur Radio Operator
Call Sign that anyone can easily look up and the front plate is a very
distinctive "Bama" plate.

Hugh

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Sep 30, 2012, 1:39:20 PM9/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:43:54 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 30, 11:14=A0am, Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:52:43 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy.d...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
>> >hide my plate from them. It's just that I think =A0If Barney Fife wants
>> >to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
>> >around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
>> >are supposed to work.
>>
>> It really tells me a lot about your character if you are afraid of
>> being checked by the cops.
>>
>> Hugh
>
>Hey to missing the point.

That was your point. You just thought no one would see it. Or, more
probable, you didn't see it.

Hugh

Antonio Veranos

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[J. Hugh Sullivan, Ea...@bellsouth.net]
[Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:36:21 GMT]

: >: It really tells me a lot about your character if you are afraid of
: >: being checked by the cops.
: >
: >You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide, Citizen!
:
: That was my point exactly.

Sad.

anim8rFSK

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Sep 30, 2012, 2:41:14 PM9/30/12
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In article <50688232...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote:

Since you can get a fake plate in any design with whatever you want on
it, and since Arizona's 'real' plates aren't even embossed any more and
don't look any better than the fake plates ... I wonder what the
legalities are of having a front plate that seems to be authentic but
isn't the number associated with your car? Maybe the plate number of
somebody you don't like, heh heh heh.

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Sep 30, 2012, 3:28:56 PM9/30/12
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I was agreeing with you PTSD boy.

Hugh

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Sep 30, 2012, 3:32:53 PM9/30/12
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:41:14 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:
My front plate has to do with the University - not any state plate.

Hugh

michael anderson

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Sep 30, 2012, 3:35:03 PM9/30/12
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On Saturday, September 29, 2012 11:47:26 AM UTC-5, Antonio Veranos wrote:
>
>
> States that Require Only One Plate (19)
>
> As of September 2009, the following states require a license plate only
>
> on the rear bumper: Michigan, Kansas, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma,
>
> Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana,
>
> West Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia,
>
> Florida and Delaware.
>

huh, I didnt know any states required two plates.....I guess thats because all the states that I've lived in or lived around only require one on the back. Based on this I guess the closest state that would require two plates would be texas I guess....

yet another reason to stay in the deep south.

Antonio Veranos

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[J. Hugh Sullivan, Ea...@bellsouth.net]
[Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:28:56 GMT]

: >: >: It really tells me a lot about your character if you are afraid of
: >: >: being checked by the cops.
: >: >
: >: >You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide, Citizen!
: >:
: >: That was my point exactly.
: >
: >Sad.
:
: I was agreeing with you PTSD boy.

You were agreeing with something that I posted sarcastically, mocking
the absurd statements from some who favor a Big Brother-like government.

BTR1701

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Sep 30, 2012, 4:27:12 PM9/30/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-49E73...@news.easynews.com>,
That's a good question. In states that don't require front tags, are you
prohibited from putting a tag on there that looks real but isn't?

xyzzy

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Sep 30, 2012, 5:12:45 PM9/30/12
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On Sep 30, 4:27 pm, BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <anim8rfsk-49E73F.11411430092...@news.easynews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article <50688232.13653...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Not in NC. In fact sometimes people who move here from out of state
put their old home state tag on the front.

anim8rFSK

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Sep 30, 2012, 5:44:08 PM9/30/12
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In article <atropos-64B0F9...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
I dunno; it would be a heck of a dodge for the photo radar scam that
used to only take a pic of the back plate if the front didn't have one.

Professor Bubba

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Sep 30, 2012, 8:06:49 PM9/30/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-60D20...@news.easynews.com>,
A few decades ago Pennsylvania (which did not require front tags) had
plates with the overline "You've Got A Friend In" and of course it said
Pennsylvania under the plate number. This was the slogan in their
tourism ads at the time. Well, somebody decided it would be a great
idea to produce what amounted to counterfeit front tags, exactly like
the ones issued by the state, except that instead of a plate number it
said JESUS. Even the cops in Pennsylvania found this awkward, not to
mention cops in other states.
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Antonio Veranos

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Sep 30, 2012, 9:40:26 PM9/30/12
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[recartstv, reca...@nomain.nntpl.com]
[Mon, 01 Oct 2012 01:28:19 GMT]

: > A few decades ago Pennsylvania (which did not require front tags)
: > idea to produce what amounted to counterfeit front tags,
:
: Its a license plate, or a plate. Period.

That's pointlessly aggressive. Period.

I've heard them called tags before, myself. Period.

Period.

(Period.)

xyzzy

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On Sep 30, 9:28 pm, recartstv <recart...@nomain.nntpl.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:06:49 -0400, Professor Bubba wrote:
> > A few decades ago Pennsylvania (which did not require front tags)
> > idea to produce what amounted to counterfeit front tags,
>
> Its a license plate, or a plate. Period.
>
> A tag is a colloquialism for ticket.. as in "tag 'n tow." The vehicle has
> been ticketed or tagged so it can be towed by the property owner.
>
> Its a plate, or license plate... not a tag.

They are commonly called tags in the south, including on the NC DMV's
own website.

xyzzy

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Sep 30, 2012, 9:57:00 PM9/30/12
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In fact if you do a quick google, you see them also being called tags
on the official websites of the Florida and Oklahoma DMVs, as well as
NC. Probably other states if I bothered to spend more time looking.

Adam H. Kerman

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Sep 30, 2012, 10:42:15 PM9/30/12
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This one's called seamus everywhere on Usenet and is best ignored.

Professor Bubba

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Oct 1, 2012, 12:30:14 AM10/1/12
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In article <Tk6as.2812$w_2....@newsfe12.iad>, recartstv
<reca...@nomain.nntpl.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:06:49 -0400, Professor Bubba wrote:
>
> > A few decades ago Pennsylvania (which did not require front tags)
> > idea to produce what amounted to counterfeit front tags,
>
> Its a license plate, or a plate. Period.
>
> A tag is a colloquialism for ticket.. as in "tag 'n tow." The vehicle has
> been ticketed or tagged so it can be towed by the property owner.
>
> Its a plate, or license plate... not a tag.


You're wrong. Period.

BTR1701

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Oct 1, 2012, 1:30:02 AM10/1/12
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In article <300920122006494755%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
Florida actually has a specialty tag with a pro-life religious message.
ACLU sued and lost, since that particular tag style wasn't required, it
was the driver's choice to get one. Kind of weird to have the state
producing license plates like that, but whatever floats your boat, I
guess.

BTR1701

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Oct 1, 2012, 1:36:02 AM10/1/12
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In article <Tk6as.2812$w_2....@newsfe12.iad>,
recartstv <reca...@nomain.nntpl.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:06:49 -0400, Professor Bubba wrote:
>
> > A few decades ago Pennsylvania (which did not require front tags)
> > idea to produce what amounted to counterfeit front tags,
>
> Its a license plate, or a plate. Period.
>
> A tag is a colloquialism for ticket.. as in "tag 'n tow."

Ummm... no. Law enforcement has called them tags since they came into
existence. Any boot that says 'license plate' over the radio gets ridden
without mercy.

> The vehicle has been ticketed or tagged so it can be towed by
> the property owner.

Maybe if you're a rig driver and your entire life is spent hooking cars
out from under people's noses, but outside of that wonderful profession,
'tag' is a perfectly acceptable term.

> Its a plate, or license plate... not a tag.

As long as we're being hyper-technical about word choice, professor, the
proper word you should have used there is "It's", not "Its".

Ashton Crusher

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Oct 1, 2012, 2:02:56 AM10/1/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 21:48:35 -0500, ¤~Îñ©üßu§~® <sck...@lycos.com>
wrote:

>>>>When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
>>>>parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go
>>>>straight in or back in to the spot and why?
>
>At DOW Louisiana Operations plant in the railroad division where I
>work it's a policy you must back in. There is no pull in front first
>parking allowed. The reason is there is massive traffic in our block
>from crew trucks to tractor trailer delivering/picking up. It's better
>to pull straight out vs backing up and having something strike your
>vehicle from the back of a truck

That could be based on real evidence OR it could be nothing more then
the personal whim of some plant manager back in the 50's. Does anyone
have any EVIDENCE, not anecdotes, actually showing lower accident
rates for one way or the other.

Ashton Crusher

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 03:28:34 -0400, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
>news:bngc681g4a1e9uusa...@4ax.com...
>
>On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:13:32 -0400, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
>>news:q35c689gbgdfq403a...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 10:55:47 -0400, "WrongWayWade"
>><rl31...@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
>>>parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go
>>>straight
>>>in or back in to the spot and why?
>>>
>>>Enquiring minds want to know.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I always go straight in. The arguments put forth by the "back in"
>>people don't hold water. Mainly because by backing in you HUGELY
>>increase the chances that you will back into the sides or front of one
>>of the other cars around you or hit someone walking between cars. You
>>are backing INTO a confined area so that you are later able to pull
>>OUT INTO an open area.. that's exactly the opposite of what you would
>>do to minimize TOTAL risk. You should pull INTO the confined area (to
>>minimize the chance of hitting something) and back out TO the OPEN
>>area, where again, the fact that the more dangerous action (backing
>>up) happens with the car going OUT TO an unconfined area where there
>>is nothing to hit near you (unless you are blind). Certainly if you
>>have trouble seeing things while backing out, you are even less of a
>>candidate to back into a spot without hitting something.
>>
>>=========================================
>>
>>Only if you can't drive well. If you can't back into a spot....how the
>>frak
>>can you back OUT?
>>
>
>It was just explained to you. It's not a question of not being able
>to back into a spot, it's a question of relative risk of each way of
>doing it and minimizing the overall risk.
>
>I could also ask, if you can't back out of a spot... how the frak can
>you back IN?
>
>============================================
>
>It was just asked of YOU in the inverse. The difference is that you can see
>what is happening better when you are going forward.
>Specifically...pedestrian traffic. As conditions allow, I would always back
>in when given the option. It's not always a safe option. But It's simply
>much safer to be able to see what is right in front of you. If you can't
>understand THAT simple fact...then I must assume you're a moron and all
>further discussion would be an abject waste of time.


I'll make the same assumption about you.

Ashton Crusher

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT), xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 28, 10:55 am, "WrongWayWade" <rl3166...@excite.com> wrote:
>> When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
>> parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go straight
>> in or back in to the spot and why?
>>
>> Enquiring minds want to know.
>
>Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.


That's the first logical reason I've heard.

Ashton Crusher

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 11:50:46 -0500, ¤~Îñ©üßu§~® <sck...@lycos.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 15:41:36 +0100, Antonio Veranos
><summers...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>[xyzzy, xyzzy...@gmail.com]
>>[Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:37:12 -0700 (PDT)]
>>
>>: > Enquiring minds want to know.
>>:
>>: Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.
>>
>>North Cackalacky cars aren't required to have front plates?
>
>Lots of states aren't. I know Florida, Georiga, Louisiana and Alabama
>aren't


None required in AZ either. And when we dropped it the police, as
expected, predicted all sorts of horrible things would happen, none of
which ever did.

anim8rFSK

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Oct 1, 2012, 2:26:56 AM10/1/12
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In article <atropos-BAB5DD...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
We have an amazing number of plate designs
https://servicearizona.com/webapp/vehicle/plates/startChoice.do
many of which I suspect somebody somewhere could find fault with. I
mean, the Masons? Why not the Illuminati?

Alternative Fuel
Arizona Agriculture
Arizona Cardinals
Arizona Centennial
Arizona Diamondbacks
Arizona Highways
Arizona Sportsmen for Wildlife Conservation
Boy Scouts of Arizona
Channel 8 PBS
Character Education
Child Abuse Prevention
Childhood Cancer Research
Collegiate - Arizona State University
Collegiate - Northern Arizona University
Collegiate - University of Arizona
Environmental
Families of Fallen Police Officers
Gold Star Family
Golden Rule
Hunger Relief
In God We Trust
Masonic Fraternity
Military Support/Freedom
Military Support/Freedom Motorcycle
Motorcycle
Navajo Nation
Pet Friendly/Spay and Neuter
Phoenix Suns
Pink Ribbon/Cancer Awareness
San Carlos Apache Tribe
Standard
Thunderbird School of Global Management
Transplantation Awareness (Organ Donor)
Trailer (full size 6x12)
Trailer (small size 4x7)
White Mountain Apache Tribe
Amateur Radio
Purple Heart
Purple Heart Medal Motorcycle
Street Rod
Veteran
Veteran Motorcycle

I have no idea why certain schools and not others, certain tribes and
not others, why the Boy Scouts and not the Girls ... were there really
so many Purple Heart recipients demanding a separate motorcycle plate
that they had to install it? How come 'Veterans' and 'Women Veterans' -
can't 'Man Veterans' get one to exclude the other gender? And I'd say
"In God We Trust" probably qualifies as a religious message.

BTR1701

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Oct 1, 2012, 4:03:02 AM10/1/12
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In article <anim8rfsk-25010...@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

> In article <atropos-BAB5DD...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> BTR1701 <atr...@mac.com> wrote:

> > Florida actually has a specialty tag with a pro-life religious message.
> > ACLU sued and lost, since that particular tag style wasn't required, it
> > was the driver's choice to get one. Kind of weird to have the state
> > producing license plates like that, but whatever floats your boat, I
> > guess.
>
> We have an amazing number of plate designs
> https://servicearizona.com/webapp/vehicle/plates/startChoice.do
> many of which I suspect somebody somewhere could find fault with. I
> mean, the Masons? Why not the Illuminati?

> I have no idea why certain schools and not others,

At least yours are all Arizona schools. Virginia will give you a VA tag
with a Texas Longhorns or UCLA Bruins motif. They have one for pretty
much every major university in the nation.

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Oct 1, 2012, 10:25:17 AM10/1/12
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I did not "see" the mocking. Please continue "mocking
the absurd statements from some who favor a Big Brother-like
government".

Hugh

xyzzy

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On Oct 1, 2:26 am, anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
> In article <atropos-BAB5DD.22300230092...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <300920122006494755%bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid>,
> >  Professor Bubba <bu...@nowhere.edu.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > In article <anim8rfsk-60D200.14440830092...@news.easynews.com>,
> > > anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <atropos-64B0F9.13271230092...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
> > > >  BTR1701 <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <anim8rfsk-49E73F.11411430092...@news.easynews.com>,
> > > > >  anim8rFSK <anim8r...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <50688232.13653...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> We have an amazing number of plate designshttps://servicearizona.com/webapp/vehicle/plates/startChoice.do
> many of which I suspect somebody somewhere could find fault with.  I
> mean, the Masons?  Why not the Illuminati?

Because, duh, the Masons are a front for the Illuminati.

You're looking pretty dumn rite now. '

J. Hugh Sullivan

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Oct 1, 2012, 10:32:20 AM10/1/12
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 01:28:19 GMT, recartstv
<reca...@nomain.nntpl.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:06:49 -0400, Professor Bubba wrote:
>
>> A few decades ago Pennsylvania (which did not require front tags)
>> idea to produce what amounted to counterfeit front tags,
>
>Its a license plate, or a plate. Period.
>
>A tag is a colloquialism for ticket.. as in "tag 'n tow." The vehicle has
>been ticketed or tagged so it can be towed by the property owner.
>
>Its a plate, or license plate... not a tag.

I eat from a plate or score by stepping on one and my mother had both
upper and lower - the state requires me to "tag" my vehicles.

Hugh

J. Hugh Sullivan

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On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:26:56 -0700, anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net>
wrote:

>We have an amazing number of plate designs
>https://servicearizona.com/webapp/vehicle/plates/startChoice.do
>many of which I suspect somebody somewhere could find fault with. I
>mean, the Masons? Why not the Illuminati?

If I lived where you live I would need 5 vehicles to display the ones
I wanted to.

Hugh

The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Oct 1, 2012, 11:13:31 AM10/1/12
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"xyzzy" <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote

> When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
> parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go straight
> in or back in to the spot and why?
>
> Enquiring minds want to know.
<
<Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.

Makes it too easy for them to see me pouring my drink.

--Tedward


The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Oct 1, 2012, 11:17:57 AM10/1/12
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"xyzzy" <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote

> > When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
> > parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go
> > straight
> > in or back in to the spot and why?
>
> > Enquiring minds want to know.
>
> Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.
>
> ==================================
>
> Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions. So the cop would
> check your plate in order to write it on the ticket. Busted!

Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
hide my plate from them. It's just that I think If Barney Fife wants
to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
are supposed to work.

Consider it a minor act of protest against this:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7331240/

-----

Hmmm...maybe some damn libertarian will reverse engineer the thing
so you can buy a broadcast device that ruins those $20,000 devices.

--Tedward


The Undead Edward M. Kennedy

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Oct 1, 2012, 11:21:13 AM10/1/12
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"BTR1701" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message news:atropos-5549DE...@news-europe.giganews.com...
> In article
> <6b0ea560-dbcc-4acb...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 29, 12:41 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "xyzzy" wrote in message
>> >
>> > news:08c980f5-e602-4fe3...@r7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > On Sep 28, 10:55 am, "WrongWayWade" <rl3166...@excite.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > When you use a parking lot with straight parking spots (not angled, not
>> > > parallel parking) and all the spots go up against a curb, do you go
>> > > straight
>> > > in or back in to the spot and why?
>> >
>> > > Enquiring minds want to know.
>> >
>> > Back in so cops driving by can't see my license plate.
>> >
>> > ==================================
>> >
>> > Problem is...that's a violation in most jurisdictions. So the cop would
>> > check your plate in order to write it on the ticket. Busted!
>>
>> Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
>> hide my plate from them. It's just that I think If Barney Fife wants
>> to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
>> around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
>> are supposed to work.
>>
>> Consider it a minor act of protest against this:
>> http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7331240/
>
> You do realize that if that technology becomes prevalent across the
> state, and the lack of a front-tag requirement in NC is an impediment to
> it because of people doing what you do, they'll just change the law and
> make everyone put a front tag on their vehicles, right?

The fact that the state may pass some stupid ass law is no reason
to do something stupid.

--Tedward


anim8rFSK

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Oct 1, 2012, 12:13:29 PM10/1/12
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In article <atropos-E12787...@news-europe.giganews.com>,
LOL!

Also, there are subtle variations in the 'standard' plate shown at the
URL. Mine has a saguaro cactus on the left, helping to make the non
longer embossed writing harder to read. But a friend was parked next to
me and we noticed that, while he has the cactus, it's not in the same
place! They apparently moved them slightly to the left when the plate
number is longer. Very very strange.

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 1, 2012, 2:11:11 PM10/1/12
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anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:

>We have an amazing number of plate designs
>https://servicearizona.com/webapp/vehicle/plates/startChoice.do
>many of which I suspect somebody somewhere could find fault with. I
>mean, the Masons? Why not the Illuminati?

>Child Abuse Prevention

Cool! Adults who kidnap strangers' children must register their cars!

>I have no idea why certain schools and not others, certain tribes and
>not others, why the Boy Scouts and not the Girls ... were there really
>so many Purple Heart recipients demanding a separate motorcycle plate
>that they had to install it? How come 'Veterans' and 'Women Veterans' -
>can't 'Man Veterans' get one to exclude the other gender? And I'd say
>"In God We Trust" probably qualifies as a religious message.

Some of the plates are undoubtably sponsored fundraising programs. My
state has those, so Girl Scouts didn't register.

I'd like to see ghod's application for sponsorship and why he's
soliciting cash.

Adam H. Kerman

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Oct 1, 2012, 2:16:14 PM10/1/12
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xyzzy <xyzzy...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Backing into a parking place is not a violation. And I'm not trying to
>hide my plate from them. It's just that I think If Barney Fife wants
>to check plates on parked cars, he can get out of his cruiser and walk
>around the car and write down the number in his notebook. The way cops
>are supposed to work.

>Consider it a minor act of protest against this:
>http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7331240/

Suppose there's a serious felony committed. The criminal can have his lawyer
file FOIA for tags it picked up to identify the home addresses of potential
witnesses and kill them.

anim8rFSK

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Oct 1, 2012, 4:48:21 PM10/1/12
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In article <k4cmbv$k30$3...@news.albasani.net>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:

> anim8rFSK <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >We have an amazing number of plate designs
> >https://servicearizona.com/webapp/vehicle/plates/startChoice.do
> >many of which I suspect somebody somewhere could find fault with. I
> >mean, the Masons? Why not the Illuminati?
>
> >Child Abuse Prevention
>
> Cool! Adults who kidnap strangers' children must register their cars!
>
> >I have no idea why certain schools and not others, certain tribes and
> >not others, why the Boy Scouts and not the Girls ... were there really
> >so many Purple Heart recipients demanding a separate motorcycle plate
> >that they had to install it? How come 'Veterans' and 'Women Veterans' -
> >can't 'Man Veterans' get one to exclude the other gender? And I'd say
> >"In God We Trust" probably qualifies as a religious message.
>
> Some of the plates are undoubtably sponsored fundraising programs. My

You'd hope, but it would be nice if it SAID that.

> state has those, so Girl Scouts didn't register.
>
> I'd like to see ghod's application for sponsorship and why he's
> soliciting cash.

Ah, here we go. Specialty plate information. Almost every plate is
available to everyone; you don't have to be a veteran or member of that
tribe or whatever. The Energy Efficient plate was ONLY for the Honda
Civic Hybrid, Honda Insight and Toyota Prius, and was a limited number,
because you wouldn't want to encourage anybody but the early adopters.

Note we have an anti abortion plate too - somewhere the makers of
Defiling Gravity are spinning.

Huge data dump in 3, 2, 1:

Speciality Plate Information

Arizona Agriculture ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
Arizona FFA which provides premier leadership, personal growth and
career success opportunities for students enrolled in Agriculture
Education programs in Arizona.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Arizona Cardinals ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes Cardinals
Charities which supports programs designed to improve the lives of
children, women and minorities within the state of Arizona.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Arizona Centennial- Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Centennial projects, events, and museum.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Arizona Diamondbacks ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee is a
donation to the Arizona Professional Baseball Club Special Plate fund
for programs relating to youth education and development, housing for
the homeless or low income persons and health care for the indigent.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Arizona Highways ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Arizona Highways Magazine Fund established under ARS 28-7315.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Arizona Sportsmen for Wildlife Conservation ­ Available to everyone. $17
of the fee goes to funding wildlife habitat projects, outdoor
recreational and educational opportunities.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Arizona State University - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the university for academic scholarships.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Boy Scouts of Arizona - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the Grand Canyon Council of BSA.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Channel 8 PBS - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Channel 8 PBS foundation for public broadcast television.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Character Education - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Department of Education for the teaching of character traits.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Child Abuse Prevention - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the Prevention of Child Abuse Fund.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Childhood Cancer Research- Available to everyone. $17 goes to the
childhood cancer and rare childhood disease research fund.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Choose Life: - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the Arizona
Life Coalition.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

****okay, there we go, back on topic; we have an anti-abortion plate TOO

Energy Efficient ­ Pilot program that is available only to qualifying
vehicles.
Initial Application Fee $8.00 / Annual Renewal Fee $0.00
The Energy Efficient license plate is no longer available.

Environmental - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Arizona Land Department for environmental education programs.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Families of Fallen Police Officers ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the
fee goes to an incorporated nonprofit corporation in this state that is
qualified under section 501(c)(3) of the United States internal revenue
code and demonstrates a commitment to helping in the healing of family
survivors of police officers who died in the line of duty in this state.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Gold Star Family ­ Available to immediate family member of a person who
lost his/her life while on active duty in the United States Military.
Immediate family member is defined as spouse or a parent, child, brother
or sister whether by adoption or blood. $17 of the fee goes for
construction and maintenance of the Enduring Freedom Memorial.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Golden Rule ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to a special
fund for promoting the Golden Rule in schools and communities in this
state .
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Historic Vehicle / Motorcycle - Vehicle model year must be 25 years or
older.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $10

Hunger Relief ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Association of Arizona Food Banks.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

In God We Trust ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to promote
the national motto ³In God We Trust², 1st amendment rights and the
heritage of this state and nation.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Masonic Fraternity ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
charities supported by Arizona Masons.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Military Support/Freedom ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee is a
donation to the Veteran¹s donation fund to benefit veterans within
Arizona.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Military Support/Freedom Motorcycle ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the
fee is a donation to the Veteran¹s donation fund to benefit veterans
within Arizona.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Navajo Nation - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the Navajo
Nation Department of Highway Safety for traffic control devices.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal $25

Northern Arizona University - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes
to the university for academic scholarships.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Pet Friendly/Spay and Neuter - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee
goes to a special fund for spaying and neutering of animals.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Phoenix Suns ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to a private
Arizona Professional Basketball Club Organization¹s Foundation qualified
as a 501 © (3) for federal income tax purposes.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Pink Ribbon/Cancer Awareness - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee is
a donation to a special fund for breast and cervical cancer screening
and diagnostic awareness and outreach services in Arizona.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

San Carlos Apache Tribe ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the San Carlos Apache tribe transportation board for traffic control
devices on the Arizona San Carlos Apache reservation.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Thunderbird School of Global Management - Available to everyone. $17 of
the fee goes to school¹s operations and activities.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Transplantation Awareness (Organ Donor) - Available to everyone. $17 of
the fee goes to a special fund for organ transplantation awareness
programs.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

University of Arizona - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the university for academic scholarships.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

University of Phoenix: - Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the University of Phoenix Alumni Association.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

White Mountain Apache ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to
the White Mountain Apache Tribe Transportation Board who shall use these
monies for traffic control devices on highways on the Fort Apache Indian
Reservation.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25

Women Veterans ­ Available to everyone. $17 of the fee goes to the
Veterans¹ Donation Fund established by A.R.S. § 41-608.
Initial Application Fee $25 / Annual Renewal Fee $25
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